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Fri Nov 7, 2014, 12:34 PM

 

Iran dog owners could face 74 lashes

Source: Sky news

Dog owners in†Iran†could face up to 74 lashes, just for keeping them in their home or taking them out for walks.

A draft†law proposed by 32 members of parliament would also bring in heavy fines for those convicted of owning the animals, according to Iran's Shargh newspaper.


Read more: https://uk.news.yahoo.com/iranian-dog-owners-could-face-74-lashes-110422656.html



Wtf...

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maced666 Nov 2014 OP
WhiteTara Nov 2014 #1
maced666 Nov 2014 #3
WhiteTara Nov 2014 #8
PNW_Dem Nov 2014 #12
leftynyc Nov 2014 #15
PNW_Dem Nov 2014 #18
leftynyc Nov 2014 #20
Arugula Latte Nov 2014 #21
hollysmom Nov 2014 #26
Leontius Nov 2014 #30
Arugula Latte Nov 2014 #19
navarth Nov 2014 #38
PNW_Dem Nov 2014 #48
Ned Flanders Nov 2014 #55
Arugula Latte Nov 2014 #62
chrisa Nov 2014 #64
hamsterjill Nov 2014 #66
crim son Nov 2014 #47
zonkers Nov 2014 #2
maced666 Nov 2014 #5
get the red out Nov 2014 #34
christx30 Nov 2014 #11
leftynyc Nov 2014 #16
christx30 Nov 2014 #23
leftynyc Nov 2014 #24
Mz Pip Nov 2014 #22
hollysmom Nov 2014 #27
get the red out Nov 2014 #32
rwsanders Nov 2014 #52
Dopers_Greed Nov 2014 #28
christx30 Nov 2014 #29
Recursion Nov 2014 #60
samsingh Nov 2014 #4
adigal Nov 2014 #6
Android3.14 Nov 2014 #7
get the red out Nov 2014 #33
Rhinodawg Nov 2014 #53
paper boy Nov 2014 #9
rocktivity Nov 2014 #10
skepticscott Nov 2014 #25
KamaAina Nov 2014 #13
Gidney N Cloyd Nov 2014 #14
Arugula Latte Nov 2014 #17
CJCRANE Nov 2014 #31
nomorenomore08 Nov 2014 #69
Zorro Nov 2014 #35
CJCRANE Nov 2014 #36
shenmue Nov 2014 #37
navarth Nov 2014 #39
shenmue Nov 2014 #41
navarth Nov 2014 #40
Guy Whitey Corngood Nov 2014 #42
nomorenomore08 Nov 2014 #70
kiva Nov 2014 #43
CrawlingChaos Nov 2014 #44
Exultant Democracy Nov 2014 #58
SoapBox Nov 2014 #45
Orsino Nov 2014 #46
McCamy Taylor Nov 2014 #49
christx30 Nov 2014 #56
Lenomsky Nov 2014 #50
CrawlingChaos Nov 2014 #59
Sunlei Nov 2014 #51
candelista Nov 2014 #54
Exultant Democracy Nov 2014 #57
Recursion Nov 2014 #61
chrisa Nov 2014 #63
Recursion Nov 2014 #65
hughee99 Nov 2014 #67
happyslug Nov 2014 #68
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Response to maced666 (Original post)

Fri Nov 7, 2014, 12:36 PM

1. wow!

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Response to WhiteTara (Reply #1)

Fri Nov 7, 2014, 12:38 PM

3. Hopefully it won't pass?

 

But they have my attention.

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Response to maced666 (Reply #3)

Fri Nov 7, 2014, 12:44 PM

8. That made me look too.

Who would even propose that? Off topic, I wonder when the pukes will put public beatings into the law.

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Response to WhiteTara (Reply #1)

Fri Nov 7, 2014, 12:56 PM

12. House Cat Owners Yes, Dog Owners No

I could see doing this for house cat owners, considering the environmental damage that those little demons cause. Once again, they are way off the mark.

Cats kill up to 3.7B birds annually

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Response to PNW_Dem (Reply #12)

Fri Nov 7, 2014, 01:04 PM

15. My two cats are indoor cats

 

and have never killed a bird. Do I get to go lashless?

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Response to leftynyc (Reply #15)

Fri Nov 7, 2014, 01:11 PM

18. Eye Lashes

Whether or not you wear fake eye lashes is not up to me

However, very cool that you keep your cats indoors. I wish more folks would acknowledge the facts about song bird extinction and either keep their house cats indoors or get the declawed.

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Response to PNW_Dem (Reply #18)

Fri Nov 7, 2014, 01:13 PM

20. No - sorry

 

you lost me with declawing. All you're doing is basically cutting off their fingers and leaving them defenseless if they happen to get outdoors. My vet wont even do it.

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Response to PNW_Dem (Reply #18)

Fri Nov 7, 2014, 01:14 PM

21. No -- NOT declawed. That is torture.

 

Why don't you just go chop your fingers off at the knuckles? That's a similar suggestion.

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Response to Arugula Latte (Reply #21)

Fri Nov 7, 2014, 01:45 PM

26. are those little rubber things you glue on the nails acceptable?

just curious. I have a dog and it is a mouser - so it is a working dog or would be if I rented her out. would that be a pet or an income?

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Response to Arugula Latte (Reply #21)

Fri Nov 7, 2014, 02:30 PM

30. I was faced with a choice declaw my two cats or euthanize

 

Adoption slim to none chance or shelter which would be euthanize around here.

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Response to PNW_Dem (Reply #12)

Fri Nov 7, 2014, 01:13 PM

19. Oh FFS.

 

They're not little demons, they're animals just like humans are. And talk about an animal that causes destruction on a mass scale -- birds, oceans, air, water, you name it -- that would be the human animal.

I'm so sick of the cat haters spewing their stupid bile all the time.

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Response to Arugula Latte (Reply #19)

Fri Nov 7, 2014, 04:25 PM

38. must agree. nt

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Response to Arugula Latte (Reply #19)

Fri Nov 7, 2014, 10:03 PM

48. I am not a cat hater. I am a bird lover.

I am not a cat hater. I am a bird lover and song birds are going extinct in many parts of the country. The main cause, by far, is domesticated cats (aka house cats). Instead of whining like a Republican and pointing fingers, take responsibility for your actions if you are a cat owner. Itís not a made up fact, it real that house cats kill over one billion birds per year in the US which is far more (3x more) than any other cause (hunting, wind turbines, lighted buildings, etc).

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Response to Arugula Latte (Reply #19)

Sat Nov 8, 2014, 12:50 PM

55. anthropomorphizing

 

If your cat were bigger than you, it would probably like to play with you like it plays with birds and other small creatures. That is the difference between cats and dogs.

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Response to Ned Flanders (Reply #55)

Thu Nov 13, 2014, 01:09 PM

62. Bull. I have three (indoor only) cats and

 

they snuggle up to me at every opportunity. They keep me warm and toasty at night. One rides around on my shoulder.

Dogs are the ones who can and occasionally do attack (and sometimes) kill people. I'm not a dog person but I don't go around posting anti-dog stuff.

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Response to Ned Flanders (Reply #55)

Thu Nov 13, 2014, 02:42 PM

64. The dog would probably just eat you. I think I'd rather have the dog, but both will find you a tasty

snack if small enough. The dog wouldn't torture you before disemboweling you, though, which is a slight benefit there.

My dog loves trying to eat mice, squirrels, rabbits, birds, etc.

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Response to Arugula Latte (Reply #19)

Thu Nov 13, 2014, 02:46 PM

66. Me, too.

And the science doesn't back up their claims either.

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Response to PNW_Dem (Reply #12)

Fri Nov 7, 2014, 07:22 PM

47. Yeah, I can't.

But thanks for sharing.

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Response to maced666 (Original post)

Fri Nov 7, 2014, 12:38 PM

2. Don't they know raising a dog teaches a child responsibility and kindness. It's proven.

 

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Response to zonkers (Reply #2)

Fri Nov 7, 2014, 12:39 PM

5. And love....compassion...

 

Can go on and on...just really hope it never passes.

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Response to maced666 (Reply #5)

Fri Nov 7, 2014, 02:37 PM

34. Love and COMPASSION?

The last think the Iranian government would want a child to be taught.

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Response to zonkers (Reply #2)

Fri Nov 7, 2014, 12:55 PM

11. Its because dogs are considered unclean animals

in Islam. And everything else on the planet takes a backseat to their invisible sky fairy in that part of the world. Love, compassion, responsibility do not matter, as long as they think their imaginary friend is happy. Not much different from the "God hates f*gs" people here.

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Response to christx30 (Reply #11)

Fri Nov 7, 2014, 01:05 PM

16. Except the

 

G-d hates fags people aren't in government and I'm unaware of anyone in our government putting forth a law that could be punishable with whipping the skin off someone's back. Except for that - exactly the same.

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Response to leftynyc (Reply #16)

Fri Nov 7, 2014, 01:28 PM

23. Very true. And we need to increase voter turnout

to prevent that from happening.

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Response to christx30 (Reply #23)

Fri Nov 7, 2014, 01:31 PM

24. I hear you there

 

The Democratic turnout on Tuesday was a disgrace.

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Response to christx30 (Reply #11)

Fri Nov 7, 2014, 01:20 PM

22. Dogs are unclean.

Good grief, so what? That's why they get baths. They are messy creatures who like to roll in mud, crap, dead fish. They are doing what comes naturally to them. If the invisible sky fairy wanted them to be clean, he would have made them cats.

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Response to Mz Pip (Reply #22)

Fri Nov 7, 2014, 01:49 PM

27. not mine, she licks her paws and washs her face like a cat and won't sit in dirt, when

we go to the dog park, she stands around and whines when she gets tired, so I started bringing a pad for her to sit on. Some times she will sit on the table there if it is not covered in bird poop. Yes,I am stuck wit a clean freak dog. The only exception is the skunk stink when she chases the skunk away. She does whine about that too.

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Response to Mz Pip (Reply #22)

Fri Nov 7, 2014, 02:33 PM

32. It's because the "angel" that came to Mohammad

told him he wouldn't enter a house with a dog in it. So dogs are despised and often killed in many Muslim countries.

I love dogs, so I hate this, of course I've been told off for my love of dogs before.

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Response to get the red out (Reply #32)

Sat Nov 8, 2014, 12:24 PM

52. Never heard this before. So that's plenty of evidence it wasn't really an angel.

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Response to christx30 (Reply #11)

Fri Nov 7, 2014, 02:11 PM

28. Watch out

You're going to be accused of bigotry and scolded by Ben Affleck for this post.

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Response to Dopers_Greed (Reply #28)

Fri Nov 7, 2014, 02:22 PM

29. I'm comfortable with that.

He'll weep at my bigotry, curse the heavens for having to put up with it, then go save Gotham City. All will be well.

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Response to christx30 (Reply #11)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 07:42 AM

60. Well it's also because dog ownership is considered a decadent western influence (nt)

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Response to maced666 (Original post)

Fri Nov 7, 2014, 12:39 PM

4. stupid country

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Response to maced666 (Original post)

Fri Nov 7, 2014, 12:42 PM

6. Why??? I didn't think other countries could be stupider than we are

 

but again, I am proven wrong.

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Response to maced666 (Original post)

Fri Nov 7, 2014, 12:42 PM

7. More proof that Islam is a religion of peace

 

I may be ethnocentric, but I'm not trying to create "good" governance by beating pet owners with 32 lashes.

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Response to Android3.14 (Reply #7)

Fri Nov 7, 2014, 02:34 PM

33. Absolutely!!!!

I heartily agree.

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Response to Android3.14 (Reply #7)

Sat Nov 8, 2014, 12:30 PM

53. " More proof that Islam is a religion of peace"

 

like you needed any?

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Response to maced666 (Original post)

Fri Nov 7, 2014, 12:54 PM

9. God will surely reward them for their intolerance of dogs

 

and basically everything else.

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Response to maced666 (Original post)

Fri Nov 7, 2014, 12:54 PM

10. The more extreme end of Islam don't consider dogs to be "clean"

But I've always said that the problem with religious extremism isn't the religion, it's the extremism.


rocktivity

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Response to rocktivity (Reply #10)

Fri Nov 7, 2014, 01:36 PM

25. The two are not separable

 

The notion that a supreme being has dictated/mandated/forbidden something can't help but lead to what YOU label as "extremism". To the "extremists", what could be more sensible and natural than obeying what they believe to be the supreme lord of the universe, unfailingly and without compromise? To them, you putting your judgement ahead of god's is the crazy behavior.

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Response to maced666 (Original post)

Fri Nov 7, 2014, 12:57 PM

13. Time for a Million Dog March on the Iranian parliament

 

hopefully with plenty of Rottweilers, German shepherds, and of course, pit bulls.

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Response to maced666 (Original post)

Fri Nov 7, 2014, 01:01 PM

14. Time to air-drop a ton of these on them:

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Response to maced666 (Original post)

Fri Nov 7, 2014, 01:11 PM

17. Fuck religion, the scourge of humanity -- and animals.

 

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Response to maced666 (Original post)

Fri Nov 7, 2014, 02:31 PM

31. It seems there are different views and different interpretations.

As I try to do in most things, I thought I'd check for myself. Here are some excerpts from Wikipedia:

Dogs in the Qurʼān
Trained hunting dogs and the dog of the Companions of the Cave are described in a positive light, and the companionship of these dogs is mentioned with approval. The Qurʼān thus contains not even a hint of the condemnation of dogs found in certain ḥadīths.


Dogs in ḥadīths
A prostitute was forgiven by Allah, because, passing by a panting dog near a well and seeing that the dog was about to die of thirst, she took off her shoe, and tying it with her head-cover she drew out some water for it. So, Allah forgave her because of that.

The majority of Muslim jurists consider dogs to be ritually unclean, though jurists from the Sunni Maliki school disagree. However, outside their ritual uncleanness, Islamic fatāwā, or rulings, enjoin that dogs be treated kindly or else be freed.


Muslims generally cast dogs in a negative light because of their ritual impurity. The story of the Seven Sleepers of Ephesus in the Qur'an (and also the role of the dog in early Christianity) is one of the striking exceptions.Though dogs are not recommended as pets, they are allowed to be kept, especially if used for work and protection, such as guarding the house or farm, or when used for hunting purposes.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_and_animals#Views_regarding_particular_animals

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Response to CJCRANE (Reply #31)

Fri Nov 14, 2014, 12:14 AM

69. So what the Iranian parliament is doing here isn't even necessarily correct per their religion. n/t

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Response to maced666 (Original post)

Fri Nov 7, 2014, 02:38 PM

35. The Prophet was bitten by a dog centuries ago

so this is payback.

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Response to Zorro (Reply #35)

Fri Nov 7, 2014, 02:52 PM

36. I know that's a joke but if you read the link in my previous post...

You'll see that it's not as clear cut as the Iranian mullahs make out.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_and_animals#Views_regarding_particular_animals

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Response to maced666 (Original post)

Fri Nov 7, 2014, 04:13 PM

37. Okay this is ridiculous

Who doesn't like dogs?

Even kitties like dogs.

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Response to shenmue (Reply #37)

Fri Nov 7, 2014, 04:27 PM

39. now THAT

is fucking adorable.

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Response to navarth (Reply #39)

Fri Nov 7, 2014, 04:39 PM

41. Thanks

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Response to maced666 (Original post)

Fri Nov 7, 2014, 04:28 PM

40. My response, in the vernacular, would be

that is some sick insane evil shit. wtf iran.

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Response to maced666 (Original post)

Fri Nov 7, 2014, 04:59 PM

42. Clearly the lawmakers are being pressured by this mullah:

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Response to Guy Whitey Corngood (Reply #42)

Fri Nov 14, 2014, 12:15 AM

70. If you don't feed him on time you might lose your head...

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Response to maced666 (Original post)

Fri Nov 7, 2014, 06:24 PM

43. This belief is causing problems elsewhere:

Blind Man Files Complaint After He Says Muslim Cabbies Repeatedly Refused Service to Him and His Guide Dog
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/12/12/blind-man-files-complaint-after-he-says-muslim-cabbies-repeatedly-refused-service-to-him-and-his-guide-dog/

Muslim bus drivers refuse to let guide dogs on board
http://www.petstreet.co.uk/Forum/705350.Muslim%20bus%20drivers%20refuse%20to%20let%20guide%20dogs%20on%20board

This was a problem in Minneapolis/St.Paul a few years ago also.

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Response to maced666 (Original post)

Fri Nov 7, 2014, 06:55 PM

44. The horror of factory farming in this country is infinitely more shocking

We have no moral high ground on this issue.

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Response to CrawlingChaos (Reply #44)

Sat Nov 8, 2014, 04:54 PM

58. As far as Iran goes we have no moral high ground period, we dug the hole they are forced to live in.

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Response to maced666 (Original post)

Fri Nov 7, 2014, 07:13 PM

45. WTF is right.

I say, lash the assholes that would shit like this up.

What stupid fucking uneducated backwards idiots...the dogs have 10 times the brains of these freaks.

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Response to maced666 (Original post)

Fri Nov 7, 2014, 07:17 PM

46. Torture for morality!

Then let's have a war for peace!

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Response to maced666 (Original post)

Sat Nov 8, 2014, 08:22 AM

49. In the event of a zombie apocalypse...

...Iran is screwed. They won't have any dogs for defense or hunting.

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Response to McCamy Taylor (Reply #49)

Sat Nov 8, 2014, 04:40 PM

56. A bunch of crazed psychos killing

those that are not like them? How would you tell the difference from the zombie apocalypse?

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Response to maced666 (Original post)

Sat Nov 8, 2014, 10:22 AM

50. So ..

Police, farmers and hunters with working dogs would be exempt from the penalties.

Unclean dogs are ok if they have employment but I bet they get the bullet when they retire.

Shocking innit!

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Response to Lenomsky (Reply #50)

Sat Nov 8, 2014, 06:10 PM

59. Islam explicitly dictates that dogs should be treated kindly

All animals are to be treated with compassion, according to the Quran:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_and_animals

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Response to maced666 (Original post)

Sat Nov 8, 2014, 11:15 AM

51. abusers, hate everything their targets love

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Response to maced666 (Original post)

Sat Nov 8, 2014, 12:34 PM

54. That would be only 296 lashes for my former neighbor, for his 4 attack dogs.

 

Not enough. Can't sharia law do better?

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Response to maced666 (Original post)

Sat Nov 8, 2014, 04:51 PM

57. Dogs probably don't belong in cities. Irresponsible dog owners far out weigh responsible ones.

The is an elementary school in a city I used to live in that had to shut down outdoor recess because of all the shit all over the playground.

That being said no one deserves to be lashed, not the owners or the dogs. Even when they shit all over a children's playground.

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Response to maced666 (Original post)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 07:43 AM

61. Some of the Hindu nationalist groups in India are agitating against dog ownership too

I think the underlying issue in both cases is that it's seen as a decadent western influence.

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Response to Recursion (Reply #61)

Thu Nov 13, 2014, 02:38 PM

63. The crux of the problem here will always be religion.

In both instances, it allows people to turn their brains off and justify inhumanity.

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Response to chrisa (Reply #63)

Thu Nov 13, 2014, 02:43 PM

65. Eh.. this one is more nationalism

There's not really a religious argument against it.

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Response to chrisa (Reply #63)

Thu Nov 13, 2014, 04:18 PM

67. I'm not sure it's religion.

The problem isn't the religion. If people of a religion don't like dogs, they shouldn't get one. The problem is the merger of religion and government where religious beliefs are being dictated as rules everyone has to follow. I'm sure there are many people in the US that think dogs are unclean, but until politicians start taking that as a call to action, I don't see this as a real problem.

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Response to chrisa (Reply #63)

Thu Nov 13, 2014, 06:20 PM

68. This is cultural more then religous

 

Arabs have always had a bad view of dogs, mostly because Dogs and Jackals are often interchangeable in much of the Arab World.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jackal

Mostly this has to do with the Golden Jackel:



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_jackal

Like Coyotes, Jackals have been expanding into areas cleared of Wolves:




There is a group who believe the dog is descendant from the Jackal (Wolf to Jackal to dog, as opposed Wolf to Dog) do to several features that jackals and dogs have and wolves do not, these include (Charles Darwin was one such advocate):

1. lack of a tail scent gland
2. Round eyes
3. except when breed to be bigger or smaller, dogs tend to go to the 50 pound rage, the same as the Jackal.

One report indicate dogs and Wolfs separated about 135,000 years ago, about the time man shows up (Through some people have attacked that report, it is still considered within the range of the separation of Dog form Wolf). This does NOT mean man domesticated the dog 135,000 years ago, but that dogs somehow separated themselves from wolves, most likely by learning how to live around man. Actual domestication and breeding did not occur till either about 9000 years ago (Through one questionable report from the 1880s says 13,500 years ago).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origin_of_the_domestic_dog

Paper on dogs separating from wolves 100,000 years ago:

http://anthropology.tamu.edu/papers/Raisor-PhD2004.pdf

This would be compatible with the separation of Jackals from Wolves. DNA studies have indicated dogs are closer to Wolves then Jackals, but if you look at those studies you see a presumption in favor of wolves which may explain the findings. Furthermore it involves certain presumptions that may NOT be correct (Which is also the reason people attack the 135,000 years ago DNA report).

I bring this up, for it is the Arabs (and people of India) that are the most anti-dog, and this anti-dog attitude is more cultural then religious. It predates Islam, Buddhism and even much of Hinduism. It goes to the tradition of leaving Jackals and dogs eat scraps off the street. The Golden Jackal is the Jackal that did that in most ancient Mid-East to India cities. Thus Jackals (and thus also dogs) are viewed as animals of the gutter and thus "unclean" in those regions.

Now, you must understand the term "unclean". "Unclean" does not mean an animal is dirty or filthy, but something to avoid. "Clean" animals was a term related to domesticated animals. Thus any wild animal would be unclean, and when it came to Jackals a lot of ancient people viewed them NOT as domesticated pets but animals that cleaned up the trash left over from dinner.

Once you get away from the area where the Jackal lives, this hatred of dogs tend to disappear. South of the Golden Jackal area you are in Sub Sahara Africa and they appear to have imported the Dog only in the last 2000 years (with some tribes in Southern Africa only getting dogs in the last 500 years). North of the area where the Jackal lives, it is to cold to keep dogs outside in winter. You have to give them cover for them to survive, Furthermore dogs could and have been used as objects to warm people up. Thus the tendency to have dogs in homes outside of the Middle East, North Africa and India.

Jackals, like Coyotes in the Great Plains, evolved in an area where food was scarce, so being large was a disadvantage. In the Great Plains, the wolves would follow the bison herd, thus the coyotes had to avoid such herds, but left the rest of the Great Plains to them. It appears Jackals did the same as the Coyote, evolved in the dry desert area which could NOT support large animals, but could support much smaller animals. Thus the Jackal territory tends to be in areas without wolves (Or on areas where the Wolf travels through but does NOT stay).

In urban areas of the Ancient World, the Jackal and wild dogs thrived by eating what people threw away. Thus jackals and dogs became to be known as "Unclean" beasts and disliked by people in that part of the world.

Please note, Muhammad is believed to keep some hunting dogs and shepherds always had dogs.
Thus the "Ban" on dogs was NOT that dogs were "bad" just "unclean" and should be kept out of one's home. Again tied in with the habits of the Jackal.

Furthermore, in the Koran, dogs are treated with respect. For example a dog protects some men while they sleep when they hide in a cave during the persecution of Roman Emperor Diocletian (The Wikipedia says Emperor Decius). The Koran retells a story that was at least 100 years old at the time the Koran was written:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_Sleepers#Qur.27anic_version

Now, in the Hadiths, which are considered LESS reliable than the Koran itself, do repeat anti-dog tracks, but you have to be careful, some Hadiths are respected by both Sunni and Shiites, some by Sunni only, other by Shiites only.

Since we are discussing Iran, which is Shiite, only the Shiite Hadiths are a factor in this case:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Four_Books

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Shia_books

There are 25,000 Hadiths and some conflict with one another (which is NOT unexpected, for each one is to be read as a whole NOT a word or line by itself). It is in the Hadiths you see the anti-dog rules, and in most cases reflect traditional Arab/Iranian/Indian hostilities to dog do to the existence in those areas of the Golden Jackal.

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Response to maced666 (Original post)

Fri Nov 14, 2014, 07:05 AM

71. More religious absurdity.

 

- It's become quite boring.



K&R

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Fri Nov 14, 2014, 11:54 AM

72. These Mullahs don't sound cool to hang out.

I suppose they would balk at smoking some honey oil with me. 74 lashes? Who picks these numbers?

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