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Sun Jul 8, 2018, 12:02 PM

*Smart Technology Sees Through Walls To Track & Identify People, NBC, July 8, '18

A group of researchers and students at MIT have developed an intelligent radar-like technology that makes it possible to see through walls to track people as they move around, a development that could prove useful for monitoring the elderly or sick as well as for other applications but that also raises privacy concerns.

Tests show that the technology, known as RF-Pose, can reveal whether someone is walking, sitting, standing or even waving and can identify individuals from a known group with a success rate of 83 percent. Its developers say it could prove useful for a range of applications, including law enforcement, search and rescue, and perhaps most important health care.

"We've seen that monitoring patients' walking speed and ability to do basic activities on their own gives health care providers a window into their lives that they didn't have before, which could be meaningful for a whole range of diseases," Dina Katabi, a computer scientist at MIT and leader of the group, said in a statement...

Read More, https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/smart-technology-sees-through-walls-to-track-and-identify-people/ar-AAzJCqy?li=BBnbcA1

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Reply *Smart Technology Sees Through Walls To Track & Identify People, NBC, July 8, '18 (Original post)
appalachiablue Jul 2018 OP
Moostache Jul 2018 #1
appalachiablue Jul 2018 #3
dixiegrrrrl Jul 2018 #12
appalachiablue Jul 2018 #13
dixiegrrrrl Jul 2018 #15
appalachiablue Jul 2018 #17
dixiegrrrrl Jul 2018 #18
Crutchez_CuiBono Jul 2018 #2
appalachiablue Jul 2018 #6
Crutchez_CuiBono Jul 2018 #8
appalachiablue Jul 2018 #10
Crutchez_CuiBono Jul 2018 #14
dixiegrrrrl Jul 2018 #16
Ilsa Jul 2018 #4
appalachiablue Jul 2018 #5
lapfog_1 Jul 2018 #7
Crutchez_CuiBono Jul 2018 #9
Bayard Jul 2018 #11

Response to appalachiablue (Original post)

Sun Jul 8, 2018, 12:04 PM

1. Privacy concerns? How about assassination concerns?

That is a technology that has way more potential for abuse and militarization than actual good...

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Response to Moostache (Reply #1)

Sun Jul 8, 2018, 12:10 PM

3. Negative possibilities ARE scary, real. Observing people for 'health issues

and safety concerns' is the usual benefit explanation. But the tech can and will go way beyond that application.

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Response to appalachiablue (Reply #3)

Sun Jul 8, 2018, 03:17 PM

12. Waht kind of concerned health provider thinks peeking thru walls is the way to go?


That is one of the thinnest BS justification s I have ever heard.

And, btw, law enforcement claimed to have developed something like this a few years ago, using thermal imagining..
here they claim they could look into vans and trucks to see what people were hauling.

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Reply #12)

Sun Jul 8, 2018, 03:44 PM

13. It is BS, but there are articles promoting how wonderful it is

to 'monitor' the elderly, people living alone, and ill people- w/o direct human assistance, or more safety net support of course. One example is having 'floor sensors' to track how often people are moving/exercising, or not. Invasive or helpful I don't know.

That LE already has and is using the technology I'm sure, esp. to look into vehicles and much more.

In the 2013 Boston Marathon Bombing case, I remember that thermal imaging detected the hiding younger brother, Kyrgyz-American Dzhokhar Tsarnaev who ran after planting bombs earlier with his older brother Tamerlan Tsarnaev.
The brother was found that night through LE aerial imaging, hiding under the tarp of a boat in the backyard of a home in Watertown, Mass. There are surely many other cases where similar technology has been used by LE and military. The application possibilities are plenty.

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Response to appalachiablue (Reply #13)

Sun Jul 8, 2018, 05:42 PM

15. Just reading a NYT article how China is now using that technology....



and how developers sell their spying programs and/or results of programs to the state.
Hell of a article, pretty chilling at what they are doing now, and what is the on the horizon.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/08/business/china-surveillance-technology.html

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Reply #15)

Sun Jul 8, 2018, 06:34 PM

17. They are well into mass surveillance, tracking and AI from what I've read..

Dystopia for real.

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Response to appalachiablue (Reply #17)

Sun Jul 8, 2018, 06:56 PM

18. One interesting aspect..


They can now display, on large televised billboards, a person's face and their ID # ( yep, they all have numbers) and what "crime" they just did on the street, like jaywalking.
And of course of a known pick pocket, or the wanted poster for a burglar, etc.

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Response to appalachiablue (Original post)

Sun Jul 8, 2018, 12:07 PM

2. Healthcare my ass..

more like seeing where someone is in their house...so the Po-Po can send a round through the house and kill people inside w no risk to law enforcement. Thats it in toto. Don't be confused w the old people bit. If they cared about old people, soc security payments would be double, and senior living would be much more comfortable after putting in lifetimes of work and paying taxes in this country. Regardless, the local police will jump at any chance to hop in their black swat tactical gear and parade around w an assault rifle...as an homage to the year they spent in the sand (voluntarily). We are the enemy in their eyes.

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Response to Crutchez_CuiBono (Reply #2)

Sun Jul 8, 2018, 12:21 PM

6. So right, the 'health benefits to people' is just cover. Social Security

and other assistance is the way to help people, not spying!

But health care & elderly facilities will buy into the surveillance technology since it's 'new' and cheaper than real helpers and services.

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Response to appalachiablue (Reply #6)

Sun Jul 8, 2018, 12:41 PM

8. Hate to sound ambivalent (I really do)

but so much has turned against our TRUE freedom and unalienable rights, that you HAVE to think about it.
This corporate idea that the consumer is a sucker and caveat emptor, has bled into govt. Most people have no idea what caveat emptor is and they assume corporations are really there to help us all in some fashion.
The Gop screams about enlarging freedom and small govt....but they restrict us (Patriot Act comes to mind.) and they enlarge govt, w republicans who are unqualified, as trophy/reward jobs. (Aren't they the folks who bemoan the everyone gets a trophy mantra?) ugh.

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Response to Crutchez_CuiBono (Reply #8)

Sun Jul 8, 2018, 01:04 PM

10. In this age of corporatism, most people don't know 'caveat emptor'

Caveat Emptor: Latin for "let the buyer beware." A doctrine that often places on buyers the burden to reasonably examine property before purchase and take responsibility for its condition. Especially applicable to items that are not covered under a strict warranty. See, e.g. SEC v. Zandford, 535 U.S. 813 (2002).

See Commercial law, Real property, Personal property, COMMERCE, contracts, commercial activities, PROPERTY, property & real estate law. https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/caveat_emptor

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Response to appalachiablue (Reply #10)

Sun Jul 8, 2018, 05:18 PM

14. Right on.

Ty. Corporations use this "secret rule' "understanding' to justify stealing or cheating the customer. imho.

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Response to Crutchez_CuiBono (Reply #8)

Sun Jul 8, 2018, 05:50 PM

16. The corporate idea actually is that the consumer is the product.


In the end, it is all about what can be monetized and sold off.
For marketers and the police state, the product is information about us.
For Big Pharma it is keeping us in the medical pipeline.
Then follows insurance biz, right down to pet insurance, which promote keeping us fearful of the future.

I keep picturing man as moving from birth to grave along a conveyor belt while these various entities, like Dementers, suck what they want from us as we go by.

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Response to appalachiablue (Original post)

Sun Jul 8, 2018, 12:11 PM

4. Hmm. They want to know how much time I spend on the toilet?

In the shower? Can they observe people having sex with others or themselves? Fuck this.

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Response to appalachiablue (Original post)

Sun Jul 8, 2018, 12:12 PM

5. K & R for visibility.

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Response to appalachiablue (Original post)

Sun Jul 8, 2018, 12:40 PM

7. erasure rail gun with "xray scope"

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Response to lapfog_1 (Reply #7)

Sun Jul 8, 2018, 12:43 PM

9. The Russian voice overlay.....

chilling.

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Response to lapfog_1 (Reply #7)

Sun Jul 8, 2018, 02:38 PM

11. I was going to say

I've seen this movie.

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