Four men arrested for allegedly plotting a terror attack to kill Queen Elizabeth

Who have been known to make things up. Just occasionally. On the other hand, their now-defunct sister paper The News Of the World bribed public officials to leak information, so it's quite believable that they broke the law again and paid someone to leak this to them, too.

Anyway, the non-Murdoch press doesn't think the queen was the target.

Why not let nature just run its course? It's not like it can be that long...

My own impression is that she is generally well liked by many, even if I don't understand the British admiration for royalty.

I also think if the terrorists had been successful, they might not have liked the short and long term consequences of their actions. I get the feeling that English would become very angry and pass a great many laws that would make being a Muslim in England very difficult.

that terrorists care much about the everyday Muslims living in England. Unfortunately, you are correct, though.

She is a huge symbolic presence and her assassination would be looked upon as a triumph by jihadists everywhere, were it to occur. But I am skeptical that this is true, as the source is a Murdoch rag. The BBC has nothing on it at the moment.

The Queen Mum was like 102 when she passed a few years ago.

right up there with 9/11. And it would be an absolutely devastating, morale-destroying event in the UK.

PERIOD!

and so far, they've shown no real inclination to do so.

I'm actually Scottish so maybe I'm biased

It is one thing to want to abolish the monarchy, quite another to "get rid of them" in the same context as these jihadists.

themselves of the the current crop? No?

Lenomsky

The Britt's have had experience with killing their royals and have a found little experience with the Republic - a bloody dark age form of republic who they was all to happy to let go, after 16 years when Charles II of England wanted to come back after his father was executed by the winning republicans who had waging a civil war to get rid of the king and its rule almost 20 years before... Charles I (Who was a stuart) had been messing with the wrong crowd when he wanted money to wage wars outside of Parliament - when it strong armed the Parliament it exploded in a civil war - and ended when the crowned King got his head cut of.... In front of a large crowd - after that 16 year of more or less terror followed - where the puritans was doing its best to cleanse the republic of any who might have had sympathy for the king - and where no fun was allowed at all... Even the pubs - who traditionally was the "water hole" for british going back centuries - was under attack from the puritans....

In the end - when Charles II come to England (He had grown up in France, and was somewhat a person with new ideas about kingship when he arrived) the Republic ended rather fast - no one was willing to support it anymore - and Charles II was crowned with great celebrations in London and elsewhere.. And compared to his father Charles II was rather popular and loved - to the degree that most people was sad when he departed this world... Not bad for a Stuart - who often was less popular than most royal families in the UK - they did know who they was - and had often less interest in political play when it come to the position they had - as royals than families before and after have been... But Charles II know the bounderies of his Kingship - and was able to work properly with the Parliament..

And the british tend to have a long memory - and I doubt UK would get rid of their royals anytime soon....

Diclotican

I studied British literature but had no interest in their history other than leaving them... At times, I wonder.

freshwest

Then you are up for a treat - as british history - from he middle ages to our own times is full of interesting parts and have a few twist and turns as history is turning....

And I guess sometimes that the british won the best deal when US was formed in the late 1700s - mostly becouse then everyone who dosen't liked the english form of governance, about them many religios extremists was leaving for he colonies in the americans - what become USA... The puritans who for 16 years ruled the british icles with an iron first - after the kings was instituted again, emigrated for the most part - to the british colonies in america - to the relief of most british who was happy to let them go - the terror regime they have orchestrated on England was rather brutal - even by modern standards...

Diclotican

We are Americans and it has nothing to do with us. My in-laws are British and they seem to like them, mostly. Except Prince Phillip. He is not well-liked.

that he isn't too bright.

Ordinarily, political/religious terrorism isn't personal. Those creatures go for the maximum amount of destruction to the maximum number of people

So, of course, this was a real threat.

Commercial jetliners...

and $100 says most of them had families which originated in Pakistan (just like Anjem Choudary)

Considering how many citizens of Pakistani descent are living in England.

should give a big fucking Praise Jesus and the Jesus Media for purposely spreading their filth that is purposely produced to prey on weak minds in an environment seeded with fear and pessimism, same seed that spread Fearbola.....Murdoch knows a fucking ton about organizing and spreading fear for political gain, otherwise defined as " terrorism".

...is planned to take place in your country?



And if these attacks did occur, you can be certain British officials would not let the family members of the attackers leave the country without questioning them.

Capiche?

It's creepy to watch.
That was an awful morning.

The source was reportedly a high up figure in US intelligence. May have all been speculation, insanity or outright lies, but the conclusion drawn was more interesting than any other I've read of since that time. All CT, naturally.

They claimed Bush had been given a ultimatum by some MIC types. That he was told that he would 'stand down' to allow the attack on the Pentagon and WTC, or they would nuke a major American city. Most likely NYC itself to start a war.

So according to the guys on FSTV, GWB knew that something was going to happen, but had to let it occur to actually save lives and preserve NYC. I know, it sounds crazy.


When you look at his face in the video, the horror as he's told, it's as if he is comprehending exactly how powerless he was and how those lives that were being lost at that very moment. It does fit his reaction and why he stayed put. He'd been ordered to do nothing.

After once entertaining the thought that was planted, one may wonder, years afterward, what the truth of when he knew and how much he knew. But you can't prove it. I always felt like the energy summit behind closed doors was Cheney getting his marching orders, by the fossil fuel oligarches to secure that oil. Things are more complicate now, I can't figure out how those older memes fit into anything anymore.

I give this report 0% credibility.

A knife attack? Zealots are zealots, but nobody is that anxious to score 72 virgins.

I'm pretty sure the rules stipulate there has to be some chance for success for it to be a bona fide martyrdom.

Not to mention the knife attack in OK

against a squad of men, assiduously trained with the mini-uzis they wield.

Only in Hollywood, Digits.

With these nutjobs anythings possible. they could even look at it like "Hey, they'll NEVER expect anyone to do this!"

That seems dumb to me.

If you 4 men think you can kill her, good luck. She'll outlive us all.

christx30

I guess you are right - when you survived the London Blitz more or less intact - four men with knifes are no match for her...

And I guess - She might as well outlive us all - the old lady dosen't seen to intersting retiring or slow down on her duties... Even if she in his 80s...

Diclotican

no way....Islam is a religion of peace.

Who would even want to assassinate her? I mean, really? Why? There would be no reason for it. She doesn't decide policy. She is just a figurehead. I doubt very seriously she was the target. They might have been planning an attack, but her as the target? Come on!

Right across the political spectrum. It would have every bit of the impact on the UK that the assassination of JFK had on the US; probably more so. And it would be seen by the Jihadists as a major victory, probably just as significant as 9/11.

It's a time when she's literally surrounded by hundreds of soldiers.

head of the Church of England currently, even though some want the monarchy separated from the Church.

They're concerned a Catholic could become the king or queen of England in the future:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/queen-elizabeth-II/8939402/Queens-role-as-head-of-Church-of-England-may-no-longer-be-appropriate.html

Imagine assassinating head of Islam in Iran, Khomeini, or destroying the Kaaba in Mecca or the Dome of the Rock, or some other such place.

She is part of England's history and mythology as a nation. Her death, and no doubt a violent one, would be as damaging as killing Kennedy was, although she is not government in the way we consider a POTUS.

I've been trying to grasp the monarchy concept and find it rather difficult. When the Scots were working to secede from the UK, articles were posted here about how even if Scotland left the UK, she would still be Queen of Scotland.

Puzzlin it, I thought of Rex Lex vs Lex Rex, our philosophy. She is a symbol of Rex Lex, but the Parliament makes the laws now. They still have a house of Lords made up of people, like her, who have their position in society because of birth and not the will of the people as expressed in elections.

Her role and that of the royals runs deeper than the UK. She is not a creation of government like our leaders. Royals have seen governments in the UK come and go. So it's a big deal to people there and ISIL or whoever was on this mission knew that very well.

I used to see photos of Muslim protestors in London carrying signs of how they would rule the country, that all Britain would bow to Islam, etc. This would fit that meme. That is a belief system.

I'm not into any of these religions, but billions are, so there's no escape from the believers. Religions, like royalty, outlast every government. They will keep doing what they do.

We don't know if this plot was religious, or political, as there has been bad blood between the West and Middle East, or if one chooses to classify it that way, between Christianity and Islam for millenia. Wars have been fought for many more years than the current nation states in the Americas existed. It's complicated over there.

That's my answer, but I may have gone too far for your question. True, she doesn't have real political power but she's a big deal to the English. If this happened, I have no idea what the UK would do.

I can't imagine anyone wanting to kill her, but as you explained it, I wouldn't put it past terrorists to do such a horrible thing. I see more clearly now that you explained it. Thank you.

A lot of terrorist groups would like to do that, particularly South Asian ones.

It would be deviating to the UK if their Queen was killed.

all across the political spectrum, having just as big an effect in the UK as the killing of JFK had in the US. And the Islamists would see it as at least as big a triumph as 9/11, probably more so.

If they didn't want Westerners to support attacking them then they wouldn't regularly murder Westerners on Youtube.

It always sounded sensationalist for the queen to be the target. Blame Murdoch's Sun newspaper.