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Sat Sep 13, 2014, 04:23 PM

Report: ISIS, Syrian Rebels Reach Ceasefire

Source: The Hill

@trevortimm: ISIS reportedly agrees to a ceasefire w/ the Syrian rebels that are supposed to be the US's key to "destroying" ISIS http://t.co/FhgYEaGTmE/s/3gJW

Report: ISIS, Syrian rebels reach ceasefire

By Rebecca Shabad - 09/13/14 12:43 PM EDT

Moderate Syrian rebels and the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria (ISIS) reportedly struck a cease-fire deal on Friday, according to a group that has monitored Syria's civil war.

The groups agreed to a non-aggression pact in which they promised not to attack each other.

The development could influence members of Congress to vote “no” on an authorization to train and equip moderate rebel groups as early as next week. The White House has requested the authorization, but some lawmakers have already been skeptical the opposition groups can be trusted.

The Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, a monitoring group based in the United Kingdom, said the groups reached the agreement in a suburb of Damascus, Syria’s capital.

Under the deal, "the two parties will respect a truce until a final solution is found and they promise not to attack each other because they consider the principal enemy to be the Nussayri regime,” Agence France-Presse reported.
Nussayri is a negative term for Syrian President Bashar al-Assad’s Alawite regime.


Read more: http://thehill.com/policy/international/217645-syrian-rebels-isis-agree-to-non-aggression-pact

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Reply Report: ISIS, Syrian Rebels Reach Ceasefire (Original post)
Hissyspit Sep 2014 OP
Fred Sanders Sep 2014 #1
ballyhoo Sep 2014 #16
TwilightGardener Sep 2014 #2
another_liberal Sep 2014 #29
TwilightGardener Sep 2014 #37
candelista Sep 2014 #45
DonCoquixote Sep 2014 #3
TwilightGardener Sep 2014 #5
99th_Monkey Sep 2014 #4
another_liberal Sep 2014 #28
Hulk Sep 2014 #6
99th_Monkey Sep 2014 #7
al bupp Sep 2014 #13
99th_Monkey Sep 2014 #14
karynnj Sep 2014 #20
99th_Monkey Sep 2014 #22
candelista Sep 2014 #39
al bupp Sep 2014 #46
Bragi Sep 2014 #54
99th_Monkey Sep 2014 #56
cosmicone Sep 2014 #10
pampango Sep 2014 #24
cosmicone Sep 2014 #34
Bragi Sep 2014 #55
ballyhoo Sep 2014 #19
another_liberal Sep 2014 #27
Rod Beauvex Sep 2014 #52
pampango Sep 2014 #25
cosmicone Sep 2014 #8
tazkcmo Sep 2014 #31
albino65 Sep 2014 #9
JDPriestly Sep 2014 #11
tazkcmo Sep 2014 #32
BobbyBoring Sep 2014 #47
pampango Sep 2014 #12
candelista Sep 2014 #40
Wolf Frankula Sep 2014 #15
ballyhoo Sep 2014 #17
daleo Sep 2014 #18
candelista Sep 2014 #42
Chan790 Sep 2014 #49
candelista Sep 2014 #53
George II Sep 2014 #44
George II Sep 2014 #21
another_liberal Sep 2014 #30
George II Sep 2014 #35
another_liberal Sep 2014 #36
George II Sep 2014 #41
candelista Sep 2014 #43
tazkcmo Sep 2014 #33
Chan790 Sep 2014 #50
grahamhgreen Sep 2014 #23
another_liberal Sep 2014 #26
candelista Sep 2014 #38
ucrdem Sep 2014 #48
quadrature Sep 2014 #51
pkdu Sep 2014 #57

Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Sat Sep 13, 2014, 04:26 PM

1. They made the deal in a suburb of Damascus? The capital of Syria? Says who again? Gonna need more

evidence....why would the not quite as bad as the really bad beheading terrorists about to be equipped and trained by America suddenly throw that away?

Someone is lying...who?

My guess is everyone.

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Response to Fred Sanders (Reply #1)

Sat Sep 13, 2014, 06:25 PM

16. No...not everyone.

 

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Sat Sep 13, 2014, 04:30 PM

2. I think we'll have to wait and see if this is legitimate and has a bearing on

what we are planning to do in Syria. This may be ISIS or some other group trying to prevent US action, or it could be other groups that are NOT the Free Syrian Army (our guys, supposedly) trying to gain some advantage. It pays to be skeptical of ANY info that comes out of Syria, and why it's such a hard knot to untangle.

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Response to TwilightGardener (Reply #2)

Sun Sep 14, 2014, 08:56 AM

29. The orgininal source is AFP . . .

 

They are considered a reliable source, in most circles.

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Response to another_liberal (Reply #29)

Sun Sep 14, 2014, 10:30 AM

37. I didn't say AFP wasn't legitimate, but they are reporting from sources

that may have an agenda. There is shitloads of propaganda coming out of Syria, and has been for some time.

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Response to TwilightGardener (Reply #37)

Sun Sep 14, 2014, 12:47 PM

45. :)

 

"Shitloads" of propaganda, indeed! Mostly from Washington, D.C.

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Sat Sep 13, 2014, 04:35 PM

3. or maybe Moscow

simply thre some seed money their way, as they knew it would cut things off at the knees.

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Response to DonCoquixote (Reply #3)

Sat Sep 13, 2014, 04:45 PM

5. I do believe this is some sudden maneuvering here to forestall airstrikes.

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Sat Sep 13, 2014, 04:40 PM

4. But wait!! We're supposed to shower new armaments to the Syrian rebels first,

 

before they join forces with ISIS.

These guys are operating off-script.

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Reply #4)

Sun Sep 14, 2014, 08:42 AM

28. Touche'

 

It must have been a mistake in the translation.

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Sat Sep 13, 2014, 04:48 PM

6. It's a matter of survival...

...plain and simple. "We'll quit fighting them, if they'll quit fighting us, so we can both concentrate on fighting Assad; and THEN we can begin killing each other again once we have defeated Assad....which is exactly what is going to happen. Forget allies in Syria. NOT going to happen. If we don't forget about toppling Assad, and work WITH HIM to get rid of ISIS, we aren't going to get rid of ISIS. Pretty simple. Pick the lesser of two evils. Much of Syria was content with the Assad regime, and many are actually supporters of the brutal dictator. Didn't we learn ANYTHING from Iraq and Hussein?

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Response to Hulk (Reply #6)

Sat Sep 13, 2014, 04:53 PM

7. Exactly!!! AND we ought to invite Iran to fight against ISIS as well

 

which they are chomping at the bit to do, but John Kerry says "no" that "would not be appropriate".
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/13/world/middleeast/kerry-opposes-irans-inclusion-in-iraq-security-talks.html?action=click&contentCollection=Middle%20East

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Reply #7)

Sat Sep 13, 2014, 05:52 PM

13. There's evidence this is already tacitly happening (at least by proxy)

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Response to al bupp (Reply #13)

Sat Sep 13, 2014, 05:59 PM

14. So maybe Obama's REAL strategy is to "build a coalition of allies"

 

mainly for public show.

And to meanwhile -- as quietly & invisible as possible -- accommodate and facilitate Assad & Iran wiping out ISIS altogether, on their dime.

wish wish.

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Reply #14)

Sat Sep 13, 2014, 07:08 PM

20. Could be - and it is obvious why it can't be public - we would lose the Sunnis

and without them, there is no chance to beat ISIS long term in Iraq.


As to Iran, here is what Kerry said of how they and the US are working :

While Kerry said there is no direct military cooperation with Iran, he told VOA that Tehran and Washington do not want to get in each other's way as they fight a common enemy.

"Both Iran and the United States are smart enough to take precautions to make sure that there is a deconfliction with respect to that kind of possibility," he said.

"That's common sense, but it doesn't amount to cooperation in terms of military operations or otherwise," Kerry added. "And certainly we will keep people out of harms way as appropriately, and we would hope they would."

A senior State Department official said the United States and its Arab allies in this coalition are "pretty much aware of what Iran is doing in Iraq. And they're not trying to conceal it either."
http://www.voanews.com/content/kerry-saudi-arabia-talks-arab-leaders-comabting-islamic-state/2445974.html

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Response to karynnj (Reply #20)

Sat Sep 13, 2014, 07:30 PM

22. Good on Kerry for at least saying that.

 

"do not want to get in each other's way"

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Reply #14)

Sun Sep 14, 2014, 10:47 AM

39. No, Obama does not control these people.

 

That much is obvious.

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Reply #14)

Sun Sep 14, 2014, 01:57 PM

46. Interesting idea, that

Not completely implausible, and maybe the least bad out of a lot of much worse options.

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Reply #7)

Sun Sep 14, 2014, 09:31 PM

54. And Russia too

They can help the US defeat ISIS, then the US and Russia can nuke each other, and then...

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Response to Bragi (Reply #54)

Sun Sep 14, 2014, 10:27 PM

56. the more the merrier.

 

But let's all agree to disagree, please ...
without all the stupid pointless bloodshed.

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Response to Hulk (Reply #6)

Sat Sep 13, 2014, 04:57 PM

10. Hafez Assad was revered by Syrians

 

and so was his son. The opposition comprises of radical Sunnis funded by Saudi Arabia and Qatar who want to get rid of the secular state and replace it with an intolerant one.

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Response to cosmicone (Reply #10)

Sun Sep 14, 2014, 07:58 AM

24. Amnesty International Documents Torture Inside Syria on a Scale Not Seen for Decades

The scale of torture and other ill-treatment in Syria is reminiscent of the dark era of the 1970s and 1980s under President Hafez al-Assad, the father of the current president.

Amnesty International said that the testimonies of torture survivors presented yet more evidence of crimes against humanity being committed by the Syrian government under President Bashar al-Assad.

The research on torture is presented on Amnesty International's Eyes on Syria website (www.eyesonsyria.org), an interactive mapping platform that documents human rights violations in the context of the popular uprising. Also take action now to call on Russia to take a stand against the bloodshed in Syria.

http://www.amnestyusa.org/news/press-releases/amnesty-international-documents-torture-inside-syria-on-a-scale-not-seen-for-decades

The 'reverence' for Hafez al-Assad's was tied to the fact that he arrested, tortured and killed anyone who did not 'revere' him. His son, Bashar, employs similar methods to achieve 'reverence'. Like father, like son.

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Response to pampango (Reply #24)

Sun Sep 14, 2014, 09:41 AM

34. Amnesty International .... oh brother

 

The goody two-shoes organization that is used politically by the US/UK axis and was suspected to be a CIA front?

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Response to cosmicone (Reply #34)

Sun Sep 14, 2014, 09:33 PM

55. Huh? That's a joke, right? /nt

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Response to Hulk (Reply #6)

Sat Sep 13, 2014, 06:58 PM

19. I don't get why people don't understand this. Blows my mind.

 

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Response to ballyhoo (Reply #19)

Sun Sep 14, 2014, 08:41 AM

27. Most Americans have chosen a side, thinking it was like a football game . . .

 

They were all excitedly cheering, "Go moderate rebels! Go moderate rebels!"

And then this happens?

It's very jarring for some people when supposedly settled issues get confusing.

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Response to another_liberal (Reply #27)

Sun Sep 14, 2014, 06:59 PM

52. Not just the average American.

The problem is that the Powers that Be, such as the presidents, congress, and the military especially, also seem to think of this in terms of a damn football game. And they think that these are all backwards, stupid, ignorant people.

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Response to Hulk (Reply #6)

Sun Sep 14, 2014, 08:03 AM

25. "We'll quit fighting them, if they'll quit fighting us, so we can both concentrate on fighting Assad

and THEN we can begin killing each other again once we have defeated Assad."

Well said. That is a tried-and-true strategy. It is exactly the same strategy that Assad and ISIS have employed until last month. They agreed not to attack each other so they could both concentrate on fighting the other rebel groups; and THEN Assad's and ISIS begin killing each other once they have defeated the other rebel groups.

Nothing new under the sun.

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Sat Sep 13, 2014, 04:55 PM

8. Birds of a feather....

 

I see no difference between really really violent jihadis and just a little violent jihadis. They are all intolerant and misogynists. Shoot them all.

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Response to cosmicone (Reply #8)

Sun Sep 14, 2014, 09:36 AM

31. Or

Just leave their lands. If you don't like your neighbors, don't hang out with them. While I don't share their view of the world, I don't have the time, energy, resources or inclination to "shoot them all" over it.

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Sat Sep 13, 2014, 04:56 PM

9. Just ask John McCain

 

He's good buddies with both factions.

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Sat Sep 13, 2014, 05:09 PM

11. Best not to get involved with these Syrian rebel groups, at least not too closely.

They cannot be trusted.

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Response to JDPriestly (Reply #11)

Sun Sep 14, 2014, 09:38 AM

32. Who can you trust in this?

None of the involved parties have any credibility and yes, that includes our own government.

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Response to JDPriestly (Reply #11)

Sun Sep 14, 2014, 04:18 PM

47. Really!

We've do it several times and the results have been disastrous. I think by now, everyone in the ME hates us except Israel, and I have my counts about them.

No good can come from arming and training these people.

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Sat Sep 13, 2014, 05:20 PM

12. Wouldn't you know it. Assad and ISIS cancel their tacit alliance in August then

this happens in September. Mr. Assad can't be very happy at the moment.

If, and it a big if at this point, this report is true and actually holds, he will have to search for another strategy. For many months, he did not attack ISIS just the other rebel groups and ISIS focused on fighting the other Syrian rebels rather than Assad's forces. That made Bashar very happy.

Then in August ISIS threatened then captured his last military base in the north, effectively canceling their "I won't attack you if you don't attack me" agreement. Now this.

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Response to pampango (Reply #12)

Sun Sep 14, 2014, 10:57 AM

40. "Tacit alliance"?

 

Congratulations! You managed to get all the bad guys in bed with each other. It only took a little twisting and forcing.

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Sat Sep 13, 2014, 06:21 PM

15. ISIS/ISIL Is One of The MODERATE Rebels

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favored my McCain and the nutcases.

Question for the Anti-Assad partisans in the US. What would you say if somebody was sending arms and money to rebels trying to overthrow the US government?

Wolf

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Response to Wolf Frankula (Reply #15)

Sat Sep 13, 2014, 06:31 PM

17. Exactly.

 

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Sat Sep 13, 2014, 06:41 PM

18. Are the good rebels now aligned with the bad rebels?

If so, does that mean the good ones are now bad, or the bad ones are now good?

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Response to daleo (Reply #18)

Sun Sep 14, 2014, 10:59 AM

42. The whole business is too confusing.

 

We should just cancel the war in Syria on the grounds that "WTF?"

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Response to candelista (Reply #42)

Sun Sep 14, 2014, 06:15 PM

49. You realize that's not happening, right?

 

The MIC much prefers "The whole business is too confusing. We should just take all comers."

It sells more planes, guns and bombs. Priority #1 is always to sell more planes, guns and bombs.

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Response to Chan790 (Reply #49)

Sun Sep 14, 2014, 08:15 PM

53. You're wrong about the "top priority."

 

It's oil. Planes, guns and bombs are #2.

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Response to daleo (Reply #18)

Sun Sep 14, 2014, 11:15 AM

44. If the "good" rebels are aligned with the "bad" ones, they weren't so good in the first place

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Sat Sep 13, 2014, 07:23 PM

21. Good, maybe they can celebrate together and we can kill two birds with one stone

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Response to George II (Reply #21)

Sun Sep 14, 2014, 09:02 AM

30. Are we supporting President Assad now?

 

You know, by attacking both of his worst domestic enemies?

That is a new strategy.

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Response to another_liberal (Reply #30)

Sun Sep 14, 2014, 09:58 AM

35. Do you remember WWII?

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Response to George II (Reply #35)

Sun Sep 14, 2014, 10:14 AM

36. Not personally, no . . .

 

How do you think that conflict applies here.

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Response to another_liberal (Reply #36)

Sun Sep 14, 2014, 10:57 AM

41. In order to defeat a threat to the civilized world, and a common enemy....

....we allied ourselves with the Soviet Union.

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Response to George II (Reply #41)

Sun Sep 14, 2014, 11:02 AM

43. So Assad = Hitler, and ISIS = the Red Army?

 

Or Assad = Stalin, and ISIS = the Wehrmacht?

Please explain.

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Response to George II (Reply #21)

Sun Sep 14, 2014, 09:39 AM

33. YEAH!

Kill kill kill kill kill kill kill kill! Woooooooooo HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!! Fun and profitable! WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!

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Response to tazkcmo (Reply #33)

Sun Sep 14, 2014, 06:16 PM

50. Yee-haw!! n/t

 

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Sun Sep 14, 2014, 02:32 AM

23. kick

 

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Sun Sep 14, 2014, 08:32 AM

26. Sec. Kerry just got the rug pulled out from under his feet.

 

I wonder if he's hit the floor yet?

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Response to another_liberal (Reply #26)

Sun Sep 14, 2014, 10:45 AM

38. Exactly.

 

I hope the stage hands have a mattress for him to fall on.

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Sun Sep 14, 2014, 04:33 PM

48. And then ISIS beheaded a journalist the next day?

That would be a strange way of cooperating with the FSA. The distinct impression I'm left with is that there are too many chefs in the press room.

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Sun Sep 14, 2014, 06:32 PM

51. give peace a chance

 

their common enemy is first priority

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Mon Sep 15, 2014, 01:50 AM

57. Did anyone consult John McCain on this FFS?.....this'll make him look like a real douche, oh , wait,

never mind.

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