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Tue Apr 18, 2017, 01:56 PM

Is Russia-Gate dead? :(

https://consortiumnews.com/2017/04/16/what-russia-gate-has-wrought/

Say it ain't so. How can we get it to the forefront of the news again?

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onetexan Apr 2017 OP
JHan Apr 2017 #1
Hortensis Apr 2017 #2
JHan Apr 2017 #3
Hortensis Apr 2017 #4
stillsoleft Apr 2017 #5
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tazkcmo Apr 2017 #6
skylucy Apr 2017 #7
MedusaX Apr 2017 #8
Blue_Tires Apr 2017 #9
Nitram Apr 2017 #10

Response to onetexan (Original post)

Tue Apr 18, 2017, 01:59 PM

1. we're barely out the gate trying to sort out a very complex far reaching scandal...

and the author wants to throw cold water on it.

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Response to onetexan (Original post)

Tue Apr 18, 2017, 02:02 PM

2. We won't. The various investigations will.

Patience. We're politically relatively weak, but we'd still nevertheless be powerful enough to use the evidence that keeps being turned up even if the law wasn't keeping those wheels grinding now that they've started.

Remember, it took 2 years from the Watergate break-in to Nixon's resignation, and he was reelected during that period. THAT scandal was small potatoes compared to these various ones. They impeached Nixon merely with charges arising from obstruction of justice over that 2 years, btw. Didn't need to prove he ordered the break-in.

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #2)

Tue Apr 18, 2017, 02:05 PM

3. And RussiaGate makes Watergate look like kindergarten antics.

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Response to JHan (Reply #3)

Tue Apr 18, 2017, 02:17 PM

4. Grave insult to kindergarteners, but for sure. :)

John Dean says conservatives with power almost always end up abusing it. As a young man, Dean was a Goldwater conservative, with what seems like moderate libertarian leanings. But while observing over 40 years, including in the Nixon administration, he went from believing conservatives would govern better to sadly accepting that as a group they always fail to govern well and honorably.

My words, don't remember his, but Dean said conservative who've taken control don't govern, they try to "rule" and also inevitably embrace cronyism with the spoils of winning elections. Both of which, of course, are 100% inappropriate to a republic. And both of which we are seeing now.

Btw, dysfunctional as Rump is, he knows this at some level. He's said himself that the economy does better under Democratic administrations.

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Response to onetexan (Original post)

Tue Apr 18, 2017, 02:39 PM

5. So MSM cools its jets during leak lull

And Parry deems the story over? Someone better tell Comey his ongoing investigation should be based on the marketing needs of cable news.

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Response to onetexan (Original post)

Tue Apr 18, 2017, 02:49 PM

6. ?

Almost everyday there's a new revelation/connection/leak.

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Response to onetexan (Original post)

Tue Apr 18, 2017, 03:00 PM

7. Parry is a right winger and Putin apologist. He WISHES

Russiagate was a dead story. Up his.

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Response to onetexan (Original post)

Tue Apr 18, 2017, 03:09 PM

8. the article's author lacks either the desire or the ability

To grasp the complexity of the current situation...

It seems his most recent accomplishment was during the Iran-Contra period....
So, it is reasonable to believe that he is framing his arguments, about the status of "Russia-Gate", using a normal political scandal timeline.

The sheer number of 'involved parties' whose physical, financial, & cyber activities require thourough review makes for a lengthy engagement...
Now consider that there are multiple independent arenas of potential criminal activity --
Cyber crimes
Money Laundering
SEC related crimes
Bribery
Theft
& so on

All of which can be linked in one or more ways to Campaign Finance violations ....

Which then leads to the
...establishment of the existence of a concerted effort having been made, by the various parties, to solicit & secure the assistance of various foreign governments in order to elect and appoint multiple US Executive, Judicial, and Legislative office holders who would, in return, actively seek to Influence specific trade, diplomacy, and security related policy decisions in favor of the foreign governments' interests.

That's a whole lot of dominoes to arrange in such a way as to be absitively posolutely certain that every last one of them will fall .....



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Response to onetexan (Original post)

Tue Apr 18, 2017, 03:54 PM

9. LOL at that!

Here's a bit of free advice -- Stay far, far away from Robert Parry

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Response to onetexan (Original post)

Tue Apr 18, 2017, 07:34 PM

10. Rumors of Russia-Gate's demise are greatly exaggerated.

The less you hear, the deeper the FBI et al are drilling into the data to build an iron-clad case. Yes, the suspense is killing me, too.

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