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LAGC

(5,330 posts)
2. That would be awesome.
Sun Dec 25, 2011, 11:28 AM
Dec 2011

Would love to see some serious debate about the so-called War on Drugs, and a time-table for leaving Afghanistan.

Of course, Obama would probably smoke him in the general, unless the economy really tanked between now and then.

cottage10

(49 posts)
4. Yep, that is why I want to see Ron Paul do well in the primaries
Sun Dec 25, 2011, 11:51 AM
Dec 2011

We need a good discussion in this country about the military spending and all the money we are spending on these idiotic wars (including the war on drugs). I think that is the main attraction of Ron Paul especially among young people. A good GOP debate where Romney has to justify his war-mongering might just start to turn a few GOP minds against war and military spending, at least that is my hope.

Mass

(27,315 posts)
7. The idea Ron Paul could be president is frightening in its own right.
Sun Dec 25, 2011, 12:33 PM
Dec 2011

So, hopefully he will not get the nomination.

Kennah

(14,234 posts)
16. Every member of the Insane GOP Clown Posse is frightening ...
Sun Dec 25, 2011, 05:34 PM
Dec 2011

... but at least for me there is a fear that Ron Paul could seduce some on the left to support Paul over Obama.

The ideal would be Mittens as the nominee and Paul launching a Third Party Candidacy.

Mass

(27,315 posts)
18. None, but Paul is the only one who has supporters among progressives.
Mon Dec 26, 2011, 10:21 AM
Dec 2011

Though I am not sure I would call progressives people who believe that Ron Paul is acceptable by any standard.

 

RoccoR5955

(12,471 posts)
17. Incorrect.
Sun Dec 25, 2011, 09:03 PM
Dec 2011

Obama would definitely smoke him in the general EVEN IF the economy really tanked between now and then, should the man with two first names get on the ballot!

liberalmike27

(2,479 posts)
3. I would love that too
Sun Dec 25, 2011, 11:47 AM
Dec 2011

Probably not for the sarcastic reasons of the poster above. While I get that Ron Paul has many of the same positions that ALL of the other republicans have, I also know he at least will vocalize some of the issues that democrats have abandoned, anti-drug war, anti-unjust warring, anti-huge-military industrial complex.

I'll still vote for Obama, with no other liberal choices. But as a just-in-case, I'd love to see a republican trying to cut wars. As far as slashing social programs, even if he was to get elected, he couldn't do that. Personally I'm seeing another Obama landslide, and close to 60 in the Senate again, even though only ten republicans are running. Of course, as they did in 2010, Democrats can run to lose again, insuring us of another 2 years at least, of gridlock.

karynnj

(59,498 posts)
9. Have you bothered to look at which Senate seats are up?
Sun Dec 25, 2011, 01:18 PM
Dec 2011

These are, for the most part, the Senators who won election in 2006, when the Democrats really did win everything that they had a chance to win. There are not 7 Republican seats in jeopardy - and that assumes we lose none of our most at risk seats - including ND, where Conrad is retiring. In fact, the two Republican seats where we have a chance are ones that resulted from Senators leaving - MA and NV.

Paul win not win either the nomination or the Presidency. He showed the same level of arrogance in dismissing questions on the newsletters he had his name on as Cain showed on charges by women. He was unlikely before that, but that alone should have been disqualifying if he had ever been a viable candidate. (I don't care how often his son prays to Aqua Buddha to make this happen - it won't.)

Bucky

(53,947 posts)
14. Ron Paul won't win once Republicans start listening to his foreign policy stands
Sun Dec 25, 2011, 03:17 PM
Dec 2011

"Get out of foreign wars" is a crowd pleaser. His "get out of NATO and the UN" talking points just make him look loony.

Populist_Prole

(5,364 posts)
10. I see your point. This could work out better than we thought.
Sun Dec 25, 2011, 01:48 PM
Dec 2011

Probably not for the sarcastic reasons of the poster above. While I get that Ron Paul has many of the same positions that ALL of the other republicans have, I also know he at least will vocalize some of the issues that democrats have abandoned, anti-drug war, anti-unjust warring, anti-huge-military industrial complex


In this manner in these issues he will have helped push the national dialogue to the left.

Deep13

(39,154 posts)
6. Seriously?
Sun Dec 25, 2011, 12:16 PM
Dec 2011

Well, gee, I was a little skeptical about Ron Paul, but now that I know he's an overt racist I think I'll give him a chance. WTF?

 

Ter

(4,281 posts)
11. I don't think he's overt
Sun Dec 25, 2011, 02:02 PM
Dec 2011

He voted in favor of the MLK holiday. I do believe that he was very foolish for not checking those newsletters before they went out. Some don't believe it's possible, but I do. Sadly, many people put their name on something to profit but don't check the product they're marketing.

rocktivity

(44,572 posts)
13. Hands up who DIDN'T see this coming
Sun Dec 25, 2011, 02:35 PM
Dec 2011

The GOP Presidential Clown Car Tour is going exactly as planned. It started out "fair and balanced," complete with a woman and a minority competing. It was "openly competitive," with four different candidates holding the lead. And it winds down with Romney left standing, who coincidentally is also the GOP's choice.




rocktivity

 

coalition_unwilling

(14,180 posts)
19. Romney is a 'favorite son' in New Hampshire, so his front-runner
Mon Dec 26, 2011, 11:47 AM
Dec 2011

status means very little, when you look at his polling behind Paul in Iowa (where neither is favorite son) and in the south, where Romney's Mormon faith will cost him hugely among fundamentalist, evangelical and charismatic kooks.

What is significant is that Paul is emerging as the 'not-Mitt' candidate, replacing Newt in that role. Stands to reason, as Newt's ground game is all but non-existent in the early states, whereas Paul has been organizing at the ground level for at least the past 6 months.

FWIW, Paul would work to overturn Roe v. Wade. That's a show-stopper for anyone calling him- or herself a 'progressive,' imho. That said, I respect politicians who demonstrate tactical and strategic competence, even when I vehemently disagree with their positions. In that regard, and that regard alone, Paul has earned my respect.

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