Sat Sep 6, 2014, 09:25 AM
antigop (12,778 posts)
Hillary Clinton and Trade Deals: That “Giant Sucking Sound”
http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2014/07/hillary-clinton-trade-deals-giant-sucking-sound.html
Understandably, Hillary Clinton backtracked on NAFTA in 2008 (backtracked as a Democrat, I should say, to avoid the “marital discord” trope), but of course by then the damage was done. ... “A little time out.” Now, I’m not necessarily averse to politicians who backtrack from a policies that are against my values and interests (take that, Edmund Burke) but I would like to know that they don’t then unbacktrack their backtracking, because that confuses my simple mind. And surely, as Secretary of State during Obama’s first term, she would have been privy to the negotiation of future trade deals. So what does she think about them? .... Here again it makes sense to look at Hillary has to say about trade deal in Hard Choices, the baseline she laid down if she should choose to run again. Here are the findings: Rather thin, especially given Clinton’s focus on commerce at State. You’ll notice, first, that oddly, or not, Clinton has nothing to say about NAFTA, unless the oblique reference to “learned the hard way” counts. And she has nothing to say about TTIP, TISA, or GATS. Here’s what she has to say about TPP: It makes sense to reserve judgment until we can evaluate the final proposed agreement. Well, no, it doesn’t. First, if fast track passes — Hard Choices has nothing to say about “fast track,” either — TPP is a pig in a poke; pressure will be so immense to pass it that judgment will be hard to exercise; that’s what fast track is for!
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antigop | Sep 2014 | OP |
djean111 | Sep 2014 | #1 | |
antigop | Sep 2014 | #2 | |
roguevalley | Sep 2014 | #12 | |
Enthusiast | Sep 2014 | #6 | |
adirondacker | Sep 2014 | #11 | |
yurbud | Sep 2014 | #19 | |
antigop | Sep 2014 | #3 | |
NYC_SKP | Sep 2014 | #4 | |
Enthusiast | Sep 2014 | #5 | |
whereisjustice | Sep 2014 | #7 | |
4dsc | Sep 2014 | #8 | |
roguevalley | Sep 2014 | #13 | |
tularetom | Sep 2014 | #9 | |
Hoppy | Sep 2014 | #10 | |
blkmusclmachine | Sep 2014 | #14 | |
DavidG_WI | Sep 2014 | #22 | |
OhioChick | Sep 2014 | #15 | |
antigop | Sep 2014 | #16 | |
OhioChick | Sep 2014 | #17 | |
antigop | Sep 2014 | #18 | |
OhioChick | Sep 2014 | #20 | |
antigop | Sep 2014 | #21 |
Response to antigop (Original post)
Sat Sep 6, 2014, 09:45 AM
djean111 (14,255 posts)
1. Here is what we would be looking forward to (and all those who say the ACA will lead to single payer
have another think coming, if/when the TPP is forced upon us) :
http://www.correntewire.com/slovakias_legal_battle_to_implement_single_payer_vs_special_corporate_rights_under_free_trade Recap: Slovaks were fed up with the ever rising cost of health insurance, so in 2006, they elected a government that ran on a platform promising to limit the profits of the insurers and transition to single payer. Under the trade agreement, enacting single payer causes private insurance to lose profits. I have the feeling, and I hope I am wrong, that Fast Track will just get another cute name and the TPP and all the other "free trade" agreements will be dumped on us before 2016, so that they cannot be attached to a certain prospective Dem candidate. I have noticed that anything Hillary was fond of, like the TPP is, of course, Obama's fault, and Hillary was just a placeholder, doing Obama's bidding. |
Response to djean111 (Reply #1)
Sat Sep 6, 2014, 09:51 AM
antigop (12,778 posts)
2. I seem to remember that "just following orders" wasn't a valid defense. nt
Response to antigop (Reply #2)
Sat Sep 6, 2014, 03:34 PM
roguevalley (40,656 posts)
12. between saying Kissinger is a great guy and this, I could shoot myself.
Response to djean111 (Reply #1)
Sat Sep 6, 2014, 10:21 AM
Enthusiast (50,983 posts)
6. +1 a whole bunch.
Response to djean111 (Reply #1)
Sat Sep 6, 2014, 01:44 PM
adirondacker (2,921 posts)
11. Excellent post! Thanks for the info. nt
Response to djean111 (Reply #1)
Sun Sep 7, 2014, 09:08 PM
yurbud (39,405 posts)
19. awesome, depressing example. I wonder if that's why we didn't get single payer too.
or if it was just the corruption.
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Response to antigop (Original post)
Sat Sep 6, 2014, 09:53 AM
antigop (12,778 posts)
3. Hillary Clinton's Business Legacy at the State Department (leading part in drafting TPP)
Response to antigop (Original post)
Sat Sep 6, 2014, 10:06 AM
NYC_SKP (68,644 posts)
4. Draft Senator Warren for President, 2016 (nt)
Response to antigop (Original post)
Sat Sep 6, 2014, 10:19 AM
Enthusiast (50,983 posts)
5. Kicked and recommended! I agree!
"Well, no, it doesn’t. First, if fast track passes — Hard Choices has nothing to say about “fast track,” either — TPP is a pig in a poke; pressure will be so immense to pass it that judgment will be hard to exercise; that’s what fast track is for!"
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Response to antigop (Original post)
Sat Sep 6, 2014, 10:23 AM
whereisjustice (2,941 posts)
7. Trade Deals: Because we just don't have enough poverty and disparity in the USA
Response to antigop (Original post)
Sat Sep 6, 2014, 10:39 AM
4dsc (5,787 posts)
8. So many things wrong with Hillary
I seem like every time she open her mouth she sound's more a like a republican.
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Response to 4dsc (Reply #8)
Sat Sep 6, 2014, 03:35 PM
roguevalley (40,656 posts)
13. the rich republicans who want Jeb said they would be able to support Hillary if Jeb
doesn't run because they 'like her'.
Kill me. Now. |
Response to antigop (Original post)
Sat Sep 6, 2014, 10:48 AM
tularetom (23,664 posts)
9. Hard Choices my ass, I can tell you what isn't a hard choice
Who not to vote for in your Democratic presidential primary in 2016.
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Response to antigop (Original post)
Sat Sep 6, 2014, 11:02 AM
Hoppy (3,595 posts)
10. WhatdafuxsamatterU? NAFTA's a dead issue. Obama said he's gonna fix it. Just give him time.
Last edited Sat Sep 6, 2014, 08:34 PM - Edit history (1) |
Response to Hoppy (Reply #10)
Sat Sep 6, 2014, 06:27 PM
blkmusclmachine (16,149 posts)
14. Bwahahaha
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Response to Hoppy (Reply #10)
Sun Sep 14, 2014, 03:47 PM
DavidG_WI (245 posts)
22. Capitan Compromise And Fail to the rescue!
Response to antigop (Original post)
Sun Sep 7, 2014, 11:33 AM
OhioChick (21,888 posts)
15. Screw all these free trade agreements
NAFTA decimated Ohio.
As for the TPP, why is this such a big fucking secret? (Negotiations, texts, etc.) I think this line sums up HRC quite well: "she’s a free-trader at heart." Thanks for posting, great article. |
Response to OhioChick (Reply #15)
Sun Sep 7, 2014, 11:42 AM
antigop (12,778 posts)
16. 'They have to be secret, because if the American people knew what was actually in them..."
'They have to be secret, because if the American people knew what was actually in them, they would be opposed.'"
http://www.democracynow.org/2014/5/16/headlines/sen_elizabeth_warren_criticizes_secrecy_of_trade_talks |
Response to antigop (Reply #16)
Sun Sep 7, 2014, 11:47 AM
OhioChick (21,888 posts)
17. Elizabeth Warren really hit the nail on the head
Sen. Elizabeth Warren: "From what I hear, Wall Street, pharmaceuticals, telecom, big polluters and outsourcers are all salivating at the chance to rig the deal in the upcoming trade talks. So the question is: Why are the trade talks secret? You’ll love this answer. Boy, the things you learn on Capitol Hill. I actually have had supporters of the deal say to me, 'They have to be secret, because if the American people knew what was actually in them, they would be opposed.'"
I'm really impressed with her, everything that I've heard her speak of leads me to believe that she's truly on the side of the American People. |
Response to OhioChick (Reply #17)
Sun Sep 7, 2014, 01:22 PM
antigop (12,778 posts)
18. I'd like to know which "supporters of the deal" told her that. nt
Response to antigop (Reply #18)
Fri Sep 12, 2014, 01:47 PM
OhioChick (21,888 posts)