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Wed Jan 29, 2020, 08:04 AM

The Clean Water Act was a staggering bipartisan achievement. Now Trump is gutting it

theguardian.com

This is the single largest loss of clean water protections that America has ever seen – and the timing couldn’t be worse. It may be hard to remember these days, but the nation that led the world on to the stage of modern environmental protection was the United States.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jan/29/clean-water-act-bipartisan-trump

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Reply The Clean Water Act was a staggering bipartisan achievement. Now Trump is gutting it (Original post)
lordsummerisle Jan 29 OP
PJMcK Jan 29 #1
Kaiserguy Jan 29 #3
Botany Jan 29 #2
2naSalit Jan 29 #4
Botany Jan 29 #5
2naSalit Jan 29 #7
Botany Jan 29 #8
Saviolo Jan 29 #16
MH1 Jan 29 #10
LastLiberal in PalmSprings Jan 29 #6
MH1 Jan 29 #9
RicROC Jan 29 #11
CrispyQ Jan 29 #17
CaptYossarian Jan 29 #22
CrispyQ Jan 29 #27
Lonestarblue Jan 29 #12
CrispyQ Jan 29 #20
NoMoreRepugs Jan 29 #13
CaptYossarian Jan 29 #23
c-rational Jan 29 #14
CaptYossarian Jan 29 #24
Ferrets are Cool Jan 29 #15
iluvtennis Jan 29 #18
Delmette2.0 Jan 29 #19
jalan48 Jan 29 #21
CaptYossarian Jan 29 #25
jalan48 Jan 29 #26
CaptYossarian Jan 29 #28

Response to lordsummerisle (Original post)

Wed Jan 29, 2020, 08:05 AM

1. Everything Trump Touches Dies

Everything.

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Response to PJMcK (Reply #1)

Wed Jan 29, 2020, 08:18 AM

3. Sadly that will also include

us with his gutting of the Clean Water Act

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Response to lordsummerisle (Original post)

Wed Jan 29, 2020, 08:12 AM

2. Trump is working on the destruction of America from the inside.

n/t

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Response to Botany (Reply #2)

Wed Jan 29, 2020, 08:34 AM

4. Yup.

Many of us knew this would be our fate back in Nov of 2016.

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Response to 2naSalit (Reply #4)

Wed Jan 29, 2020, 08:40 AM

5. He is paying back Putin by trying to crash America.

Nancy P. had it right when she said all roads lead to Putin.

Where Bolton Is Headed — Putin

https://medium.com/@Simon_Rosenberg/where-bolton-is-headed-putin-71e09cff2e0c

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Response to Botany (Reply #5)

Wed Jan 29, 2020, 08:42 AM

7. +1

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Response to 2naSalit (Reply #7)

Wed Jan 29, 2020, 08:45 AM

8. Funny I can't get the link to work .... a must read ... I'll pmail it to you

https://medium.com/@Simon_Rosenberg/where-bolton-is-headed-putin-71e09cff2e0c

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Response to Botany (Reply #8)

Wed Jan 29, 2020, 10:21 AM

16. It's the @ that breaks it.

DU's link parser can't deal with some characters if you just pop the link in. Oddly enough, if you use the link button, you can make it work like this.

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Response to 2naSalit (Reply #4)

Wed Jan 29, 2020, 09:17 AM

10. Yup. But we're "snowflakes".

Grr.

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Response to lordsummerisle (Original post)

Wed Jan 29, 2020, 08:40 AM

6. Randy Newman wrote "Burn On" about Cleveland's Cuyahoga River

where the water pollution got so bad the river caught fire.



I guess it's time to dig out my copy of his album, "Sail Away," which is so old it's vinyl. Now if only I can find my record player...

I'll put it on my bookshelf next to Rick Wilson's book, Everything Trump Touches Dies.

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Response to lordsummerisle (Original post)

Wed Jan 29, 2020, 09:17 AM

9. But.Her.Emails. :(

Yeah, electing Hillary in 2016 would have been just awful ...





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Response to lordsummerisle (Original post)

Wed Jan 29, 2020, 09:22 AM

11. i just don't understand this form of Executive orders

I just don't understand how one person, in this case the person posing as the President, can gut legislation voted on by both sides of Congress and signed by a previous President.

While I understand how previous executive orders may be altered, but what about sealed and signed laws.

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Response to RicROC (Reply #11)

Wed Jan 29, 2020, 11:12 AM

22. Not just any president--Nixon was a Republican.

He also signed the Clean Air Act and established the EPA.

One of his Supreme Court appointees, Harry Blackmun, was the tiebreaking vote FOR Roe v. Wade.

(I love telling neocons that info. Really makes their unused heads spin.)

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Response to RicROC (Reply #11)

Wed Jan 29, 2020, 11:29 AM

27. They redefined what water is protected. Dishonest and disingenuous as hell.

The law’s main mechanism is simple: before discharging waste into the nation’s waters, polluters must first try to clean it up.

So how did the former lobbyists running the agencies sabotage the act? By radically shrinking it. By its terms, the act only protects waters “of the United States”. But according to this administration, waters “of” the United States does not mean waters in the United States. In their view, the Clean Water Act only applies to a subset of waters, and the rest are unprotected.

The scope of the contraction is staggering. In some states out west, 80% of stream miles would lose their protection. Drinking water sources for millions of Americans would be at risk from pollution. The administration’s redefinition would leave millions of acres open for destruction – wetlands that buffer communities from storms, serve as homes for wildlife and nurseries for fish and shellfish, and act as natural water filters.

This is the single largest loss of clean water protections that America has ever seen. And the timing couldn’t be worse. From lead contamination in drinking water to the proliferating threat of toxic industrial chemicals, new threats to water quality are emerging daily.


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Response to lordsummerisle (Original post)

Wed Jan 29, 2020, 09:30 AM

12. Much of what Trump does makes me think of the movie Elysium.

It’s a few years old, but set in a dystopian future where the wealthy have trashed the Earth and built their own paradise in a space station above the earth. Here’s a description from a movie review site.

“The film is set in 2154, when the planet has been ravaged by disease, pollution, and overpopulation. The wealthiest now live on a space station called Elysium, which can be seen in the clouds from Earth below. Max (Matt Damon) has grown up watching Elysium from his rundown, largely Latino L.A. neighborhood. A reformed car thief now working in a grueling factory job—he's lucky to have it, he's sneeringly informed—Max is trying to keep things together in a society openly rigged against the poor.

On this space "habitat," we follow the defense secretary (Jodie Foster), who offers a vigorous defense of her right to use unlimited force to benefit the liberty of a few. In a not-so-subtle commentary on the immigration debate, she shoots down refugees who try to land.”

This feels like the Trump policy toward everything: destroy anyone who gets in his way (the media and anyone who goes against him), transfer wealth to the already wealthy, ensure health care only for the wealthy, rape our lands for the sake of corporate profits, and maintain total control over all decisions affecting the people not on Elysium. The difference I see from the movie is that with no change in how we do things, this situation will appear long before 2154, maybe a hundred years before.

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Response to Lonestarblue (Reply #12)

Wed Jan 29, 2020, 10:35 AM

20. You are not wrong.

21st Century Feudalism is their plan. Antarctica will be their Elysium. And perhaps some far northern areas, as well. The rest of us can battle for the scant resources left in the scorched out/drowned out regions. The trajectory isn't looking good for most of humanity.

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Response to lordsummerisle (Original post)

Wed Jan 29, 2020, 09:55 AM

13. Putin hates America, it's getting more obvious with every

action taken by the Rump.

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Response to NoMoreRepugs (Reply #13)

Wed Jan 29, 2020, 11:16 AM

23. Maybe he wants to be slumlord for an entire nation.

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Response to lordsummerisle (Original post)

Wed Jan 29, 2020, 10:00 AM

14. Sadness, my freshman year in college I did a paper on PL 92-500, the Clean Water Act. To allow

the destrucion of your enviornment is to allow the destrution of yourself.

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Response to c-rational (Reply #14)

Wed Jan 29, 2020, 11:17 AM

24. Nah. The 1% will always have Perrier.

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Response to lordsummerisle (Original post)

Wed Jan 29, 2020, 10:06 AM

15. There should be ads targeting sportsmen/women everywhere

it is an issue they are passionate about regardless of partisanship.

edited to add: and use this after describing WHO is gutting the Clean Water Act:

On Earth Day, 1971, nonprofit organization Keep America Beautiful launched what the Ad Council would later call one of the “50 greatest commercials of all time.” Dubbed “The Crying Indian,” the one-minute PSA features a Native American man paddling down a junk-infested river, surrounded by smog, pollution, and trash; as he hauls his canoe onto the plastic-infested shore, a bag of rubbish is tossed from a car window, exploding at his feet. The camera then pans to the Indian’s cheerless face just as a single tear rolls down his cheek.

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Response to lordsummerisle (Original post)

Wed Jan 29, 2020, 10:25 AM

18. So shameful to gut the Clean Water Act that has been in force since the 1970s. GAH. nt

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Response to lordsummerisle (Original post)

Wed Jan 29, 2020, 10:33 AM

19. Will Republicans ever wake up?

They just can't see that -45 does not care about them. He knows he can throw $10,000 at their campaign fund, promise more $$ and then piss all over their state. That includes every state down wind or down stream if -45 can make money off the deal.

It's called a deal because it is a backroom agreement, not an open discussion in Congress with public comments and expert testimony.



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Response to lordsummerisle (Original post)

Wed Jan 29, 2020, 10:46 AM

21. I see Putin's name associated with this but who are the special interests here in the US that stand

to benefit financially from these rules changes? My guess is they are the ones really responsible.

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Response to jalan48 (Reply #21)

Wed Jan 29, 2020, 11:24 AM

25. The chemical and plastics manufacturers like Dow and Monsanto.

Don't forget, Senator Ron Johnson (R-eally stupid) owns a plastics factory in Oshkosh. He purchased it with his wife's family's wealth.

And then we have the fossil fuel fools with their off-shore drilling and leaky pipelines. They need some lovin' too.

Maybe WE need our life back--not just that BP douche.

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Response to CaptYossarian (Reply #25)

Wed Jan 29, 2020, 11:29 AM

26. Thanks for this info. I think the knee jerk, "Putin's behind it all" answer is a mistake. It gives

our own corporations and oligarchs cover for Presidential/Congressional actions they are responsible for.

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Response to jalan48 (Reply #26)

Wed Jan 29, 2020, 11:35 AM

28. When it comes to our fossil fools, I sometimes use OILgarchs.

They're just as slimy as oligarchs.

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