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(10,173 posts)
1. we're barely out the gate trying to sort out a very complex far reaching scandal...
Tue Apr 18, 2017, 01:59 PM
Apr 2017

and the author wants to throw cold water on it.


(58,785 posts)
2. We won't. The various investigations will.
Tue Apr 18, 2017, 02:02 PM
Apr 2017

Patience. We're politically relatively weak, but we'd still nevertheless be powerful enough to use the evidence that keeps being turned up even if the law wasn't keeping those wheels grinding now that they've started.

Remember, it took 2 years from the Watergate break-in to Nixon's resignation, and he was reelected during that period. THAT scandal was small potatoes compared to these various ones. They impeached Nixon merely with charges arising from obstruction of justice over that 2 years, btw. Didn't need to prove he ordered the break-in.


(58,785 posts)
4. Grave insult to kindergarteners, but for sure. :)
Tue Apr 18, 2017, 02:17 PM
Apr 2017

John Dean says conservatives with power almost always end up abusing it. As a young man, Dean was a Goldwater conservative, with what seems like moderate libertarian leanings. But while observing over 40 years, including in the Nixon administration, he went from believing conservatives would govern better to sadly accepting that as a group they always fail to govern well and honorably.

My words, don't remember his, but Dean said conservative who've taken control don't govern, they try to "rule" and also inevitably embrace cronyism with the spoils of winning elections. Both of which, of course, are 100% inappropriate to a republic. And both of which we are seeing now.

Btw, dysfunctional as Rump is, he knows this at some level. He's said himself that the economy does better under Democratic administrations.


(80 posts)
5. So MSM cools its jets during leak lull
Tue Apr 18, 2017, 02:39 PM
Apr 2017

And Parry deems the story over? Someone better tell Comey his ongoing investigation should be based on the marketing needs of cable news.


(1,129 posts)
8. the article's author lacks either the desire or the ability
Tue Apr 18, 2017, 03:09 PM
Apr 2017

To grasp the complexity of the current situation...

It seems his most recent accomplishment was during the Iran-Contra period....
So, it is reasonable to believe that he is framing his arguments, about the status of "Russia-Gate", using a normal political scandal timeline.

The sheer number of 'involved parties' whose physical, financial, & cyber activities require thourough review makes for a lengthy engagement...
Now consider that there are multiple independent arenas of potential criminal activity --
Cyber crimes
Money Laundering
SEC related crimes
& so on

All of which can be linked in one or more ways to Campaign Finance violations ....

Which then leads to the
...establishment of the existence of a concerted effort having been made, by the various parties, to solicit & secure the assistance of various foreign governments in order to elect and appoint multiple US Executive, Judicial, and Legislative office holders who would, in return, actively seek to Influence specific trade, diplomacy, and security related policy decisions in favor of the foreign governments' interests.

That's a whole lot of dominoes to arrange in such a way as to be absitively posolutely certain that every last one of them will fall .....


(23,671 posts)
10. Rumors of Russia-Gate's demise are greatly exaggerated.
Tue Apr 18, 2017, 07:34 PM
Apr 2017

The less you hear, the deeper the FBI et al are drilling into the data to build an iron-clad case. Yes, the suspense is killing me, too.

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