Fri Jan 2, 2015, 10:59 PM
Omaha Steve (86,506 posts)
Pittsburgh Police Chief Under Fire For Controversial Photo, Union Says Calls Department Racists
Source: CBS Pittsburgh
Marty Griffin PITTSBURGH (KDKA) – Pittsburgh’s Police Chief is under fire for a controversial photo that is making its rounds on Facebook, and some are saying the Chief called his entire department racist. It happened during the First Night parade. The protest group called Fight Back Pittsburgh carried signs saying “End White Silence.” On their Facebook page a photograph of Pittsburgh Police Chief Cameron McLay holding one of the group’s banners, a poster that stated, “I resolve to challenge racism @ work #EndWhiteSilence.” FULL story at link. ![]() Read more: http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2015/01/02/pittsburgh-police-chief-under-fire-for-controversial-photo-union-says-calls-department-racists/
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Author | Time | Post |
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Omaha Steve | Jan 2015 | OP |
Chakab | Jan 2015 | #1 | |
Cooley Hurd | Jan 2015 | #2 | |
KMOD | Jan 2015 | #3 | |
Spitfire of ATJ | Jan 2015 | #46 | |
staggerleem | Jan 2015 | #54 | |
NYC_SKP | Jan 2015 | #4 | |
randys1 | Jan 2015 | #26 | |
NYC_SKP | Jan 2015 | #28 | |
randys1 | Jan 2015 | #29 | |
Spitfire of ATJ | Jan 2015 | #47 | |
adieu | Jan 2015 | #5 | |
shenmue | Jan 2015 | #6 | |
bluestateguy | Jan 2015 | #7 | |
SwankyXomb | Jan 2015 | #10 | |
randys1 | Jan 2015 | #27 | |
ncjustice80 | Jan 2015 | #36 | |
sendero | Jan 2015 | #39 | |
JustAnotherGen | Jan 2015 | #53 | |
NickB79 | Jan 2015 | #55 | |
pasto76 | Jan 2015 | #8 | |
awoke_in_2003 | Jan 2015 | #11 | |
MissKat | Jan 2015 | #17 | |
awoke_in_2003 | Jan 2015 | #33 | |
Spitfire of ATJ | Jan 2015 | #48 | |
pasto76 | Jan 2015 | #23 | |
awoke_in_2003 | Jan 2015 | #34 | |
bread_and_roses | Jan 2015 | #24 | |
awoke_in_2003 | Jan 2015 | #35 | |
happyslug | Jan 2015 | #41 | |
Ramses | Jan 2015 | #9 | |
awoke_in_2003 | Jan 2015 | #12 | |
marym625 | Jan 2015 | #13 | |
happyslug | Jan 2015 | #14 | |
IronLionZion | Jan 2015 | #21 | |
greyl | Jan 2015 | #15 | |
sendero | Jan 2015 | #40 | |
Feral Child | Jan 2015 | #16 | |
marble falls | Jan 2015 | #18 | |
malthaussen | Jan 2015 | #19 | |
samsingh | Jan 2015 | #20 | |
Shemp Howard | Jan 2015 | #22 | |
mountain grammy | Jan 2015 | #25 | |
MatthewStLouis | Jan 2015 | #32 | |
sarge43 | Jan 2015 | #30 | |
MatthewStLouis | Jan 2015 | #31 | |
99th_Monkey | Jan 2015 | #37 | |
concreteblue | Jan 2015 | #38 | |
BlueJazz | Jan 2015 | #42 | |
certainot | Jan 2015 | #43 | |
BobTheSubgenius | Jan 2015 | #44 | |
cstanleytech | Jan 2015 | #45 | |
johnnylefty2000 | Jan 2015 | #49 | |
drynberg | Jan 2015 | #50 | |
Turbineguy | Jan 2015 | #51 | |
The Green Manalishi | Jan 2015 | #52 |
Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)
Fri Jan 2, 2015, 11:02 PM
Chakab (1,727 posts)
1. I knew this was coming.
Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)
Fri Jan 2, 2015, 11:09 PM
Cooley Hurd (26,877 posts)
2. He is taking the appropriate tack...
...and investigating whether or not there are issues with race in his department. Yet, others behind the "Blue Curtain" are questioning this VERY LOGICAL move??
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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)
Fri Jan 2, 2015, 11:11 PM
KMOD (7,906 posts)
3. You have got to be kidding me
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Response to KMOD (Reply #3)
Sun Jan 4, 2015, 01:11 PM
Spitfire of ATJ (32,723 posts)
46. It's the "You are either with us or against us" tactic....
Things are getting so bad that you have to remind people there is such a thing as a black cop.
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Response to Spitfire of ATJ (Reply #46)
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 01:28 PM
staggerleem (469 posts)
54. It's also apparent that there is no "part way" here.
In other words, you either give 100% support to 100% of the police force, or you're a cop-hater!
Seems like a losing cause to me, but I tend to be somewhat accepting of ambivalence, as I'm so often there myself. No room for it here, though, and more's the pity. |
Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)
Fri Jan 2, 2015, 11:12 PM
NYC_SKP (68,644 posts)
4. Fuck the union. I see a white man challenging other white LEOs to step up and join the human race.
I can relate to a man drawing scorn for doing the right thing at his workplace.
Good for him. |
Response to NYC_SKP (Reply #4)
Sat Jan 3, 2015, 01:22 PM
randys1 (16,286 posts)
26. How can WE show support for the guy? Facebook?
The racist garbage are a vocal bunch, we need to be also.
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Response to randys1 (Reply #26)
Sat Jan 3, 2015, 01:34 PM
NYC_SKP (68,644 posts)
28. Yes, here's a Facebook link and post to share:
Response to NYC_SKP (Reply #4)
Sun Jan 4, 2015, 01:12 PM
Spitfire of ATJ (32,723 posts)
47. I see a new head of the union being a black woman.
Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)
Fri Jan 2, 2015, 11:14 PM
adieu (1,009 posts)
5. The police union should show they're not racists
by NOT BEING RACISTS!
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Response to adieu (Reply #5)
Fri Jan 2, 2015, 11:21 PM
shenmue (38,205 posts)
6. Now there's a thought
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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)
Fri Jan 2, 2015, 11:21 PM
bluestateguy (44,173 posts)
7. Who gives a shit what a bunch of union thugs think?
If they don't like it they can find someplace else to work.
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Response to bluestateguy (Reply #7)
Sat Jan 3, 2015, 01:01 AM
SwankyXomb (2,030 posts)
10. i'm sure the usual band
of cop apologists will be along soon enough to attack you as anti-union.
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Response to bluestateguy (Reply #7)
Sat Jan 3, 2015, 01:23 PM
randys1 (16,286 posts)
27. Union folks are not thugs, cops can be thugs, but your comment sure could
be thought of as saying union people in general are thugs.
Now, union folks are always negotiating with thugs, yes. The confusing part is by allowing cops to have unions you both cast negative light on unions in general and you give murderers cover... Until we have disarmed America, including cops, their union situation needs a re tool |
Response to randys1 (Reply #27)
Sat Jan 3, 2015, 04:48 PM
sendero (28,552 posts)
39. "Until we have disarmed America,...
... Until we have disarmed America, including cops, their union situation needs a re tool"
Which is another way of saying "never". |
Response to randys1 (Reply #27)
Mon Jan 5, 2015, 02:14 PM
JustAnotherGen (29,791 posts)
53. Brilliant Randy!
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Response to randys1 (Reply #27)
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 03:51 PM
NickB79 (17,022 posts)
55. Who do you propose do the disarming?
Oh, that's right.
The cops. With their guns. Sure thing, sounds great ![]() |
Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)
Fri Jan 2, 2015, 11:41 PM
pasto76 (1,589 posts)
8. PPD had a refromation 20 year ago when Jonny Gammage was killed while cuffed with a knee in his back
cousin of then Steeler player Ray Seals, it was quite a thing in the city. before the mature internet and well before viral videos, but it made quite an impact there.
if a cop thinks this is 'calling the whole department racist', i suggest thats guilt telling him that. Can tell this Chief aint no jag off. |
Response to pasto76 (Reply #8)
Sat Jan 3, 2015, 01:30 AM
awoke_in_2003 (34,582 posts)
11. "Can tell this Chief aint no jag off"
I can see yinz speak Pittsburghese
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Response to awoke_in_2003 (Reply #11)
Sat Jan 3, 2015, 09:06 AM
MissKat (215 posts)
17. Pixburg or Picksburg
After I get done redding up from Christmas I'm going dahn-town to check out the sales.
Go Stillers! Cause Pixburgers bleed black and gold. And y'uns who don't like the Stillers, well-- you're just jag-offs. |
Response to MissKat (Reply #17)
Sat Jan 3, 2015, 02:30 PM
awoke_in_2003 (34,582 posts)
33. I was born in Steubenville, OH
about 45 minutes away, so I am not totally fluent
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Response to MissKat (Reply #17)
Sun Jan 4, 2015, 01:16 PM
Spitfire of ATJ (32,723 posts)
48. That goes down well with Schlitz.
Response to awoke_in_2003 (Reply #11)
Sat Jan 3, 2015, 12:17 PM
pasto76 (1,589 posts)
23. Born and raised
I grew up in the south hills. mom and Dad grew up in southside. that show on A&E has been pretty amusing for me. My wife - a wyominig girl - can barely understand them sometimes. Ever watch Pittsburgh Dad videos on youtube? outrageously funny
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Response to pasto76 (Reply #23)
Sat Jan 3, 2015, 02:31 PM
awoke_in_2003 (34,582 posts)
34. I will have to look it up. nt
Response to awoke_in_2003 (Reply #11)
Sat Jan 3, 2015, 12:33 PM
bread_and_roses (6,335 posts)
24. Love that, LOL - "yinz"
we said "yinz" - grew up outside the city, one of the little mill towns along the Ohio - what a blast of memory that "yinz" gave me
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Response to bread_and_roses (Reply #24)
Sat Jan 3, 2015, 02:32 PM
awoke_in_2003 (34,582 posts)
35. Cool
but I have a hankering for Primanti's now.
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Response to pasto76 (Reply #8)
Sat Jan 3, 2015, 06:08 PM
happyslug (14,779 posts)
41. Gamage was killed by Whitehall Borough Police NOT Pittsburgh Police
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonny_Gammage
The suburbs of Pittsburgh Police tend to be been formed by ex police officers from the Steel Valley Mill Communities not the City of Pittsburgh. The City Police were known to be political hacks and thus rarely known to do to many acts of violence. The Valley Police tend to be tied in with the anti-Union movement among the Steel Valley from the 1860s to the 1930s. Thus these suburban police are more head bashers then the City Police. This division is not as severe was in was in the post WWII era, but it still exists to a degree. |
Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)
Sat Jan 3, 2015, 12:30 AM
Ramses (721 posts)
9. i hope this guy brings needed reform to the PPD
The last chief was involved in all kinds of legal problems. Just google police chief pittsburgh convictions... the rot in that dept is deep.
I hope th new chief gets to the root of corruption |
Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)
Sat Jan 3, 2015, 01:31 AM
awoke_in_2003 (34,582 posts)
12. Go chief...
when the good cops start addressing the bad cops things will start getting better.
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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)
Sat Jan 3, 2015, 01:56 AM
marym625 (17,997 posts)
13. Police unions are giving unions a bad name
What a shitty response.
So sick of both the racism and the denial of it |
Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)
Sat Jan 3, 2015, 03:50 AM
happyslug (14,779 posts)
14. He has only been the Police Chief Since September
Technically he did not become even a Police Officer till December 30th, when the State waived the residency requirements for being a Police Officer in Pennsylvania. This was a legal technicality for Pennsylvania has a law since the Homestead Strike 1892 that all police officer must have lived in Pennsylvania for one year prior to becoming a police officer (unless a written waiver is given by the State). Thus unless you get a waiver from the State, no one can be a police officer in Pennsylvania unless he or she had lived in Pennsylvania for a year. The present Police Chief had been the Police Chief of Madison Wisconsin, thus he was not formally a police officer till December 30th, through he has been running the Department since September.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pittsburgh_Police_Chief http://www.post-gazette.com/local/city/2014/09/02/Pittsburgh-to-name-new-police-chief-this-afternoon/stories/201409020123 KDKA, the Pittsburgh CBS affiliate report this as being protested by the Police, but no one else does, inlcuding the Pittsburgh Post Gazette. The National FOP Made a nice statement on this situation, through you have to get around the attacks on the people protesting about police brutality: Press Release from President Neri
December 23, 2014 Editor: As police officers, we know that we can never predict what will happen when we put on our uniform each day. This simple fact was made very apparent with the brutal execution of two New York City police officers this past weekend. It was a scene that hit close to home for Pennsylvanians who continue to mourn the death and injury of our officers recently attacked at their own barracks in Blooming Grove. Sadly, we were reminded again of the evil that exists in this world through events like these. Now more than ever, we need to rally around our brave men and women in uniform. It's the job of all police officers to rush into danger to help those in need, regardless of personal risk, and they fully accept that risk every day. They face the worst criminals imaginable, and all too often those criminals use violence against police officers. Nationally, 114 police officers have been killed in the line of duty this year alone. Four right here in Pennsylvania. Each of these courageous officers from Pennsylvania and New York took a solemn oath to protect and serve their fellow citizens – an oath they honored by giving their last full measure of devotion to fulfill it. Let us always remember our fallen brothers as heroic and humble public servants who laid down their lives to serve and protect us all. Les Neri, President FOP, PA State Lodge STATEMENT OF CHUCK CANTERBURY, NATIONAL PRESIDENT, FRATERNAL ORDER OF POLICE DECEMBER 21,2014 Yesterday, NYPD Officers Rafael Ramos and Wenjian Liu were murdered in New York City by a coward who invoked race as a motive. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH! Politicians have spent the months since the tragedy in Ferguson piously wringing their hands and bemoaning the lack of trust of police by the minority community. Mayors and Congressmen and Senators and professional racists from all sides have seized on the moment to advance their often self serving opinions of what is wrong in America as a hyperventilating media nods knowingly and faithfully reports each and every word. Enough is enough. While these politicians and their retinues ignore the decaying infrastructure of our cities, the substandard educational system, the nonexistent families, the poor nutrition, the lack of employment opportunities- all of which create a toxic environment which breeds crime- they focus with laser vision on every real or perceived mistake made by the cops fighting a running battle to keep the streets safe for our poorest and most disadvantaged citizens in our country's worst pockets. Enough is enough. There's nothing wrong with the way cops do their jobs that won't be fixed when politicians suck it up and attack the problems that breed poverty and crime- but they're not going to do that. The media professes shock when we speak out - well, buckle them on America- you're going to hear a lot from our 325,000 members in the days and months ahead. Some of you may not like it, but you would do well to listen. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH http://www.pafop.org/ In many ways we should back this statement, even the politicians who are being attacked by it, by saying we are for the same thing as the Pennsylvania State Lodge of the FOP, we want such get people to trust the police by showing that if the Police act unlawfully they will be punished. Trust is a two way street, people must believe that the police are there to help them, a position many minority people do not believe. The police MUST build up that trust by turning in those officer who break that trust. Thus the officers in Furguson should go on trial for manslaughter and that charge be brought by the Missouri State Attorney General. A nice statement like the one above will force the FOP to agree with it, and thus reject their own statement, or accept it and point out the need for accountability. |
Response to happyslug (Reply #14)
Sat Jan 3, 2015, 10:26 AM
IronLionZion (39,010 posts)
21. Picksburgers imported a liberal from Madison, WI?
Nice!
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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)
Sat Jan 3, 2015, 04:16 AM
greyl (22,955 posts)
15. Every move the police unions have been making is wrong.
I haven't heard a quote from them that wasn't stupid - tea party stupid.
And it's like they aren't fighting for better salaries, they're fighting for power privileges. |
Response to greyl (Reply #15)
Sat Jan 3, 2015, 04:51 PM
sendero (28,552 posts)
40. In NY..
... they are fighting for both.
It is astounding, you can tell from their comments and their attitude that saying "they don't get it" is the understatement of the century. But as cops continue to eff up with impunity and with the assumption that everyone thinks as they do, something along the lines of "if we do it, it's legal", they are about to see their little sandbox taken away, at last. |
Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)
Sat Jan 3, 2015, 08:46 AM
Feral Child (2,086 posts)
16. K&R n/t
Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)
Sat Jan 3, 2015, 09:24 AM
marble falls (45,684 posts)
18. If they weren't racist, how'd they come to feel accused of being racist? They should be backing....
the chief.
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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)
Sat Jan 3, 2015, 10:02 AM
malthaussen (15,215 posts)
19. This story shows why the media suck these days
1) The picture is only "controversial" because some ass took offense.
2) By giving said ass a venue to vent, they validate his postition. As for the union, we've already had this discussion. Police unions are giving cops a bad name. Last thought for the compaintant: if the shoe fits... -- Mal |
Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)
Sat Jan 3, 2015, 10:12 AM
samsingh (16,873 posts)
20. perhaps the department has something to hide
Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)
Sat Jan 3, 2015, 10:36 AM
Shemp Howard (889 posts)
22. I kind of wish that...
...the Chief's sign had read "End Blue Silence" instead.
Sure, I get it that most (maybe all) police racism and police physical abuse can be traced back to white cops. But behind it all is the famous Blue Wall of Silence. Frank Serpico (a white man) unsuccessfully fought against the Wall. And ex-Pittsburgh Police Chief Nate Harper (a black man) used the Wall as cover to steal money from his department. |
Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)
Sat Jan 3, 2015, 01:16 PM
mountain grammy (24,461 posts)
25. Once again, the thin blue skin..
Response to mountain grammy (Reply #25)
Sat Jan 3, 2015, 02:03 PM
MatthewStLouis (902 posts)
32. Great term.
And isn't there always a little truth to the thing that bothers these thin skinned people?!
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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)
Sat Jan 3, 2015, 01:55 PM
sarge43 (28,367 posts)
30. Touch a nerve, he did.
Good.
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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)
Sat Jan 3, 2015, 02:01 PM
MatthewStLouis (902 posts)
31. How in hell can he be under fire for this?!
People (conservatives mostly) need to take off the blinders. Racism exists. Some conservatives used to, at the very least, admit that everyone can be racist. But now after over 6 years of non-stop racist anti-Obama commentary, they want to pretend we are in a post-racism utopia? Jeezus!
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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)
Sat Jan 3, 2015, 04:43 PM
99th_Monkey (19,326 posts)
37. I wish the Police Chief well. OMG? A good cop for reals.
And the "union"s response is sadly so predictable.
WTF is it with these "police unions" . I thought unions were bastions of justice, liberty and fairness, not bigotry, hate and corruption. |
Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)
Sat Jan 3, 2015, 04:45 PM
concreteblue (626 posts)
38. As the famous Kentucky Republican once said:
"Throw a rock over the fence, the dog that holler's the one you hit."
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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)
Sat Jan 3, 2015, 09:22 PM
BlueJazz (25,348 posts)
42. Sounds like a share of a certain police department should not be working as police officers.
Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)
Sun Jan 4, 2015, 01:17 AM
certainot (8,408 posts)
43. under fire means some republican radio blowhards will continue to enjoy their
free speech free ride from the left to attack the people who move the conversation, and thereby distort it and end it as needed by the 1%'s think tanks, unchallenged by the left's orgs, which are made useless again by the right's rw radio advantage.
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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)
Sun Jan 4, 2015, 02:51 AM
BobTheSubgenius (11,195 posts)
44. Why just react when you can over-react?
His message could apply to one, or even zero, active duty cops. Grow a skin, for one thing...and, more to the point, should he be silent, should he NOT confront racism at work? In police work, of ALL professions.
For some reason, a short clip from the Simpsons comes to mind: a Fox News helicopter with the slogan "Not Racist, But #1 With Racists." |
Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)
Sun Jan 4, 2015, 08:04 AM
cstanleytech (23,919 posts)
45. Sounds like some people need to grow a thicker skin as he didnt call the department racist
and you would think that a union would support making sure racism isnt happening in the work place.
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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)
Sun Jan 4, 2015, 01:28 PM
johnnylefty2000 (73 posts)
49. Weird
I would think the union would support fighting racism in the work place. Unions are there to support the workers, so fighting racism would be one way to make it easier on the workers there. If racism is a problem then the union needs to address it and help work towards fixing the problem. Also, this isn't calling the department racist, its speaking out against racism. Just because hes a cop does not mean he has to be a racist bastard. People also seem to forget that white cops aren't the only kind of cops.
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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)
Sun Jan 4, 2015, 05:00 PM
drynberg (1,648 posts)
50. By pledging to end white silence, the Cheif ain't calling anyone Racist...Guilty?
Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)
Sun Jan 4, 2015, 05:03 PM
Turbineguy (34,282 posts)
51. It's a bit like calling somebody
who steals from you a thief. They are generally offended by it.
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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)
Sun Jan 4, 2015, 06:27 PM
The Green Manalishi (1,054 posts)