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Sun Oct 13, 2019, 10:18 AM

Mormons to the Rescue

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/mormons-to-the-rescue/ar-AAICO6z

The New York Times
10/12/19

Mormons to the Rescue?
Timothy Egan

In order to understand the Republican Party today, you have to understand religion. Donald Trump may be the most unreligious president ever — an undisciplined force of corrosive evil. And yet he tweets comparisons to himself as the Messiah and bullies his way around the world with the blind support of white evangelical Christians.

But the one religious faith that is the most heavily Republican is also somewhat disgusted with Trump. Barely half the members of the American-grown Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints approve of his presidency.

And therein lies the best chance, though it’s very much a long shot, to remove Trump from office. Wait! Mormons — forged from a polygamous theocracy in the Rocky Mountain West, tainted by decades of institutional racism and still very much opposed to marriage equality — to the rescue of the Republic? Maybe.

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saidsimplesimon Oct 13 OP
TreasonousBastard Oct 13 #1
saidsimplesimon Oct 13 #3
Aristus Oct 13 #2
SCantiGOP Oct 13 #4
saidsimplesimon Oct 13 #5
yonder Oct 13 #8
Arthur_Frain Oct 14 #13
Skittles Oct 13 #11
Wednesdays Oct 13 #6
NNadir Oct 13 #7
GeorgeGist Oct 13 #9
saidsimplesimon Oct 13 #10
SCVDem Oct 13 #12

Response to saidsimplesimon (Original post)

Sun Oct 13, 2019, 10:25 AM

1. Forget Home Depot, magic underwear and the rest of it. Just one question...

How did he do as Governor of Massachusetts?

Which leads to another simple question-- if we were to lose the White House, would Romney be better or worse than losing to Trump again?

And my speculation-- Romney would be far more difficult to beat for some of our candidates.

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Response to TreasonousBastard (Reply #1)

Sun Oct 13, 2019, 10:36 AM

3. It's an opinion piece. Your speculation

I agree with. I don't practice any religion, so...it matters not to me what others choose for themselves. not that you asked, just a clarification

A little birdie (media speculation) is that what's left of the RNC "king" makers will be supporting, for queen, Niki Haley. Next for a chance at grabbing the golden ring?

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Response to saidsimplesimon (Original post)

Sun Oct 13, 2019, 10:26 AM

2. Their religion is coo-coo-bananas.

But every Mormon I've ever met has been friendly and polite. For all the ugly misogyny they share with Trump, they must at least dislike his boorish, thuggish behavior.

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Response to Aristus (Reply #2)

Sun Oct 13, 2019, 11:13 AM

4. Agree

I am not religious, and think Mormonism is one of the sillier and harder to defend religions, but they are in my opinion one of the most sincere and least hypocritical.
I had a Mormon boss for one summer job during college. He would not drink anything with caffeine, since that was a drug (Sprite was his only soft drink) and his go-to cuss word was "Oh pickleworm."
Our bookkeeper told me that he had called a vendor and asked him to resend an invoice because he had undercharged by about $5.

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Response to Aristus (Reply #2)

Sun Oct 13, 2019, 11:26 AM

5. Latter Day Saints

may be offended that rumpie has begun to call himself "The Chosen One"?

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Response to Aristus (Reply #2)

Sun Oct 13, 2019, 12:59 PM

8. I've known and worked with many LDS folks. A few are friends.

Whether jack mormon or not, as a group, they are generally kind, considerate and industrious. In my experience they take care of each other - not in a cloistered, groupthink sort of way but in a Golden Rule, "we help because because it is good for the community" way.

Yes, they have unusual religious ideas and usually listen to the church but also exhibit an open-minded independence too.

IMO, they are not the nasty tempered, spit-faced, extremist, "I'll-choot-if-you-disagree", close minded types I associate with the Protestant evangelical right elsewhere in the US.

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Response to yonder (Reply #8)

Mon Oct 14, 2019, 12:42 AM

13. Just as elsewhere, some of them are. But quite a few are nutjobs.

They show up at government events in Utah packing heavy assault rifles, they cannot be counted on to do other than their religion tells them vis a vis homosexuals, and for all intents and purposes, the bundies were basically an offshoot of Mormonism, and you should note how quick they were to resort to guns in that case (that’s in the Book of Mormon, believe it or not).

By and large, you are correct, most are polite and respectful, so long as they don’t feel you’re being purposely dismissive or disrespectful of their religion. The problem is that they don’t police their own, and that attracts more of the fringe element, (see Hilldale) and that applies to the firearm aspect of it, the social aspect of it, and the “financial conservatism” aspect of it.

They are, at heart, fundamentalists. They are amongst those who will vote for trump again before they will vote for any democrat, you can take that to the bank.

Anyone counting on blue LDS wave is going to be waiting a very, very long time.

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Response to Aristus (Reply #2)

Sun Oct 13, 2019, 04:08 PM

11. they are all nutty; it is just a matter of degree

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Response to saidsimplesimon (Original post)

Sun Oct 13, 2019, 11:45 AM

6. Strange bedfellows, indeed

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Response to saidsimplesimon (Original post)

Sun Oct 13, 2019, 12:45 PM

7. I have no idea of whether this is true, but if it is...

...one has to imagine that if nothing else, they take their beliefs seriously.

We may contrast this with ersatz "Christians" who worship the orange anti-christ and his running violation of every single one of the ten commandments, with the possible exception of "Honor your mother and father."

His father was a racist, and he's at least honoring that.

The list:

You shall have no other gods before Me.
You shall make no idols.
You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain.
Keep the Sabbath day holy.
Honor your father and your mother.
You shall not murder.
You shall not commit adultery.
You shall not steal.
You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
You shall not covet.

It appears that our modern day "Christians" have no idea what those words mean.

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Response to saidsimplesimon (Original post)

Sun Oct 13, 2019, 02:04 PM

9. What kinda religion can only get half its members ...

to know right from wrong?

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Response to GeorgeGist (Reply #9)

Sun Oct 13, 2019, 02:13 PM

10. Good catch, 50% support tRump

I'm not sure there are reported numbers that include all members of Christian churches.

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Response to saidsimplesimon (Original post)

Sun Oct 13, 2019, 07:15 PM

12. Everything I know about Mormons

I learned from South Park!

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