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Sun Oct 19, 2014, 11:43 AM

Black Vote Seen as Last Hope for Democrats to Hold Senate

Source: NY Times

WASHINGTON — The confidential memo from a former pollster for President Obama contained a blunt warning for Democrats. Written this month with an eye toward Election Day, it predicted “crushing Democratic losses across the country” if the party did not do more to get black voters to the polls.

“African-American surge voters came out in force in 2008 and 2012, but they are not well positioned to do so again in 2014,” Cornell Belcher, the pollster, wrote in the memo, dated Oct. 1. “In fact, over half aren’t even sure when the midterm elections are taking place.”

Mr. Belcher’s assessment points to an urgent imperative for Democrats: To keep Republicans from taking control of the Senate, as many are predicting, they need black voters in at least four key states. Yet the one politician guaranteed to generate enthusiasm among African Americans is the same man many Democratic candidates want to avoid: Mr. Obama.

Now, Democrats are deploying other prominent black elected officials and other surrogates, buttressed by sophisticated voter targeting efforts, to stoke black turnout. At the White House, the president is waging an under-the-radar campaign, recording video advertisements, radio interviews and telephone calls specifically targeting his loyal African-American base.

Read more: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/19/us/in-black-vote-democrats-see-lifeline-for-midterms.html?hpw&rref=politics&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&version=HpHedThumbWell&module=well-region®ion=bottom-well&WT.nav=bottom-well



Minorities and young voters just don't turn out during mid-term elections. This is why many Democrats have often tilted right during the mid-terms to cater to those folks who actually vote, the elderly and white males, which just further alienates minorities and young voters. Of course, this time around, Republicans have doubled down on voter suppression efforts, which should be reason enough to turn out and fight these efforts to disenfranchise the people.

Still, its a chicken and egg, sort of question. My take is that until we can manage to increase turnout, politicians will not be responsive to liberal priorities during mid-term elections. In other words, politicians spout rhetoric in order to appeal to those people who they think will turn out. More minorities are turning out during Presidential elections, which is why even Republicans are trying to pay lip service to immigration reform. However, the mid-terms still remain a huge demographic challenge.

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Reply Black Vote Seen as Last Hope for Democrats to Hold Senate (Original post)
TomCADem Oct 2014 OP
Turbineguy Oct 2014 #1
Andy823 Oct 2014 #17
jwirr Oct 2014 #29
IronLionZion Oct 2014 #42
demwing Oct 2014 #43
IronLionZion Oct 2014 #50
demwing Oct 2014 #51
MannyGoldstein Oct 2014 #54
IronLionZion Oct 2014 #68
wyldwolf Oct 2014 #58
Turbineguy Oct 2014 #59
wyldwolf Oct 2014 #60
bigdarryl Oct 2014 #2
RBInMaine Oct 2014 #13
ProudToBeBlueInRhody Oct 2014 #61
Andy823 Oct 2014 #18
merrily Oct 2014 #24
ProudToBeBlueInRhody Oct 2014 #62
merrily Oct 2014 #70
ProudToBeBlueInRhody Oct 2014 #72
merrily Oct 2014 #74
ProudToBeBlueInRhody Oct 2014 #75
MsLeopard Oct 2014 #36
madokie Oct 2014 #66
bigworld Oct 2014 #3
merrily Oct 2014 #25
Liberal_Stalwart71 Oct 2014 #35
JustAnotherGen Oct 2014 #55
Liberal_Stalwart71 Oct 2014 #65
pstokely Oct 2014 #47
JustAnotherGen Oct 2014 #56
merrily Oct 2014 #4
Big_Mike Oct 2014 #20
merrily Oct 2014 #21
iemitsu Oct 2014 #5
RBInMaine Oct 2014 #12
bravenak Oct 2014 #28
DeSwiss Oct 2014 #6
RBInMaine Oct 2014 #11
Andy823 Oct 2014 #19
bobclark86 Oct 2014 #31
TomCADem Oct 2014 #32
bobclark86 Oct 2014 #38
TomCADem Oct 2014 #45
Tarheel_Dem Oct 2014 #69
bobclark86 Oct 2014 #71
Tarheel_Dem Oct 2014 #73
ProudToBeBlueInRhody Oct 2014 #63
heaven05 Oct 2014 #7
RBInMaine Oct 2014 #8
merrily Oct 2014 #23
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JustAnotherGen Oct 2014 #52
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bravenak Oct 2014 #26
jwirr Oct 2014 #30
otohara Oct 2014 #33
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JustAnotherGen Oct 2014 #53
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Response to TomCADem (Original post)

Sun Oct 19, 2014, 11:49 AM

1. On the other hand,

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the more democrats stay home the sooner the republicans will fuck the country but good and we can start over.

When the wingnuts stop getting their gubmint handouts they'll turn on the GOP pronto.

Edited for clarity.

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Response to Turbineguy (Reply #1)

Sun Oct 19, 2014, 01:17 PM

17. Really?

Because if republicans do gain control of the Senate that will pretty much stop any kind of progress in D.C. for for two years. It will prevent us from putting liberal judges in place if some pass on in the Supreme court. It will see more attempts to shutdown the government, cut programs that people need while giving more to the rich. It will be a total disaster, and it will take years longer to get things fixed that it would if republicans did NOT take over the Senate.

All the talk about it being a "good" thing is pure bullshit!

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Response to Turbineguy (Reply #1)

Sun Oct 19, 2014, 02:35 PM

29. You actually think the Rs are going to give it back to us if they finish the takeover? The mess they

are making of this country is not hurting the rich so they are not likely to back out any time soon.

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Response to Turbineguy (Reply #1)

Sun Oct 19, 2014, 10:11 PM

42. Screwing the country and then blaming Obama

is something the tea party and many DUers have in common.

As if spending and revenue bills didn't originate in the GOP controlled house. Most Americans can't tell you what congress does exactly but they're sure everything is up to the president alone.

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Response to IronLionZion (Reply #42)

Sun Oct 19, 2014, 10:18 PM

43. Many DUers are screwing the country and blaming Obama?

 

that's ridiculous...

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Response to demwing (Reply #43)

Mon Oct 20, 2014, 06:42 AM

50. It is ridiculous

isn't it?

This is the biggest anti-Obama site.

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Response to IronLionZion (Reply #50)

Mon Oct 20, 2014, 06:52 AM

51. No. Your claims are ridiculous.

 

It's ridiculoua to claim that "many" DUers are screwing the country, and it's ridiculous to claim that DU is one of the biggest anti-Obama sites.

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Response to IronLionZion (Reply #50)

Mon Oct 20, 2014, 07:50 AM

54. This site embraces Democratic values.

 

To the extent that the President or anyone else strays from those, it is reasonable to call it out.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #54)

Mon Oct 20, 2014, 06:06 PM

68. You will never have to vote for President Obama ever again

I promise you, he's not on the ballot. The house and senate are, and lots of local elections and important ballot initiatives. Doom and gloom defeatism is not the best way to punish the president.

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Response to Turbineguy (Reply #1)

Mon Oct 20, 2014, 12:35 PM

58. why Turbineguy, are you advocating that strategy or merely thinking out loud?

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Response to wyldwolf (Reply #58)

Mon Oct 20, 2014, 01:33 PM

59. I already voted.

I do not advocate destroying the U.S.

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Response to Turbineguy (Reply #59)

Mon Oct 20, 2014, 02:01 PM

60. But are you advocating this:

"the more democrats stay home the sooner the republicans will fuck the country but good and we can start over."

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Response to TomCADem (Original post)

Sun Oct 19, 2014, 11:53 AM

2. Jesus I'm so sick of this.doom and gloom

 

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Response to bigdarryl (Reply #2)

Sun Oct 19, 2014, 12:54 PM

13. Media memeing to get headlines. This is NOT 2010. Sheesh. Nowhere near.

 

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Response to RBInMaine (Reply #13)

Mon Oct 20, 2014, 03:12 PM

61. Only because there's not much more they can take from us n/m

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Response to bigdarryl (Reply #2)

Sun Oct 19, 2014, 01:20 PM

18. So am I

From the MSM on down to all the doom and gloom post here on DU. I feel sorry for the doom and gloom spreaders here since their life must really be terrible when all they can see is the negative around them. Some here never seem to post anything positive at all.

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Response to bigdarryl (Reply #2)

Sun Oct 19, 2014, 01:42 PM

24. Media--and many pollsters--always try to discourage Democrats and always

hope that their gloomy predictions become self-fulfilling prophesies.

I distinctly remember a 2012 poll showing Obama losing to a generic Republican and to every single individual in the Republican field. I am not sure if Herman "999" Cain was in that paticular poll, or Bachmann, but the other definitely were.

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Response to merrily (Reply #24)

Mon Oct 20, 2014, 03:13 PM

62. And I remember the polls a few weeks before election day showing he would win....

....and beat Romney, and we would still not regain the House but maintain the Senate.

That's where we are right now.

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Response to ProudToBeBlueInRhody (Reply #62)

Tue Oct 21, 2014, 01:31 AM

70. What's your point? That pollsters don't tend to discourage Dems, as I stated?

Or is your point that polls this close to election day are always right and therefore Democrats are destined to lose this election no matter what happens between now and election day? And, if that is your point, can posting it now possibly do Democrats any good whatever?

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Response to merrily (Reply #70)

Tue Oct 21, 2014, 03:49 AM

72. Because I think people who claim "pollsters" are out to discourage one party or another....

....are quite frankly, full of it. While there are a few companies here and there who should not be trusted, the aggregate of respected polling organizations is usually correct.

Are you going to honestly sit there and tell me that on election day 2008 or 2012, you weren't heartened by the fact that Nate Silver and Dr Wang said Obama was going to win, even though I'm sure you know conservatives who said "I know in my heart America will never vote for him/vote for him again/McCain/Romney is going to win"?

You can't have it both ways. The polls are either accurate or they are crap.

And they were accurate in 2010, weren't they?

GOTV, it's as simple as that. It's time to fight back against the mindless zombies who dominate the midterms. But also prepare yourself. We are going to be swarmed by them. The polls are simply telling you how apathetic our side is. They are calling these assholes who are either convinced Republicans are right, they don't give a shit that the Thugs stand on the brink of destroying this country once and for all, or that they don't need to vote but once every 4 years. Stop shooting the messenger and try to grasp what the hell they are telling you.

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Response to ProudToBeBlueInRhody (Reply #72)

Wed Oct 22, 2014, 07:15 AM

74. Full of crap is implying pollsters are NOT biased toward one party or another.

Full of crap is not realizing that you when you say a poll saying Dems will lose is correct, you do nothing but dampen the GOTV effort.

Full of crap is never having met me, yet imagining (a) that I saw a particular poll on election day 2008 and then also imagining how I reacted to it.

Full of crap is telling me I am full of crap and then asking me questions and expecting an answer.

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Response to merrily (Reply #74)

Wed Oct 22, 2014, 05:42 PM

75. You were here in 2012

Were you replying to threads saying Obama was leading in the polls saying the polls were full of crap?

Yes or no. Real simple.

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Response to bigdarryl (Reply #2)

Sun Oct 19, 2014, 05:45 PM

36. I'm with you

It's almost as if the NY Times wanted to crush the spirit of Democratic voters.

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Response to bigdarryl (Reply #2)

Mon Oct 20, 2014, 05:22 PM

66. Right before the last election it was the same thing

The election before that and the one before that and the one before that, it goes back a few cycles to be honest.

RepubliCONs have nothing to run on so they have to try to scare up the votes they need. Petty little bastids is what they are

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Response to TomCADem (Original post)

Sun Oct 19, 2014, 11:54 AM

3. And unfortunately, blatently appealling for the African American vote turns away many rural whites

who might otherwise vote Democratic.

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Response to bigworld (Reply #3)

Sun Oct 19, 2014, 01:47 PM

25. Doesn't resonate with me. How do Democrats blatantly appeal for African American votes?

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Response to bigworld (Reply #3)

Sun Oct 19, 2014, 05:45 PM

35. So are you saying that Democrats should ignore black voters, hence take them for granted as they

 

always do?

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Response to Liberal_Stalwart71 (Reply #35)

Mon Oct 20, 2014, 09:11 AM

55. Yeah because L.S.

I'm trying to see how the Democratic Party asks us for our votes lately . . . It doesn't seem to me like they do. They just assume/expect us to show up.

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Response to JustAnotherGen (Reply #55)

Mon Oct 20, 2014, 04:58 PM

65. Exactly.

 

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Response to bigworld (Reply #3)

Mon Oct 20, 2014, 01:29 AM

47. that group will probably vote Repuke anyway

nt

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Response to bigworld (Reply #3)

Mon Oct 20, 2014, 09:13 AM

56. Can you give an example from a National Campaign?

I hopped on the Kovach and Booker web sites and I don't see where they are specifically targeting black voters. These are the two National politicians I've been engaged in GOTV efforts in 2014.

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Response to TomCADem (Original post)

Sun Oct 19, 2014, 12:00 PM

4. Republicans have been trying vote suppression for at least a century, if not more.

When I was in about 6th grade, my history teacher told us that, back in the day--she didn't say how far back--employers used to tell their employees the day before election day, "If So and So does not win Tuesday, don't bother showing up to work Wednesday." Not exactly vote suppression, but definitely an attempt to suppress the freedom to vote as one chooses.

I am going out on a limb and guess candidate So and So in the above quote was not the Democrat.

I have been saying for months that Democrats--not just individuals acting on their own initiative, either, should have made an organized effort to make sure every adult in each state knew what was required of him or her and let them know help in getting an ID or an absentee ballot or whatever was available to them if they needed it. Meanwhile, volunteers should have been filled in how to help.

There could even have been a fund to pay to get copies of birth and marriage records if necessary. I would gladly have donated to something like that, wouldn't you?

Even if a lawsuit was pending in that state, you had to figure, some judge might decide against you. Worst case, voters would have known the Party favors voting and is willing to help and they would have had an ID, even if they didn't need it to vote and it would have been a great "CBS cares" type PR for the Democratic Party.

But, now, it's mid October.

Sometimes, I wonder if Democrats try to lose.





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Response to merrily (Reply #4)

Sun Oct 19, 2014, 01:26 PM

20. To your final line, I'll quote a fine man

"I don't belong to an organized political party - - - I'm a Democrat." Will Rogers

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Response to Big_Mike (Reply #20)

Sun Oct 19, 2014, 01:31 PM

21. I love the clips I've seen of him. Wish there were more.

But, I think the party is a lot more organized than that comment suggests.

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Response to TomCADem (Original post)

Sun Oct 19, 2014, 12:05 PM

5. I don't suppose that ignoring what is going on in Ferguson Mo.

will help get black voters to the polls either.
The real problem is that none of the candidates will represent the people who vote for them, they will represent those who paid for them to win office, and this is true whether one votes Democratic or Republican.
Both parties represent capitalists while most citizens are workers.
It is difficult to excite people about voting when that is the situation in which they can cast a vote.

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Response to iemitsu (Reply #5)

Sun Oct 19, 2014, 12:53 PM

12. It hasn't been ignored and not all parts of the country have that issue. Enough excuses please.

 

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Response to RBInMaine (Reply #12)

Sun Oct 19, 2014, 02:16 PM

28. The ENTIRE COUNTRY, has that problem.

 

We don't look around and say to ourselves, 'Oh, well at least it's not hapoening to me!" It is happening in hundreds of towns around America. And where are the democratic leaders on this issue? Why do they choose to ignore our plight? Why should we vote for a party that doesn't even care enough about our lives to say something?

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Response to TomCADem (Original post)

Sun Oct 19, 2014, 12:07 PM

6. Vote Dempublican so we don't end up with a Republicrat!!!

 

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Response to DeSwiss (Reply #6)

Sun Oct 19, 2014, 12:52 PM

11. NO EXCUSES FOR NOT VOTING ! NONE ! PERIOD !

 

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Response to DeSwiss (Reply #6)

Sun Oct 19, 2014, 01:22 PM

19. That meme

That both parties are the same is pure bullshit. If republicans were in charge now where would be be today? Deeper and deeper in a huge pile of crap trying to dig our way out while the republicans destroy what is left of this country.

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Response to Andy823 (Reply #19)

Sun Oct 19, 2014, 02:48 PM

31. So... where we are now? n/t

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Response to bobclark86 (Reply #31)

Sun Oct 19, 2014, 03:16 PM

32. The Fox News/Tea Party Types ...

...might have something to do with the lack of action. How many times has the House voted to repeal the ACA?

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Response to TomCADem (Reply #32)

Sun Oct 19, 2014, 07:44 PM

38. How much time did the Democrats have? Two years?

We held both houses and the presidency for two years. The leadership wasted that time on what, a Heritage Foundation-written health care law? Raising Social Security withholding without raising the maximum rich people can make before not having to pay in? A stimulus touted to fix our infrastructure that most of the money didn't go to infrastructure?

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Response to bobclark86 (Reply #38)

Sun Oct 19, 2014, 11:39 PM

45. During which they passed ACA, Saved Auto Industry, Financial Reform...

...Do you want to compare two years with Democrats running Congress with the 4 years since? The stimulus helped reversed severe falling unemployment. It should have been bigger. but again, without it where would we be.

As for ACA being a failure, well, if you want to push for repeal, I guess we just don't really agree, but I know many others who oppose the ACA and the Stimulus and most of them are Republicans.

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Response to bobclark86 (Reply #38)

Tue Oct 21, 2014, 01:29 AM

69. Nice Republican talking point ya got there, only thing is, it's FALSE.

The Myth of Democratic Super Majority.

One of the standard Republican talking points is that the Democrats had a filibuster-proof, super majority for two years between 2008 and 2010. This talking point is usually trotted out when liberals complain that the Republicans filibustered virtually every piece of legislation proposed by Obama or the Democrats during Obama’s presidency. The implication is that Democrats had ample opportunity to pass legislation and that the reason they didn’t pass more legislation doesn’t have anything to do with the Republicans.

It is also used to counter any argument that Republican legislation, (passed during the six years of total Republican control,) has anything to do with today’s problems. They claim that the Democrats had a super majority for two years and passed all kinds of legislation, (over Republican objection and filibuster,) that completely undid all Republican policies and legislation, and this absolves them from today’s problems.

The Truth is that the Democrats only had a filibuster-proof majority for 60 working days during that period, insufficient time to undo even a small portion of the legislation passed during six years of Republican control. Here are the details:


2. BIG GAIN IN 2008, BUT STILL NO SUPER MAJORITY. Coming out the 2008 election, the Democrats made big gains, but they didn’t immediately get a Super Majority. The Minnesota Senate race required a recount and was not undecided for more than six months. During that time, Norm Coleman was still sitting in the Senate and the Balance 59-41, still not a Super Majority.

3. KENNEDY GRAVELY ILL. Teddy Kennedy cast his last vote in April and left Washington for good around the first of May. Technically he could come back to Washington vote on a pressing issue, but in actual fact, he never returned, even to vote on the Sotomayor confirmation. That left the balance in the Senate 58-41, two votes away from a super majority.


More....



http://factleft.com/2012/01/31/the-myth-of-democratic-super-majority/

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Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #69)

Tue Oct 21, 2014, 02:20 AM

71. Umm...

You mean there weren't two moderate Republicans anywhere to be seen?

And I'm not talking about a filibuster-proof supermajority. I'm talking about getting ANYTHING progressive done. Hell, not even an attempt at compromise to get something done.

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Response to bobclark86 (Reply #71)

Tue Oct 21, 2014, 12:16 PM

73. Where'd you find that? "Contradictions-R-Us"? Where were these alledged "moderates" you speak of?

Unless you've been under a rock for the past 7 years, you know what our Congress looks like, or you're playing ignorant. What were these "progressive" issues we were supposed to compromise on? Not all Democrats are liberal, and unless you get out there and draft a whole nation of Bernie Sanders' to run for office & WIN, you'll never get your pony.



No attempt at "compromise"? Boy, you've got the talking points, coming out of your ears.

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Response to DeSwiss (Reply #6)

Mon Oct 20, 2014, 03:15 PM

63. Awesome dude

You've done your part for the day

Are you gonna have a "big reveal" election night?

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Response to TomCADem (Original post)

Sun Oct 19, 2014, 12:15 PM

7. brown and black, young and woman vote

 

is the last hope for a sane america. Period. If the vote doesn't turn out, a generation of political insanity is in the offing. Teanuts, racists, libertarians and just your plain congressional RW whackjob and office holder will be running the ship of state, aground. And like the Titanic, very few of US will survive.

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Response to TomCADem (Original post)

Sun Oct 19, 2014, 12:43 PM

8. STOP BLAMING THE DEM PARTY ! Don't even know when the elections are? INEXCUSABLE !!

 

ENOUGH of defending this inexcusable apathy. GET THE HELL OUT AND VOTE ! NO EXCUSES !

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Response to RBInMaine (Reply #8)

Sun Oct 19, 2014, 01:36 PM

23. I assume the great majority of DUers vote and care or they would not

spend so much time posting about politics.

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Response to TomCADem (Original post)

Sun Oct 19, 2014, 12:45 PM

9. The black vote is the most consistent and largest vote for Democrats.

They truly are the base of the party - voting for Democrats in higher percentages than any demographic, whether economic, religious or cultural.

If it weren't for black voters, the Democratic Party would be a dead party.

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Response to Drunken Irishman (Reply #9)

Sun Oct 19, 2014, 12:51 PM

10. You're partly correct and partly not. Here is why:

 

Yes, they are the biggest racial demographic proportionally, but their voting rates vary too much between presidential and mid term elections, along with other minorities, women, young voters, etc. This has got to CHANGE once and for all.

Next, they are 13% of the vote. The party would be dented but not "dead" without them.

I do applaud the group for being overwhelmingly democratic, and we all should. Now we need to work on voting consistency.

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Response to RBInMaine (Reply #10)

Sun Oct 19, 2014, 01:01 PM

15. The D party needs to make it clear that Democrats benefit everyone

not just black, not just women, not just the poor, not just the young. We really do need to broaden the base... a 50-state strategy, but among every voting bloc. Have visible outreach to the elderly, to the NASCAR crowd, to suburbanites, and yeah, to white middle class guys.

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Response to RBInMaine (Reply #10)

Mon Oct 20, 2014, 06:58 AM

52. Good luck in Texas and North Carolina with that

Coming soon to a black American near you . . . a complete total reversal of our basic right to vote.


No one better blame black Democrats if we don't pull N.C. and T.X. At the end of the day - the SCOTUS deliberately and maliciously turned all of those elections in those two states over to their beloved little Republican Party.


BTW - we were talking about this months ago in the AA Group. Kind of hard to vote consistently when the fix is in on black folks in America.

We've seen if for awhile now - welcome to the party. Glad someone else sees it too - now that it's too late.

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Response to TomCADem (Original post)

Sun Oct 19, 2014, 12:57 PM

14. record number of Texans are registered to vote 14,025,441

The last day to register to vote in the November 4 elections was October 6. The previous highest number of registrations on record was 13,646,226 set in November 2012 before the presidential election.

Vote everybody! check your ID*

Registered voters will need to present one of the following approved forms of photo ID when voting in person:

Texas Driver License – issued by the Texas Department of Public Safety (DPS)
Texas Personal Identification Card – issued by DPS
Texas Concealed Handgun License – issued by DPS
United States Military Identification card containing the person’s photograph
United States Citizenship Certificate containing the person’s photograph
United States Passport – issued by the U.S. government
Election Identification Certificate – issued free by DPS

The photo ID must be current or expired no more than *60 days, with the exception of the U.S. citizenship certificate.

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Response to Sunlei (Reply #14)

Sun Oct 19, 2014, 02:12 PM

27. Address must comply with at least the driver's license

I guess no one cares if people show their NRA id because gopers consider they have a corner on that market (many Dems have them too). The name must be exactly the same on the voter registrar along with date of birth because believe me they will only check ids in the Dem areas. Be prepared and also be prepared for long lines.

The corporate media will spew doom and gloom for the Democratic Party for any and all elections from now on unless Americans can take back the media. To do that, Americans must take back our political system, i.e. 1) get rid of Citizen United, etc. 2) establishment for further democracy legislations/Judgeships and the United States Supreme Court 3) same with State and local, et al.

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Response to TomCADem (Original post)

Sun Oct 19, 2014, 01:03 PM

16. It seems a terribly bad strategy to chortle about deficit reduction when that removes opportunity

 

for this very group, and that's often listed as a "Democratic" accomplishment. "Look what we've done".

That reduced government employment directly impacts entire black families and communities, because that WAS one of the few places they could get a better job with slightly less discrimination.

With that gone, they can't afford bus fare to get to the damn polling site.

That would be enough to pull "Democrats" strategists to the left if they cared more about working people than bankers.

From above: "This is why many Democrats have often tilted right" < Or maybe just greed, since years ago they found it was easier to get large money from financiers than people on food stamps, and then the financiers found that they could get their way by controlling the money.

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Response to TomCADem (Original post)

Sun Oct 19, 2014, 01:35 PM

22. That's just great! Prepare to blame the black voters or non voters for the coming losses.

 

Nevermind those who on the campaign trail who have run away from the President and his very successful record. From the beginning, once Obama was elected, except for the young black, white, and Hispanic voters, the Dem establishment began standing away from the President when the going got tough. Never saw a real champion for the Dem agenda on any of the talk shows except for Biden. As one can see from Hillary, Panetta, and their like it's damning with faint praise and hoping no one notices. The folks who should have been talking about the actions that were successful gave about a week's worth of faint praise and then walked away with the mantra of "he could have done more." Had bin Laden been tracked down and killed under the Bush administration the praise never would have ended and Bush would have been heroized until now. The truth is this President has never enjoyed the support he deserved from the pols at the upper levels of his party and he never will. A major miracle that he has been able to achieve what he has so far with the spit in his face and the knives in his back. Yes, even here on DU.

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Response to kelliekat44 (Reply #22)

Sun Oct 19, 2014, 05:47 PM

37. Why not? Everyone's been blaming Obama anyway. Why not continue to blame all us knee-grows?

 

We're used to it.

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Response to Liberal_Stalwart71 (Reply #37)

Mon Oct 20, 2014, 02:00 AM

48. Don't worry.

There's always the Jews. We usually get the blame too.

Doesn't it seem that some of this "they're the same party" crap and "why bother voting" bullshit has a whiff of (straight, able-bodied, Christian, male, well-off) white privilege to it? While none of us seem to prosper during a Republican administration, it seems the minorities are always the hardest hit, women included.

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Response to Behind the Aegis (Reply #48)

Mon Oct 20, 2014, 05:57 PM

67. +++1,000,000 nt

 

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Response to TomCADem (Original post)

Sun Oct 19, 2014, 02:12 PM

26. I suppose giving the base something to vote for wouldn't help.

 

And for those saying that the problems in Ferguson are not wide spread, you are wrong. It effects all of us in various ways and we needed support from the party on this issue. The party needs our votes, we need our lives in order to vote. And our freedom.

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Response to TomCADem (Original post)

Sun Oct 19, 2014, 02:38 PM

30. There is no doubt that the black voter is important. We saw that in 2008. But the truth is that

there are no unimportant votes. We need to stand together.

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Response to TomCADem (Original post)

Sun Oct 19, 2014, 03:35 PM

33. Millennials Dropped Off By 60% in 2010

 

I went to a small rally to see Sen. Warren and it was all us old folks.

The cannabis kids are not interested even though one candidate for Governor has said he'd try to repeal the legalization of marijuana law passed in 2012. Pretty sure most of them are unaware of his threat to undo this law.

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Response to TomCADem (Original post)

Sun Oct 19, 2014, 03:41 PM

34. I don't think this is a setup to blame; just a reminder to vote. I'm spreading this around. Thanks.

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Response to TomCADem (Original post)

Sun Oct 19, 2014, 08:42 PM

39. This Thread is an Interesting Read...

Especially the replies. However the some of the REAL REASONS African-Americans voters might stay home is the following:

-The Unemployment rate has not REALLY improved for African-Americans compared to other ethnic groups.

-The value of a Young Black Male with excess melanin in his skin on nearly any street in America when comforted by an security guard, mall cop, law enforcement officer or other type of "Authorities" with a gun --- is less than 20% --- regardless of if they have a gun back.

-America is a racist nation. Period.

-The repeated complete and utter continued disrespect of the half-African American second-term President in the White House.

-The devil you know syndrome. African-Americans know Republicans are Racist. African-American know many Democrats are racist too and do an awful job of hiding it --- even if they "think" they are fooling others.

And more but these are enough reasons, for now....

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Response to LovingA2andMI (Reply #39)

Mon Oct 20, 2014, 07:09 AM

53. Can one even afford bus fare?

That's another good point someone made upthread.

I know in rural parts of NJ we need as many people volunteering to get the elderly, disabled, and last minute lost my ride folks to the polls.

A simple thing for any DUer to do - if you can afford the time off from work and have a working car - volunteer to take people to the polls.

It helped in Eastern PA in 2008 - not my state. But I volunteered over the border to make sure we pulled PA solid.

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Response to TomCADem (Original post)

Sun Oct 19, 2014, 08:56 PM

40. {erfect time to have been so silent

about voter fraud.

And for Hillary to have kicked sand in the face of Obama.

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Response to TomCADem (Original post)

Sun Oct 19, 2014, 09:02 PM

41. DNC supports citizen surveillance, fracking, Israel bombing the shit out of civilians,

and supports sending more US jobs to Asia via TPP and other crippling trade agreements.

Go to the democrats.org website and see what kind of support DNC is giving Ferguson protestors? ZERO. What will you find under "civil rights"? Lilly Ledbetter. Don't think this police brutality and abuse shit happens all over the country? You are wrong. DNC isn't exactly channeling MLK here.

War, Wall Street crooks, injustice, racism, these are all issues that matter to young people.

Don't come here and bitch about a lack of interest when the national organization doesn't have a compelling vision for how they are going improve people's lives. And what the fuck happened to OFA? Damn shame and a waste.

And for christ's sake - Democratic candidates are RUNNING away from ACA! Un-fucking believable!

Don't like what's happening? Bitch at DNC. Until you join those of us demanding representation/recognition of these critical issues, like what is happening in Ferguson, things will just get worse for the young, for the non-rich, for minorities, for everyone except the 1%.




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Response to TomCADem (Original post)

Sun Oct 19, 2014, 10:26 PM

44. why we don't turn out

when your Senator harps on and on about the middle class and never even bothers to court any voters but the middle class, what the heck do you expect? When poor people who want to volunteer are turned down or ignored, what do you expect? When the disabled, the poor , the elderly and many others are ignored , what do you expect. The problem with pollsters is the problem with the entire party .. the DEmocrats patronize the poor while the REthgs want us dead. Karma sure is a a B****>I will vote DEmocrat just because any other vote is certain death. However, I could care less.. I trust the President, the poor guy was set up to fail and billions spent to trash him. Who benefits from trashing him?.. the KOCH Brothers.I feel sorry for him. I would not ' work in that nest of snakes in DC if you paid me. Arrogant self absorbed game playing bulls**** artists all out for themselves. Prayers for our president the other DEmocrats especially Hagan can kiss my ****

When human beings stop being so gullible they start using their brains instead of watching every darn news story as if it's golden, then and only then will this country change.The only revolution we need is one of the heart and mind towards human decency and kindness. The rest is all hyperbole and manipulation.
Sad such a great company was brought down by media that wouldn't know truth is it bit them. EDward R MUrrow rolls over in his grave

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Response to archaic56 (Reply #44)

Wed Oct 22, 2014, 06:39 PM

76. You touch on an important point.

 

The Middle Class in America has nearly vanished, yet that's the only demographic to which Democratic candidates speak. If candidates would speak to Working Class America, they might be surprised at the support they would find.

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Response to TomCADem (Original post)

Mon Oct 20, 2014, 01:29 AM

46. prove the media wrong and GOTV

nt

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Response to TomCADem (Original post)

Mon Oct 20, 2014, 04:12 AM

49. People don't see the value of voting DEM, because the DEMS endlessly want to be GOP-lite. So, they

 

stay home.

And I'm pretty sure that's just the way Third Way wants it, with the GOP fully in the driver's seat.

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Response to TomCADem (Original post)

Mon Oct 20, 2014, 12:02 PM

57. If Democrats worked as hard for us add they do the one percent

The Republican party would already be dead.

Instead, Democrats are auditioning to take GOP's place as most trusted water boys for the rich.

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Response to TomCADem (Original post)

Mon Oct 20, 2014, 04:52 PM

64. Get a better message, Dems, and you wouldn't be coasting on one demographic.

Democratic principles, if followed consistently, could build a winning platform. Please don't just pander to Wall Street and pray that black people will bail you out.

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