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Sat Dec 16, 2017, 03:40 PM

How Doug Jones Destroyed Roy Moores Whole Shtick with One Well-Chosen Verb

This may not be the reason Jones won, but it shows more thought about turning Republicans supposed strengths into laughable liabilities.

Frankly, I'm surprised no one has done this effectively to Trump.


Enter Doug Jones. If there’s one person on Earth whose view of gender is less enlightened than Donald Trump’s, it’s Roy Moore. And like the president, Moore loves playing the tough guy. Hence the gun at the rally. Hence the ten-gallon hat. Hence the decision, however questionable, to ride a horse to his polling place on Election Day.

Jones could have gone the Rubio route and tried to prove he was the alpha of the race. Roy Moore pulls out a pistol? Doug Jones pulls out a shotgun! Roy Moore rides on horseback? Doug Jones rides bareback! And so on, and so on. But instead of fighting on the culture warrior’s turf, Jones turned to ridicule.

“Prancing around on a stage in cowboy suit.”

Look at the word choice in that sentence. Not “walking” or “marching,” but “prancing.” Not at a rally, but “on a stage.” Not dressed like a cowboy, but “in a cowboy suit.” These were precise, cutting words. They didn’t just make fun of his opponent.
They went straight at the central conceit of his public persona – his toughness. Words like “prancing” and “cowboy suit” suggest the opposite of masculinity. Where Roy Moore presented himself as an alpha male, Doug Jones exposed him as a kind of right-wing cabaret act.


https://www.thedailybeast.com/how-doug-jones-destroyed-roy-moores-whole-shtick-with-one-well-chosen-verb

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Response to yurbud (Original post)

Sat Dec 16, 2017, 03:47 PM

1. So feminizing him w prancing worked on sexist assholes and we should learn what from that? Nope.

 

Last edited Sun Dec 17, 2017, 04:26 PM - Edit history (1)

Edited it because people thought it was about dressing up. LOL. And no he’s NOT referring to the horse.

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Response to bettyellen (Reply #1)

Sat Dec 16, 2017, 03:55 PM

3. To some extent, I'm in favor of what will cause electoral victory.

At time, it has certainly occurred to me before that Democrats used language or imagery to play on people's prejudices.

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Response to David__77 (Reply #3)

Sat Dec 16, 2017, 05:23 PM

32. My oldest friend is a "word shamer"

It is VERY annoying.

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Response to David__77 (Reply #3)

Sun Dec 17, 2017, 03:15 AM

78. Victory is not to be underestimated.

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Response to bettyellen (Reply #1)

Sat Dec 16, 2017, 03:57 PM

4. No, exposing him as a fake. He was on a STAGE, prancing around in a COSTUME.

which was exactly what he was doing.

The words "stage" and "costume" aren't feminine.

And the word "prance" refers to the gait of a horse.

dictionary.com

prance
[prans, prahns]
Spell Syllables

verb (used without object), pranced, prancing.
1.
to spring from the hind legs; to move by springing, as a horse.
2.
to ride on a horse doing this.


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Response to pnwmom (Reply #4)

Sat Dec 16, 2017, 04:01 PM

5. yup totally agree

exactly what he was doing,

if some on DU can't get around labeling everything as some type of isim, that they don't approve of, then we are in trouble
luckily it looks like Dems want to fight now, call out hypocrisy I feel good about that

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #4)

Sat Dec 16, 2017, 04:04 PM

7. . . . in a cowboy costume . . .

 

. . . waving a tiny toy gun . . .

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Response to Sam McGee (Reply #7)

Sat Dec 16, 2017, 04:06 PM

9. Waving his tiny dick wasn't really an option,

..so the tiny toy guy was it's surrogate.

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Response to TheCowsCameHome (Reply #9)

Sat Dec 16, 2017, 05:01 PM

23. Apparently,

it IS an option for some...

(Lauer, Rose, Weinstein, Louis CK, etc)

Kinda glad Roy didn't feel the need to follow suit.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #4)

Sat Dec 16, 2017, 09:06 PM

61. Al Franken said something similar about Bush in 2004: dressing up like a pilot & cowboy

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #4)

Sun Dec 17, 2017, 03:18 AM

79. Yes, he exposed him for his flim flam "Music Man," scam show.

Plus, he did.it with dignity.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #4)

Sun Dec 17, 2017, 01:39 PM

101. Well sure, but Jones wasn't referring to a HORSE, Jones was talking about male person.

 

We all know that horses prance.. but men attempting to flaunt their masculinity while running for the Senate should not be prancing.

That is the difference.. see that?

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Response to vkkv (Reply #101)

Sun Dec 17, 2017, 01:42 PM

102. He was riding a horse, "prancing" across the "stage" in his "cowboy suit." Horses prance.

This is about him being a fake, not about being feminine.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #102)

Sun Dec 17, 2017, 04:14 PM

110. LOL- so now hes talking about a horse. HA HA HA. Nope.

 

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Response to bettyellen (Reply #110)

Sun Dec 17, 2017, 04:40 PM

117. He was riding a horse, "prancing" across a "stage" in his "cowboy suit."

Horses prance. And PEOPLE on horses might prance. The word itself is not feminine.

Dictionary.com

verb (used without object), pranced, prancing.
1.
to spring from the hind legs; to move by springing, as a horse.
2.
to ride on a horse doing this.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #117)

Sun Dec 17, 2017, 04:42 PM

119. So he was talking about dressage horsemanship? Okay, if you say so, LOL.

 

Love seeing excuses for homophobia here. Really progressive.

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Response to bettyellen (Reply #119)

Sun Dec 17, 2017, 04:44 PM

120. Jones wasn't being homophobic. It's stretching the bounds of logic to accuse him of that. n/t

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #120)

Sun Dec 17, 2017, 04:46 PM

121. Prancing has long been a dogwhistle to denigrate gay men. Its rarely used, but hey it works in

 

Alabama- so I guess that’s all that matters? Try t on a national stage and see what happens.

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Response to bettyellen (Reply #1)

Sat Dec 16, 2017, 04:27 PM

15. opposite of masculinity

does not have to mean "feminine", I think it just take away form the "macho" act and shows him as the puny man that he is. Sort of barks but doesn't bite.

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Response to Perseus (Reply #15)

Sun Dec 17, 2017, 03:23 AM

80. I agree. He's a faker of a man with a small brain and a small heart. n/t

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Response to bettyellen (Reply #1)

Sat Dec 16, 2017, 04:47 PM

20. I am female and I do not prance

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Response to Skittles (Reply #20)

Sat Dec 16, 2017, 04:54 PM

22. It's oft used to imply men are homosexual- am I the only one who knows that?

 

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Response to bettyellen (Reply #22)

Sat Dec 16, 2017, 05:15 PM

27. the man looked ridiculous

he called it as he saw it

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Response to bettyellen (Reply #22)

Sat Dec 16, 2017, 05:18 PM

30. didn't think once homosexual until you brought it up

I took it as this phony tool of a person who is acting like a kid on Halloween at a talent show

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Response to gabeana (Reply #30)

Sat Dec 16, 2017, 05:36 PM

35. The phony part has nothing to do w prancing though. The extra punch that works on possible RWers is

 

Adding the feminine aspect. Ya there for a reason, and it worked but, not loving it.

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Response to bettyellen (Reply #35)

Sun Dec 17, 2017, 03:26 AM

82. Prancing has to do with horses, not women. In your effort to defend gay men, you're insulting women.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #82)

Sun Dec 17, 2017, 04:29 PM

113. WOW. Youre totally ignorant of the history of using read feminine attributes to diminish people? So

 

much so, that apparently you think I invented this idea?
Somehow I doubt that’s what you actually believe.

But fuck this nonsense about me insulting women. Such bullshit. Same stupid argument racists use to silence people talking about racism. Must be very proud of yourself. Ick.

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Response to bettyellen (Reply #113)

Sun Dec 17, 2017, 04:37 PM

116. No, I'm not. I'm disputing that "prancing" "stage" or "cowboy suit" are feminine terms. n/t

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #116)

Sun Dec 17, 2017, 04:41 PM

118. Cowboy suit? LOL. Stop pretending to be having an honest conversation. You know it was prancing and

 

You know it was NOT about the horse. That’s ridiculous. And you’re a waste of time with these games. Later.

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Response to bettyellen (Reply #22)

Sat Dec 16, 2017, 06:23 PM

48. You Were...

...until you just told us. Now all of DU'ers know it.

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Response to Cheviteau (Reply #48)

Sun Dec 17, 2017, 11:57 AM

90. Seriously? Thats weird. Maybe I watch too many old movies, LOL .... its

 

Weird how very common sexist and homophobic shit was in films just 20 years ago. And still pops up in places where being “macho” is still regarded a positive.

https://www.outsports.com/2015/12/22/10643980/carolina-panthers-josh-norman-giants-odell-beckham-gay-slurs



https://www.outsports.com/2015/12/22/10643980/carolina-panthers-josh-norman-giants-odell-beckham-gay-slurs

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Response to bettyellen (Reply #22)

Sun Dec 17, 2017, 03:25 AM

81. The word is appropriate because its primary use is to describe the gait of a horse.

And neither that word, nor "stage" nor "cowboy suit" imply anything feminine.

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Response to bettyellen (Reply #22)

Sun Dec 17, 2017, 05:07 AM

84. You're reading the wrong thing into it. Jones called him out on his ridiculous cowboy outfit and...

Last edited Sun Dec 17, 2017, 01:04 PM - Edit history (1)

little pop gun.

It was appropriate and effective.

Why would you have a problem with exposing that fraud for what he is — a poser of masculinity who is far from it as you can get — a pedophile?

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Response to bettyellen (Reply #91)

Sun Dec 17, 2017, 01:03 PM

97. Oh, like that story of football players has something to do with pedophile Moore.

I couldn't disagree Moore.

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Response to bettyellen (Reply #91)

Sun Dec 17, 2017, 04:51 PM

125. Where is the word "prance" in that article? n/t

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #125)

Sun Dec 17, 2017, 05:58 PM

140. Pleading ignorance again? It is there.

 

"You going to get out here, and you're going to dance around and prance around like you're a ballerina, that goes to show you,"

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Response to bettyellen (Reply #140)

Sun Dec 17, 2017, 06:01 PM

141. So is the word "dance" feminine, too? I get the word ballerina, because that is the feminine

form of the word -- but there are male dancers and female dancers. The word dance itself isn't female. And neither is the word prance.


dictionary.com

ballerina
[bal-uh-ree-nuh]

1.
a principal female dancer in a ballet company.
Compare prima ballerina.
2.
any female ballet dancer.

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Sun Dec 17, 2017, 06:06 PM

143. I didn't lie. I simply asked where it was, because I hadn't seen it. Why are you so accusatory?

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #143)

Sun Dec 17, 2017, 06:10 PM

146. LOL, another pivot! Big shocker there. Keep spinning.

 

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Response to bettyellen (Reply #146)

Sun Dec 17, 2017, 06:14 PM

148. How is directly answering your question a "pivot"? n/t

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Response to bettyellen (Reply #22)

Sun Dec 17, 2017, 02:16 PM

106. That would be a stereotype to suggest all men who prance around are gay, but it does point out

that he is a pretender and makes fun of his pathetic attempt at a he-man image.

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Response to Doodley (Reply #106)

Sun Dec 17, 2017, 04:13 PM

109. That stereotype has been around a long time. Its weord so many never heard of it. I guess going to

 

Fashion school I notice it more than the average person. Weird.

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Response to bettyellen (Reply #109)

Sun Dec 17, 2017, 04:50 PM

123. You hear the word "prancing" a lot at Fashion school? Weird. I probably know

as many gay men as you do, since my father, his partner, and most of their friends are gay. But none of them "prance" or talk about prancing.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #123)

Sun Dec 17, 2017, 04:54 PM

126. Directed toward gay students there? Yep. Also in films books movies and TV shows.

 

You know what’s weird? Pretending to think it was referring to a horse, or that people AT fashion school would use gay dog whistles- that is weird. And dishonest.

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Response to bettyellen (Reply #126)

Sun Dec 17, 2017, 04:55 PM

127. Who do you know who is directing that word at gay students at the Fashion School?

Other students? Faculty?

Maybe it isn't the dog whistle you're convinced it is.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #127)

Sun Dec 17, 2017, 04:58 PM

129. I just said it was not people AT school. Am done w your gaslighting nonsense- just like the GOP....

 

We see you.

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Response to bettyellen (Reply #129)

Sun Dec 17, 2017, 05:33 PM

137. You said "I guess going to Fashion school I notice it more than the average person. Weird."

So I thought you were hearing it at Fashion school, and I asked you who was saying it. You still haven't answered, other than to say you've heard it in books and movies.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #137)

Sun Dec 17, 2017, 05:53 PM

138. You didnt realize fashion schools (as well as the industry)generally have a large contingent of gay

 

men? This is news to you? If it is, it’s kind of amazing you have opinions to share about homophobia. At least you admit again and again you’re coming at this from a place of deep ignorance. That’s interesting.

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Response to bettyellen (Reply #138)

Sun Dec 17, 2017, 06:11 PM

147. That's not what I said. I asked you who was saying it at the Fashion school, because that's

what I thought you meant when you said you "noticed" it there. I still don't know what you meant.

But I hope you realize that gay men are also doctors, lawyers, physicists and police officers. There are gay men in every profession.

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Response to Skittles (Reply #20)

Sat Dec 16, 2017, 08:09 PM

59. I dont always prance, but when I do,

people take notes.

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Response to swimboy (Reply #59)

Sat Dec 16, 2017, 08:15 PM

60. LOL

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Response to bettyellen (Reply #1)

Sat Dec 16, 2017, 05:18 PM

29. I have a feeling Doug Jones used a word he thought would resonate with Alabama voters.

Looks like his judgement was sound on this one.

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Response to bettyellen (Reply #1)

Sat Dec 16, 2017, 05:28 PM

34. It pulled the legs out from under Moore's masculinity act.

So, yeah... it worked.

Jones won without having to be more 'manly'. I think that is progress.

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Response to tinrobot (Reply #34)

Sat Dec 16, 2017, 05:37 PM

37. It did for exactly that reason. It's just not something I love hearing....

 

But I agree it added something to the accusation of him being a fake.

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Response to bettyellen (Reply #1)

Sat Dec 16, 2017, 06:01 PM

42. Isn't there a word for "ineffectively macho?"

Because "effeminate" isn't it.

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Response to dchill (Reply #42)

Sat Dec 16, 2017, 06:08 PM

43. We both know a dozen words linked to females that are used to shame men.... after last year,

 

Do we really need to be spelling them out again?

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Response to bettyellen (Reply #43)

Sat Dec 16, 2017, 06:10 PM

44. I'm just looking for a better word.

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Response to dchill (Reply #44)

Sat Dec 16, 2017, 06:12 PM

45. well if you find one that doesn't denigrate the feminine, let me know.

 

I am alien to the idea that a lot of "macho" is a great attribute for a law maker. It usually impairs a person's judgment. But yeah, that worked on a few of THAT audience.

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Response to bettyellen (Reply #45)

Sat Dec 16, 2017, 06:17 PM

47. Well, to me, "macho" is a synonym for "masculinely stupid."

The word I'm looking for would just emphasize that in describing these hollow jerks.

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Response to dchill (Reply #47)

Sun Dec 17, 2017, 04:30 PM

114. And that word would not have resonated with the bigots, so thats awesome!

 

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Response to bettyellen (Reply #43)

Sat Dec 16, 2017, 06:27 PM

49. N/T

My Gawd !

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Response to dchill (Reply #42)

Sat Dec 16, 2017, 07:38 PM

53. Flaccid. Impotent. Puny.

Inadequate. Worm.

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Response to BlancheSplanchnik (Reply #53)

Sat Dec 16, 2017, 09:53 PM

69. Okay, but none of those indicate the "but really trying" aspect.

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Response to dchill (Reply #69)

Sat Dec 16, 2017, 10:18 PM

70. How bout dis?

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Response to BlancheSplanchnik (Reply #70)

Sun Dec 17, 2017, 01:02 AM

76. You've inspired me. How about "man-fail?"

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Response to dchill (Reply #76)

Sun Dec 17, 2017, 12:03 PM

93. Its intreating we have to try to make up new words - weve relied on the denigration of others too

 

Long.

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Response to bettyellen (Reply #1)

Sat Dec 16, 2017, 07:09 PM

51. How is "prancing" feminizing?

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Response to JenniferJuniper (Reply #51)

Sat Dec 16, 2017, 10:39 PM

71. True... it is usually a term used for show horses.

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Response to JenniferJuniper (Reply #51)

Sun Dec 17, 2017, 01:03 PM

98. Sort of in the same way that 'strutting' might suggest the masculine.

 


"Trudging across the stage" might also suggest a masculine figure, while "floating across the stage" might suggest a feminine figure. Also 'dainty' or 'willowy' suggest the feminine. 'dapper' suggests the masculine..

Like that.

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Response to vkkv (Reply #98)

Sun Dec 17, 2017, 04:16 PM

111. Is it me or are several people playing dumb here? Now theyre saying hes talking about a horse?

 

Jesus, it’s mildly homophobic. And not really what we want to hear from leaders on the national stage. But I know a lot of people want to cater to the fragile egos of Trump supporters... no matter how alienating that is to the base.

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Response to bettyellen (Reply #111)

Sun Dec 17, 2017, 07:53 PM

149. Moore rode a horse to the voting polling place, but I don't there was a horse on the stage with him

 


and his tiny gun, of which Jones was making fun of.

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Response to bettyellen (Reply #1)

Sun Dec 17, 2017, 01:07 AM

77. Yep. Moore did his act to show how strong, powerful and manly

 

he is. Moore did that to appeal to the "sexist assholes."

Doug pointed out that the masculinity was an act, that it wasn't real.

Doug Jones was right to do it.

It wasn't so much feminizing as honest.

I'm a woman. I don't prance. No one would ever describe me as prancing. I don't really see the word as particularly feminine, yet it detracts from the image of masculinity. It is more a word that suggests dishonesty or pretense or someone who is acting in a precious way. As I recall, "precious" was a well loved word in Alabama.

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Response to bettyellen (Reply #1)

Sun Dec 17, 2017, 10:11 AM

87. This female does not consider "prancing" or "costume"

as feminine words. Horses prance, dancers prance, reindeer prance and lots of different people wear costumes.

I thought it was just ridicule and do not consider that feminizing.

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Response to TNNurse (Reply #87)

Sun Dec 17, 2017, 11:36 AM

89. I guess no one remembers its use to (negatively) imply homosexuality?

 

Jeeze I guess I watch to many old movies, LOL.

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Response to bettyellen (Reply #89)

Sun Dec 17, 2017, 12:45 PM

95. I thought he looked foolish and silly, and

Of course a threat waving that gun around. Neither femininity or homosexuality came to mind. I prefer idiotic. I think he has verified that with the refusal to concede.

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Response to bettyellen (Reply #1)

Sun Dec 17, 2017, 10:57 AM

88. Well...we did not learn anything...the point is...it works...

 

Play on the field! Repuks are emotional thinkers..you can only change there opinions by making them feel bad about their current opinion. Don't address information...criticize and ridicule them.

The van jones approach might feel good....but it sucks....ie-does not work

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Response to mentalslavery (Reply #88)

Sun Dec 17, 2017, 12:02 PM

92. Yeah , its an approach that resonates with sexist homophobic troglodytes - youre right.....

 

And the next logical thought is- what could go wrong with that? Outside of Alabama, out in the liberal sphere we live in?

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Response to bettyellen (Reply #92)

Sun Dec 17, 2017, 02:08 PM

104. Yep.. its a way to trick the bama's into voting democratic

 

and we would not use it outside of bama.....play on the field! Thats what that means....

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Response to mentalslavery (Reply #104)

Sun Dec 17, 2017, 04:19 PM

112. Thats all I am saying- its not something that works nationally, just places steeped in misogyny

 

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Response to bettyellen (Reply #1)

Sun Dec 17, 2017, 12:13 PM

94. I don't see how using the word "prancing" is feminizing him & as a woman I'm

very sensitive to using female-as-insult. The way Jones used it illustrated how phony Moore's whole shtick was.

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Response to catbyte (Reply #94)

Sun Dec 17, 2017, 01:33 PM

100. Of course such use of language is immature, but there is a long history of

 


using the contrary, in some cases, to belittle someone -or to suggest something contrary to how they might perceive themselves.

Example - It no insult to suggest a female is feminine but to describe a female as masculine in some way could be offensive, yes?
Same in vice-versa.

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Response to bettyellen (Reply #1)

Sun Dec 17, 2017, 01:50 PM

103. I don't see any word or term in this

Article referring to or inferring anything female specific. Men pran

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Response to bettyellen (Reply #1)

Sun Dec 17, 2017, 02:13 PM

105. Why not feminize and mock these misogynist pigs who like to pretend they are tough?

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Response to bettyellen (Reply #1)

Sun Dec 17, 2017, 03:31 PM

108. Saying that a man is"wearing a cowboy suit" is not feminizing. It is reducing the target

to a child.

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Response to Nitram (Reply #108)

Sun Dec 17, 2017, 04:33 PM

115. I meant the use of prancing.... its an old homophobic dog whistle.

 

But I guess a lot of people here LIKE it enough to pretend it referred to the horse and not the man.

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Response to bettyellen (Reply #115)

Sun Dec 17, 2017, 04:48 PM

122. I guess I'm not up on my homophobic pejoratives. I haven't been around homophobes since I left home

more than 40 years ago. The prancing sounded like exactly what a small boy in a cowboy suit would do when he was pretending to ride a horse. I did it myself. Jones infantilized him.

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Response to Nitram (Reply #122)

Sun Dec 17, 2017, 04:51 PM

124. Sadly, Ive heard them a lot- even in NYC- because I went to fashion school and yeah it is a dog

 

Whistle. And now I’ve been accused of insulting women and hanging out w homophobes. This is some twisted shit. BTW, you probably know some homophobes and if you went to Alabama or where you came from you’d hear that shit again. Thank god it’s a lot less than it was 20-30 years ago. But it’s still there.

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Response to Nitram (Reply #122)

Sun Dec 17, 2017, 04:56 PM

128. Exactly. He infantilized him. n/t

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #128)

Sun Dec 17, 2017, 04:59 PM

130. Wow, the connections all fly right over youre head. LOL.

 

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Response to bettyellen (Reply #130)

Sun Dec 17, 2017, 05:03 PM

131. bettyellen, there are two equally valid (unless we ask Doug Jones for clarification) interpretations

of the phrase. I'm just going with my initial reaction to reading it. You are going with yours. Neither of us is wrong, we just reacted differently.

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Response to Nitram (Reply #131)

Sun Dec 17, 2017, 05:06 PM

132. I was responding to the connection between feminizing and infantilizing a person-

 

Words and their history are important. We just went through a year of putting up w racist, sexist and homophobic dog whistles, it matters greatly to many of us.

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Response to bettyellen (Reply #132)

Sun Dec 17, 2017, 05:14 PM

133. You have multiple progressives right here disagreeing with your assertion

that Doug Jones was employing a homophobic dog whistle.

And you've provided no evidence but your opinion.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #133)

Sun Dec 17, 2017, 05:17 PM

134. You jumped the shark a while back by pretending he was referring to the horse...

 

And since then you’ve pretended gay students use it and my argument against dogwhistles are some sort of insult toward women I invented. Keep at it, you get funnier w every fake argument you post.

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Response to bettyellen (Reply #134)

Sun Dec 17, 2017, 05:24 PM

135. No bettyellen, pnwmom is right. We are not pretending, we are not dismissing the validity of

feminism, we are not being homophobic. We just don't think doug Joes was being even slightly homophobic. He was calling Moore a childish man.

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Response to Nitram (Reply #135)

Sun Dec 17, 2017, 06:09 PM

145. Youre arguing your points honestly, and dont hear the dog whistle.

 

However it is dishonest to suggest the description was about the horse. Or that I’m insulting women by mentioning that it’s an old dog whistle that denigrates men by ascribing to them behavior traditionally assigned to women. There are lots of them. Not sure why anyone would pretend it is not a thing, culturally. But it’s either deeply ignorant or dishonest.

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Response to bettyellen (Reply #134)

Sun Dec 17, 2017, 05:30 PM

136. I did NOT pretend or say or hint that gay students used it. YOU said you heard it at the Fashion

school, and I ASKED you who was using the word there, students or faculty or who?

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #136)

Sun Dec 17, 2017, 05:55 PM

139. You suggested that students or teachers were using the words. Good lord, have you ever been to a

 

Campus in a city? Like ever? There are lots of other people around the community. Imagine that!

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Response to yurbud (Original post)

Sat Dec 16, 2017, 03:50 PM

2. Brought language to a gunfight and won.

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Response to Sneederbunk (Reply #2)

Sat Dec 16, 2017, 04:21 PM

11. Language matters. Republicans have been experts at this for years.

Lottery winnings are taxed. This tax on unearned income seems fair to most people. Another tax on unearned income is the estate tax, but when it is called a "death tax" by the republicans it sounds like an unfair tax.

Environmental and workplace regulations that ensure safety are good. But call them "job killing regulations" and the same rules become bad.

Anti-choice for women becomes "pro-life" and those who are not anti-choice are "baby killers."

You can't use the n-word anymore, but you can call them "thugs" and everyone knows what you mean.

And on and on, including dog whistle language.

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Response to FuzzyRabbit (Reply #11)

Sat Dec 16, 2017, 05:10 PM

24. "religious freedom" - when referring to the "freedom" to discriminate on religious grounds

Just another one to add to your excellent list.

Also "right to work" when destroying the right to collectively bargain.

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Response to Sneederbunk (Reply #2)

Sat Dec 16, 2017, 09:07 PM

62. yep. people throw around a lot of metaphors about knives & spoons...

but this is a verbal knife.

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Response to yurbud (Original post)

Sat Dec 16, 2017, 04:03 PM

6. So . . .

 

. . . how about some similar descriptions of Trump's performances??

"strutting"
"prancing"
"raving"
"preening"
"like a carnival barker"
"like a mean teenaged girl"
"like a 2-year-old pitching a fit"

Anyone?

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Response to Sam McGee (Reply #6)

Sat Dec 16, 2017, 04:05 PM

8. Please remove the teenaged girl from the list. There are just as mean teenaged boys. n/t

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #8)

Sat Dec 16, 2017, 07:40 PM

54. Thank you. n/t

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #8)

Sat Dec 16, 2017, 08:01 PM

58. Tina Fey has it right. "Mean Girls" are a particular feminine breed unto themselves.

Yes there are "mean boys," usually characterized by bullying and physically threatening behavior. But speaking as a former teenage girl, mother of one and teacher of many, I see subtlety as pretty much lost on boys at this age. If boys instinctively have it, it doesn't work for them until after high school. Girls, if so inclined, can begin being "mean girls" as early as preschool. Maybe a defense for not being as physically strong, although some little girls CAN also bully both girls AND boys, in some cases.

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Response to Sam McGee (Reply #6)

Sat Dec 16, 2017, 04:31 PM

16. How about Putin's fluffer?

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Response to Sam McGee (Reply #6)

Sat Dec 16, 2017, 09:08 PM

63. carnival barker is too nice--it implies someone who works for a living.

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Response to Sam McGee (Reply #6)

Sat Dec 16, 2017, 09:08 PM

64. "Richie Rich pitching a fit"

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Response to yurbud (Original post)

Sat Dec 16, 2017, 04:14 PM

10. Prancing isn't a verb

EX:

Prancing is fun.

Prancing is a noun; is is the verb.

“Prancing around on a stage in cowboy suit.”

noun, preposition phrase, prepositional phrase = fragment

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Response to Piasladic (Reply #10)

Sat Dec 16, 2017, 04:21 PM

12. Grammar got run over by a reindeer

Good point.

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Response to underpants (Reply #12)

Sat Dec 16, 2017, 04:45 PM

18. lol

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Response to underpants (Reply #12)

Sat Dec 16, 2017, 05:13 PM

26. Alrighty now. You go to your room right now, smarty underpants. And BTW, you

owe me a new keyboard...stomp....stomp...gets rag to clean up beer spew....

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Response to japple (Reply #26)

Sat Dec 16, 2017, 07:35 PM

52. 😝

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Response to underpants (Reply #12)

Sat Dec 16, 2017, 05:16 PM

28. Made me laugh



Well played.

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Response to underpants (Reply #12)

Sat Dec 16, 2017, 05:59 PM

41. +1000

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Response to underpants (Reply #12)

Sun Dec 17, 2017, 10:10 AM

86. .

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Response to Piasladic (Reply #10)

Sat Dec 16, 2017, 04:38 PM

17. Subject

I think "He" is the undeclared subject (noun) and prancing is still a verb in this case.

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Response to shadowmayor (Reply #17)

Sat Dec 16, 2017, 04:52 PM

21. It really is a sentence fragment - not a sentence

Prancing is the present participle of the verb "prance".

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Response to Piasladic (Reply #10)

Sun Dec 17, 2017, 12:50 PM

96. He's prancing on stage...

 


Sure looks like a verb from where I see it... Am I wrong?

Or am I just prancing around the edges of grammar?

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Response to yurbud (Original post)

Sat Dec 16, 2017, 04:22 PM

13. "the ten-gallon hat."

That is a very good one too...Made me laugh.

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Response to yurbud (Original post)

Sat Dec 16, 2017, 04:26 PM

14. When he deliberately hurt his horse Sassy

in order to appear macho and enhance his "tough cowboy" image I say let him have it with both barrels! Is that the correct cowboy, gun toting lingo? I don't know anything about horses but those who do have said that he was hurting that poor animal and that makes him is a very cruel, abusive bastard in my opinion (on top of being a pedophile)!

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Response to BigmanPigman (Reply #14)

Sat Dec 16, 2017, 07:43 PM

55. Im with you. Definitely!

Fuck him...and save the horse he rode in on.

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Response to yurbud (Original post)

Sat Dec 16, 2017, 04:46 PM

19. I'd have called it a "Cowboy Costume", but yes, brilliant way to knock Crazy Roy down a peg or two

Also, the context of that statement was that Jones has no intention of killing the second amendment, and that he can be seen with his gun in a deer stand or duck blind and not prancing around stage in a cowboy suit.

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Response to groundloop (Reply #19)

Sat Dec 16, 2017, 05:25 PM

33. The whole idea that Alabamans are impressed with cowboy outfits

... where does that come from? There are no cowboys in Alabama and I doubt if there ever were any. You want see a cowboy, go out to Texas or New Mexico maybe.

People in Alabama are either urban, suburban or farmers in the rural counties. It's like most other states in the USA, with few exceptions. The Gulf Coast area may be slightly more relaxed because it's a vacation spot with casinos and resort hotels. However it's only relaxed for vacationers not the people who live and work there.

Roy Moore's whole schtick with the cowboy hat, the gun and his sad, pathetic horse was really ridiculous. If I lived in Alabama I'd be outraged. Instead I can just laugh at the guy and be glad that he lost.

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Response to FakeNoose (Reply #33)

Sat Dec 16, 2017, 05:41 PM

38. there are plenty of ranchers/cowboys throughout the south east

most of the western cowboys originated from those areas if they weren't Spanish/Mexican. having said that, Roy Moore is no cowboy.

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Response to yurbud (Original post)

Sat Dec 16, 2017, 05:12 PM

25. Yup. When Jones said that, it conjured up this image:

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #25)

Sat Dec 16, 2017, 07:49 PM

56. Holy Shit!

 

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Response to rgbecker (Reply #56)

Sun Dec 17, 2017, 01:00 AM

75. Sorry, maybe I should have had a warning.

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #25)

Sat Dec 16, 2017, 07:50 PM

57. Gangnam Style

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Response to japple (Reply #57)

Sun Dec 17, 2017, 12:58 AM

73. A classic.

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #25)

Sat Dec 16, 2017, 09:09 PM

65. That is actually Roy Moore in a wig.

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Response to yurbud (Reply #65)

Sun Dec 17, 2017, 12:59 AM

74. LOL

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Response to yurbud (Original post)

Sat Dec 16, 2017, 05:21 PM

31. you're right, ridicule has its place

HRC used skepticism, ignoring Trump's nonsense, or turning a "fish eye" when he would blurt something absurd.

Her handlers should have taken it one step further: ridicule.

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Response to bucolic_frolic (Reply #31)

Sat Dec 16, 2017, 09:10 PM

66. You've got to connect the dots with a wide tip marker for part of the audience

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Response to bucolic_frolic (Reply #31)

Sat Dec 16, 2017, 09:12 PM

67. I wish Hillary said what Elizabeth Warren did about his "business skills"

He could have made more money if he just put his inheritance in an index fund.

He went bankrupt running a business where addicts come in and demand to give you their money.

and so on.

He is the Kim Kardashian of politics (no offense to someone who got famous from self-made pornos).

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Response to yurbud (Original post)

Sat Dec 16, 2017, 05:36 PM

36. What surprised me most....

was his itsy bitsy gun!

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Response to mudstump (Reply #36)

Sat Dec 16, 2017, 05:46 PM

40. Bazinga! And it probably was loaded with blanks.

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Response to yurbud (Original post)

Sat Dec 16, 2017, 05:46 PM

39. When I heard that quote a week or two ago, I loved it. Perfect way to subtly put Moore down!

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Response to yurbud (Original post)

Sat Dec 16, 2017, 06:13 PM

46. I remember what David Letterman said about Bush* dressing up as a cowboy

He said if he wanted to wear a costume, he should change it up, a cowboy one day and maybe Sherlock Holmes the next...

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Response to Rhiannon12866 (Reply #46)

Sat Dec 16, 2017, 06:27 PM

50. yes indeed

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Response to Rhiannon12866 (Reply #46)

Sat Dec 16, 2017, 09:13 PM

68. Bush might not have known who Holmes was apart from the "no shit" quote

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Response to yurbud (Original post)

Sun Dec 17, 2017, 12:45 AM

72. "patriotism is not dressing up in a flight suit and prancing around on the deck of a... carrier"


Wesley Clark, 2004


''To me, patriotism is not dressing up in a flight suit and prancing around on the deck of an aircraft carrier,'' General Clark says, a reference to the president's appearance on the aircraft carrier Abraham Lincoln in May to announce the end of major military action in Iraq.

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/01/15/us/2004-campaign-stump-speech-gen-wesley-k-clark-rising-above-politics-high.html




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Response to Tactical Peek (Reply #72)

Sun Dec 17, 2017, 03:29 AM

83. You have a good memory! n/t

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #83)

Sun Dec 17, 2017, 01:20 PM

99. We should never forget his "MISSION ACCOMPLISHED" appearance

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Response to Tactical Peek (Reply #72)

Sun Dec 17, 2017, 03:11 PM

107. Damn! And of course Bush wasn't even right about the end of major military action

taking over was the easy part.

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Response to yurbud (Original post)

Sun Dec 17, 2017, 09:41 AM

85. Isn't a lot like what Don John the Con does when he names people

only done better
nice job Senator Jones

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Response to yurbud (Original post)

Sun Dec 17, 2017, 06:08 PM

144. Is he still a dem

Some of the statements jones has made since winning make me wonder which party he represents.

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