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OhioChick

(23,218 posts)
Tue Jan 13, 2015, 09:43 PM Jan 2015

FBI says John Boehner's Cincinnati-area bartender planned to poison him

Source: Newsnet5.com

Feds: Man said he was Jesus, Boehner was the devil

5:44 PM, Jan 13, 2015

DEER PARK, Ohio - Ebola, evil voices and the devil.

Those are just a few of the things a Butler County bartender cited as reasons he was going to kill House Speaker John Boehner this past fall, federal agents said.

Michael Robert Hoyt, 44, was indicted Jan. 7 on charges of threatening to murder the congressman in a plot authorities said included poisoning his drink at a country club.

Hoyt served drinks to Boehner for more than five years at the Wetherington Country Club in West Chester and was known as “Bartender Mike” to employees there.

Read more: http://www.newsnet5.com/news/local-news/michael-hoyt-john-boehner-plot-fbi-says-boehners-bartender-at-country-club-planned-to-poison-him

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FBI says John Boehner's Cincinnati-area bartender planned to poison him (Original Post) OhioChick Jan 2015 OP
Saw this on Chris Hayes's show. Sienna86 Jan 2015 #1
He'd been going down the rabbit hole for a while Warpy Jan 2015 #5
Something sent him down quick and in a hurry JonLP24 Jan 2015 #34
It's brain chemistry Warpy Jan 2015 #35
I understand it quite well actually JonLP24 Jan 2015 #36
Too bad, really. Warpy Jan 2015 #37
Psychiatric hospital you better hope the one you go to has the right people working there too JonLP24 Jan 2015 #39
I Hope He Gets Help Sparhawk60 Jan 2015 #50
Poor guy,he has slipped over the edge. easychoice Jan 2015 #2
I hear the bartender is not doing well either ybbor Jan 2015 #10
LMAO easychoice Jan 2015 #11
Haha! nt Lucky Luciano Jan 2015 #30
Could this be why Boehner has such a weird color ("John of Orange" according to Obama)? George II Jan 2015 #3
! rurallib Jan 2015 #4
I always thought that was because he's part OopaaLopmpa. icymist Jan 2015 #13
In a Related Story: Medal of Freedom Nominations: Michael Hoyt, Deer Park, Ohio mckara Jan 2015 #6
Alcohol is basically poison, and I think John has been slowly poisoning himself for a long time. olddad56 Jan 2015 #7
That and his cigarettes. George II Jan 2015 #14
Everything is basically poison Major Nikon Jan 2015 #40
I'm kind of surprised sharp_stick Jan 2015 #8
Maybe they have.... atreides1 Jan 2015 #23
That's horrible WhoWoodaKnew Jan 2015 #9
I agree - WAY over the top. mimi85 Jan 2015 #41
The only way to poison Boehner would be to switch his SCOTCH for WATER. TrollBuster9090 Jan 2015 #12
There may be some truth to that. rickford66 Jan 2015 #15
I was thinking more of that old Gilligan's Island episode where the castaways... TrollBuster9090 Jan 2015 #17
Call me cynical, but the whole thing sounds staged. forest444 Jan 2015 #16
Naranjuan Peron? MisterP Jan 2015 #32
Poor man, hope he gets some help Demeter Jan 2015 #18
“Bartender Mike” Spitfire of ATJ Jan 2015 #19
Don't assume the bartender is a liberal Reter Jan 2015 #20
It probabably was..... Grassy Knoll Jan 2015 #24
Kinda reminds me of Bill Hicks comments on Keith Richards..... LongTomH Jan 2015 #21
The FBI shouldn't take it too seriously project_bluebook Jan 2015 #22
I believe him when he says he is Jesus Christ MyNameGoesHere Jan 2015 #25
Horrible! I'm not a Boehner fan, but this is just horrible. JDPriestly Jan 2015 #26
I agree with you. I hate that Boner is so easily manipulated by the Tea Party members napi21 Jan 2015 #31
LOl.... Grassy Knoll Jan 2015 #27
LOL -- I thought it was John Boehner making the claim that a bartender tried to poison him JonLP24 Jan 2015 #28
Boehner is the devil. Not sure about the Jesus thing. Lint Head Jan 2015 #29
Oh shite... ReRe Jan 2015 #33
K&R DeSwiss Jan 2015 #38
Someone put him in contact with Cheney's bartender Doug.Goodall Jan 2015 #42
Wait. This guy is referred to as Boehner's "bartender" ? King_Klonopin Jan 2015 #43
John Boehner's bartender Enrique Jan 2015 #44
Post-traumatic stress n/t Shamash Jan 2015 #45
The guy was obviously so mentally ill he didn't realize Boehner was poisoning himself. Vinca Jan 2015 #46
All the 'threats/charges' were made after the FBI went to interview the man? Sunlei Jan 2015 #47
everybody is so nice on this thread! Sad story and thank goodness Mike is getting help librechik Jan 2015 #48
Ebola, evil voices and the devil is John Boehner! santamargarita Jan 2015 #49
Come on, man, everyone knows you can't kill the Devil! What was he thinking? Elmer S. E. Dump Jan 2015 #51
Pay your tab next time Boehner SummerSnow Jan 2015 #52

Warpy

(110,913 posts)
5. He'd been going down the rabbit hole for a while
Tue Jan 13, 2015, 10:04 PM
Jan 2015

which is probably why he got fired. This is sad more than anything else.

Jail: evidence of our culture's compassion toward mental illness.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
34. Something sent him down quick and in a hurry
Wed Jan 14, 2015, 01:15 AM
Jan 2015

He's known him for 5 years, he was fired this year. It helps to understand everything, even the logic behind the delusions. The tricky thing is reality & psychosis overlaps ah it is hard to describe but the person that knows best what he is seeing, hearing, thinking and how much of that pertains to reality and how much pertains to the delusions, voices, and don't know if he sees things that aren't there is the person experiencing the delusions.

Compassion towards mental illness wouldn't help unless there was a clear understanding. Obviously if he hears something no one else hears you tell him it didn't exist. But if he tells you something you couldn't otherwise confirm you wouldn't say if it isn't real (unless it is something like a creature that doesn't exist like a flying dragon or something like that) because you weren't there either but even he gave an accurate intepretation it would still likely be doubted because of the psychosis. That kind of sickness sucks because reality & the psychosis happen at the same time. There is just a portion of that reality that only you are experiencing but the last thing anyone should ever assume is they lack intelligence. Is not that kind of mental illness.

They actually make the perfect victims since the do hear things, see things, & have delusions that aren't grounded in reality so if they make claims against you, no one would believe them. I would like to know his full story, I'd think I'd do a good job of weeding the fact from the fiction, just interested in how Boehner (both the reality & the delusional reasons) that sent him down the rabbit hole. It would go a long way in getting him the help he needs.

Warpy

(110,913 posts)
35. It's brain chemistry
Wed Jan 14, 2015, 01:22 AM
Jan 2015

While once in a while it can be due to sleep deprivation on meth use, it's usually something you can't pin any person, place or thing on as causing it.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
36. I understand it quite well actually
Wed Jan 14, 2015, 01:31 AM
Jan 2015

I understand it enough that if you ever experienced it you do more harm than good sharing that information when it could be simply two people are in a room, you hear something you know isn't real but you tell them anyways. You told them truth, you heard something. The sound didn't exist but you heard it. That person's natural reaction is to doubt everything you say and think you're crazy for the rest of his/her life. It backfires.

Sleep deprivation is a good example actually, when you experience it do you know it isn't real as well? I know with psychosis it can seem so real which leads to convincing delusions.

The thing that sucks for him is no one is going to believe anything he has to say for the rest of his life which means he may be the perfect victim one day.

Warpy

(110,913 posts)
37. Too bad, really.
Wed Jan 14, 2015, 01:34 AM
Jan 2015

I've never told anybody that what they saw or heard wasn't real, of course it was real to them. I just told them what I could see and hear.

You're right, of course, and if you're not nuts when you go into a psychiatric hospital, they'll medicalize everything you say until you think you are.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
39. Psychiatric hospital you better hope the one you go to has the right people working there too
Wed Jan 14, 2015, 01:40 AM
Jan 2015

wrong worker or wrong group of workers, chances are you're already mentally vulnerable. If a gaslighter (basically convincing someone they are experiencing psychosis when they really aren't) is working there your life is over, you're going to go through in my mind the cruelest form of a torture which will literally make you crazy and I can start crying thinking about it.

This is why I'm so quick to say don't doubt the crazies.

My point and I was trying to emphasize with that example is not denying he didn't hear it, its that he is intelligent enough to know that voice isn't real when he hears implying there are other things he knows is real or isn't (like him saying he was recently fired)

icymist

(15,888 posts)
13. I always thought that was because he's part OopaaLopmpa.
Tue Jan 13, 2015, 11:11 PM
Jan 2015

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sharp_stick

(14,400 posts)
8. I'm kind of surprised
Tue Jan 13, 2015, 10:52 PM
Jan 2015

that everyone who'd come into contact with that worthless piece of shit hasn't felt the urge to poison him.

TrollBuster9090

(5,953 posts)
12. The only way to poison Boehner would be to switch his SCOTCH for WATER.
Tue Jan 13, 2015, 11:06 PM
Jan 2015

No doubt he'd die from the shock.

Other than that, based on his coloring, I'd say he's survived several attempts at poisoning, and his liver has probably built up quite an immunity.

rickford66

(5,498 posts)
15. There may be some truth to that.
Tue Jan 13, 2015, 11:18 PM
Jan 2015

There was a newspaper article prominently displayed in my Grandfather's bar which related the death of a man who never drank anything but alcohol until one day he took a drink of water and dropped dead. Coulda been a fake story, but it sold drinks.

TrollBuster9090

(5,953 posts)
17. I was thinking more of that old Gilligan's Island episode where the castaways...
Tue Jan 13, 2015, 11:23 PM
Jan 2015

try to drink the Russian cosmonauts under the table with Vodka. The castaways are secretly drinking water out of a Vodka bottle, and the Russians don't actually pass out until they take a swig of the water. I'm sure Boehner has the same metabolism.

forest444

(5,902 posts)
16. Call me cynical, but the whole thing sounds staged.
Tue Jan 13, 2015, 11:21 PM
Jan 2015

Rather like Juan Perón's "exploding" car trunk (courtesy of special effects people in Argentine cinema who were friends with Evita), or Stalin's ongoing discoveries of "plots" against himself or his regime. While it's true that this kind of ploy is usually associated with autocrats, you might remember that a number of House Republicans were publicly accusing the president of planning the very thing (a staged attempt on his own life) shortly before the 2012 elections.

Perhaps Orange Man let the idea linger, and the timing is certainly fortuitous. As contrived as these particular "revelations" sound, I certainly wouldn't put it past him.

 

Reter

(2,188 posts)
20. Don't assume the bartender is a liberal
Tue Jan 13, 2015, 11:41 PM
Jan 2015

I bet he's a Tea Bagger. They hate Boehner more than we do. And they're crazier.

Grassy Knoll

(10,118 posts)
24. It probabably was.....
Wed Jan 14, 2015, 12:10 AM
Jan 2015

But don't expect the truth, fucked Noise will blame everybody else but their own creation.

LongTomH

(8,636 posts)
21. Kinda reminds me of Bill Hicks comments on Keith Richards.....
Tue Jan 13, 2015, 11:57 PM
Jan 2015

If you remember, Keith Richards has been the poster child for every form of substance abuse for decades. Bill joked that, if the drugs didn't kill him, probably nothing would: "It there's a nuclear war, the survivors would be Keith Richards and cockroaches!"

Cockroaches, Keith Richards and John Boehner!!!!!

 

MyNameGoesHere

(7,638 posts)
25. I believe him when he says he is Jesus Christ
Wed Jan 14, 2015, 12:10 AM
Jan 2015

and I for one would not want to stand in the way of the almighty. Go ahead Jesus, you're the boss.

“Hoyt told the officer he was Jesus Christ and he was going to kill Boehner because Boehner was mean to him at the country club and because Boehner is responsible for Ebola,”

napi21

(45,806 posts)
31. I agree with you. I hate that Boner is so easily manipulated by the Tea Party members
Wed Jan 14, 2015, 12:26 AM
Jan 2015

of his caucus, but he at least tried to work with Obama, and got pummeled for doing so. I think it horrible when anybody attempts to murder anyone, let alone a member of Congress or the President.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
28. LOL -- I thought it was John Boehner making the claim that a bartender tried to poison him
Wed Jan 14, 2015, 12:18 AM
Jan 2015

Last edited Wed Jan 14, 2015, 12:52 AM - Edit history (1)

He knows something about Boehner more than the rest of us. It doesn't have to be Ebola, he does apply a lot of logic only the Ebola thing is out of left field, just because someone is crazy doesn't mean everything they say isn't credible.

Take the letter it is a reasonable that understands why they wouldn't want to go with him he just wanted go to safe place to have a discussion. Saying he hasn't lied or exaggerated right after admitting he could have poisoned him.

Hear me out, he tells you he heard the Devil's voice. All that means is he heard it. That is a truthful statement, psychosis and real life overlap but don't take it as anything else he says less credible because that is a credible statement.

The mentally ill often make perfect victims because no one will believe him because he is crazy, he describes what is likely a delusion but there is a thought process or appearance of events that leads to the delusion.

That ebola thing is the kicker, it seems the behavior of someone who knows he is crazy, knows everyone else knows who is crazy desperately wants to expose a sociopath but the Ebola thing loses the whole thing. I'd still hear him out because reality & psychosis overlap and happen at the same time. It is hard to explain if you haven't experienced it yourself. It certainly isn't something you want to admit to because everything else you may say will be doubted for simply being accurate in describing the psychosis reality. You can understand both at the same time.

The ebola thing is really off though. Just something about it, everything I can make sense of is ebola. I just see ebola, he wants to confront him over ebola, a note about ebola but the thing it lacks is an explanation why he feels he is responsible for bringing ebola and everything attributed comes from officers, agents, and a note and I can go down the conspiracy theory rabbit hole.

I'll just say it is odd.

Vinca

(50,172 posts)
46. The guy was obviously so mentally ill he didn't realize Boehner was poisoning himself.
Wed Jan 14, 2015, 09:04 AM
Jan 2015

Given the Speaker's skin color, how much liver can possibly be left?

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
47. All the 'threats/charges' were made after the FBI went to interview the man?
Wed Jan 14, 2015, 09:16 AM
Jan 2015

I'd like to see the context of the 'threats' if indeed the 'threats' came from the FBI interview?

The man was told he was fired because of 'work complaints' from customers. He had a longterm medical issue and was under Doctors treatment. Looks to me on the surface the man was upset about losing his job and thought Boner was one of the customers who complained. So he sent an email (probably a dumb idea)to the one customer he thought would 'remember him'.

I guess Boehner turned the email over to the FBI.

Of course the FBI would visit and have one of their longgggg interviews, asking the man his thoughts about what he 'could have done' in his work position. So are the charges based on thoughts? or reality of an actual threat? The man has already lost access to Boehner when he lost his job.

The only positive is if the Feds toss him in Federal prison for a couple decades, he will probably get decent medical treatment.

librechik

(30,663 posts)
48. everybody is so nice on this thread! Sad story and thank goodness Mike is getting help
Wed Jan 14, 2015, 11:01 AM
Jan 2015

however, I wonder what made him think Boehner is evil? Five years of exposure to Reality?

and no Boner jokes?

what, no "justifiable homicide?'"

no " What did he use, Agent Orange?"

no "That's no bartender--it's the exorcist!"

no "too bad Boner isn't Jesus, everybody would get foodstamps!"

no "hey, it's not the first time Boner has handled a Poison Pill!"

no "Obama did it!"

I could go on and on--if it weren't in such bad taste...

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