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Fri Aug 10, 2018, 09:42 AM

New data makes it clear: Nonvoters handed Trump the presidency (WP)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2018/08/09/new-data-makes-it-clear-nonvoters-handed-trump-the-presidency/

New data makes it clear: Nonvoters handed Trump the presidency
by Philip Bump | August 9 at 2:29 PM

Most of our assessments of the electorate in 2016 are dependent on estimates. Polling before the election that suggested where people were leaning; exit polling after the fact that gives us some sense of who actually turned out. When more than 137 million people vote, understanding exactly who they were and why they voted the way they did necessarily involves some guesswork.

On Thursday, though, Pew Research Center released an unusually robust survey of the 2016 electorate. In addition to having asked people how they voted, Pewís team verified that they did, giving us a picture not only of the electorate but also of those who didnít vote. There are a number of interesting details that emerge from that research, including a breakdown of President Trumpís support that confirms much of his base has backed him enthusiastically since the Republican primaries.

The data also makes another point very clear: Those who didnít vote are as responsible for the outcome of the election as those who did.

As we noted shortly after the election, about 30 percent of Americans were eligible to vote but decided not to, a higher percentage than the portion of the country who voted for either Trump or his Democratic opponent, Hillary Clinton. Pewís data shows that almost half of the nonvoters were nonwhite and two-thirds were under age 50. More than half of those who didnít vote earned less than $30,000 a year; more than half of those who did vote were over age 50.




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Response to dalton99a (Original post)

Fri Aug 10, 2018, 09:47 AM

1. Russia helped too

n/t

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Response to Botany (Reply #1)

Fri Aug 10, 2018, 09:48 AM

3. Absolutely.

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Response to dalton99a (Reply #3)

Fri Aug 10, 2018, 09:54 AM

8. people who don't vote have always been here and the GOP has worked to make sure they ...

.... don't start but w/the understanding that non voters are part of the demographics
that make up our elections Russia micro targeted and "worked on" those that did vote
too. Russia/Trump used Cambridge Analytica and Facebook to "bath targeted voters"
in misinformation in order to effect the elections outcome.

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Response to Botany (Reply #1)

Fri Aug 10, 2018, 09:53 AM

7. The two are connected

Many of those non-voters were led to believe that they did not have a choice worth showing up for.

At best, they were unmotivated. At worst, they just refused to vote for Hillary.

It is what made the Russian attack so effective. Just enough misinformation, doubt and discord to change the will of the voters that might otherwise have voted D.

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Response to dalton99a (Original post)

Fri Aug 10, 2018, 09:47 AM

2. Great find. This is why Republicans are dead-set against anything that makes voting easier

Of course, these days it's even worse: not content with suppressing the vote, they're now flipping them outright.

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Response to dalton99a (Original post)

Fri Aug 10, 2018, 09:48 AM

4. In other words: Structural barriers to youth, minority and low income voting are still effective


Live in the same place for a long time and have work/commute hours which accommodate voting - no problem.

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #4)

Fri Aug 10, 2018, 10:30 AM

10. What is the solution? Nothing seems to be working, the courts move too slow to keep up with

the speedier evil?

Paper ballots? Of course the best solution to voting count fraud but not vote casting.

Idea - time limited one use voting cards identical to credit cards in every way. Issued well in advance of Election Day. Useable at will at any time at public voting booths. Not linked to internet.

Verification? Bank+ level security...maybe actually IN banks. Count? By the individual machines at individual locations, stores on a paper printout, and verified electronically tallied at central location overseen by election officials.

Foolproof? Maybe not 100%, but not bad and the main point and purpose is to get the votes cast.

Just an idea.

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Response to dalton99a (Original post)

Fri Aug 10, 2018, 09:48 AM

5. An expression I use a lot

Comes from a RUSH song

"If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice"

Come on people.

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Response to genxlib (Reply #5)

Fri Aug 10, 2018, 10:34 AM

11. Yeah, tell those 18-21 year olds to quit changing their residence!!!

Oh, and tell them not to go to out-of-state schools!

If 19 year olds gave a shit about voting, they would not go to college hundreds of miles away from their permanent residence, and they would be sure to go back home to vote in November!

They have to understand that if their local voting rules require them to have an established residence for at least six months before the election, then after May of each year THEY NEED TO STAY PUT AND NOT MOVE.

Also, they should be taught that they need to have proof of residence, such as their name on a deed or lease, along with a utility bill.

NO MORE RENTING ROOMS BY THE MONTH IN SHARED APARTMENTS!

If they refuse to do those things, then they obviously don't care about democracy.

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #11)

Fri Aug 10, 2018, 11:48 AM

12. No need to go on the attack

I am a big proponent of making sure everyone can vote as simply and easily as possible.

I agree with you that the restrictions put in place by the GOP are a travesty.

But that is only a fraction of what is going on here. Lack of voter participation has been a problem much longer than the voter suppression efforts.

We could have every voting convenience that we could think of and we would still have a depressingly low participation rate.

You can even make the case that the two are related. So many people stayed home in the crucial 2010 census year that the Republicans gained the power they currently have to fuck with us.

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Response to genxlib (Reply #5)

Fri Aug 10, 2018, 05:23 PM

15. One of my favorite songs by Rush

Here's more to Neil Peart's profound lyric:

You may choose a ready guide, in some celestial voice.
If you choose not to decide, you STILL have made a choice.
You may choose in phantom fears or kindness that can kill.
I will choose a path that's clear. I will choose free will.


I still love you, Neil Peart, arthritic hands and all.



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Response to dalton99a (Original post)

Fri Aug 10, 2018, 09:52 AM

6. That could be said about every election.

Take the total population of eligible citizens that could vote and deduct those that actually do. You'll see a large number of people that for one reason or another, just don't care about our system.

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Response to dalton99a (Original post)

Fri Aug 10, 2018, 09:55 AM

9. before people inevitably rail on the nonvoters for not voting, remember

that there are a host of measures the bigots have put in place to keep "certain people" from voting (or from having as much of an impact if they do manage to vote, via gerrymandering, e.g.).

this include:

strategic shortages of voting machines
strategic understaffing of polling places (resulting in long lines)
disenfranchisement of selected populations (who gets to vote is defined by elected politicians who themselves have a stake in such determinations)
pointless purging of voter registration rolls
refusing to make voting easier (mail-in voting, e.g.)
refusing to make registration easier (motor voter, same-day registration)
refusing to make election day a national holiday (seriously, wtf)
making immigration and gaining the right to vote a challenge
etc.


yes, everyone should try to become eligible to vote and everyone eligible to vote should actually vote.
and yes, they should be encouraged to do so.

but the real anger needs to be directed at all the many ways the right-wing has made it unnecessarily difficult to vote in the first place.

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Response to dalton99a (Original post)

Fri Aug 10, 2018, 12:43 PM

13. "Non-Voters".... as we get reports Russia has penetrated voter roles...

But we knew this...

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Response to dalton99a (Original post)

Fri Aug 10, 2018, 01:20 PM

14. Do non-voters really matter in a "rigged" election?

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