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Sat Nov 8, 2014, 10:04 AM

 

Four men arrested for allegedly plotting a terror attack to kill Queen Elizabeth

Source: News Austrailia


BRITISH police have foiled an alleged plot to assassinate the Queen in a knife attack this weekend at a Remembrance Day event in London, it has been claimed.
Counter terrorist police swooped on addresses in the west of the British capital and in the Thames Valley and arrested four men aged 19 to 27.
Scotland Yard were remaining tight lipped yesterday but confirmed it was an alleged Islamist plot to be carried out on British soil and was part of “an ongoing investigation into Islamist-related terrorism”.

Read more: http://www.news.com.au/world/four-men-arrested-for-allegedly-plotting-a-terror-attack-to-kill-queen-elizabeth/story-fndir2ev-1227116658248

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Reply Four men arrested for allegedly plotting a terror attack to kill Queen Elizabeth (Original post)
7962 Nov 2014 OP
muriel_volestrangler Nov 2014 #1
Iliyah Nov 2014 #12
Helen Borg Nov 2014 #2
Shrike47 Nov 2014 #3
Lurks Often Nov 2014 #17
RobinA Nov 2014 #28
Scairp Nov 2014 #21
Reter Nov 2014 #31
Nye Bevan Nov 2014 #32
Lenomsky Nov 2014 #4
GGJohn Nov 2014 #5
Lenomsky Nov 2014 #8
marshall Nov 2014 #45
msanthrope Nov 2014 #7
Diclotican Nov 2014 #20
freshwest Nov 2014 #30
Diclotican Nov 2014 #43
Scairp Nov 2014 #22
Cal33 Nov 2014 #42
EEO Nov 2014 #6
marmar Nov 2014 #9
sarge43 Nov 2014 #13
Nye Bevan Nov 2014 #34
sarge43 Nov 2014 #35
Major Hogwash Nov 2014 #36
Nye Bevan Nov 2014 #41
LanternWaste Nov 2014 #50
cosmicone Nov 2014 #10
Scairp Nov 2014 #23
Fred Sanders Nov 2014 #11
zonkers Nov 2014 #14
KansDem Nov 2014 #15
C Moon Nov 2014 #18
freshwest Nov 2014 #53
Feral Child Nov 2014 #16
7962 Nov 2014 #29
Feral Child Nov 2014 #47
7962 Nov 2014 #49
KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #19
Cleita Nov 2014 #24
christx30 Nov 2014 #25
Diclotican Nov 2014 #44
Rhinodawg Nov 2014 #26
Jamastiene Nov 2014 #27
Nye Bevan Nov 2014 #33
muriel_volestrangler Nov 2014 #39
freshwest Nov 2014 #37
Jamastiene Nov 2014 #46
Recursion Nov 2014 #38
hrmjustin Nov 2014 #40
yurbud Nov 2014 #48
Nye Bevan Nov 2014 #51
yurbud Nov 2014 #52
Nye Bevan Nov 2014 #54
muriel_volestrangler Nov 2014 #55
Capt. Obvious Nov 2014 #56

Response to 7962 (Original post)

Sat Nov 8, 2014, 10:10 AM

1. Notice the source for the queen as the target is The Sun, Murdoch's rag

Who have been known to make things up. Just occasionally. On the other hand, their now-defunct sister paper The News Of the World bribed public officials to leak information, so it's quite believable that they broke the law again and paid someone to leak this to them, too.

Anyway, the non-Murdoch press doesn't think the queen was the target.

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Response to muriel_volestrangler (Reply #1)

Sat Nov 8, 2014, 01:11 PM

12. USA corporate bullshit media is runing with it

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Response to 7962 (Original post)

Sat Nov 8, 2014, 10:33 AM

2. Yeas, sure...

Why not let nature just run its course? It's not like it can be that long...

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Response to 7962 (Original post)

Sat Nov 8, 2014, 10:44 AM

3. For goodness sake, she's 88 years old. Why plot to kill her?

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Response to Shrike47 (Reply #3)

Sat Nov 8, 2014, 02:28 PM

17. As Queen, killing her would be considered a major symbolic victory

 

My own impression is that she is generally well liked by many, even if I don't understand the British admiration for royalty.

I also think if the terrorists had been successful, they might not have liked the short and long term consequences of their actions. I get the feeling that English would become very angry and pass a great many laws that would make being a Muslim in England very difficult.

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Response to Lurks Often (Reply #17)

Sat Nov 8, 2014, 09:17 PM

28. I Somehow Doubt

that terrorists care much about the everyday Muslims living in England. Unfortunately, you are correct, though.

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Response to Shrike47 (Reply #3)

Sat Nov 8, 2014, 03:47 PM

21. You are kidding?

She is a huge symbolic presence and her assassination would be looked upon as a triumph by jihadists everywhere, were it to occur. But I am skeptical that this is true, as the source is a Murdoch rag. The BBC has nothing on it at the moment.

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Response to Shrike47 (Reply #3)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 01:16 AM

31. Practically a kid in that family

 

The Queen Mum was like 102 when she passed a few years ago.

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Response to Shrike47 (Reply #3)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 02:15 AM

32. Killing the Queen would be seen by the Jihadists as an absolutely huge, historic victory,

right up there with 9/11. And it would be an absolutely devastating, morale-destroying event in the UK.

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Response to 7962 (Original post)

Sat Nov 8, 2014, 10:52 AM

4. Why not just get rid of the Royals ..

PERIOD!

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Response to Lenomsky (Reply #4)

Sat Nov 8, 2014, 10:59 AM

5. That's up to the people of Britain,

and so far, they've shown no real inclination to do so.

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Response to GGJohn (Reply #5)

Sat Nov 8, 2014, 11:35 AM

8. I'm British technically ..

I'm actually Scottish so maybe I'm biased

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Response to GGJohn (Reply #5)

Mon Nov 10, 2014, 02:38 AM

45. Hopefully not by assassination

It is one thing to want to abolish the monarchy, quite another to "get rid of them" in the same context as these jihadists.

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Response to Lenomsky (Reply #4)

Sat Nov 8, 2014, 11:10 AM

7. Have the citizens of Britain indicated that they wish to relieve

 

themselves of the the current crop? No?

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Response to Lenomsky (Reply #4)

Sat Nov 8, 2014, 03:31 PM

20. Lenomsky

Lenomsky

The Britt's have had experience with killing their royals and have a found little experience with the Republic - a bloody dark age form of republic who they was all to happy to let go, after 16 years when Charles II of England wanted to come back after his father was executed by the winning republicans who had waging a civil war to get rid of the king and its rule almost 20 years before... Charles I (Who was a stuart) had been messing with the wrong crowd when he wanted money to wage wars outside of Parliament - when it strong armed the Parliament it exploded in a civil war - and ended when the crowned King got his head cut of.... In front of a large crowd - after that 16 year of more or less terror followed - where the puritans was doing its best to cleanse the republic of any who might have had sympathy for the king - and where no fun was allowed at all... Even the pubs - who traditionally was the "water hole" for british going back centuries - was under attack from the puritans....

In the end - when Charles II come to England (He had grown up in France, and was somewhat a person with new ideas about kingship when he arrived) the Republic ended rather fast - no one was willing to support it anymore - and Charles II was crowned with great celebrations in London and elsewhere.. And compared to his father Charles II was rather popular and loved - to the degree that most people was sad when he departed this world... Not bad for a Stuart - who often was less popular than most royal families in the UK - they did know who they was - and had often less interest in political play when it come to the position they had - as royals than families before and after have been... But Charles II know the bounderies of his Kingship - and was able to work properly with the Parliament..

And the british tend to have a long memory - and I doubt UK would get rid of their royals anytime soon....

Diclotican

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Response to Diclotican (Reply #20)

Sat Nov 8, 2014, 11:42 PM

30. Diclotican, thanks for informing of the European POV.

I studied British literature but had no interest in their history other than leaving them... At times, I wonder.

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Response to freshwest (Reply #30)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 01:38 PM

43. freshwest

freshwest

Then you are up for a treat - as british history - from he middle ages to our own times is full of interesting parts and have a few twist and turns as history is turning....

And I guess sometimes that the british won the best deal when US was formed in the late 1700s - mostly becouse then everyone who dosen't liked the english form of governance, about them many religios extremists was leaving for he colonies in the americans - what become USA... The puritans who for 16 years ruled the british icles with an iron first - after the kings was instituted again, emigrated for the most part - to the british colonies in america - to the relief of most british who was happy to let them go - the terror regime they have orchestrated on England was rather brutal - even by modern standards...

Diclotican

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Response to Lenomsky (Reply #4)

Sat Nov 8, 2014, 03:49 PM

22. It's really none of our business

We are Americans and it has nothing to do with us. My in-laws are British and they seem to like them, mostly. Except Prince Phillip. He is not well-liked.

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Response to Scairp (Reply #22)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 12:04 PM

42. He is well-known for putting his foot into his mouth when speaking publicly. I have the impressiont

 

that he isn't too bright.

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Response to 7962 (Original post)

Sat Nov 8, 2014, 11:07 AM

6. Time will do that before too long.

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Response to 7962 (Original post)

Sat Nov 8, 2014, 11:41 AM

9. My BS threat level is red

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Response to marmar (Reply #9)

Sat Nov 8, 2014, 01:36 PM

13. My crap detector went red line with "Islamist" and knife attack.

Ordinarily, political/religious terrorism isn't personal. Those creatures go for the maximum amount of destruction to the maximum number of people

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Response to sarge43 (Reply #13)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 02:22 AM

34. Do you recall the weapons that the Islamists used on 9/11? (nt)

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Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #34)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 06:42 AM

35. Yes and I also recall 3000 people murdered at once n/t

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Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #34)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 07:06 AM

36. The members of ISIL used knives to cut the heads off of their victims.

So, of course, this was a real threat.

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Response to Major Hogwash (Reply #36)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 10:56 AM

41. Good point (nt)

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Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #34)

Wed Nov 12, 2014, 03:02 PM

50. Commercial jetliners...

Commercial jetliners...

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Response to 7962 (Original post)

Sat Nov 8, 2014, 12:56 PM

10. $20 says they were followers of Anjem Choudary

 

and $100 says most of them had families which originated in Pakistan (just like Anjem Choudary)

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Response to cosmicone (Reply #10)

Sat Nov 8, 2014, 03:50 PM

23. That would not be a surprise

Considering how many citizens of Pakistani descent are living in England.

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Response to 7962 (Original post)

Sat Nov 8, 2014, 01:09 PM

11. More casualties of Western media's forwarding of propaganda by terrorists to the masses, the terrorists need

should give a big fucking Praise Jesus and the Jesus Media for purposely spreading their filth that is purposely produced to prey on weak minds in an environment seeded with fear and pessimism, same seed that spread Fearbola.....Murdoch knows a fucking ton about organizing and spreading fear for political gain, otherwise defined as " terrorism".

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Response to 7962 (Original post)

Sat Nov 8, 2014, 01:41 PM

14. Wait, isn't this the plot of "Naked Gun"?

 

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Response to 7962 (Original post)

Sat Nov 8, 2014, 02:05 PM

15. See, George? See what you're supposed to do when you receive intel that a terrorist attack...

...is planned to take place in your country?



And if these attacks did occur, you can be certain British officials would not let the family members of the attackers leave the country without questioning them.

Capiche?

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Response to KansDem (Reply #15)

Sat Nov 8, 2014, 02:36 PM

18. Going off topic here...but he sure did look like he was waiting to get "the nod" in that video.

It's creepy to watch.
That was an awful morning.

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Response to C Moon (Reply #18)

Thu Nov 13, 2014, 01:22 PM

53. In the months following that iconic video, FSTV aired a program out of Canada about it.

The source was reportedly a high up figure in US intelligence. May have all been speculation, insanity or outright lies, but the conclusion drawn was more interesting than any other I've read of since that time. All CT, naturally.

They claimed Bush had been given a ultimatum by some MIC types. That he was told that he would 'stand down' to allow the attack on the Pentagon and WTC, or they would nuke a major American city. Most likely NYC itself to start a war.

So according to the guys on FSTV, GWB knew that something was going to happen, but had to let it occur to actually save lives and preserve NYC. I know, it sounds crazy.


When you look at his face in the video, the horror as he's told, it's as if he is comprehending exactly how powerless he was and how those lives that were being lost at that very moment. It does fit his reaction and why he stayed put. He'd been ordered to do nothing.

After once entertaining the thought that was planted, one may wonder, years afterward, what the truth of when he knew and how much he knew. But you can't prove it. I always felt like the energy summit behind closed doors was Cheney getting his marching orders, by the fossil fuel oligarches to secure that oil. Things are more complicate now, I can't figure out how those older memes fit into anything anymore.

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Response to 7962 (Original post)

Sat Nov 8, 2014, 02:24 PM

16. More of the same

I give this report 0% credibility.

A knife attack? Zealots are zealots, but nobody is that anxious to score 72 virgins.

I'm pretty sure the rules stipulate there has to be some chance for success for it to be a bona fide martyrdom.

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Response to Feral Child (Reply #16)

Sat Nov 8, 2014, 10:09 PM

29. Knives/axes, whats the difference? We've already had axe attacks

 

Not to mention the knife attack in OK

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Response to 7962 (Reply #29)

Tue Nov 11, 2014, 07:50 PM

47. A knife

against a squad of men, assiduously trained with the mini-uzis they wield.

Only in Hollywood, Digits.

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Response to Feral Child (Reply #47)

Tue Nov 11, 2014, 09:23 PM

49. Hey, we had the guy in NYC attack armed cops with a hatchet.

 

With these nutjobs anythings possible. they could even look at it like "Hey, they'll NEVER expect anyone to do this!"

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Response to 7962 (Original post)

Sat Nov 8, 2014, 02:48 PM

19. If they were Islamist, I'll bet they passed on the Guy Fawkes masks! - nt

 

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Response to 7962 (Original post)

Sat Nov 8, 2014, 04:14 PM

24. And get Prince Charlie as successor?

That seems dumb to me.

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Response to 7962 (Original post)

Sat Nov 8, 2014, 04:48 PM

25. This woman survived the London Blitz.

If you 4 men think you can kill her, good luck. She'll outlive us all.

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Response to christx30 (Reply #25)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 01:41 PM

44. christx30

christx30

I guess you are right - when you survived the London Blitz more or less intact - four men with knifes are no match for her...

And I guess - She might as well outlive us all - the old lady dosen't seen to intersting retiring or slow down on her duties... Even if she in his 80s...

Diclotican

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Response to 7962 (Original post)

Sat Nov 8, 2014, 05:07 PM

26. Islamist plot ???

 

no way....Islam is a religion of peace.

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Response to 7962 (Original post)

Sat Nov 8, 2014, 06:48 PM

27. Doesn't pass the smell test.

Who would even want to assassinate her? I mean, really? Why? There would be no reason for it. She doesn't decide policy. She is just a figurehead. I doubt very seriously she was the target. They might have been planning an attack, but her as the target? Come on!

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Response to Jamastiene (Reply #27)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 02:19 AM

33. It would be an absolutely devastating event for everyone in the UK.

Right across the political spectrum. It would have every bit of the impact on the UK that the assassination of JFK had on the US; probably more so. And it would be seen by the Jihadists as a major victory, probably just as significant as 9/11.

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Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #33)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 09:02 AM

39. It seems more unlikely for thinking a knife attack on the queen at the ceremony could succeed

It's a time when she's literally surrounded by hundreds of soldiers.

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Response to Jamastiene (Reply #27)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 07:36 AM

37. It'd definitely be a victory symbolically. Like blowing up a religious shrine. She's the ceremonial

head of the Church of England currently, even though some want the monarchy separated from the Church.

They're concerned a Catholic could become the king or queen of England in the future:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/queen-elizabeth-II/8939402/Queens-role-as-head-of-Church-of-England-may-no-longer-be-appropriate.html

Imagine assassinating head of Islam in Iran, Khomeini, or destroying the Kaaba in Mecca or the Dome of the Rock, or some other such place.

She is part of England's history and mythology as a nation. Her death, and no doubt a violent one, would be as damaging as killing Kennedy was, although she is not government in the way we consider a POTUS.

I've been trying to grasp the monarchy concept and find it rather difficult. When the Scots were working to secede from the UK, articles were posted here about how even if Scotland left the UK, she would still be Queen of Scotland.

Puzzlin it, I thought of Rex Lex vs Lex Rex, our philosophy. She is a symbol of Rex Lex, but the Parliament makes the laws now. They still have a house of Lords made up of people, like her, who have their position in society because of birth and not the will of the people as expressed in elections.

Her role and that of the royals runs deeper than the UK. She is not a creation of government like our leaders. Royals have seen governments in the UK come and go. So it's a big deal to people there and ISIL or whoever was on this mission knew that very well.

I used to see photos of Muslim protestors in London carrying signs of how they would rule the country, that all Britain would bow to Islam, etc. This would fit that meme. That is a belief system.

I'm not into any of these religions, but billions are, so there's no escape from the believers. Religions, like royalty, outlast every government. They will keep doing what they do.

We don't know if this plot was religious, or political, as there has been bad blood between the West and Middle East, or if one chooses to classify it that way, between Christianity and Islam for millenia. Wars have been fought for many more years than the current nation states in the Americas existed. It's complicated over there.

That's my answer, but I may have gone too far for your question. True, she doesn't have real political power but she's a big deal to the English. If this happened, I have no idea what the UK would do.

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Response to freshwest (Reply #37)

Tue Nov 11, 2014, 02:40 AM

46. Thank you.

I can't imagine anyone wanting to kill her, but as you explained it, I wouldn't put it past terrorists to do such a horrible thing. I see more clearly now that you explained it. Thank you.

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Response to Jamastiene (Reply #27)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 08:38 AM

38. It would be as big a fundraising/recruiting success as 9/11 was

A lot of terrorist groups would like to do that, particularly South Asian ones.

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Response to Jamastiene (Reply #27)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 09:52 AM

40. She is the head of state of the UK.

 

It would be deviating to the UK if their Queen was killed.

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Response to 7962 (Original post)

Tue Nov 11, 2014, 07:57 PM

48. what would be the point? She's pretty damn old

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Response to yurbud (Reply #48)

Wed Nov 12, 2014, 03:10 PM

51. Again, this would be an absolutely gut-wrenching, devastating body blow in the UK,

all across the political spectrum, having just as big an effect in the UK as the killing of JFK had in the US. And the Islamists would see it as at least as big a triumph as 9/11, probably more so.

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Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #51)

Thu Nov 13, 2014, 11:46 AM

52. what would they gain from doing it besides increasing public support in the West for attacking them?

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Response to yurbud (Reply #52)

Thu Nov 13, 2014, 02:13 PM

54. You answered your own question.

If they didn't want Westerners to support attacking them then they wouldn't regularly murder Westerners on Youtube.

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Response to 7962 (Original post)

Thu Nov 20, 2014, 01:12 PM

55. Update: 3 men charged with plotting to behead a member of the public

'Poppy terror plot': Three men were planning to behead member of public court hears

The three men charged in connection with an alleged terrorist plot thought to be planned for Remembrance Sunday were intending to behead a member of the public in the UK, Westminster Magistrates Court has heard.

Nadir Ali Sayed, 21 from Hounslow, west London, Yousaf Shah Syed 19, from High Wycombe, Buckinghamshire, and Haseeb Hamayoon, 27, from Hayes, west London, have been charged with preparing acts of terrorism.

The group were arrested on 6 November, days before Remembrance Sunday, alongside a fourth man, who was released on Saturday with no further action against him.
...
The three men have been remanded in custody charged with preparing acts of terrorism.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/poppy-terror-plot-three-men-charged-over-possible-remembrance-sunday-terrorism-plans-9873383.html

It always sounded sensationalist for the queen to be the target. Blame Murdoch's Sun newspaper.

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Response to 7962 (Original post)

Thu Nov 20, 2014, 01:24 PM

56. Reggie Jackson is still on the loose

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