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Sat Nov 11, 2017, 12:37 AM

How to Fix the Democratic Party

It’s time we come together to enact real reform—only then can we defeat Donald Trump and retake the country.

*Last year, Secretary Hillary Clinton and I agreed upon the need for a Unity Reform Commission to move the party in a new and more democratic direction. In a few weeks, this group will have its final meeting in Washington, D.C., and will decide if we are going to move forward in an inclusive way or continue with the current failed approach.

This is not some abstract, insular debate. The future of Democratic Party institutions has everything to do with whether or not Democrats have the grass-roots energy to effectively take on Trump, the Republican Party and their reactionary agenda—or whether we remain in the minority.

What are some of the reforms that are desperately needed?

First, it is absurd that the Democratic Party now gives over 700 superdelegates—almost one-third the number a presidential candidate needs to win the nomination—the power to control the nominating process and ignore the will of voters. . .

Finally, if we are to succeed, we must fully appreciate Brazile’s revelations and understand the need for far more transparency in the financial and policy workings of the Democratic Party. Hundreds of millions of dollars flow in and out of the Democratic National Committee with little to no accountability. That simply is not acceptable.

At a time when we have a Republican president and Republican Party whose leadership and agenda are strongly opposed by the American people, now is the time for real change. It is critical that we come together and reform the Democratic Party. When we do that, we will win local, state and national elections and transform our country.'

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/11/10/bernie-sanders-how-to-fix-democratic-party-215813

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elleng Nov 11 OP
LonePirate Nov 11 #1
elleng Nov 11 #3
SharonClark Nov 11 #15
yurbud Nov 11 #16
elleng Nov 11 #20
lapucelle Nov 11 #32
InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 11 #38
lapucelle Nov 11 #47
delisen Nov 11 #79
emulatorloo Nov 11 #50
Pope George Ringo II Nov 11 #5
elleng Nov 11 #8
InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 11 #26
elleng Nov 11 #27
InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 11 #37
elleng Nov 11 #41
LonePirate Nov 11 #30
elleng Nov 11 #42
The Polack MSgt Nov 11 #57
emulatorloo Nov 11 #73
guillaumeb Nov 11 #53
SandyZ Nov 11 #2
elleng Nov 11 #4
guillaumeb Nov 11 #55
defacto7 Nov 11 #66
msongs Nov 11 #6
elleng Nov 11 #7
LuvLoogie Nov 11 #11
lapucelle Nov 11 #33
emulatorloo Nov 11 #88
defacto7 Nov 11 #68
elleng Nov 11 #90
defacto7 Nov 11 #91
lapucelle Nov 11 #92
LuvLoogie Nov 11 #9
Docreed2003 Nov 11 #10
elleng Nov 11 #21
Docreed2003 Nov 11 #24
Control-Z Nov 11 #12
elleng Nov 11 #22
NCDem777 Nov 11 #13
yurbud Nov 11 #17
NCDem777 Nov 11 #18
SharonClark Nov 11 #19
InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 11 #39
delisen Nov 11 #83
lapucelle Nov 11 #95
lapucelle Nov 11 #94
lapucelle Nov 11 #97
yurbud Nov 11 #93
delisen Nov 12 #99
yurbud Nov 13 #109
yurbud Thursday #111
emulatorloo Nov 11 #45
delisen Nov 11 #81
SharonClark Nov 11 #14
elleng Nov 11 #23
murielm99 Nov 11 #25
elleng Nov 11 #28
lapucelle Nov 11 #48
George Eliot Nov 11 #29
lapucelle Nov 11 #35
George Eliot Thursday #110
elleng Nov 11 #43
Me. Nov 11 #31
lapucelle Nov 11 #34
Me. Nov 11 #40
lapucelle Nov 11 #46
Me. Nov 11 #49
Nitram Nov 11 #36
emulatorloo Nov 11 #44
lapucelle Nov 11 #56
emulatorloo Nov 11 #60
delisen Nov 11 #84
Squinch Nov 11 #51
guillaumeb Nov 11 #52
elleng Nov 11 #54
lapucelle Nov 11 #58
guillaumeb Nov 11 #64
lapucelle Nov 11 #75
delisen Nov 12 #100
guillaumeb Nov 12 #108
emulatorloo Nov 11 #61
guillaumeb Nov 11 #65
emulatorloo Nov 11 #69
guillaumeb Nov 11 #71
Me. Nov 11 #70
guillaumeb Nov 11 #72
Me. Nov 11 #74
lapucelle Nov 11 #77
Me. Nov 11 #82
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emulatorloo Nov 11 #62
comradebillyboy Nov 11 #63
emulatorloo Nov 11 #67
defacto7 Nov 11 #76
emulatorloo Nov 11 #80
defacto7 Nov 11 #85
emulatorloo Nov 11 #86
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emulatorloo Nov 11 #89
samnsara Nov 11 #78
lapucelle Nov 11 #96
StevieM Nov 11 #98
Madam45for2923 Nov 12 #101
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Madam45for2923 Nov 12 #103
lapucelle Nov 12 #106
Madam45for2923 Nov 12 #107
beachbum bob Nov 12 #104
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Response to elleng (Original post)

Sat Nov 11, 2017, 12:40 AM

1. If Bernie wants to fix the Democratic Party, he needs to join it. Otherwise, he needs to shut up.

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Response to LonePirate (Reply #1)

Sat Nov 11, 2017, 12:46 AM

3. STOP IT,

and try to help.

'Last year, Secretary Hillary Clinton and I agreed upon the need for a Unity Reform Commission to move the party in a new and more democratic direction. In a few weeks, this group will have its final meeting in Washington, D.C., and will decide if we are going to move forward in an inclusive way or continue with the current failed approach.'

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Response to elleng (Reply #3)

Sat Nov 11, 2017, 02:14 AM

15. STOP IT

You're not helping by shoving non-Democrat Sanders down people throats.

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Response to SharonClark (Reply #15)

Sat Nov 11, 2017, 02:30 AM

16. if you shut out Sanders and people like him, their won't be a Democratic Party worth joining

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Response to yurbud (Reply #16)

Sat Nov 11, 2017, 11:16 AM

20. THANKS, yurbud.

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Response to yurbud (Reply #16)

Sat Nov 11, 2017, 01:42 PM

32. Many of us registered as Democrats long before 2015 and

old school Democrats had a GREAT night on Tuesday.

It's always awkward when a pre-written, predictive narrative is proven false by the actual facts.

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Response to yurbud (Reply #16)

Sat Nov 11, 2017, 02:36 PM

38. Exactly!! Believe me, I've tried driving the point home...

Without bringing a large percentage of
Independents to our cause - the LARGEST of the three major voting blocks - no Democrat can win.

So, why diss the most popular Independent of our time, one who caucuses and votes with Democrats close to 100% of the time, and risk alienating Bernie's multitude of supporters?

Makes no sense!!

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Response to InAbLuEsTaTe (Reply #38)

Sat Nov 11, 2017, 03:29 PM

47. Democrats did bring Independents in on Tuesday.

That's why Democrats won.

My county (with a population greater than that of the state of New Hampshire) went BLUE for the first time in many, many years on Tuesday. The "you can't win without us" faction didn't lift a finger to help.

Kudos to Tom Perez and the DNC for turning the page.

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Response to InAbLuEsTaTe (Reply #38)

Sat Nov 11, 2017, 04:41 PM

79. Independents are diverse.There is no

Independent Party at the present time. Possibly Sanders fans could organize such a party

Independent voters are unorganized -some lean Democratic, some lean Republican, some are ardent Trump supporters, some are neo nazis and so on. democrats do receive large numbers of independent votes.

We are not alienating people who register or identify themselves themselves as independent to pollsters.

Sanders supporters were unable to score him a primary win when he ran as a democrat. Possibly if he were to run as an independent in primaries he will be more successful.





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Response to yurbud (Reply #16)

Sat Nov 11, 2017, 03:43 PM

50. Nobody's shutting Bernie out of the Democratic Party. That's Bernie's choice.

And his prerogative.

As you know he caucuses with Dems, and the party would welcome him if he chose to join the Democratic Party. He doesn't want to. And that's his choice.

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Response to LonePirate (Reply #1)

Sat Nov 11, 2017, 12:51 AM

5. It's really pretty simple.

Pick one of those options. Not both. One.

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Response to Pope George Ringo II (Reply #5)

Sat Nov 11, 2017, 01:13 AM

8. Welcome to DU.

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Response to LonePirate (Reply #1)

Sat Nov 11, 2017, 12:54 PM

26. That attitude is gonna fix things REAL quick... not.

Time to unify. And guess what? To win elections, you need INDEPENDENTS... a larger voting block than Democrats and Rethuglicans. So, how bout treating the most popular Independent politician with a little respect.

Don't think that's too much to ask for the sake of unity.

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Response to InAbLuEsTaTe (Reply #26)

Sat Nov 11, 2017, 01:10 PM

27. Thanks, InAbLu.

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Response to elleng (Reply #27)

Sat Nov 11, 2017, 02:31 PM

37. You're welcome ellen... winning hearts and minds, one DUer at a time! haha!

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Response to InAbLuEsTaTe (Reply #37)

Sat Nov 11, 2017, 03:02 PM

41. One hopes!

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Response to InAbLuEsTaTe (Reply #26)

Sat Nov 11, 2017, 01:25 PM

30. This is Democratic Underground not Independent Underground.

Unity would be him joining our party, not offering drive by advice which is little more than consulting with foxes about hen house security.

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Response to LonePirate (Reply #30)

Sat Nov 11, 2017, 03:05 PM

42. So no independent-minded people should pay attention to his admonition, I guess.

DON'T pay attention, please:

'Last year, Secretary Hillary Clinton and I agreed upon the need for a Unity Reform Commission to move the party in a new and more democratic direction. In a few weeks, this group will have its final meeting in Washington, D.C., and will decide if we are going to move forward in an inclusive way or continue with the current failed approach.

This is not some abstract, insular debate. The future of Democratic Party institutions has everything to do with whether or not Democrats have the grass-roots energy to effectively take on Trump, the Republican Party and their reactionary agenda—or whether we remain in the minority.

What are some of the reforms that are desperately needed?

First, it is absurd that the Democratic Party now gives over 700 superdelegates.'

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Response to InAbLuEsTaTe (Reply #26)

Sat Nov 11, 2017, 03:54 PM

57. Unify wth WHO?

We need to change to accomodate people who hold us in disdain?

That's the new definition of unity?

If your holding out for a response that is basically "we surrender what we've been for the last 30 years so people who've avoided us for 30 years will FINALLY LOVE US!"

Well. Be prepared to be disappointed

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Response to InAbLuEsTaTe (Reply #26)

Sat Nov 11, 2017, 04:32 PM

73. Well if Bernie were to join the party that would be a nice step towards unity too.

I used to think it didn't matter, but at seems at this point he is just being stubborn and contrarian. His choice of course though.

Party leadership has embraced him, why not join?

Do you have a good argument as to why he shouldn't?

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Response to LonePirate (Reply #1)

Sat Nov 11, 2017, 03:49 PM

53. See #52

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Response to elleng (Original post)

Sat Nov 11, 2017, 12:40 AM

2. Lets start with a non Democrat not telling Democrats what they need to do.

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Response to SandyZ (Reply #2)

Sat Nov 11, 2017, 12:47 AM

4. Work on helping, just TRY.

'Last year, Secretary Hillary Clinton and I agreed upon the need for a Unity Reform Commission to move the party in a new and more democratic direction. In a few weeks, this group will have its final meeting in Washington, D.C., and will decide if we are going to move forward in an inclusive way or continue with the current failed approach.'

Welcome to DU.

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Response to SandyZ (Reply #2)

Sat Nov 11, 2017, 03:50 PM

55. So Sanders cannot offer advice?

It is obvious that leading Democratic politicians value his advice.

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Response to SandyZ (Reply #2)

Sat Nov 11, 2017, 04:05 PM

66. Maybe start with people helping people figure out

what everyone needs to do to get rid of Trump and the GOP.

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Response to elleng (Original post)

Sat Nov 11, 2017, 12:53 AM

6. for those who haven't figured it out this OP is all quotes of a non democrat nt

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Response to msongs (Reply #6)

Sat Nov 11, 2017, 01:13 AM

7. who works with Democrats, often,

and has maintained Democratic goals and values for his entire career. If we don't recognize and take advantage of this fact, we suffer.

'Last year, Secretary Hillary Clinton and I agreed upon the need for a Unity Reform Commission to move the party in a new and more democratic direction. In a few weeks, this group will have its final meeting in Washington, D.C., and will decide if we are going to move forward in an inclusive way or continue with the current failed approach.'

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Response to elleng (Reply #7)

Sat Nov 11, 2017, 01:16 AM

11. quit spamming the board

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Response to elleng (Reply #7)

Sat Nov 11, 2017, 01:47 PM

33. Interesting that some who pick and choose when to work with Democrats

chose not to work with Democrats in VA or Nassau County, NY for this year's election, and Democrats performed brilliantly.

Kudos to Tom Perez. I hope he stays with the winning formula.

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Response to elleng (Reply #7)

Sat Nov 11, 2017, 05:36 PM

88. Only "failed approach" I've seen lately was OFA's attempt to throw shade on Northam.

Happily voters did not buy that.

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Response to msongs (Reply #6)

Sat Nov 11, 2017, 04:14 PM

68. But it's can't be about labels, it's about content.

Arguing labels is counter productive. It almost sounds like nationalism only the Democratic party. What would that be, partyism? Argue the content if you must.

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Response to defacto7 (Reply #68)

Sat Nov 11, 2017, 06:05 PM

90. Thanks, defacto7.

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Response to elleng (Reply #90)

Sat Nov 11, 2017, 06:28 PM

91. You're very welcome, elleng.

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Response to defacto7 (Reply #68)

Sat Nov 11, 2017, 06:55 PM

92. As to the merits of the content...

"Finally, if we are to succeed, we must fully appreciate Brazile’s revelations and understand the need for far more transparency in the financial and policy workings of the Democratic Party. Hundreds of millions of dollars flow in and out of the Democratic National Committee with little to no accountability. That simply is not acceptable."

I think that Democrats fully appreciate Brazile's revelations and are appalled that an interim chair neither understood the limits of her own power nor had any problem issuing threats to overturn the will of the people based on her misperceptions:

As per WaPo based on their advanced copy of "Hack",

"Whenever Brazile got frustrated with Clinton’s aides, she writes, she would remind them that the DNC charter empowered her to initiate the replacement of the nominee."

As for Donna et alia not understanding why money raised by JFA with individual state parties was deposited in seperate accounts, they need to review the federal statute that requires that that money be held in that manner until the loser concedes to the winner of the nomination. It does not inspire confidence that these people seem to have no idea how JFA's actually work.

And although it is true that the superdelegates have the theoretical power "to control the nominating process and ignore the will of voters", if it did not happen in 2016 amid all the personal threats, I doubt it will ever happen.

I do agree that we need greater financial transparency from candidates regarding their personal finances.

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Response to elleng (Original post)

Sat Nov 11, 2017, 01:15 AM

9. Join it and vote for Democrats.

Stop undermining Democratic Solidarity by trying to disintegrate its structure and dilute its strength with dubious agendas.

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Response to elleng (Original post)

Sat Nov 11, 2017, 01:15 AM

10. K&R cause I love you Mom!!!!!

At least I consider you my DU mom!!!

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Response to Docreed2003 (Reply #10)

Sat Nov 11, 2017, 11:18 AM

21. Oh Doc, thanks!

Already mom to a couple, and gramma to a few, happy we're together!

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Response to elleng (Reply #21)

Sat Nov 11, 2017, 11:24 AM

24. Absolutely!!! Love your insight and wisdom!

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Response to elleng (Original post)

Sat Nov 11, 2017, 01:39 AM

12. Damn, I miss the unrec button. eom

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Response to Control-Z (Reply #12)

Sat Nov 11, 2017, 11:19 AM

22. Then don't read 'unfavored' items, SIMPLE.

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Response to elleng (Original post)

Sat Nov 11, 2017, 02:03 AM

13. Usually I'm in his corner

but he misses a key thing: Embrace the anti-war movement. Even when Dems do have control. When the GOP starts salivating for war, we have to hold our ground.

Dems were all keen about being anti-war, getting us out of the various tribal conflicts in the Middle East when Bush was in office. But when we were in office, we ramped it up. We helped create a huge refugee crisis that caused a rightward shift in Europe. And caused the anti-war movement to stay home.

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Response to NCDem777 (Reply #13)

Sat Nov 11, 2017, 02:31 AM

17. Hillary seemed pretty keen about war as senator, sec. of state, & as candidate

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Response to yurbud (Reply #17)

Sat Nov 11, 2017, 04:12 AM

18. And where'd that get us?

Pro-war Dems can't win the Presidency. Had she been anti-war, not only would she be President, Nazis in Europe would not have forced Brexit and gained power elsewhere.

We NEED the anti-war movement behind us again. Starting more wars but not being racist assholes about it doesn't cut it.

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Response to NCDem777 (Reply #18)

Sat Nov 11, 2017, 02:44 PM

39. A candidate who's not anti-war is a HUGE strike...

think of all those progressive agenda items those TRILLIONS of dollars wasted on the Iraq War - just one example - by those who supported it, could have paid for.

It's sad... not to mention infuriating!!!

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Response to InAbLuEsTaTe (Reply #39)

Sat Nov 11, 2017, 05:00 PM

83. Are you able to forgive Biden & Kerry for their War vote

that is their Iraq War Resolution vote?

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Response to delisen (Reply #83)

Sat Nov 11, 2017, 10:00 PM

95. And John Edwards as well.

That's why it's called a double standard.

How about a moratorium on military boondoggle projects like the F-35 jet, a stealth fighter that can't actually fight. A $1.5 trillion pork project like this is the military-industrial complex's very best friend. Think of the economic justice that could be levied if that money wasn't funding the pet projects of politicians.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/air-force-admits-our-new-stealth-fighter-cant-fight

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Response to InAbLuEsTaTe (Reply #39)

Sat Nov 11, 2017, 09:48 PM

94. We need to stop pork spending on war machines like the F-35 fighter jets.

There are better ways to spend $1.5 trillion dollars.

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Response to InAbLuEsTaTe (Reply #39)

Sat Nov 11, 2017, 10:28 PM

97. It's not too late to call elected officials and insist they stop funding the F-35 fighter jet.

The project is a pork-laden boondoggle whose estimated cost is $1.5 trillion dollars.

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Response to NCDem777 (Reply #18)

Sat Nov 11, 2017, 08:29 PM

93. she forgot that her biggest difference with Obama in 2008 was Iraq

or maybe she had bigger priorities than winning.

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Response to yurbud (Reply #93)

Sun Nov 12, 2017, 07:16 AM

99. Biggest difference? "she forgot" ?

It is impossible to know whether Obama would have voted with Biden, Kerry, Edwards, and Clinton after receiving intelligence reports re the 9/11/2001 attacks.

As president Obama was also Commander in Chief of our armed forces, and did take military action as presumably he deemed appropriate.

The double standard regarding women in positions of power is something Clinton has fought for decades.

Clinton's work on the worldwide fight for equality is unmatched-whether it was for human rights for women or democracy in Russia (a stand that earned her the wrath of anti-democracy Putin).

Bold stands in the cause freedom, justice, and equality are often not popular stands.

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Response to delisen (Reply #99)

Mon Nov 13, 2017, 07:40 AM

109. No. Even if Saddam had what Bush claimed, it would have been suicidal for him to

use WMD on us or even on Israel.

CIA director George Tenet was forced to say that even if Saddam had nukes, he would only use them if we were invading and he was in danger of losing power.

Likewise, it would be foolish for any leader of a country to give terrorists nukes since they lose control of them the minute they leave their hands but would still be responsible for wherever they were detonated, and if the leader changed their relationship with us, they can't exactly keep terrorists from still using it.

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Response to delisen (Reply #99)

Thu Nov 16, 2017, 08:38 PM

111. I would prefer our leaders work on human rights in our ALLIES first like SAUDI ARABIA

who Clinton herself admitted in her emails was the biggest state sponsor of terrorism, and who the Joint Congressional Inquiry into 9/11 said gave extensive financial and operational support to the 9/11 hijackers.

You are confusing propaganda for foreign policies with actual causes and goals.

Please read Stephen Kinzer's OVERTHROW, John Perkins' CONFESSIONS OF AN ECONOMIC HITMAN, Naomi Klein's SHOCK DOCTRINE, or hell, even Zbigniew Brzezinski's THE GRAND CHESSBOARD.

Wars, coups, and who we make alliances with have little to do with democracy and human rights and everything to do with making the already very wealthy even wealthier and protecting their foreign investments.

The rest is just propaganda.

Ask the people of Iraq, Libya, Syria if they feel like they have more human rights as they dig through the rubble, or the people of Honduras or the Donbass after we backed coups against elected governments.

Saying that Hillary voted like those men did does not give her cover. It reminds everyone that they made a cynical political calculation that cost thousands of lives of our troops and likely over a million Iraqi lies.

Democratic Party leaders would do well to listen to their base instead of the "bipartisan consensus" for regime change, especially in countries that can fight back.

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Response to yurbud (Reply #17)

Sat Nov 11, 2017, 03:20 PM

45. OP only mentions Hillary as Sanders partner for Democratic Unity. Primary 2016's over, bud

Sanders writes about unity, you get all "whataboutism" on us and bring up stale memes from the primary.

I will remind you that Bernie is not a pacifist.

BTW there was not much daylight on foreign policy between Bernie and HRC during debates. Lots of 'I agree w Senator Clinton', "I agree with Senator Sanders". Incompetent Comic Book Ideologue had to manufacture fake differences to throw red meat.

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Response to yurbud (Reply #17)

Sat Nov 11, 2017, 04:54 PM

81. She seemed very interested in justice around the world.

Very much like FDR who wanted, and figured out ways, to intervene when Europe and England were under the threat and actual attack by Nazi Germany.

He was constantly fighting the isolationists of both his own party and Republicans.

Finally and inevitably we were attacked and the appeasers and isolationists had little choice but to act.

Clinton has also been very busy for a long time on human rights, equality, healthcare. Her body of work is remarkable.







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Response to elleng (Original post)

Sat Nov 11, 2017, 02:10 AM

14. Trying catching up

This is the third or fourth article in the last few days about the same damn thing. Are you expecting different responses?

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Response to SharonClark (Reply #14)

Sat Nov 11, 2017, 11:21 AM

23. I tend to avoid such,

as don't like contentious matters.

MAYBE some will learn somethings.

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Response to elleng (Reply #23)

Sat Nov 11, 2017, 12:45 PM

25. If you don't like contentious matters,

why did you post something critical of Democrats, something from a non-Democrat?

How many times does this have to be posted?

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Response to murielm99 (Reply #25)

Sat Nov 11, 2017, 01:10 PM

28. It is not critical of Democrats,

it suggests ways to improve the way we do business. As I've said, I haven't read the other similar pieces.

AND, as to a 'non-Democrat,' as I've said, he has maintained Democratic goals and values for his entire career. If we don't recognize and take advantage of this fact, we suffer.

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Response to elleng (Reply #23)

Sat Nov 11, 2017, 03:38 PM

48. Yes, one would hope that everyone had learned Tuesday's lessons.

Alas...

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Response to elleng (Original post)

Sat Nov 11, 2017, 01:11 PM

29. Thanks elleng-messenging works--yours is smart and democratic in the true sense of the word

We are not playing sports here and joining together in the best interests of the people is what Sanders is saying. Too much Monday night footbsll I think.

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Response to George Eliot (Reply #29)

Sat Nov 11, 2017, 01:59 PM

35. Many of us were watching election coverage on Monday and Tuesday,

and smiling on Wednesday.

I would recommend that it's always wiser to frame the narrative after the results are in rather than before.

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Response to lapucelle (Reply #35)

Thu Nov 16, 2017, 12:59 AM

110. Thus making the facts fit? Not sure I understand your point.

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Response to George Eliot (Reply #29)

Sat Nov 11, 2017, 03:07 PM

43. Thanks, George Eliot.

We are not playing sports here, indeed.

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Response to elleng (Original post)

Sat Nov 11, 2017, 01:29 PM

31. Before I Even Went To The Link I Knew Immediately Whose Words These Were

Why is he so fixated on the Dem Party is what I want to know? It's not the party of his choice and one he doesn't care to join. So why does he want to control the agenda? He has Our Revolution, why doesn't he involve himself with them, advise them on how to pick winning candidates and leave the business of the Dems to the Dems?

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Response to Me. (Reply #31)

Sat Nov 11, 2017, 01:54 PM

34. It's from a fundraising email

that links to a polititian's website rather than to the DNC Unity Commission page.

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Response to lapucelle (Reply #34)

Sat Nov 11, 2017, 02:48 PM

40. So Who Is He Seeking Funds From

And here are 3 other questions that article brings to mind...1. I thought they have a bucket load of money leftover so why does he have to keep fundraising for a Senate seat he's sure to win 2. who's the we he keeps referring to and 3. Isn't it time to come clean on those tax returns

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Response to Me. (Reply #40)

Sat Nov 11, 2017, 03:22 PM

46. One part says that "Donations go directly to Mr. Politicitian's

re-election campaign"; The actual donation form states : "Your contribution will benefit Mr. Politician".

Dang, I was hoping that the money would go to the help the DNC Unity Commission do its work.

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Response to lapucelle (Reply #46)

Sat Nov 11, 2017, 03:43 PM

49. Thanks

Don't think I care much for statements about money that aren't specific

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Response to elleng (Original post)

Sat Nov 11, 2017, 02:17 PM

36. The Democratic Party doesn't need fixing. We're on a roll and nothing but your negativity can stop

us.

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Response to elleng (Original post)

Sat Nov 11, 2017, 03:11 PM

44. Except Brazile fucked up, got mixed up, and her "revelations" are untrue

And she's been backpedalling ever since.

Unity? Some DU'ers need to stop promoting the false Putin-Assange "rigged primary" meme.

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Response to emulatorloo (Reply #44)

Sat Nov 11, 2017, 03:51 PM

56. ,,,

"Finally, if we are to succeed, we must fully appreciate Brazile’s revelations and understand the need for far more transparency in the financial and policy workings of the Democratic Party. Hundreds of millions of dollars flow in and out of the Democratic National Committee with little to no accountability. That simply is not acceptable."

There was full accountability of the DNC's finances as per federal statute. The DNC was legally prohibited from releasing money deposited to the states until the loser conceded.

I do agree, however, that personal financial transparency should be required of every candidate.

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Response to lapucelle (Reply #56)

Sat Nov 11, 2017, 03:57 PM

60. Agreed. Candidates who won't release their taxes should be disqualified from the primary. Also:

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We should note that "Our Revolution" is a 501c PAC which means it doesn't need to reveal its donors or how much they have given.

Agreed 100% that DNC should have more transparency. But people who live in glass houses should not throw stones.

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Response to emulatorloo (Reply #44)

Sat Nov 11, 2017, 05:03 PM

84. So the "rigged primary" claim was exposed & discredited


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Response to elleng (Original post)

Sat Nov 11, 2017, 03:46 PM

51. Ugh. Should we get Jill Stein's instructions next?

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Response to elleng (Original post)

Sat Nov 11, 2017, 03:47 PM

52. To all of the "Sanders is not a Democrat" responders here:

If you read this part:

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Last year, Secretary Hillary Clinton and I agreed upon the need for a Unity Reform Commission
to move the party in a new and more democratic direction. In a few weeks, this group will have its final meeting in Washington, D.C., and will decide if we are going to move forward in an inclusive way or continue with the current failed approach.


it is fairly obvious that, label or not, Sanders sees the Democratic Party as the best vehicle for advancing a progressive agenda.

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Response to guillaumeb (Reply #52)

Sat Nov 11, 2017, 03:50 PM

54. Thanks, guill.

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Response to guillaumeb (Reply #52)

Sat Nov 11, 2017, 03:55 PM

58. You make it sound like someone hitching a ride.

I'm not sure why anyone would be talking about the "current failed approach" after last Tuesday.

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Response to lapucelle (Reply #58)

Sat Nov 11, 2017, 04:03 PM

64. No, it is you who is framing it in this manner.

I am not sure why anyone cannot recognize that Sanders has energized voters, and that energy is resulting, so far, in an enthusiastic electorate.

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Response to guillaumeb (Reply #64)

Sat Nov 11, 2017, 04:36 PM

75. You said "vehicle", not I.

I think that BS has energized some people. I really haven't see much evidence of his having energized Democratic voters.

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Response to guillaumeb (Reply #64)

Sun Nov 12, 2017, 07:18 AM

100. I think the disaster of Trump is energizing voters.

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Response to delisen (Reply #100)

Sun Nov 12, 2017, 11:59 AM

108. I believe that there are multiple energy sources. eom

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Response to guillaumeb (Reply #52)

Sat Nov 11, 2017, 04:01 PM

61. Does he or does he not have skin in the game? At this point it seems his refusal to join the party

is just stubborn contrarianism.

I used to think it didn't matter, no need for Bernie to join.

It's still his decision of course.

If he believes in the Democratic Party as the vehicle for progressivism (and he's correct), just join the damn party. Stop standing outside, come on in!

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Response to emulatorloo (Reply #61)

Sat Nov 11, 2017, 04:04 PM

65. As the excerpt makes clear,

Sanders is working with Democratic leaders, and they are soliciting his input and help. A mutual relationship.

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Response to guillaumeb (Reply #65)

Sat Nov 11, 2017, 04:17 PM

69. Yes he's all in re working on the Unity Commision. That's why his refusal to join the party seems

like mere stubbornness and contrarianism.

Of course it is totally his prerogative. But it is started to make less and less sense to me as he becomes more dedicated and involved in the Democratic Party.

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Response to emulatorloo (Reply #69)

Sat Nov 11, 2017, 04:19 PM

71. I agree. And I still support Sanders, but I agree that he could do

just as much as a formal member of the Party. But obviously the Democratic leadership values his advice and help so I do not understand why so many seem to view it as a negative.

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Response to guillaumeb (Reply #52)

Sat Nov 11, 2017, 04:18 PM

70. "Last Year"

And how is constant carping moving the agenda forward? The only thing it's moving is people away from him.

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Response to Me. (Reply #70)

Sat Nov 11, 2017, 04:21 PM

72. The "constant carping" could also describe some of the comments here.

If we were talking about Jill Stein that would be another matter. She is obviously in politics for the publicity value.

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Response to guillaumeb (Reply #72)

Sat Nov 11, 2017, 04:34 PM

74. Are You REferring To Those Who See No Need For His Constant Criticism

It's not appreciated coming from Stein or Sarandon or any of the others who take pot shots at the Dems either. Our Revolution could use direction, why doesn't he head on over there, after all, that is his group.

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Response to Me. (Reply #74)

Sat Nov 11, 2017, 04:39 PM

77. Nina is talking about endorsing "progressive Republicans",

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Response to lapucelle (Reply #77)

Sat Nov 11, 2017, 05:00 PM

82. Well, She's Entitled If That's Where She & Her Group Stands

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After all, they are separate and not attached to or a part of the Dem party in any way whatsoever. But she also shouldn't be mistaken in thinking she has the right to make demands or determine the direction of the party. If she can find a progressive Republican (IMHO an oxymoron) good luck to her but she better be careful about being played cause so far the judgment of she and her group is close to batting zero.

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Response to elleng (Original post)

Sat Nov 11, 2017, 03:56 PM

59. Bernie made it hes not a Democrat

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Response to RandySF (Reply #59)

Sat Nov 11, 2017, 04:01 PM

62. Yes it is his choice.

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Response to elleng (Original post)

Sat Nov 11, 2017, 04:02 PM

63. When Bernie wrote that he thought Northam would lose

and the party would turn to him for salvation. Makes his and Our Revolution's lack of support for Northam more understandable.

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Response to comradebillyboy (Reply #63)

Sat Nov 11, 2017, 04:07 PM

67. I think you're on to something

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Response to elleng (Original post)

Sat Nov 11, 2017, 04:38 PM

76. Oh gawd, if don't bridge the dichotomy between

camps we're not going to beat the RW machine that got us where we are. Thinking that the wins on Tuesday were purely and singularly the power of the Democratic party on rise is not realistic. The wins on Tuesday were the disdain votes against the gop and its minions.
Yes, the Dems are going to rise but the spectrum of voter positions have changed over the last 20 years ie. lots of dying off and a lot of young voters have taken their place. We must find common ground and give up unwarrented pride in the branding.

(This is a general comment on all the previous posts in this thread. )

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Response to defacto7 (Reply #76)

Sat Nov 11, 2017, 04:45 PM

80. Top voter issues on Tuesday were affordable health care or gun laws. Democratic issues

People were voting for something not just "disdain votes"

I am going to link to Northam's Victory speech where he elucidates what we stand for.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1017465689

Please do not promote the disgusting Republican meme that Dems have no ideas except anti-Trump because it is a bald faced lie.. Thank you.

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Response to emulatorloo (Reply #80)

Sat Nov 11, 2017, 05:22 PM

85. I dont deny the top issues you mention

Being in support of affordable health care and wanting gun control is directly connected to disdain for the status quo of our gop controlled government that is denying us both.

As for your last statement:

Please do not promote the disgusting Republican meme that Dems have no ideas except anti-Trump because it is a bald faced lie.. Thank you.


I didn't promote such a thing. I did not say Dems have no ideas other than anti-trump. But the sentiment of disdain for Trump is widespread in all political camps and it's a fact. The gop know this and it's a psychological ploy to undermine an opponent by making a fact unspeakable, twisting it into a non-fact. If the gop blames anti-trump sentiment for their ills so be it. If they are twisting that point to blame Dems then it's projection on their part.
It would be a mistake for us to fall for their game by denying one fact to deflect a lie they use to shut us up.
Call a fact a fact, a lie a lie but don't obscure a fact with a lie.

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Response to defacto7 (Reply #85)

Sat Nov 11, 2017, 05:30 PM

86. Take a look at the Northam speech. It is full of Democratic positive message

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Response to emulatorloo (Reply #86)

Sat Nov 11, 2017, 05:31 PM

87. Ok...

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Response to defacto7 (Reply #87)

Sat Nov 11, 2017, 05:52 PM

89. We all pretty much agree on policy here. I thinK we mostly just argue about personalities which

we need to stop doing. I think maybe you were saying similar.

Anyway and have a good weekend.

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Response to elleng (Original post)

Sat Nov 11, 2017, 04:41 PM

78. well i for one dont want to have to watch every damned cent..

..I mean they can post money in money out on some kind of internet spread sheet and those of us without a life can eyeball it. I would rather trust them. And I will trust them until they give me a reason not to.

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Response to samnsara (Reply #78)

Sat Nov 11, 2017, 10:21 PM

96. The JFA financial disclosure procedures and the depositing and disbursement

of funds are governed by the Code of Federal Regulations, a federal statute. Compliance is carefully monitored by both the FEC and the Feds. I recall warnings being issued by the FEC in 2016, but they concerned neither the JFAs, the DNC, nor the nominee.

Unfortunately, because extensions were granted and a final accounting was never submitted, we still don't have answers to the questions that were actually raised and investigated by the FEC. I agree that we need rigorous disclosure and transparency in all these matters.

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Response to elleng (Original post)

Sat Nov 11, 2017, 11:17 PM

98. It was Bernie who tried to get the Super Delegates to overturn the will of the people.

The whole basis for him staying in the race, even after the voting stopped, was that the SDs could give him the nomination.

Moreover, there was never a possibility of the SDs giving the nomination to Hillary Clinton. We had already established that in 2008.

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Response to elleng (Original post)

Sun Nov 12, 2017, 07:25 AM

101. Am wondering what he has to say about that phone call w/Donna about her "findings" where he was lowk

 

lowkey.

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Response to elleng (Original post)

Sun Nov 12, 2017, 07:26 AM

102. Bernie again. EOM

 

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Response to elleng (Original post)

Sun Nov 12, 2017, 07:31 AM

103. Funny this article after our BLUE WAVE on Tuesday!

 

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Response to Madam45for2923 (Reply #103)

Sun Nov 12, 2017, 10:34 AM

106. The narrative that was delivered on November 6 via fundraising email

and reiterated from November 8-10, was not adjusted to reflect the reality of November 7.

"Here's the problem: the strategy the Democratic Party has been pursuing in recent years has failed."

A grave dance is especially awkward when it begins before the patient's death and continues even if the patient recovers, but rewriting a narrative is hard work. Maybe they were hoping that people wouldn't notice exactly how out of touch and wrong the grave dancers are.

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Response to lapucelle (Reply #106)

Sun Nov 12, 2017, 10:35 AM

107. Article was probably meant to be run after DEMS loss on that Tuesday, which did not happen, LOL!

 

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Response to elleng (Original post)

Sun Nov 12, 2017, 07:33 AM

104. Democratic party isn't broken, its always been apathetic voters who rather complain

than vote. When we vote, we win.

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Response to beachbum bob (Reply #104)

Sun Nov 12, 2017, 09:58 AM

105. +1000s

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Response to beachbum bob (Reply #104)

Fri Nov 17, 2017, 01:56 PM

112. great strategy: beat up your base. If Democrats fought Republicans on wars, trade deals, and

the like as hard as they kicked their base, there would be no Republican Party.

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