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JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
Sun Dec 10, 2017, 06:07 PM Dec 2017

How President Trumps Lies Are Different from Other People's

Trump is a liar, but so are you. Here’s the more interesting way he stands out.

My passion is single life, and that’s what I most enjoy writing about, but every once in a while, my old interest in the psychology of lying sneaks back into my life. That happened recently when I saw that reporters at the Washington Post had been keeping a tally of all of Donald Trump’s falsehoods, misleading claims, and flip-flops since becoming president.

I had studied the lies of ordinary people years ago. I learned from that research how often people lied, and what kinds of lies they told. I wondered how Trump’s ways of lying would compare to what my colleagues and I (along with other researchers) had already documented. So I coded the most recent 400 of Trump’s lies using the same categories my colleagues and I used when we coded the lies in our research.

I wrote about what I found for the Washington Post. The article generated a lot of interest. It was the most popular article at the Post for a while, and it got picked up by other newspapers and websites in the U.S. and elsewhere. It also attracted 2,000 comments in the first day. That made me think that Psychology Today readers may be interested in hearing more about this, including some other observations about Trump’s lying that I did not include in my article.

The two most important categories of lies in the studies my colleagues and I conducted were self-serving lies and kind lies. Self-serving lies help the liars get what they want and avoid what they don’t want, they help the liars look better or feel better, or they spare the liars from blame or embarrassment or anything else they don’t want to experience. Kind lies are the same, only they are told for someone else’s benefit. When people lie to help you get what you want, or make you look or feel better, or protect you from something you don’t want, they are telling you a kind lie. (You can find some examples of the different kinds of lies in my article.)

More info here: http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/living-single/201712/how-president-trump-s-lies-are-different-other-peoples?amp&__twitter_impression=true

From the same author


I study liars. I’ve never seen one like President Trump.
He tells far more lies, and far more cruel ones, than ordinary people do.


I spent the first two decades of my career as a social scientist studying liars and their lies. I thought I had developed a sense of what to expect from them. Then along came President Trump. His lies are both more frequent and more malicious than ordinary people’s.

In research beginning in the mid-1990s, when I was a professor at the University of Virginia, my colleagues and I asked 77 college students and 70 people from the nearby community to keep diaries of all the lies they told every day for a week. They handed them in to us with no names attached. We calculated participants’ rates of lying and categorized each lie as either self-serving (told to advantage the liar or protect the liar from embarrassment, blame or other undesired outcomes) or kind (told to advantage, flatter or protect someone else).

At The Washington Post, the Fact Checker feature has been tracking every false and misleading claim and flip-flop made by President Trump this year. The inclusion of misleading statements and flip-flops is consistent with the definition of lying my colleagues and I gave to our participants: “A lie occurs any time you intentionally try to mislead someone.” In the case of Trump’s claims, though, it is possible to ascertain only whether they were false or misleading, and not what the president’s intentions were. (And while the subjects of my research self-reported how often they lied, Trump’s falsehoods were tallied by The Post.)


I categorized the most recent 400 lies that The Post had documented through mid-November in the same way my colleagues and I had categorized the lies of the participants in our study


http://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/i-study-liars-ive-never-seen-one-like-president-trump/2017/12/07/4e529efe-da3f-11e7-a841-2066faf731ef_story.html?hpid=hp_hp-cards_hp-posteverything%3Ahomepage%2Fcard&utm_term=.78d4f756c05b

Says Trump easily outpaces the biggest liars in the research study.

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How President Trumps Lies Are Different from Other People's (Original Post) JonLP24 Dec 2017 OP
Another interesting study would be.......... MyOwnPeace Dec 2017 #1
Trump isn't all that unusual-- he's a bullshitter. He has no interest in what reality may be... TreasonousBastard Dec 2017 #2
In addition to lying constantly, he tells mean lies about other people way more than most do. Shrike47 Dec 2017 #3

MyOwnPeace

(16,909 posts)
1. Another interesting study would be..........
Sun Dec 10, 2017, 06:19 PM
Dec 2017

why isn't the MSM covering them - calling him out - headlining all of them - and why won't any politicians stand up and call it like is it - he's a PROFESSIONAL LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!!

My God, how much more of this do we have to take?

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
2. Trump isn't all that unusual-- he's a bullshitter. He has no interest in what reality may be...
Sun Dec 10, 2017, 06:28 PM
Dec 2017

he just spouts off with what sounds good to him at the time.

Carnival barker.

Pretty good article here:

https://blogs.psychcentral.com/caregivers/2014/09/6-subtle-characteristics-of-the-pathological-liar/

6 Subtle Characteristics of The Pathological Liar
By Támara Hill, MS, LPC

Have you ever communicated with a person who seemed to live in a fantasy world where everything said felt false or exaggerated? Have you ever had an experience with a person who always seems mysterious and nothing they say ever comes to fusion? Well…if so, you might have been dealing with a sociopath, narcissist, or even a pathological liar. This article will discuss 6 important characteristics we should all be aware of with the pathological liar.

Pathological lying (PL) has been defined by the Psychiatric Times as a “long history (maybe lifelong history) of frequent and repeated lying for which no apparent psychological motive or external benefit can be discerned.” There is no real consensus on what pathological lying is and many people have developed their own definition. Pathological lying is something that has negatively affected many people, even professionals, who are often unaware of the psychiatric instability or personality disorder of the liar. For example, in one of my previous articles I focused on Judge Patrick Couwenberg, a Superior Court Judge of California, who lied repeatedly while serving the public. The former Judge maintained the lie that he was a Caltech graduate, a wounded war veteran, and a CIA operative in the 1960s. All of these statements were easily identified by his peers as unreliable and inconsistent, but Couwenberg continued to attempt to evade others. He was later removed for “willful and prejudicial misconduct” for lying about attending Caltech. This education was critical to his Judicial position.

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Shrike47

(6,913 posts)
3. In addition to lying constantly, he tells mean lies about other people way more than most do.
Sun Dec 10, 2017, 06:56 PM
Dec 2017

Yep, nailed it.

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