Police Breaking Down Huge California Homeless Camp
Source: ABC News
Police and social services in Silicon Valley are starting a massive cleanout Thursday of what's likely the nation's largest homeless encampment.
Animal control and a construction contractor are also helping dismantle the square-mile site that once was home to more than 200 homeless residents, San Jose homelessness response manager Ray Bramson said.
People living in the camp, known as The Jungle, were told Monday they must be out by Thursday or face arrest for trespassing. The encampment stands in stark contrast to its surrounding area in the heart of the Silicon Valley, a region leading the country for job growth, income, innovation and venture capital.
In a walkthrough earlier this week, officials found there were 60 people left in the camp. They didn't know how many remained after Monday.
Read more: http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/police-breaking-huge-california-homeless-camp-27363541
onehandle
(51,122 posts)...GOP CEO Rush, later today, probably.
yeoman6987
(14,449 posts)Jerry Brown obviously approves this.
Gormy Cuss
(30,884 posts)and as a leading liberal he's going be cheering this action like those mentioned above.
reddread
(6,896 posts)http://www.cbsnews.com/news/rubber-bullets-quiet-oakland-protest/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_Port_of_Oakland_dock_protest
leading LIBERAL?
offshore fracking?
exactly WHAT liberal values?
taxes?
great.
somebody needs to cover the riot police overtime and settlements.
antiquie
(4,299 posts)The great have and have not divide.
Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)FiveGoodMen
(20,018 posts)Being poor means being powerless.
And letting some get really, really rich has made us all powerless.
Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)People should all be so pissed that people drag "them" out of "their" insulated securitized mansions into the streets. This is what "they" fear most. Reprisal from the people.
FiveGoodMen
(20,018 posts)Note how the three branches (Executive, Legislative, Judicial) are intended to balance power out of a realization that letting too much power into one set of hands would corrupt and destroy our government.
The same applies to corporations and individuals. It's a disaster to let all the power (money) land in one place.
The only way to prevent that is progressive taxation that goes to 100% at some point. You just can't let anyone have all the money no matter how well they play the game.
But we were enticed with the "free market" and "invisible hand" and "you don't tax success" and so we set this up to happen.
Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)FiveGoodMen
(20,018 posts)So, inevitably, it happened.
Everyone who lionized the rich and didn't demand that we tax them more is guilty.
Everyone.
Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)the people who are sneaky conniving vicious monsters. Our natural state is to be trusting social beings and many of us are not versed in the ways of anti-social, hating, back-stabbing thieves.
The only choice many people have is to trust, because they know of no other. We cannot blame these, for they truly do not know. So it really is not a choice.
FiveGoodMen
(20,018 posts)The earth has about 7 billion people.
If you allow the possibility for anyone to assume total control, then it's game over.
Even if 6,999,999,999 have better moral character than that, the last one will do it.
If it's possible, then it WILL happen at some time.
Either you make it impossible or else you're voting for it.
That math is just too simple to go over anyone's head.
Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)FiveGoodMen
(20,018 posts)Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)the behaviors of mankind.
nichomachus
(12,754 posts)L0oniX
(31,493 posts)Kip Humphrey
(4,753 posts)still_one
(92,110 posts)these folks. I guess it doesn't sell papers
Yes, the folks their called it their home, and being uprooted is bad.
Should they be allowed to stay there or be settled in alternative housing or shelters?
Not an easy question. There are other folks living off Story road who aren't happen, and the homeless are not happy
Not a good situation
reddread
(6,896 posts)lets see those alternative endings. show us.
I sincerely hope that community has the decency to do the right thing.
I cant imagine they would, with neighboring cities policy precedents.
If you think there is enough housing available for this lot, wait until
Hillary gets to increase the H1B numbers again.
still_one
(92,110 posts)change for the residents. What they need to do is build low income housing for these folks, similar to what they did with the I-Hotel in San Francisco.
TexasMommaWithAHat
(3,212 posts)why not provide sanitation services for this camp?
I understand that so many people without proper sanitation and water can create serious health problems, but the solution is not that expensive!
still_one
(92,110 posts)happy being uprooted from their home. The neighborhoods aren't happy because it lowers their property values, and the homeless are not happy.
reddread
(6,896 posts)disregarding the absolute lack of safety being cooped up with desperate strangers in those circumstances.
still_one
(92,110 posts)subsidy vouchers. These temporary shelters will cause separations from their friends, and as you alluded to, I am not sure what safety measures have been setup for them.
The city should have really been building low income housing for people in this situation years ago
jwirr
(39,215 posts)still_one
(92,110 posts)Brother Buzz
(36,407 posts)Residents of the International Hotel were allowed to legally live there for over a decade until other accommodations were located.
still_one
(92,110 posts)still were not happy with being relocated and it was a hot political issue in the city at the time, but I agree with your assessment
Brother Buzz
(36,407 posts)Nobody likes being relocated, especially after witnessing the fiasco unfolding in the Western Addition. What was really cool was the public solidly supported the residents and effectively put the redevelopment agencies and developers on notice: Keep your fucking promises.
still_one
(92,110 posts)transiet hotel, but when they tore it down the housing they made available I think was for low income seniors.
It was Richard Hongisto, the sherriff who deliberately delayed the eviction of the residents from the I-Hotel. I think he even spent time in jail because of what he did. I know he eventually did carry out the mass eviction which did make the people he was trying to protect too happy
It was an interesting time for sure.
Garion_55
(1,915 posts)im sure they wouldnt just throw them out to the streets weeks before christmas. only assholes would do that
Demeter
(85,373 posts)We had homeless people sleeping in front of the police station on the main E-W drag downtown...on concrete.
I hate the GOP. Stingy bastards.
reddread
(6,896 posts)that is how it is done. they can follow evictees around and they do here in Fresno. they even formed a homeless posse within the LE.
https://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2011/11/13/18699279.php
here is an interesting write up and some links to local actions not too far from San Jose,
this is how they roll in blue Cali.
http://fresnoalliance.com/wordpress/?p=8294
http://fresnoalliance.com/wordpress/?p=1313
catnhatnh
(8,976 posts)heaven05
(18,124 posts)Last edited Thu Dec 4, 2014, 05:31 PM - Edit history (1)
along with Patton's help, to some homeless WWI vets and their families protesting in D.C in 1932. Time does go in circles........and so does lack of compassion, empathy and just plain old humanity.
reddread
(6,896 posts)seemingly blind to the thousands they ignore for every vet they can find.
Aristus
(66,307 posts)Goddamn.
Cops have gone crazy...
lonestarnot
(77,097 posts)Xithras
(16,191 posts)It was uncontrollable because of the layout, and a result there have been a number of rapes, murders, and attempted murders because the site has become a cesspool run by criminals who have no problem beating or stabbing anyone who isn't properly deferential. It's dangerous enough that the police wouldn't even enter it at night...you were on your own if someone was trying to assault you (or worse).
A potentially bigger problem for many people is the fact that the camp was built along a creek only a couple of miles above Don Edwards National Wildlife Refuge, and that creek was one of very few in the Bay Area where the endangered Steelhead still spawned. This particular branch of steelhead is the ONLY one listed as endangered by the federal government, while many others are "merely" threatened. Between the illegal fishing, the constant foot traffic in the creek bed, and the vast quantities of human waste and other chemicals being dumped into the creek by the camp, the fish has been nearly wiped out in just the past few years...and it's undeniably this camp that is wiping it out. The only way to save the species is to remove the camp.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)Your allegations are grammatically correct.
reddread
(6,896 posts)no unserviced campsite that size is a healthy thing for anyone.
but pulling an ESA on the homeless would be noteworthy.
Xithras
(16,191 posts)The California Department of Fish & Wildlife filed a lawsuit against the city of San Jose earlier this year over the amount of waste and water pollution flowing out of the homeless camps, following a two year investigation over the cities handling of the pollution. Under state law, the city is required to prevent wastewater discharge into natural waterways, and is held responsible if it fails to live up to that duty. State law also empowers both the California EPA and the California DFW to file suit against governments that fail to live up to their duties. Because the DFW is responsible for monitoring ESA compliance in the state, they are suing San Jose for failing to regulate wastewater and the ESA related wildlife damage that it is causing.
The problem isn't just people pissing and crapping in the water either. People are manufacturing drugs in the camp and dumping leftover chemicals into the stream, they are bathing in the stream which releases soaps and other chemicals, they are using it to wash their clothes and dishes, releasing detergents, etc. The stream has gone from a relatively clean protected waterway that supported a fairly large wildlife population to a toxic ditch that is unsafe for humans or wildlife in only a few years. The endangered steelhead population in this creek has been almost completely eliminated over the past decade because of the pollution.
Legally, San Jose was stuck between a rock and a hard place. On one hand, the DFW was suing them and telling them that they were required to put in running water, toilets, fencing, and everything else needed to keep waste out of the waterway. On the other hand, California law actually prevents governments from building most structures in unleveed flood zones nowadays. In order to build facilities down there, the state would have to sign off on it, and the California EPA will NOT permit the construction of permanent facilities along a creek that is home to an ESA protected species. This isn't a problem unique to San Jose...when a bathroom burned down along the Tuolumne River in Modesto last year, the state wouldn't permit them to rebuild it because it was less than 100 feet from the water and there was no levee between the water and the bathroom site. The fact that there had been a bathroom there since the 1970's was irrelevant. The fact that it was the only bathroom for miles along the river was irrelevant. The fact that homeless people along the river were its primary users was also ignored. The state only cared about the fact that the river is home to several endangered and protected species, and that toilet facilities in the uncontrolled flood zone are a pollution source.
reddread
(6,896 posts)that isnt what these rousts are about elsewhere.
Liberal_in_LA
(44,397 posts)Sunlei
(22,651 posts)To be dogless, to have your most loyal friend end up with 'animal control'( a sure death)to me is the most disheartening of all. I'd never stay in a homeless shelter if it meant giving up my dogs.
Probably, plenty of those people disbursed to other close areas, not shelters. And some frackers will move in shortly.
seveneyes
(4,631 posts)That way the authorities would police and clean up the grounds and they could live in peace.
There are many Federal owned lands where the climate is livable year round.
Orsino
(37,428 posts)Liberal_in_LA
(44,397 posts)reddread
(6,896 posts)they will work a set of numbers backwards and forwards to say things that are disingenuous on a good day.
the ONLY folks who have a chance of housing assistance are vets who already have access to these programs.
one number they toss out "200" as the largest encampment around?
not likely an accurate figure. and there is NO way they have additional emergency housing resources laying idle
waiting for these folks
in THAT neck of the woods.
so what kind of homes would you hope they are given?