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Mon Jul 11, 2016, 04:46 AM

Republican Big Brother State-Mandated Mourning for Aborted Fetuses

What is behind this new Republican law? Mandated Punishment to the women, is the only answer.


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State-Mandated Mourning for Aborted Fetuses

A new Indiana law is part of a wave of legislation that requires burial or cremation following abortions. What’s behind it?


http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/05/state-mandated-mourning-for-aborted-fetuses/482688/


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Here’s what will happen after a woman gets an abortion in the state of Indiana, starting this July. She will be told, verbally and in writing, that she has the right to choose what she does with her aborted fetus. She will be given a list of her options for disposal, and offered counseling. The fetus does not have to be named, but it will receive its own burial-transit form, just like any dead body. This form will travel with it to a funeral home, where it will be buried or cremated. There won’t necessarily be a ceremony; the fetus may not get its own headstone or urn. But it will be laid to rest in the way of a human. Aborted fetuses in Indiana, nearly all smaller than a peapod, will no longer be treated as medical waste.
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This is what the state’s legislature decided back in March. It passed a wide-ranging bill, making it a criminal offense to dispose of fetal remains in any other way besides burial or cremation, including in cases of abortions, miscarriages, and stillbirths.

Which raises a question: Why would a state create a mourning ritual for no one?

For women who choose to have an abortion, the process can still end once the pills are swallowed or the stirrups are down. If families choose not to handle the disposal process, hospitals and clinics are responsible for taking care of the remains, along with the funeral and cemetery businesses with which they work. Absent state-mandated funerals or car rides to the crematorium, women don’t have to help their fetuses come to a dignified end; abortion providers and funeral directors will be the only witnesses to the interment or cremation. And even though fetuses are now afforded the disposition rights of humans, they still don’t have other rights of personhood—including, for example, the right to life. According to United States law, fetuses are not people.

Indiana is not alone in its concern for the final resting place of fetuses. In March, South Dakota made it illegal to use aborted fetal tissue in research, and in April, Idaho and Alabama made it illegal to buy, sell, donate, or experiment on these remains. Tennessee made it illegal for sale. The legislatures of Ohio, South Carolina, and Mississippi have all recently considered burial and cremation requirements, and Arkansas and Georgia already have similar statutes in place. Like many of these other states, Indiana’s law effectively prohibits women or health-care facilities from donating fetal tissue for medical research.

For women who miscarry or go through emergency medical abortions, this law creates a mechanism for grieving. Hospitals will provide not only medical advice, but tools for memorializing loss. For others—who may be happy, sad, or indifferent about terminating their pregnancy—the purpose of the ritual is less clear. Perhaps legislators want to peel women’s eyelids open, Clockwork Orange-style, and make them confront the meaning of abortion. Perhaps they wanted fetuses to be seen in the way they seem to them: as human.....................

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Response to riversedge (Original post)

Mon Jul 11, 2016, 04:52 AM

1. They want to force women to feel pain

Sorry, boys, but all most of us feel is relief.

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Response to Warpy (Reply #1)

Mon Jul 11, 2016, 05:29 AM

4. And the pain that they do feel...

is probably some Republican shithead trying to stuff his bible up her uterus.

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Response to riversedge (Original post)

Mon Jul 11, 2016, 05:02 AM

2. It's just another way to enact the personhood legislation that has failed so many times.

Just another step to end legal abortions.

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Response to Arkansas Granny (Reply #2)

Mon Jul 11, 2016, 06:32 AM

8. I agree. They're getting a foot in the door with this. NT

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Response to riversedge (Original post)

Mon Jul 11, 2016, 05:26 AM

3. Yet they couldn't care less about providing assitance for needy families with young children.

 

These people are fucking insane.

Their "ideology" to the extent that you want to call it that doesn't make any sense whatsoever. It's all based on personal enrichment to the detriment of the collective good and inflicting pain on the segments of society that they don't like.

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Response to Chakab (Reply #3)

Mon Jul 11, 2016, 08:22 AM

14. I think we should start calling it...

...idiotology.

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Response to riversedge (Original post)

Mon Jul 11, 2016, 05:43 AM

5. Can we mandate a law that all

Republicans face the firing squad. "YOU'RE FIRED!"

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Response to yuiyoshida (Reply #5)

Mon Jul 11, 2016, 06:00 AM

6. Yes we can. It's called Get Out the Democratic Vote in a Trumpian election year

... an election year where many Republicans may stay home. A year when some state Legislatures may flip to Democratic. A year when some gerrymandering can be rolled back. A year when Democrats may take the US Senate, and possibly even the House. A year when we might be able to kill gerrymandering on a national scale by mandating standards for independent drawing of districts.

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Response to Bernardo de La Paz (Reply #6)

Mon Jul 11, 2016, 06:12 AM

7. We need Republicans out of the House and Senate

the more we replace with good Democrats the better.

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Response to riversedge (Original post)

Mon Jul 11, 2016, 06:38 AM

9. this is not going to happen

the ruling by the SCOTUS made this law unconstitutional.

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Response to riversedge (Original post)

Mon Jul 11, 2016, 07:33 AM

10. I'd like to see someone request a viking style funeral pyre

A full pagan ritual. That'll make people's heads explode.

I wish lawmakers would spend more time doing things for society that would reduce the need for abortions, rather than attacking women.

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Response to riversedge (Original post)

Mon Jul 11, 2016, 07:38 AM

11. These Laws Accomplish Two Things for the GOP Controlled States.

As ABSURD as this may seem....there is method in their madness, so to speak. They prevent tissue donations and they are another step leading towards designating a fetus as a human. Ultimate goal is to designate a fetus human from conception and therefore try to equate abortions as murder.

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Response to riversedge (Original post)

Mon Jul 11, 2016, 07:44 AM

12. Deranged necrophiliacs...they need to be certified and interned for their own good.

 

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Response to riversedge (Original post)

Mon Jul 11, 2016, 07:58 AM

13. Who's paying for it?

Another barrier by adding another cost? The whole thing is fucking ridiculous! They are going to come up with asinine law after asinine law and all will be struck down by the Supreme Court because all people can see though this charade, just like the last law the Supremes struck down. But we all have to go through this fucking kobuki theater. It's sickening.

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Response to gaspee (Reply #13)

Mon Jul 11, 2016, 11:25 PM

16. And the tax payers in the state

 

get to pay for something thst will be struck down. Of course, that could take a year or two, and women will just keep getting screwed over.

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Response to riversedge (Original post)

Mon Jul 11, 2016, 10:22 AM

15. This happened to me about 20 years ago

I was having my second miscarriage at under 6 weeks and desperately rushed to my HMO clinic. I was bleeding and passed some tissue. I was sent home for my body to recover and was scheduled for a D and C follow up a bit later. After the D and C at a Catholic hospital, and still groggy from anesthesia, I was informed by someone that memorial services were available for the scrapings of my D and C. I kind of laughed and thought it was a sort of sick joke and declined the offer. The pathology report came back that I had had a spontaneous abortion (miscarriage) nothing was abnormal and no fetal tissue was detected and I went on with my life. I soon got pregnant again and delivered a 31 week old premie. While my son was fighting for his life in the NICU, I received a phone call asking if I would be attending the yearly memorial service of my baby's death. I was immediately shocked and confused, thinking something had happened to my son in the NICU. That soon turned to anger when I realized they were talking about a perpetual yearly memorial for non-fetal tissue of a year ago that I had declined. I explained to NEVER call me again and that the call had effectively retraumatized me, which I did not appreciate. I received a half apology about the call with an added "if you ever change your mind, we have periodic memorials for...". I hung up. It still angers me today.

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