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Thu May 3, 2018, 09:50 AM

Hillary Clinton: Being a Capitalist 'Probably' Hurt Me in Primary Because Many Dems Are Socialists

Boy, there's a couple of things to unpack in this.

1. There's nothing wrong with saying you believe in capitalism IF it includes the big BUT Hillary did about regulation and accountability.

The problem is the centrist/DLC/Third Way/New Democrat wing of the party did not hold the big dogs accountable and under Bill Clinton's watch, relaxed the very regulations that made Wall Streets crimes mostly legal.

2. If you think 41% of your base share certain values, you might try to build up a record and a platform that reflects those values rather than attacking those people and giving every indication you will go the other way on core economic and foreign policy issues.

3. How the hell could the REPUBLICANS see any point in highlighting this? Hillary is essentially saying she's a pre-Reagan Republican.

Hillary Clinton claimed Wednesday that declaring herself to be a “capitalist” during the 2016 presidential primaries may have hurt her with Democratic voters.

“Probably,” she said when asked by Time Inc. Brands CCO Alan Murray if the declaration hurt her. The pair appeared in conversation as part of the Shared Value Leadership Summit in New York City.

“It’s hard to know but I mean if you’re in the Iowa caucuses and 41 percent of Democrats are socialists or self-described socialists, and I’m asked ‘Are you a capitalist?’ and I say, ‘Yes, but with appropriate regulation and appropriate accountability.’ You know, that probably gets lost in the ‘Oh my gosh, she’s a capitalist!’” Clinton concluded, partly referring to the popularity of her primary rival, Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT), who ran as a self-declared democratic socialist.

The Republican National Committee research team quickly seized upon the remarks, clipping it and posting it to their social-media channels.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/hillary-clinton-being-a-capitalist-probably-hurt-me-in-primary-because-many-democrats-are-socialists

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Reply Hillary Clinton: Being a Capitalist 'Probably' Hurt Me in Primary Because Many Dems Are Socialists (Original post)
yurbud May 2018 OP
stonecutter357 May 2018 #1
Ferrets are Cool May 2018 #2
ehrnst May 2018 #3
Eliot Rosewater May 2018 #12
yurbud May 2018 #22
yurbud May 2018 #4
Ferrets are Cool May 2018 #5
yurbud May 2018 #16
Ferrets are Cool May 2018 #19
ehrnst May 2018 #8
Eliot Rosewater May 2018 #24
emulatorloo May 2018 #6
yurbud May 2018 #15
emulatorloo May 2018 #17
George II May 2018 #20
yurbud May 2018 #23
ehrnst May 2018 #25
bettyellen May 2018 #31
ehrnst May 2018 #33
ehrnst May 2018 #32
brer cat May 2018 #7
ehrnst May 2018 #9
yurbud May 2018 #36
Hekate May 2018 #39
yurbud May 2018 #40
ehrnst May 2018 #10
leanforward May 2018 #11
ehrnst May 2018 #26
still_one May 2018 #13
brer cat May 2018 #18
MBS May 2018 #14
Post removed May 2018 #21
BeyondGeography May 2018 #27
Name removed May 2018 #28
Name removed May 2018 #29
ehrnst May 2018 #34
Hekate May 2018 #30
BeyondGeography May 2018 #35
ehrnst May 2018 #37
QC May 2018 #38

Response to yurbud (Original post)

Thu May 3, 2018, 09:54 AM

1. cool story bro !

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Response to yurbud (Original post)

Thu May 3, 2018, 09:55 AM

2. The answer to your 3rd point...

She is a female.

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Response to Ferrets are Cool (Reply #2)

Thu May 3, 2018, 10:08 AM

3. On the head. (nt)

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Response to ehrnst (Reply #3)

Thu May 3, 2018, 02:25 PM

12. Why is this garbage here?

So we know the GOP, KGB and others hate Hillary and their job is to spread that hate.

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Reply #12)

Fri May 4, 2018, 10:02 AM

22. I don't know why the GOP is spreading this but the other stuff is worth analysis unless

you think she'll never be a candidate again.

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Response to Ferrets are Cool (Reply #2)

Thu May 3, 2018, 10:23 AM

4. and we all know women have no head for business (?)

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Response to yurbud (Reply #4)

Thu May 3, 2018, 10:25 AM

5. Did I REALLY need to put the sarcasm emo in my post??? nt

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Response to Ferrets are Cool (Reply #5)

Thu May 3, 2018, 05:53 PM

16. I was being sarcastic too.

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Response to yurbud (Reply #16)

Thu May 3, 2018, 07:31 PM

19. LOLOL Love it!!

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Response to yurbud (Reply #4)

Thu May 3, 2018, 12:49 PM

8. Puhlease...

being disingenuous doesn't help one's credibility.

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Response to ehrnst (Reply #8)

Fri May 4, 2018, 11:12 AM

24. It's Friday, how many attacks of Hillary and Kamala and Kennedy will we see today I wonder

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Response to yurbud (Original post)

Thu May 3, 2018, 10:56 AM

6. 1. Hillary still isn't Bill so stop blaming her for his policies.

1. Hillary still isn't Bill so stop blaming her for his policies.

2. That’s your spin, and it is borderline fabrication. Doesn’t reflect actual policy positions, speeches, debate statements.

3. “Hillary is saying she’s a Pre-Reagan Republican.” Give that bullshit a rest.


BTW, Primary 2016 is over. We don’t have time for tired half-true regurgitated talking points from GD 2016.


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Response to emulatorloo (Reply #6)

Thu May 3, 2018, 05:52 PM

15. Which of Bill's policies has she condemned and tried to repeal?

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Response to yurbud (Reply #15)

Thu May 3, 2018, 05:56 PM

17. Not interested in participating in your nonsense or feeding your CDS

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Response to yurbud (Reply #15)

Thu May 3, 2018, 09:24 PM

20. I don't know who your candidate may be (but I can guess) - which of Bill Clinton's policies....

...has he/she condemned and tried to repeal?

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Response to George II (Reply #20)

Fri May 4, 2018, 10:04 AM

23. I said that in response to "she isn't Bill." You can't have it both ways.

If someone says that, they are implying she disagrees with some of those policies.

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Response to yurbud (Reply #23)

Fri May 4, 2018, 12:03 PM

25. It means that she has her own policies, not all of which may match his of 1992-2000

Is that clearer?

How about other Senators (who are not in the GOP) - those that have not condemned or repealed laws signed by Bill Clinton? If they haven't does that also mean we can't say that they "are not Bill Clinton?"

How about Senators that condemned the Welfare reform bill, but voted for the Crime bill? Does that make them "partly Bill Clinton?" or do they have to be female to be dismissed that way.

She is not her husband AND she can agree with some, if not many, of his policies from 1995-2000. She can be her own politician, with her own ideas, and not call for a repeal of Clinton White House policies.

That's not "having it both ways," it's a straightforward concept, grounded in reality, which may seem confusing at first to a dualistic mindset, at least about anyone female named Clinton.



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Response to yurbud (Reply #23)

Fri May 4, 2018, 12:31 PM

31. She is her own person and it's a different time. Honestly these thoughtless

 

Assumptions are really sexist and don’t reflect well on the people making them.

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Response to bettyellen (Reply #31)

Fri May 4, 2018, 12:33 PM

33. Nothing is too illogical or sexist to smear the most qualified POTUS candidate in history

apparently.

I wonder why?

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Response to yurbud (Reply #15)

Fri May 4, 2018, 12:32 PM

32. I know at least one sitting Senator that condemns the Welfare bill AND voted FOR the Crime bill.

Does that make him "half" Bill Clinton?

Or are you trying to have it both ways - trashing Hillary for not condemning, but giving someone else a pass for actually voting to pass one of those policies?



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Response to yurbud (Original post)

Thu May 3, 2018, 12:27 PM

7. Let me fix # 2 for you:

If you think that 41% of voters in the Democratic Party Primary think that the true base of the Party is a "distraction," you might have a record and platform that address and support your base's core issues and values.

If you think Hillary Clinton is a republican, you might find JPR more to your liking than DU. Just sayin.

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Response to brer cat (Reply #7)

Thu May 3, 2018, 12:49 PM

9. +1000 (nt)

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Response to brer cat (Reply #7)

Fri May 4, 2018, 01:34 PM

36. which policies are the minimum for someone to be a Democrat?

Just not racist, sexist, etc?

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Response to yurbud (Reply #36)

Fri May 4, 2018, 02:51 PM

39. Unlike the GOP, the Dem Party is not a religious cult. For the rest, READ THE PLATFORM. nt

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Response to Hekate (Reply #39)

Thu May 10, 2018, 09:51 AM

40. that is very persuasive

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Response to yurbud (Original post)

Thu May 3, 2018, 12:53 PM

10. The title is a blatant simplification and bad editing of the quote

Much like, "You didn't build that" was morphed by the right into "you business people didn't build the businesses you own."

I expect better from progressives concerning a very progressive Democrat.

It's just sad, desperate and worthy of JPR, not DU.




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Response to yurbud (Original post)

Thu May 3, 2018, 12:59 PM

11. Gender aside

One item I noted in our candidates campaigning is any or not enough emphasis on the individuals (40%) who could be called the base. The message, to me, seemed to be missing an appeal or a "I'll work for you here's how". For instance, a return to Glass-Steagall or a loud support of the CPFB.

Let's not forget Debbie W-S, and her aiding/writing for the payday lenders. Her actions helped to taint our party platform. Hillary's campaign could look like that have moderate/liberal republican.

She didn't connect with a lot of voters. She just didn't seem to have an action message. Too oriented to corporate interests.

I voted for the Candidate and the Party, regardless.

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Response to leanforward (Reply #11)

Fri May 4, 2018, 12:10 PM

26. In what way was she "too oriented to corporate interests?"

Suggesting that breaking up big banks wasn't going to end racism and sexism?

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Response to yurbud (Original post)

Thu May 3, 2018, 02:56 PM

13. "Hillary is essentially saying she's a pre-Reagan Republican." BULLSHIT!!! as is the OPs

distorted interpretation of what Hillary is

Have fun rehashing the distortions and misrepresentations that were hurled by some during 2016, and helped propel trump into the WH, because there are a lot of folks who remember where this garbage came from, and will remember that in 2020 if certain parties decide to relive that experience with their candidates who only become a Democrat for the convenience of their political ambitions

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Response to still_one (Reply #13)

Thu May 3, 2018, 07:16 PM

18. +1 nt

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Response to yurbud (Original post)

Thu May 3, 2018, 03:35 PM

14. I voted for Hillary in both the primary and the GE

and I understand her personal need to vent and to process "What Happened" during this vile and probably stolen 2016 election.
The Democratic Party needs to do its own self-examination, too, and apply the lessons learned to their 2018 and 2020 election strategy. And they do seem actually to be doing so in their own chaotic style.

But Hillary is not doing herself (or the Democratic party) any favors with comments like this.

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Fri May 4, 2018, 12:20 PM

27. Oy

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Fri May 4, 2018, 12:42 PM

34. That doesn't help the cause of those who need "black/white" "purity/Evil" dichotomies.

Nuance doesn't promote that.

CAPITALISM = SERVING CORPORATE MASTERS AND ANYONE WHO THINKS IT SHOULD NOT BE BROUGHT DOWN IS IN BED WITH THE OLIGHARCHY!!!!! REGULATIONS ARE SIMPLY BOWING TO THEM!!! INCREMENTAL CHANGE IS CORPORATIST MESSAGING!!!

SOCIALISM = ELIMINATING WALL STREET, (AT LEAST NOT COMMUNICATING WITH THEM OTHER THAN CALLING THEM EVIL), ELIMINATES RACISM, SEXISM, XENOPHOBIA AND HEALTH CARE INEQUITY!!!! AND YES, I HAVE A 401K, BUT ONCE THE BANKS ARE BROUGHT DOWN, THE SOCIAL SAFETY NET WILL TAKE THE PLACE OF THOSE ACCOUNTS COMPLETELY!! AND THIS CAN BE DONE IN FOUR YEARS, BECAUSE JFK SAID "WE GO TO THE MOON BECAUSE IT IS HARD" AND WE DID.

Or so I hear. That is certainly not borne out by what is going on in the Democratic Socialist countries in Europe.

People I know who live there are amazed at what the U.S. thinks about the either/or of free markets and socialism.

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Response to yurbud (Original post)

Fri May 4, 2018, 12:29 PM

30. Hillary won by 3 million votes over Trump in an election so rigged it may end our democracy...

Rigged against her, I hope you understand.

She DID cater to the base. She DID have plans to help every group. Those plans existed not only in position papers online, but in speeches and interviews she gave and conversations she had. She was and is a thoughtful, compassionate person. Her entire adult life she has been a DEMOCRAT.

The Democratic Party itself needs to do some soul searching and address issues of voter suppression and voter theft that surfaced in Bush v. Gore in 2000.

Instead, some Dems agree with the media that she needs to flagellate herself, and the GOP intends to gnaw her bones in perpetuity.

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Response to Hekate (Reply #30)

Fri May 4, 2018, 01:21 PM

35. You think that was a good answer?

She was asked if being a capitalist hurt her. She could have said, I don't think so, and kept the part of the answer that referred to rules and regulations and said that's where the vast majority of Americans stand and moved on. No headline there. Instead she volunteers a data point about self-described socialists in Iowa, which is why we have this thread.

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Response to BeyondGeography (Reply #35)

Fri May 4, 2018, 02:42 PM

37. Yes, she is rather overprepared, isn't she?

With those facts and such.

Or she's secretive and dishonest, and avoiding the question.

She will be pilloried either way by some, and there is no stopping even now that she's not running for office.

I think that there would have been a "headline" no matter what she said, or didn't say.

The Republican National Committee research team quickly seized upon the remarks, clipping it and posting it to their social-media channels.


And the Daily Beast made it clickbait.

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Response to yurbud (Original post)

Fri May 4, 2018, 02:42 PM

38. We will hear this in GOP attack ads in the next two election cycles. n/t

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