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Sun Oct 12, 2014, 11:00 PM

 

Mainstream News Coverage of Ukraine, Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 Shows Western Propaganda Machine at

http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/26711-mainstream-news-coverage-of-ukraine-malaysia-airlines-flight-17-shows-western-propaganda-machine-at-work-edward-s-herman


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Media analyst and professor emeritus of finance at the Wharton School, Edward S. Herman, co-author with Noam Chomsky of Manufacturing Consent, discusses the propaganda embedded in US mainstream media coverage of the Ukraine crisis.

Dan Falcone: What is missing in the US mainstream news coverage of Ukraine? What major elements are being suppressed?

Edward Herman: What is missing, first of all, is a minimum of objectivity. The media are functioning more than ever as a propaganda machine for the State Department. One thing missing - and being suppressed - is the important role of neo-Nazi elements both in the Kiev government and in the forces they have fielded in their war against East Ukraine. The media are eager to find Russians in Ukraine, but will not even recognize neo-fascists staring them in the face, but working on our side. They had earlier virtually suppressed the very important role of these right-wing elements in the Maidan protests and the accompanying violence and overthrow of the elected government in Kiev. The media regularly called those forces "protesters," whereas they called the East Ukraine rebels "pro-Russian militants" and "separatists" rather than "protesters" and "federalists." The double standards here are dramatic and the sign of a propaganda system at work.

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Reply Mainstream News Coverage of Ukraine, Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 Shows Western Propaganda Machine at (Original post)
go west young man Oct 2014 OP
go west young man Oct 2014 #1
go west young man Oct 2014 #2
go west young man Oct 2014 #4
friendly_iconoclast Oct 2014 #3
SkyDaddy7 Oct 2014 #6
MattSh Oct 2014 #7
Tarheel_Dem Oct 2014 #11
dawn frenzy adams Oct 2014 #5
Anarcho-Socialist Oct 2014 #8
Blue_Tires Oct 2014 #9
go west young man Oct 2014 #13
Tarheel_Dem Oct 2014 #10
go west young man Oct 2014 #12

Response to go west young man (Original post)

Sun Oct 12, 2014, 11:21 PM

1. Ukraine - The Rise of a US supported fascist state

 

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Response to go west young man (Reply #1)

Sun Oct 12, 2014, 11:29 PM

2. US/UK media coverup of Nazis in Ukraine continues unraveling and MH-17 falls apart...

 

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Response to go west young man (Reply #1)

Sun Oct 12, 2014, 11:30 PM

3. So who is playing Dollfuss to Putin's Hitler?

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Response to go west young man (Reply #1)

Mon Oct 13, 2014, 01:37 AM

6. Russia & Ukraine BOTH...

Are packed full of RIGHT WING FASCIST! The very in there severity but both countries are eat up with them so STOP with the Kremlin BS!!

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Response to SkyDaddy7 (Reply #6)

Mon Oct 13, 2014, 02:54 AM

7. Maybe you should focus on the fascists in the USA...

before worrying how many fascists are in other countries far away?

Just a thought...

ON EDIT: Some advice. Pull your head out of your television. You can see things a lot more clearly that way.




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Response to SkyDaddy7 (Reply #6)

Mon Oct 13, 2014, 07:25 PM

11. "STOP with the Kremlin BS!!"

TYT/Buzzfeed: "Russia's Online Troll Army Is Huge, Hilarious & Already Everywhere "



"Moscow is financing legions of pro-Russia Internet commenters. But how much do they matter?"

"Russia's campaign to shape international opinion around its invasion of Ukraine has extended to recruiting and training a new cadre of online trolls that have been deployed to spread the Kremlin's message on the comments section of top American websites."


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Response to go west young man (Original post)

Mon Oct 13, 2014, 01:29 AM

5. Excuse me?

But when has the United States not supported right-wing fascism? Oh yes, we did enter World War II. But our foreign policy towards the world since has been about installing brutal dictatorships- under the guise of democracy.

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Response to dawn frenzy adams (Reply #5)

Mon Oct 13, 2014, 04:23 AM

8. This is true

Vichy collaborators and ex-Nazis were quickly forgiven and became part of the governance of post-war France and West Germany, fascists being reliable anti-communists.

Franco's Spain was also quickly forgiven for its pro-Hitler neutrality and became an important strategic partner for NATO.

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Response to go west young man (Original post)

Mon Oct 13, 2014, 04:12 PM

9. Haven't we been over this before?

Maybe you just need to go read the prelim report from the Dutch OVV...

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Response to Blue_Tires (Reply #9)

Tue Oct 14, 2014, 08:06 AM

13. The truth is still coming out.

 

I see you'd prefer if people stuck with the chosen narrative, however, time and activism often offer more than what was initially thought. Give it time. Here's something for you to ponder:

Guardian UK war correspondent John Pilger tells the truth about Ukraine and Western propaganda and the Ukraine crisis.



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Response to go west young man (Original post)

Mon Oct 13, 2014, 07:20 PM

10. The Daily Beast: "The Kremlin’s Plan to Erase Russia’s Memory and Its Conscience"

10.13.14

The ministry of justice is doing its best to shut down Memorial, the organization first headed by Andrei Sakharov, that is at the heart of civil society.

MOSCOW—The Russian government is threatening to eliminate Memorial, the most important support network for Russian civil society. On Friday, the ministry of justice filed a suit asking the supreme court “to liquidate”—a very heavy word—the country’s oldest civil-rights organization. A hearing is scheduled for Nov. 13.


If the suit succeeds, it will be a disaster for whatever hope democracy has left in the Russian Federation. Memorial symbolizes Russia’s post-Perestroika effort to rethink the repressive parts of its repressive history and educate Russians to respect human rights, freedoms, and human values. It unites dozens of organizations across the country, acting as the spine of Russia’s rapidly shrinking civil society.

Memorial was founded in 1989 when delegates from 250 civil organizations gathered at the Moscow Aviation Institute to create a volunteer historical and educational society. At that first meeting, activists elected Nobel laureate Andrei Sakharov to be the chair for their society. By 1991 Memorial’s experts, many of them former dissidents, managed to convince the parliament to adopt a law about victims of Stalin’s repression. Since then, Memorial branches around the country have participated in school and university programs while organizing scientific lectures and conferences.

Authorities do not like Memorial’s consistent support for what the organization called “political prisoners.” Russia’s law requires “political” nongovernmental groups to register, so by using the term “political” to describe those jailed for what are, in fact, political reasons, Memorial opened itself to accusations of political activity, and therefore of being a political activist group rather than a civil one. The ghost of George Orwell may be conjured too readily and too often, these days, but this truly is Orwellian.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/10/13/the-kremlin-s-plan-to-erase-russia-s-memory-and-its-conscience.html#

Russia should never complain publicly about media and/or propaganda.

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Response to go west young man (Original post)

Tue Oct 14, 2014, 12:26 AM

12. Proof that the new Kiev coup imposed government and western authorities have been lying....

 

on a massive scale.



This recently released video of one Kiev military graveyard near Dnepropetrovsk shows that the total dead from the war, just for this one graveyard, total well over 6,500 dead. This video is taken by a mother of a dead Ukrainian soldier. She clearly films all the graves and shows the placards which state the total numbers at the 3:40 mark and beyond. These numbers are well in excess of the numbers being reported by the United Nations, Amnesty International, Kiev, European and US media and authorities. The total number of all Ukrainian deaths is being compiled by internet activist investigators and is listed below along with the stand out commentary from the video.


The following link includes much more compiled information on the total Ukrainian war dead.
http://acloserlookonsyria.shoutwiki.com/wiki/Talk:Ukraine_war_casualties#Mass_Graves_at_Donetsk


Excerpt:

Video Lady comments:

0:06 – I am now at a burial place in the vicinity of Dnepropetrovsk
1:51 – Graves are labeled by numbers, and DNA samples are kept in a morgue in Dneprpetrovsk, Mechnikov hospital
2:29 – 200 more bodies are in the process of being identified
2:47 – 'Putin should stop conflict and withdraw troops'
3:23 – Graves with flowers and crosses are those where 'authorities in Dnepropetrovsk believe that those are Ukrainian soldiers' . Crosses are numbered and have 'unknown defender of Ukraine' label
3:55 – a lot of bodies arrive, they are brought by plane
4:52 – numbers on graves refer to DNA samples (we see numbers 6552, 6554, 6544, 6447, 6076, 6077, 6346, so at least 6076-6554 are there)
5:29 – 'Putin is to blame, he and his cohort'
Concludes with 'such a sad report I have today.' So she maybe a Ukrainian reporter, possibly blogger or activist; I am not aware of such a report being published --Resup (talk) 02:53, 8 October 2014 (UTC)

Not all numbers are buried at this graveyard. The numbers are the consecutive numbers at the registry at the morgue. Every corpse gets a number when it enters the morgue. Some people are identified and released to relatives. Only the ones that could not be identified end up at this lot. The running numbers only apply to this one morgue in Dnepropetrovsk. Other cities have their oven registries and numbers. The graveyard in Lugansk photographed by Graham Phillips showed morgue numbers around 1000.
Based on the numbers I come up with this guestimate of Ukrainian war casualties (KIA):
In morgues:
Dnepropetrovsk: 7000
Kharkov: 4000
Zaporizhia: 3000
Mass graves on the battlefield: 10,000
Total: 24,000

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