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Fri Jan 2, 2015, 10:59 PM

Pittsburgh Police Chief Under Fire For Controversial Photo, Union Says Calls Department Racists

Source: CBS Pittsburgh

Marty Griffin

PITTSBURGH (KDKA) – Pittsburgh’s Police Chief is under fire for a controversial photo that is making its rounds on Facebook, and some are saying the Chief called his entire department racist.

It happened during the First Night parade.

The protest group called Fight Back Pittsburgh carried signs saying “End White Silence.”

On their Facebook page a photograph of Pittsburgh Police Chief Cameron McLay holding one of the group’s banners, a poster that stated, “I resolve to challenge racism @ work #EndWhiteSilence.”

FULL story at link.





Read more: http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2015/01/02/pittsburgh-police-chief-under-fire-for-controversial-photo-union-says-calls-department-racists/

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Reply Pittsburgh Police Chief Under Fire For Controversial Photo, Union Says Calls Department Racists (Original post)
Omaha Steve Jan 2015 OP
Chakab Jan 2015 #1
Cooley Hurd Jan 2015 #2
KMOD Jan 2015 #3
Spitfire of ATJ Jan 2015 #46
staggerleem Jan 2015 #54
NYC_SKP Jan 2015 #4
randys1 Jan 2015 #26
NYC_SKP Jan 2015 #28
randys1 Jan 2015 #29
Spitfire of ATJ Jan 2015 #47
adieu Jan 2015 #5
shenmue Jan 2015 #6
bluestateguy Jan 2015 #7
SwankyXomb Jan 2015 #10
randys1 Jan 2015 #27
ncjustice80 Jan 2015 #36
sendero Jan 2015 #39
JustAnotherGen Jan 2015 #53
NickB79 Jan 2015 #55
pasto76 Jan 2015 #8
awoke_in_2003 Jan 2015 #11
MissKat Jan 2015 #17
awoke_in_2003 Jan 2015 #33
Spitfire of ATJ Jan 2015 #48
pasto76 Jan 2015 #23
awoke_in_2003 Jan 2015 #34
bread_and_roses Jan 2015 #24
awoke_in_2003 Jan 2015 #35
happyslug Jan 2015 #41
Ramses Jan 2015 #9
awoke_in_2003 Jan 2015 #12
marym625 Jan 2015 #13
happyslug Jan 2015 #14
IronLionZion Jan 2015 #21
greyl Jan 2015 #15
sendero Jan 2015 #40
Feral Child Jan 2015 #16
marble falls Jan 2015 #18
malthaussen Jan 2015 #19
samsingh Jan 2015 #20
Shemp Howard Jan 2015 #22
mountain grammy Jan 2015 #25
MatthewStLouis Jan 2015 #32
sarge43 Jan 2015 #30
MatthewStLouis Jan 2015 #31
99th_Monkey Jan 2015 #37
concreteblue Jan 2015 #38
BlueJazz Jan 2015 #42
certainot Jan 2015 #43
BobTheSubgenius Jan 2015 #44
cstanleytech Jan 2015 #45
johnnylefty2000 Jan 2015 #49
drynberg Jan 2015 #50
Turbineguy Jan 2015 #51
The Green Manalishi Jan 2015 #52

Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Fri Jan 2, 2015, 11:02 PM

1. I knew this was coming.

 

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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Fri Jan 2, 2015, 11:09 PM

2. He is taking the appropriate tack...

 

...and investigating whether or not there are issues with race in his department. Yet, others behind the "Blue Curtain" are questioning this VERY LOGICAL move??

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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Fri Jan 2, 2015, 11:11 PM

3. You have got to be kidding me

 



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Response to KMOD (Reply #3)

Sun Jan 4, 2015, 01:11 PM

46. It's the "You are either with us or against us" tactic....

 

Things are getting so bad that you have to remind people there is such a thing as a black cop.

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Response to Spitfire of ATJ (Reply #46)

Tue Jan 6, 2015, 01:28 PM

54. It's also apparent that there is no "part way" here.

 

In other words, you either give 100% support to 100% of the police force, or you're a cop-hater!

Seems like a losing cause to me, but I tend to be somewhat accepting of ambivalence, as I'm so often there myself. No room for it here, though, and more's the pity.

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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Fri Jan 2, 2015, 11:12 PM

4. Fuck the union. I see a white man challenging other white LEOs to step up and join the human race.

 

I can relate to a man drawing scorn for doing the right thing at his workplace.

Good for him.

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Response to NYC_SKP (Reply #4)

Sat Jan 3, 2015, 01:22 PM

26. How can WE show support for the guy? Facebook?

The racist garbage are a vocal bunch, we need to be also.

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Response to NYC_SKP (Reply #28)

Sat Jan 3, 2015, 01:37 PM

29. thanks, done

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Response to NYC_SKP (Reply #4)

Sun Jan 4, 2015, 01:12 PM

47. I see a new head of the union being a black woman.

 

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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Fri Jan 2, 2015, 11:14 PM

5. The police union should show they're not racists

 

by NOT BEING RACISTS!

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Response to adieu (Reply #5)

Fri Jan 2, 2015, 11:21 PM

6. Now there's a thought

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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Fri Jan 2, 2015, 11:21 PM

7. Who gives a shit what a bunch of union thugs think?

If they don't like it they can find someplace else to work.

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Response to bluestateguy (Reply #7)

Sat Jan 3, 2015, 01:01 AM

10. i'm sure the usual band

of cop apologists will be along soon enough to attack you as anti-union.

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Response to bluestateguy (Reply #7)

Sat Jan 3, 2015, 01:23 PM

27. Union folks are not thugs, cops can be thugs, but your comment sure could

be thought of as saying union people in general are thugs.

Now, union folks are always negotiating with thugs, yes.

The confusing part is by allowing cops to have unions you both cast negative light on unions in general and you give murderers cover...

Until we have disarmed America, including cops, their union situation needs a re tool

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Response to randys1 (Reply #27)

Sat Jan 3, 2015, 03:23 PM

36. ^^^this

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Response to randys1 (Reply #27)

Sat Jan 3, 2015, 04:48 PM

39. "Until we have disarmed America,...

... Until we have disarmed America, including cops, their union situation needs a re tool"

Which is another way of saying "never".

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Response to randys1 (Reply #27)

Mon Jan 5, 2015, 02:14 PM

53. Brilliant Randy!

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Response to randys1 (Reply #27)

Tue Jan 6, 2015, 03:51 PM

55. Who do you propose do the disarming?

Oh, that's right.

The cops.

With their guns.

Sure thing, sounds great

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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Fri Jan 2, 2015, 11:41 PM

8. PPD had a refromation 20 year ago when Jonny Gammage was killed while cuffed with a knee in his back

cousin of then Steeler player Ray Seals, it was quite a thing in the city. before the mature internet and well before viral videos, but it made quite an impact there.

if a cop thinks this is 'calling the whole department racist', i suggest thats guilt telling him that.

Can tell this Chief aint no jag off.

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Response to pasto76 (Reply #8)

Sat Jan 3, 2015, 01:30 AM

11. "Can tell this Chief aint no jag off"

 

I can see yinz speak Pittsburghese

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Response to awoke_in_2003 (Reply #11)

Sat Jan 3, 2015, 09:06 AM

17. Pixburg or Picksburg

After I get done redding up from Christmas I'm going dahn-town to check out the sales.
Go Stillers! Cause Pixburgers bleed black and gold.
And y'uns who don't like the Stillers, well-- you're just jag-offs.

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Response to MissKat (Reply #17)

Sat Jan 3, 2015, 02:30 PM

33. I was born in Steubenville, OH

 

about 45 minutes away, so I am not totally fluent My uncle has lived in Pittsburgh my whole life. Of course, I love the Stillers

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Response to MissKat (Reply #17)

Sun Jan 4, 2015, 01:16 PM

48. That goes down well with Schlitz.

 

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Response to awoke_in_2003 (Reply #11)

Sat Jan 3, 2015, 12:17 PM

23. Born and raised

I grew up in the south hills. mom and Dad grew up in southside. that show on A&E has been pretty amusing for me. My wife - a wyominig girl - can barely understand them sometimes. Ever watch Pittsburgh Dad videos on youtube? outrageously funny

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Response to pasto76 (Reply #23)

Sat Jan 3, 2015, 02:31 PM

34. I will have to look it up. nt

 

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Response to awoke_in_2003 (Reply #11)

Sat Jan 3, 2015, 12:33 PM

24. Love that, LOL - "yinz"

we said "yinz" - grew up outside the city, one of the little mill towns along the Ohio - what a blast of memory that "yinz" gave me

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Response to bread_and_roses (Reply #24)

Sat Jan 3, 2015, 02:32 PM

35. Cool

 

but I have a hankering for Primanti's now.

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Response to pasto76 (Reply #8)

Sat Jan 3, 2015, 06:08 PM

41. Gamage was killed by Whitehall Borough Police NOT Pittsburgh Police

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonny_Gammage

The suburbs of Pittsburgh Police tend to be been formed by ex police officers from the Steel Valley Mill Communities not the City of Pittsburgh. The City Police were known to be political hacks and thus rarely known to do to many acts of violence. The Valley Police tend to be tied in with the anti-Union movement among the Steel Valley from the 1860s to the 1930s. Thus these suburban police are more head bashers then the City Police.

This division is not as severe was in was in the post WWII era, but it still exists to a degree.

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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Sat Jan 3, 2015, 12:30 AM

9. i hope this guy brings needed reform to the PPD

 

The last chief was involved in all kinds of legal problems. Just google police chief pittsburgh convictions... the rot in that dept is deep.

I hope th new chief gets to the root of corruption

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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Sat Jan 3, 2015, 01:31 AM

12. Go chief...

 

when the good cops start addressing the bad cops things will start getting better.

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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Sat Jan 3, 2015, 01:56 AM

13. Police unions are giving unions a bad name

What a shitty response.

So sick of both the racism and the denial of it

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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Sat Jan 3, 2015, 03:50 AM

14. He has only been the Police Chief Since September

 

Technically he did not become even a Police Officer till December 30th, when the State waived the residency requirements for being a Police Officer in Pennsylvania. This was a legal technicality for Pennsylvania has a law since the Homestead Strike 1892 that all police officer must have lived in Pennsylvania for one year prior to becoming a police officer (unless a written waiver is given by the State). Thus unless you get a waiver from the State, no one can be a police officer in Pennsylvania unless he or she had lived in Pennsylvania for a year. The present Police Chief had been the Police Chief of Madison Wisconsin, thus he was not formally a police officer till December 30th, through he has been running the Department since September.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pittsburgh_Police_Chief

http://www.post-gazette.com/local/city/2014/09/02/Pittsburgh-to-name-new-police-chief-this-afternoon/stories/201409020123

KDKA, the Pittsburgh CBS affiliate report this as being protested by the Police, but no one else does, inlcuding the Pittsburgh Post Gazette.

The National FOP Made a nice statement on this situation, through you have to get around the attacks on the people protesting about police brutality:


Press Release from President Neri
December 23, 2014

Editor:

As police officers, we know that we can never predict what will happen when we put on our uniform each day. This simple fact was made very apparent with the brutal execution of two New York City police officers this past weekend. It was a scene that hit close to home for Pennsylvanians who continue to mourn the death and injury of our officers recently attacked at their own barracks in Blooming Grove.

Sadly, we were reminded again of the evil that exists in this world through events like these. Now more than ever, we need to rally around our brave men and women in uniform.

It's the job of all police officers to rush into danger to help those in need, regardless of personal risk, and they fully accept that risk every day. They face the worst criminals imaginable, and all too often those criminals use violence against police officers.

Nationally, 114 police officers have been killed in the line of duty this year alone. Four right here in Pennsylvania.

Each of these courageous officers from Pennsylvania and New York took a solemn oath to protect and serve their fellow citizens – an oath they honored by giving their last full measure of devotion to fulfill it. Let us always remember our fallen brothers as heroic and humble public servants who laid down their lives to serve and protect us all.

Les Neri, President

FOP, PA State Lodge

STATEMENT OF CHUCK CANTERBURY, NATIONAL PRESIDENT, FRATERNAL ORDER OF POLICE
DECEMBER 21,2014

Yesterday, NYPD Officers Rafael Ramos and Wenjian Liu were murdered in New York City by a coward who invoked race as a motive.

ENOUGH IS ENOUGH! Politicians have spent the months since the tragedy in Ferguson piously wringing their hands and bemoaning the lack of trust of police by the minority community. Mayors and Congressmen and Senators and professional racists from all sides have seized on the moment to advance their often self serving opinions of what is wrong in America as a hyperventilating media nods knowingly and faithfully reports each and every word. Enough is enough.

While these politicians and their retinues ignore the decaying infrastructure of our cities, the substandard educational system, the nonexistent families, the poor nutrition, the lack of employment opportunities- all of which create a toxic environment which breeds crime- they focus with laser vision on every real or perceived mistake made by the cops fighting a running battle to keep the streets safe for our poorest and most disadvantaged citizens in our country's worst pockets.

Enough is enough. There's nothing wrong with the way cops do their jobs that won't be fixed when politicians suck it up and attack the problems that breed poverty and crime- but they're not going to do that. The media professes shock when we speak out - well, buckle them on America- you're going to hear a lot from our 325,000 members in the days and months ahead. Some of you may not like it, but you would do well to listen. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH

http://www.pafop.org/


In many ways we should back this statement, even the politicians who are being attacked by it, by saying we are for the same thing as the Pennsylvania State Lodge of the FOP, we want such get people to trust the police by showing that if the Police act unlawfully they will be punished. Trust is a two way street, people must believe that the police are there to help them, a position many minority people do not believe. The police MUST build up that trust by turning in those officer who break that trust. Thus the officers in Furguson should go on trial for manslaughter and that charge be brought by the Missouri State Attorney General.

A nice statement like the one above will force the FOP to agree with it, and thus reject their own statement, or accept it and point out the need for accountability.

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Response to happyslug (Reply #14)

Sat Jan 3, 2015, 10:26 AM

21. Picksburgers imported a liberal from Madison, WI?

Nice!

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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Sat Jan 3, 2015, 04:16 AM

15. Every move the police unions have been making is wrong.

I haven't heard a quote from them that wasn't stupid - tea party stupid.
And it's like they aren't fighting for better salaries, they're fighting for power privileges.

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Response to greyl (Reply #15)

Sat Jan 3, 2015, 04:51 PM

40. In NY..

... they are fighting for both.

It is astounding, you can tell from their comments and their attitude that saying "they don't get it" is the understatement of the century.

But as cops continue to eff up with impunity and with the assumption that everyone thinks as they do, something along the lines of "if we do it, it's legal", they are about to see their little sandbox taken away, at last.

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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Sat Jan 3, 2015, 08:46 AM

16. K&R n/t

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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Sat Jan 3, 2015, 09:24 AM

18. If they weren't racist, how'd they come to feel accused of being racist? They should be backing....

the chief.

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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Sat Jan 3, 2015, 10:02 AM

19. This story shows why the media suck these days

1) The picture is only "controversial" because some ass took offense.
2) By giving said ass a venue to vent, they validate his postition.

As for the union, we've already had this discussion. Police unions are giving cops a bad name.

Last thought for the compaintant: if the shoe fits...

-- Mal

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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Sat Jan 3, 2015, 10:12 AM

20. perhaps the department has something to hide

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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Sat Jan 3, 2015, 10:36 AM

22. I kind of wish that...

...the Chief's sign had read "End Blue Silence" instead.

Sure, I get it that most (maybe all) police racism and police physical abuse can be traced back to white cops. But behind it all is the famous Blue Wall of Silence.

Frank Serpico (a white man) unsuccessfully fought against the Wall. And ex-Pittsburgh Police Chief Nate Harper (a black man) used the Wall as cover to steal money from his department.

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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Sat Jan 3, 2015, 01:16 PM

25. Once again, the thin blue skin..

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Response to mountain grammy (Reply #25)

Sat Jan 3, 2015, 02:03 PM

32. Great term.

And isn't there always a little truth to the thing that bothers these thin skinned people?!

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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Sat Jan 3, 2015, 01:55 PM

30. Touch a nerve, he did.

Good.

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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Sat Jan 3, 2015, 02:01 PM

31. How in hell can he be under fire for this?!

People (conservatives mostly) need to take off the blinders. Racism exists. Some conservatives used to, at the very least, admit that everyone can be racist. But now after over 6 years of non-stop racist anti-Obama commentary, they want to pretend we are in a post-racism utopia? Jeezus!


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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Sat Jan 3, 2015, 04:43 PM

37. I wish the Police Chief well. OMG? A good cop for reals.

 

And the "union"s response is sadly so predictable.

WTF is it with these "police unions" . I thought unions were bastions
of justice, liberty and fairness, not bigotry, hate and corruption.

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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Sat Jan 3, 2015, 04:45 PM

38. As the famous Kentucky Republican once said:

"Throw a rock over the fence, the dog that holler's the one you hit."

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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Sat Jan 3, 2015, 09:22 PM

42. Sounds like a share of a certain police department should not be working as police officers.

 

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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Sun Jan 4, 2015, 01:17 AM

43. under fire means some republican radio blowhards will continue to enjoy their

free speech free ride from the left to attack the people who move the conversation, and thereby distort it and end it as needed by the 1%'s think tanks, unchallenged by the left's orgs, which are made useless again by the right's rw radio advantage.

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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Sun Jan 4, 2015, 02:51 AM

44. Why just react when you can over-react?

His message could apply to one, or even zero, active duty cops. Grow a skin, for one thing...and, more to the point, should he be silent, should he NOT confront racism at work? In police work, of ALL professions.

For some reason, a short clip from the Simpsons comes to mind: a Fox News helicopter with the slogan "Not Racist, But #1 With Racists."

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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Sun Jan 4, 2015, 08:04 AM

45. Sounds like some people need to grow a thicker skin as he didnt call the department racist

and you would think that a union would support making sure racism isnt happening in the work place.

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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Sun Jan 4, 2015, 01:28 PM

49. Weird

 

I would think the union would support fighting racism in the work place. Unions are there to support the workers, so fighting racism would be one way to make it easier on the workers there. If racism is a problem then the union needs to address it and help work towards fixing the problem. Also, this isn't calling the department racist, its speaking out against racism. Just because hes a cop does not mean he has to be a racist bastard. People also seem to forget that white cops aren't the only kind of cops.

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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Sun Jan 4, 2015, 05:00 PM

50. By pledging to end white silence, the Cheif ain't calling anyone Racist...Guilty?

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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Sun Jan 4, 2015, 05:03 PM

51. It's a bit like calling somebody

who steals from you a thief. They are generally offended by it.

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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Sun Jan 4, 2015, 06:27 PM

52. If the shoe fits ....

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