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Tue Nov 19, 2019, 02:28 PM

Vindman's dress uniform reveals a tug of war using troops as political totems, experts say

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Vindman’s dress uniform reveals a tug of war using troops as political totems, experts say

By Alex Horton
General assignment reporter covering national and breaking news
November 19, 2019 at 1:32 p.m. EST

In his opening remarks at the impeachment hearing Tuesday, Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman casually mentioned the other part of Washington’s intense focus.

“The uniform I wear today is of the U.S. Army,” said Vindman, the top Ukraine expert on the National Security Council who raised alarms over whether President Trump asked Ukraine for political help in exchange for military aid.

But Vindman and his dress uniform, adorned with a Purple Heart, Ranger Tab and Combat Infantry Badge, have become proxy symbols, either bolstering claims of Democrats or used as evidence by Republicans that Vindman is using his service as a shield from criticism.

And while active-duty service members routinely wear their full dress uniforms to testify on Capitol Hill, security experts say the scrutiny of Vindman’s uniform has become another data point in the politicization of the space between civil society and the military.
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President Trump mentioned Vindman in a Cabinet meeting during the hearing in an apparent swipe at his dress selection. “I never saw the man, I understand now he wears his uniform when he goes in,” Trump said.
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Alex Horton is a general assignment reporter for The Washington Post. He previously covered the military and national security for Stars and Stripes, and served in Iraq as an Army infantryman. Follow https://twitter.com/AlexHortonTX

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mahatmakanejeeves Nov 19 OP
MyOwnPeace Nov 19 #1
Marengo Nov 19 #4
Dave in VA Nov 19 #2
mahatmakanejeeves Nov 19 #3
Dave in VA Nov 19 #5
TEB Nov 19 #6
MyOwnPeace Nov 19 #7
Dan Nov 19 #8
3Hotdogs Nov 20 #9
mahatmakanejeeves Nov 20 #10
malthaussen Nov 20 #11
Moe Joe MoFo Nov 21 #12
LizaB Nov 23 #13
BumRushDaShow Nov 23 #14

Response to mahatmakanejeeves (Original post)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 02:33 PM

1. Again, take a look

at a "Republican" hero - in Congress:

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Response to MyOwnPeace (Reply #1)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 03:05 PM

4. In one manner more so than Vindman. North has a Silver Star and a BSV.

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Response to mahatmakanejeeves (Original post)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 02:55 PM

2. He did not wear an army dress uniform

He is wearing his army service uniform.

Take a look at the difference:

http://www.uniforms-4u.com/c-army-uniforms-1076.aspx

Hope this helps everyone understand the terms better...



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Response to Dave in VA (Reply #2)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 03:02 PM

3. Thanks. It's been a while since I had to worry what the uniform of the day was.

Not that I had much choice in the matter.

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Response to mahatmakanejeeves (Reply #3)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 03:10 PM

5. No Problem

My dad was WWII navy and my father-in-law was an Honor Guard in the Army. Tomb of the Unknowns, etc.

Learned a great deal from both of them.



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Response to mahatmakanejeeves (Original post)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 03:17 PM

6. When you wear your dress uniform formal is what I meant

You have to show all awards or badges

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Response to mahatmakanejeeves (Original post)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 03:33 PM

7. I'm not really caring WHICH uniform is being worn..........

the criticism directed at Lt. Colonel Vindman was that he "was" in uniform, as if to show that he's "military" and deserving of some special attention.
If they can say that about him, then the same should go to Ollie:

"In 1988 North was indicted for conspiracy to defraud the government and resigned from the Marine Corps. At his 1989 trial, he was found guilty of obstructing the U.S. Congress, destroying documents, and accepting an illegal gratuity and was sentenced to two years’ probation. In 1991, after a prosecution witness claimed that his testimony had been tainted, all charges against North were dropped."

Let's hope that Lt. Colonel Vindman has a more worthy record to justify his "uniform."

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Response to mahatmakanejeeves (Original post)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 09:10 PM

8. Oliver North.

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Response to Dan (Reply #8)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 07:25 AM

9. That ain't Oliver North. That's Popeye.

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Response to mahatmakanejeeves (Original post)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 11:05 AM

10. Lt. Col. Vindman's uniform spoke loud. His humanity spoke louder.

Fashion • Perspective
Lt. Col. Vindman’s uniform spoke loud. His humanity spoke louder.

By Robin Givhan
Fashion critic
November 19, 2019 at 6:23 p.m. EST

The uniform did what uniforms are designed to do.

When Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman appeared before the House Intelligence Committee, his striking presence in his serviceable eyeglasses and his military uniform exuded authority, ferocity and patriotism. As one of the Democratic committee members noted admiringly, Vindman was wearing a Purple Heart on his uniform. He also had a Combat Infantry Badge pinned on the left side of his chest, indicating he’d been involved in active ground combat. For civilian viewers, it was helpful to understand the meanings of some of the insignia on his jacket. But even without the details, anyone looking at the vast collage of medals spread across his chest could understand the story they told: that Vindman is one of the many dedicated individuals who choose to stand guard so that others might sleep easily.

Military uniforms command respect. They’re also intimidating. Uniforms are a testament to chains of command, order and service. When worn by a group of men and women, they create a visual wall, an impenetrable and emotionless barrier.
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Stewart was right to fear the uniform. He was right to be bothered by its potential to add substance to Vindman’s words. But the impact of what the witness wore didn’t come solely from the golden epaulets and shiny buttons and medals. The uniform carried weight because Vindman did not disappear into it. He was not an automaton. He was not stoic.

He was a son who reassured his worried father in his opening statement: “Do not worry. I will be fine for telling the truth.” He was a military officer who called himself “never partisan.” And he was a vulnerable human who began the morning with a powerfully kind gesture to the only other person in the room who really knew how he was feeling.
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Robin Givhan is a staff writer and The Washington Post's fashion critic, covering fashion as a business, as a cultural institution and as pure pleasure. A 2006 Pulitzer Prize winner for criticism, Givhan has also worked at Newsweek/Daily Beast, Vogue magazine and the Detroit Free Press. Follow https://twitter.com/RobinGivhan

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Response to mahatmakanejeeves (Original post)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 02:46 PM

11. We live in a country where media pundits...

... find it necessary to waste time critiquing what a witness wears to testify. SMH. If that ain't form over substance, I don't know what is.

--Mal

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Response to mahatmakanejeeves (Original post)

Thu Nov 21, 2019, 12:02 PM

12. Fuck This Shit!

 

Hey Donnie! At least Vindman has a uniform to wear, you cowardly little phony!

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Response to mahatmakanejeeves (Original post)

Sat Nov 23, 2019, 11:02 AM

13. Choice of uniform

While I understand Lt. Col. Vindman wearing his uniform, if the choice were possible, I would have gone with the (I am not a military person) Class A uniform (dress green service). It would have included all his medals and decorations, but the message would have been slightly less "hot," than that conveyed by the dress blue uniform.

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Response to LizaB (Reply #13)

Sat Nov 23, 2019, 11:25 AM

14. Each branch of the uniformed services has explicit protocols for which type of uniform they wear

for certain types of events/situations and it had been stated that he wore the appropriate uniform.

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