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Sun Apr 23, 2017, 12:44 PM

Two-thirds of Americans think that the Democratic Party is out of touch with the country

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2017/04/23/two-thirds-of-americans-think-that-the-democratic-party-is-out-of-touch-with-the-country/?utm_term=.dc0d1db65142

By Philip Bump April 23 at 12:41 PM

"You might not be surprised if I were to tell you that a majority of Americans think that President Trump is out of touch with the concerns of most people in the United States today. Sure, he won the election, but a plurality of voters opposed him, and a new Washington Post-ABC News poll shows that he hasn’t expanded his base of support significantly since then. You certainly wouldn’t be surprised to learn that there’s a broad partisan split on the question, as there is on nearly everything in politics these days.

Only 1 in 10 of those who voted for Trump in November think he’s out of touch — but 90 percent of Hillary Clinton voters do. Partisan views are slightly more moderate, with 20 percent of Republicans and 87 percent of Democrats holding that position.

When it comes to the Republican Party, the numbers are a bit worse. Sixty-two percent of Americans, and 30 percent of Republicans themselves, think that the GOP is out of touch with the concerns of most people in the United States.

But none of this means that Democrats are seen as echoing the concerns of the common man. In fact, the Democratic Party is viewed as more out of touch than either Trump or the party’s political opponents. Two-thirds of Americans think the Democrats are out of touch — including nearly half of Democrats themselves."

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I was surprised to see this. That the GOP (62%) and Democratic parties (67%) are both viewed as out of touch by ~2/3 of voters. For the Democrats 44% of Democrats say the party is out of touch.
The question is out of touch in exactly which ways?
Hope to find a followup to this.

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Reply Two-thirds of Americans think that the Democratic Party is out of touch with the country (Original post)
andym Apr 2017 OP
Voltaire2 Apr 2017 #1
SharonAnn May 2017 #20
emulatorloo Apr 2017 #2
benld74 Apr 2017 #3
Hortensis Apr 2017 #4
Wellstone ruled Apr 2017 #5
yurbud Apr 2017 #8
Hortensis Apr 2017 #14
yurbud Apr 2017 #15
Hortensis Apr 2017 #17
Skittles Apr 2017 #6
andym Apr 2017 #9
Skittles Apr 2017 #10
andym Apr 2017 #11
Skittles Apr 2017 #12
andym Apr 2017 #13
Ken Burch Apr 2017 #19
yurbud Apr 2017 #7
Blue_Tires Apr 2017 #16
Ken Burch Apr 2017 #18

Response to andym (Original post)

Sun Apr 23, 2017, 12:48 PM

1. I saw that. Not good.

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Response to Voltaire2 (Reply #1)

Tue May 2, 2017, 09:18 PM

20. They like some of the current policies but don't remember that Democrats put them in place.

They like Social Security, SSI, medicare, Medicaid, Affordable Care Act, Minimum Wage, Unemployment Insurance, WIC, Food Stamps, FHA, VA, federal funding for schools, clean water, clean air, FDA, EPA, Consumer Protection Agency, etc., etc.,

They accept all this (and more) as "status quo" and don't realize that the GOP wants to take it all away. All of it.

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Response to andym (Original post)

Sun Apr 23, 2017, 12:57 PM

2. Link to questions asked and full poll results:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/page/2010-2019/WashingtonPost/2017/04/23/National-Politics/Polling/release_466.xml?tid=a_inl

I hope this will help us figure out the definition of "out of touch" used in the poll.

I don't have time to go through it right now but def will later.

My sense is most people don't like how congress is behaving. It would be interesting to know exactly why some blame Dems and some blame Republicans. I am doubting it is an easy or clear cut answer.

I also feel the press does a terrible job of reporting on congress. Just vague statements, no actual details about what is going on.

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Response to andym (Original post)

Sun Apr 23, 2017, 12:59 PM

3. Another skewed poll by question type

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Response to andym (Original post)

Sun Apr 23, 2017, 01:15 PM

4. Their enemies are pushing that line and others

with everything they've got. They have to.

If "Americans" ever wise up and realize Democrats are the only party concerned with their problems AND that the positions of even most conservatives actually overlap strongly with Democratic ones, it'll be all over for the scoundrels who've taken over the Republican Party. Its continued power depends entirely on a framework of lies about who they and we really are.

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #4)

Sun Apr 23, 2017, 01:29 PM

5. One of the better comments of the day.

 

Have done Polling,and you end up with the results that the Person or Company paying for Poll desires. It is all about the questions wording and your verbal nuances.

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #4)

Thu Apr 27, 2017, 08:34 PM

8. graded on a curve, they are more concerned about us, but like a lazy college student...

they do just enough to get a higher grade than the other guy--and that doesn't cut it anymore.

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Response to yurbud (Reply #8)

Fri Apr 28, 2017, 02:13 AM

14. Yurbud, I can't agree with "do just enough," if

that means anything other than lying about what they're up to. (?) But I sure do hope you're right and that that really does not cut it any more for a smallish but critical percentage.

So many times I thought conservative voters would have to just say no, and it hasn't happened. After electing Rump, I no longer believe, as I did for 40 years, that there would be a bottom for them to recognize and say that "no" to. They believe that bottom is on the other side of the left from them and that as long as they oppose us they are on the side of good.

Social scientists note that hard-right conservatives (same for those on the far left) lack insight into themselves. All they see are what they always believe are severe faults in those "others" who don't agree with them.

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #14)

Fri Apr 28, 2017, 11:26 AM

15. we agree about the conservatives. I was a conservative Christian for years...

and a scholar outside that movement coined the term "maximal conservativism," which means as soon as you have some absolute like the Bible is the inerrant word of God, the person who could make the most extreme statement that fits model always wins.

At one point, I was writing a condolences card with a group of friends and I included a quote from Christian author CS Lewis. Somebody else noticed it and said, What are you doing? You should only quote the Bible." after some back and forth between us, he ended up with, "The Bible is God's word, all the other books are just written by men, so we don't need to read them."

I see something very close to this in the conservative movement. Whoever can go the farthest supporting lower taxes, deregulation, privatization of all things public, spending ever more on the military no matter how backward our enemies are, and killing people at home and abroad will win.

By contrast, I don't see it in the left. While there is stronger support for the government doing SOME things on the left, the group that says it should do EVERYTHING seems to be consistently small.

Even within the Democratic Party, we disagree about which things the government should do, how they should do them, (and how involved the private sector should be in the delivery and how involved the private sector should be in designing the policy), but there are very few if anything that someone can say to coerce everyone to agree with an absolute position.

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Response to yurbud (Reply #15)

Sun Apr 30, 2017, 02:10 PM

17. "Maximal conservatism." I hadn't read about that,

Yurbud, but I've certainly seen it in too many. We have a lot of fundamentalist congregations here in rural Georgia.

It takes a special sort to think react that way, though, and the critical percentage of more moderate conservatives that democracy must have to function are still there. But they're shockingly unreachable. Even the specter of "the rough beast" come to violate all they once professed to believe didn't finally cause them to break ranks with the maximal zealots.

Been taking some time out from all this. The marches this weekend were happy news, though. Only wish health issues had let me participate. Those people were feeling good about what they were doing.

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Response to andym (Original post)

Thu Apr 27, 2017, 07:45 PM

6. LOL

Hillary is held to impossible standards, while Trump is held to no standards at all.

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Response to Skittles (Reply #6)

Thu Apr 27, 2017, 08:57 PM

9. It's nothing to laugh about really

Hillary Clinton has been unfairly demonized to the point where even though only 36% say they would vote for Trump in one poll, in another just four days ago, Hillary loses 43 to 40% to Trump nationally in a redo with the rest of the vote split by 3rd party candidates. Her poll numbers have not rebounded, even though she has conducted herself very well indeed. I'm not sure why really.

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Response to andym (Reply #9)

Thu Apr 27, 2017, 10:25 PM

10. my LOL was for the ridiculousness of the statement

utter nonsense

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Response to Skittles (Reply #10)

Thu Apr 27, 2017, 11:23 PM

11. You mean the poll saying Democrats are out of touch is "utter nonsense" perhaps so

if you think it was manufactured by the pollster. Fake news and all that....

But the poll is worrisome if true and there is other evidence that trend in the favorability of the Democratic party in aggregate polling has been moving in the wrong direction recently in spite of an VERY unpopular President. Right now the average is 49.8% Unfavorable, 39.0% Favorable, and 11.9% undecided. Not as bad as the out of touch number reported above, but certainly not good. Knowing the root cause would be good-- people just sick of politics, or something more specific...

http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/democratic-party-favorable-rating

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Response to andym (Reply #11)

Fri Apr 28, 2017, 12:28 AM

12. repukes had help from Russia, the FBI and the slobbering media

but Trump STILL could not win the popular vote

the problem here is with REPUKES, not Democrats

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Response to Skittles (Reply #12)

Fri Apr 28, 2017, 12:48 AM

13. Yes they did and also from an organized right wing effort to defeat

Democrats (see the Koch brothers and their brethren). If you look at the graph in my last post, you will see that the Democratic Party favorability began to go south around October 1, 2016. This date suggests the effects are from things like the Russians and the coordinated paid right-wing slander campaigns that were launched around then. If you look at the polls for the Senate races in swing states, you will see that candidates like Feingold in Wisconsin and McGinty in Pennsylvania began to lose steam around then as well. Comey was the final straw that reinforced the slander and depressed Democratic turnout starting about 10 days before the election.

It appears to me that the effects of the attacks have not been neutralized which is why the Democratic Party is polling unfavorably and why Hillary Clinton has not regained favorability in the polls after being completely exonerated by Comey (although I doubt that she would really lose again if the election was held again right now, but the polls that say so are "concerning". The effects of the mudslinging NEED to be neutralized and fast by some positive, hopeful press about Democrats. In other words we need "Optimism."

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Response to Skittles (Reply #6)

Sun Apr 30, 2017, 06:15 PM

19. Hillary is not what we're talking about now.

 

She will be a stateswoman of the party now, but in terms of electoral politics, she(as well as Bernie)is now part of the past. I would recommend, though, that the next Democratic president appoint her to the Supreme Court, though.

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Response to andym (Original post)

Thu Apr 27, 2017, 08:31 PM

7. on economic issues and putting the needs of average Americans ahead of Goldman Sachs?

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Response to andym (Original post)

Fri Apr 28, 2017, 12:48 PM

16. That's more perception than anything else

and this comes from losing the PR/media battle

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Response to andym (Original post)

Sun Apr 30, 2017, 06:14 PM

18. Which raises the question...out of touch in WHICH ways?

 

Most of the country is basically progressive on social issues and strongly anti-corporate(which doesn't mean abolishing corporations necessarily-just enacting measures to make sure corporations know they are simply one part of the country rather than being more important than everyone and everything else).

What do we need to be doing better?

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