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bemildred

(90,061 posts)
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 08:17 AM Jun 2015

The secret of ISIL’s appeal


It is often remarked that proponents of the prevailing international order, despite their rhetoric about freedom and democracy, eagerly support dictators, warlords and other autocrats in order to preserve the status quo. However, this tendency is no less pronounced in opponents of the system. For example, during the Cold War, Vladimir Lenin, Mao Zedong and Fidel Castro inspired many Westerners in leftist movements, particularly young people, some of whom carried out campaigns of domestic terrorism in order to provoke revolution.

The Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant (ISIL) similarly aspires to a new form of social arrangement. In this post-Occupy period, when no one else seems to have the willingness or ability to meaningfully fight the system, ISIL appears to many youths as virtually the only actor interested in and capable of radical societal reforms. Understanding this source of ISIL’s appeal is critical to countering its narratives, undermining its recruitment and ultimately defeating the group.


Beyond brainwashing

ISIL’s recruits are generally not stupid, ignorant or naive, nor are they religious zealots, nor are they somehow unable to resist social media messaging. It is comforting to write off ISIL supporters as deranged or brainwashed because it helps distract from the role the anti-ISIL coalition’s members played in creating and perpetuating the conditions under which ISIL could emerge and flourish, but the extensive post-9/11 body of research on terrorism clearly shows that, regardless of how a campaign may be framed, the primary reason people support terrorism is to achieve political goals.

For example, it is widely assumed that most suicide bombers are uneducated, mentally ill or otherwise cognitively deficient. Or that would-be martyrs are simply nihilistic (often from having few socioeconomic prospects) or are narcissists eager for notoriety. It turns out that those cases are the exception rather than the rule: Suicide bombers tend to be wealthier and better educated than most in their societies. In fact, it is their deeper understanding of societal problems that often impels their activism. And rather than sociopathic, they tend to be prosocial, idealistic and altruistic, driven by compassion and a sense of moral outrage.

http://america.aljazeera.com/opinions/2015/6/the-secret-of-isils-appeal.html
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DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
1. As I said: Rebels fighting the Galactic Empire.
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 09:28 AM
Jun 2015

Young, passionate idealists using violence to fight for a better world. Chopping off some other people's heads is a price they are willing to pay for that better world.




"As a show of good faith, the U.S. should cut off all funding for substate and nonstate proxies and end unconditional military and geopolitical assistance for Middle Eastern tyrants and Israel."

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
If the US withdraws its influence from the Middle-East, who is left as a peacekeeper?
The Arabic League? Don't make me laugh.
They are a paper-tiger of cowardish tyrants. They are good at oppressing their own people, but anything that goes beyond their own borders...

What was the Arabic League's reaction to the revolution in Libya against the dictator? "We shouldn't mess with the internal affairs of another country."
What was the Arabic League's reaction to the revolution in Syria against the dictator? "We shouldn't mess with the internal affairs of another country."
What was the Arabic League's reaction to the rise of ISIS? "Hey, US, can you take care of that? Pretty-please?"

Does anyone REALLY think that the Arabic League has the GUTS or even the INTEREST to do something about islamic extremism? They are a bunch of useless tyrants. The arabic world has no concept of nationalism and it especially lacks the concept of internationalism necessary for large-scale solutions.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
2. Kinda off the mark on a couple of points...
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 01:15 PM
Jun 2015

All you have to do is look at any of the westerners who were brought back from ISIS or caught at the airport trying to join after being recruited...They are the very definition of the gullible, or the dead-enders who have nothing left to lose in their lives...

And suicide bombers are "wealthier and better educated"?? Is that why child/young teen bombers are so popular with ISIS and Boko Haram?

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
3. It's so rare we get to chat.
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 02:14 PM
Jun 2015

I'm not buying it either, it's a little too imaginative.

On the other hand what I remember from the 60s had very little to do with making sense, it was all about rebellion. "Sex, Drugs and Rock-n-Roll." "Stop the War Now!" I remember some people running around with bombs too. And this ISIS thing has bothered me from the beginning with this Childrens Crusade aspect it has to it, why exactly do they seem to have this unlimited supply of suicide bombers? It's kind of new. And a lot of them are coming in from outside. And why the hell is any young woman in her right mind going to join up?

And I've thought we were due for another round of that sort of social revolt.

So when anybody comes along with an explanation, however fanciful, I'm prepared to listen.

The things that bother me the most about it are these:

1.) It's not enough by itself to explain ISIS, you need the GCC money and Bremer's Folly too. So it purports to explain only part of what is happening, and I doubt it is the crucial part.

2.) Who came up with this masterful propaganda campaign that is sucking these people in? That is a very dangerous guy ...

And if it has occurred more or less spontaneously, that's something else you need to know too, I'm not sure if it's better or worse.

3.) The notion of blowing yourself up to forward some idealistic cause is fairly unmodern, and the notion of that idealistic cause being a medieval caliphate seems to at least require more explanation. They seem quite willing to use modern tech and quite sophisticated in modern ways, simply calling them religious fundies won't do. Edit: he goes on about how they are not crazy, but he doesn't really explain what they ARE that is not crazy.

Igel

(35,293 posts)
4. "Gullible" and "better educated" are often strongly correlated.
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 04:19 PM
Jun 2015

Sad, but true. Many of the most strongly anti-vaxxer areas in California are prosperous areas with a fairly high average education. The anti-GMO crowd is more of the same.

Many dead-enders are also highly educated, sad to say. They have gone to school and have no place to go.

There are exceptions; this isn't a 100% accurate generalization, and it also varies depending where you are. If you're in a society without many highly educated folk and no good way to recruit internationally, then you use what you have--Boko Haram comes to mind, some places in the Middle East also come to mind. They use children as little more than guided bombs--"walk into this market and pull this string." Or even "just walk into this market; we'll give you instructions ... by phone." The educated folk have better uses in many cases. On the other hand, take the 9/11 attackers. They weren't villagers. They have the means to plan, adapt, and execute suicide attacks. They were educated enough to read and think (wrongly), but they had few futures and were able to have their "consciousness raised."

It's much like the Mao-worshippers and Uncle Joe's supporters. Some were naive, stupid, grasping or indignant at not being properly valued by society. Others were highly educated (and also frequently naive ...). As with ISIL wannabes, they wanted a better society. In many cases they believed nonsense--they ignored what Mao and Stalin were doing, and wanted to be ignorant. In others, they assumed that after the destruction of what they hated something better could be built, but they'd worry about that later. (Which is often the attitude that brought Mao and Stalin to power.)

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
6. Sadly we have our own undereducated who can't get jobs ending up inlisting or working for
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 08:48 PM
Jun 2015

the Private Contractors. They can believe they are saving America from ISIL Terrorists (the altruistic) or they need a job and whatever it takes with adventure to get out of the economic situation they are in here in the USA ....they sign up and go off to seek their fortune.

There's always the usual collection of Sociopaths, and other wise disturbed, along with the "Fortune Seekers of War" (that are always with us) but...so many have little choice these days and they go...because there's no where else to go if one has a little bit of ambition but no way to move forward to achieve further in today's Austerity for Everyone but the 1-2%.

We Recruit our Own to Kill and Be Killed. But, who ever talks about that kind of STUFF. It ain't the 60's anymore. We don't have a DRAFT.

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
5. Is U.S. Foreign Policy Making Americans Less Safe? --from embed link in OP Article
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 05:08 PM
Jun 2015

(The link to this article from Musa al-Gharbi's article you posted as one of the "blue link" references...along with a couple other good reads. But, this article, while focusing on "Homegrown U.S. Terrorism," seems to me also fit why there might also be a strong appeal for those who want to join ISIL. This is a snip from the article...but I thought whole thing was an interesting read. It was propably already posted in DU "Foreign Affairs" sometime but worth a revisit.)


Is U.S. Foreign Policy Making Americans Less Safe?
-------snip--------

In Washington, there is an agreed-upon, bipartisan understanding that under no circumstances will officials or politicians acknowledge, or even explore, the concept that foreign policy activities might play a role in compelling U.S. residents, who would not otherwise consider terrorism, to plot and attempt attacks. This is somewhat understandable given that there are many different backgrounds, experiences, and precursors that lead people to become violent extremists. Yet, whereas there are constant hearings and debates—even White House summits—about how to “counter violent extremism,” there is rarely any consideration of which U.S. foreign policy activities might themselves be precursors to U.S. terrorism.

In fact, the only foreign policy decisions that the Obama administration admits might inspire terrorism are those made by Obama’s predecessor. The first is one that the White House has tried to reverse since January 2009: detaining terror suspects at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. Most recently, at a House Armed Services Committee hearing on March 18, Secretary of Defense Ashton Carter endorsed closing the military prison because, “It still provides a rallying point for Jihadi recruiting.” The other decision is the 2003 invasion of Iraq; as President Obama stated on March 17, “ISIL is a direct outgrowth of al-Qaeda in Iraq that grew out of our invasion, which is an example of unintended consequences.”

Of course, another unintended consequence emerged from the U.S.-led airwar in 2011 that ensured the toppling of Muammar al-Qaddafi in Libya. As a U.S. military official told the Wall Street Journal today, “ISIL now has an operational presence in Libya, and they have aspirations to make Libya their African hub. Libya is part of their terror map now.” Compare this recent warning to how the State Department described Libya on the eve of the 2011 airwar: “The Libyan government continued to demonstrate a strong and active commitment to combating terrorist organizations and violent extremism through bilateral and regional counterterrorism and security cooperation, particularly on the issue of foreign fighter flow to Iraq.” Now, foreign fighters are flowing from Iraq and Syria to establish a stronghold in Libya. This is clearly an unintended, though not at all unsurprising, consequence, but not one that the Obama administration will acknowledge because it happened under its watch.

More critically, what foreign policy activities are bolstering the narrative of Islamic jihadist groups today? Is it really just the 122 terror suspects still in Guantanamo? What about drone strikes, which themselves are universally hated? Or, what of the support for President Abdel Fattah el-Sisi in Egypt, whose government sentenced that country’s first elected leader to death this week? Finally, is the U.S.-led airwar against IS fueling that narrative and making the likelihood of lone wolf attacks within the United States more likely?

What else is the United States doing abroad that could be making Americans less safe from lone wolf terrorism at home? Why is this never asked or considered when officials and politicians discuss how the thirteen-and-a-half-year war on terrorism is progressing?

More at....

http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/us-foreign-policy-making-americans-less-safe-12920

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