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Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
Tue Dec 2, 2014, 09:07 PM Dec 2014

The touching hug photo from Ferguson protests is a blatant lie

12/2/2014

The camera is a superb liar. It only shows one moment, and has no obligation to explain the bigger picture behind it. The selective use of photographs can therefore replace truth with whatever visual detail we choose to fix on. Horror or schmaltz, the effect is the same, to simplify reality and turn a story into a deceptively straightforward image.

In the 1930s and 1940s the dishonest manipulation of photographs was a speciality of state propagandists. Backroom technicians in totalitarian darkrooms removed unwanted faces from pictures and turned emotive images into posters. Today, we don’t need propaganda machines to deceive us because we can make hypocritical and self-manipulating choices ourselves just by “liking” the pictures that show us what we want to see and ignoring those that are more awkward.

The protests in America against a grand jury’s decision not to indict white police officer Darren Wilson for shooting dead unarmed black teenager Michael Brown in Ferguson, Missouri, have thrown up a sickly sweet instance of this modern dishonesty.

Of all the disturbing images of streets on fire and crowds unappeased that have seethed since the grand jury decision in Ferguson set off protests across America, one of the most popular online turns out to be a touching moment of interracial togetherness. You heard me. Like a supermarket Christmas ad, this photograph taken at a Ferguson protest in Portland, Oregon, feasts on a moment of truce and peace amid the anger.

in full: http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/dec/02/hug-photographs-ferguson-protests-lie

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The touching hug photo from Ferguson protests is a blatant lie (Original Post) Jefferson23 Dec 2014 OP
Oh, Good Grief. It was a moment, a moving moment, the core of our common humanity. NYC_SKP Dec 2014 #1
+1 brer cat Dec 2014 #5
+100 840high Dec 2014 #11
Request to Admins, can we get a bad reads forum please? BootinUp Dec 2014 #2
Bwaaahaaaahaaaa...cough...hack...hack...bwaaahaaahaaa...hack...bwaaahaaahaaa ret5hd Dec 2014 #6
You led me to belive (with your subject line) this was a blatant lie between these two individuals.. ret5hd Dec 2014 #3
Agreed. I'm not sure anyone ever said that photo is All There Is... arcane1 Dec 2014 #4
you do realize this is a linked article--not the OP's direct comment? niyad Dec 2014 #10
The picture and the message of racial harmony in America it falsely projects is the blatant lie.... Fred Sanders Dec 2014 #7
it was harmony between 2 people. jeez roguevalley Dec 2014 #9
No it doesn't. It's the honest truth of that particular moment in time. NYC_SKP Dec 2014 #12
"Sad. Fool. Lie." ........ You have a rather limited vocabulary, sir. Rinse and repeat? Fred Sanders Dec 2014 #15
you seem invested in making sure no positive image is allowed about America uhnope Dec 2014 #13
and I agree with you Fred . how come so many people are ellenrr Dec 2014 #28
And how does this image square with what happened in N.Y? It does not. We are right about Fred Sanders Dec 2014 #29
shit Lefta Dissenter Dec 2014 #8
the wanker author is apparently invested in making sure no positive image about America is allowed uhnope Dec 2014 #14
Then you did not make it all the way to the end and totally missed the actual point, I see? Fred Sanders Dec 2014 #16
Seems many have had a knee jerk reaction and presume a great deal about his intent. n/t Jefferson23 Dec 2014 #17
Not to worry, misunderstanding and leaping to judgment is what most folks do around the cyber Fred Sanders Dec 2014 #18
Well I made it all the way to the end, and this it what he said... bluesbassman Dec 2014 #24
I also made it to the end and it's still BS uhnope Dec 2014 #25
Attacking the opinion of a writer by attacking their looks is a great way to win an argument. It am Fred Sanders Dec 2014 #26
you ignored my argument, which I assume is YOUR best effort uhnope Dec 2014 #27
Now the ad hominem fallacy. You are on a roll of logical fails and illogical, losing arguments I see. Fred Sanders Dec 2014 #30
NYPD officer in Eric Garner chokehold death not indicted by Staten Island grand jury Jefferson23 Dec 2014 #19
No indictment in NYC police chokehold death of Eric Garner Jefferson23 Dec 2014 #20
Protesters Swarm Outside Tree Lighting After Eric Garner Decision Jefferson23 Dec 2014 #21
Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2014 #22
What "arguing over your picture"? Welcome to DU and a piece of advice. Posting your link over and uppityperson Dec 2014 #23
Fascinating. I'm not thinking there was any comforting going on in that photo. LiberalAndProud Dec 2014 #31
Well, I never thought I would ever encounter someone more cynical than me. The Stranger Dec 2014 #32
 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
1. Oh, Good Grief. It was a moment, a moving moment, the core of our common humanity.
Tue Dec 2, 2014, 09:15 PM
Dec 2014

That it was a fleeting moment doesn't detract from the greater picture, the utter brutality that is meted out to citizens every day in America.

But shit, let us have this one moment to show that within the mess of protests and wars and riots there are human moments of love and understanding.

Shame on the author for trying to diminish the most important piece of our humanity.

ret5hd

(20,491 posts)
6. Bwaaahaaaahaaaa...cough...hack...hack...bwaaahaaahaaa...hack...bwaaahaaahaaa
Tue Dec 2, 2014, 10:29 PM
Dec 2014

OK, I'm done now. Where's my cigarette?

ret5hd

(20,491 posts)
3. You led me to belive (with your subject line) this was a blatant lie between these two individuals..
Tue Dec 2, 2014, 09:33 PM
Dec 2014

like a staged pic or something.

This is a true pic if it was true between these two individuals, which is the way it was "advertised". I and no other sane person would possibly conceive this to be the state of race relations in the entire country. If it is a staged pic produce your evidence.

If a single instant of healing emotion, however fleeting, irritates you...well, you got your own problems brother.

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
4. Agreed. I'm not sure anyone ever said that photo is All There Is...
Tue Dec 2, 2014, 09:50 PM
Dec 2014

So I'm not sure why the author chooses to represent it was such.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
7. The picture and the message of racial harmony in America it falsely projects is the blatant lie....
Tue Dec 2, 2014, 10:30 PM
Dec 2014

"Liking this picture as a definitive image of America’s race crisis is the equivalent of locking yourself in and turning up the volume to weep at Frozen while the streets are burning outside. Which is exactly what white Americans apparently want to do. Truth is a flimsy thing. It can be destroyed by a hug."

I agree.

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
12. No it doesn't. It's the honest truth of that particular moment in time.
Tue Dec 2, 2014, 11:42 PM
Dec 2014

Anyone who took it to literally mean there are no problems is a fool.

And anyone who thinks that the photo is therefore a lie has a strange and sad way of looking at things.

The article is a sorry attempt to be noble, or righteously outraged.

Fuck that shit and bless that officer and child, and good for them.

I'm still smiling about that moment.

ellenrr

(3,864 posts)
28. and I agree with you Fred . how come so many people are
Fri Dec 5, 2014, 10:18 AM
Dec 2014

so fuckin simplistic sentimental and shallow? they miss the meaning.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
29. And how does this image square with what happened in N.Y? It does not. We are right about
Fri Dec 5, 2014, 12:04 PM
Dec 2014

our read of the article and its meaning and it is the right way to look at it, bleeding liberal hearts aside.

Lefta Dissenter

(6,622 posts)
8. shit
Tue Dec 2, 2014, 10:31 PM
Dec 2014

You mean we don't have world peace and racial equality?

DAMN, and I probably "liked" the photo on Facebook, too. I'm such a sucker.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
18. Not to worry, misunderstanding and leaping to judgment is what most folks do around the cyber
Wed Dec 3, 2014, 12:07 PM
Dec 2014

comment zones.
Actually reading the article is thougt provoking, but some do not have the time to bother with thought, the rush to righteous and outraged judgment is compelling on the inter-tubes.

bluesbassman

(19,370 posts)
24. Well I made it all the way to the end, and this it what he said...
Wed Dec 3, 2014, 10:40 PM
Dec 2014
Liking this picture as a definitive image of America’s race crisis is the equivalent of locking yourself in and turning up the volume to weep at Frozen while the streets are burning outside. Which is exactly what white Americans apparently want to do. Truth is a flimsy thing. It can be destroyed by a hug.


What utter drivel. It's a tender moment and no one except this hack is trying to make it more than it is.
 

uhnope

(6,419 posts)
25. I also made it to the end and it's still BS
Thu Dec 4, 2014, 07:41 PM
Dec 2014
In the context of the completely unresolved and immensely troubling situation, not just in Ferguson but across the United States, where Ferguson has opened wounds that go back centuries, this picture is a blatant lie


No, it's another image to focus on to remind us that there are many aspects of reality. The wanker author is supposed to be an arts writer, but he seems utterly useless in understanding the power of images.
More evidence of that:

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
26. Attacking the opinion of a writer by attacking their looks is a great way to win an argument. It am
Thu Dec 4, 2014, 10:21 PM
Dec 2014

going to assume that was your best effort.

 

uhnope

(6,419 posts)
27. you ignored my argument, which I assume is YOUR best effort
Fri Dec 5, 2014, 03:40 AM
Dec 2014

BTW, is it a coincidence that on other threads you're a Putin apologist, and on this one you seize on an opportunity to deny there can be anything good about the USA? Hmmm yeah probably just a coincidence

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
30. Now the ad hominem fallacy. You are on a roll of logical fails and illogical, losing arguments I see.
Fri Dec 5, 2014, 12:06 PM
Dec 2014

Amusing.

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
19. NYPD officer in Eric Garner chokehold death not indicted by Staten Island grand jury
Wed Dec 3, 2014, 04:02 PM
Dec 2014
‘Oh my God, are you serious?’ Garner’s widow, Esaw Garner, told The Daily News about the grand jury’s decision not to charge Officer Daniel Pantaleo. ‘You can see in the video that he (the cop) was dead wrong!’ There had been warnings earlier that a decision not to indict the white policeman with a crime for killing a black man would fan tensions.

BY Tina Moore , Thomas Tracy , Rocco Parascandola , Corky Siemaszko
NEW YORK DAILY NEWS
Published: Wednesday, December 3, 2014, 2:19 PM

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nypd-eric-garner-chokehold-death-not-indicted-article-1.2031841

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
20. No indictment in NYC police chokehold death of Eric Garner
Wed Dec 3, 2014, 04:14 PM
Dec 2014


The Staten Island grand jury investigating the death of New York’s Eric Garner — an asthmatic man who died after being held in a police chokehold — has declined to issue any indictment of Daniel Pantaleo, the officer involved.

The New York Post reported Wednesday afternoon that the officers involved with the incident have been cleared of charges.

Garner, 47, was accosted by police on July 17 and accused of illegally selling cigarettes. In video of the incident, officers were observed placing Garner in a chokehold to subdue him.

While in the chokehold, Garner, who had asthma, repeatedly told officers he was unable to breathe. After more than 7 minutes with no air, Garner had a heart attack. He died in the ambulance on the way to medical help.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/12/no-indictment-in-nyc-polce-choke-hold-death-of-eric-garner/

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
21. Protesters Swarm Outside Tree Lighting After Eric Garner Decision
Wed Dec 3, 2014, 09:13 PM
Dec 2014
After Staging Peaceful 'Die-In' At Grand Central Terminal, Group Hits Rock Center

December 3, 2014 7:58 PM

NEW YORK (CBSNewYork) — Protesters gathered around the city late Wednesday afternoon into the evening, following a decision by a grand jury not to indict an NYPD officer involved in the apparent chokehold death of Eric Garner.

Protests were being held during the evening rush at Grand Central Station, in Times Square, and on Staten Island, where the Garner incident happened. Some protesters said they planned to disrupt the Christmas tree lighting ceremony at Rockefeller Center between 7 and 9 p.m., CBS2’s Tony Aiello reported.

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2014/12/03/eric-garner-decision-protests/

Response to Jefferson23 (Original post)

uppityperson

(115,677 posts)
23. What "arguing over your picture"? Welcome to DU and a piece of advice. Posting your link over and
Wed Dec 3, 2014, 10:23 PM
Dec 2014

over is verging on spamming the board and is not looked upon very highly. Having the link in your sig line and contributing to DU beyond promoting your campaign will more likely result in people seeing it. Spamming is a no no.


ETA, that is too bad you did that. All your posts are removed when you are spam banned.
I am not on MIRT but hoped you'd take the warning to heart.

LiberalAndProud

(12,799 posts)
31. Fascinating. I'm not thinking there was any comforting going on in that photo.
Fri Dec 5, 2014, 07:37 PM
Dec 2014

I expected to see a far less troubling photo. The beauty of art; the eye of the beholder. In context, I imagine the cop is really squeezing breath from the lungs of the tearful young man. Jonathan sees soppy where I perceive sinister.

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