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Thu Jun 19, 2014, 02:32 PM

WikiLeaks Reveals Global Trade Deal Kept More Secret Than the Trans-Pacific Partnership

Source: Truthout

The whistleblower and transparency website WikiLeaks published on Thursday the secret draft text of the Trade in Services Agreement (TISA), a controversial global trade agreement promoted by the United States and European Union that covers 50 countries and is opposed by global trade unions and anti-globalization activists.

Activists expect the TISA deal to promote privatization of public services in countries across the globe, and WikiLeaks said the secrecy surrounding the trade negotiations exceeds that of even the controversial Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement (TPPA) that has made headlines in the past year.

Demonstrations erupted in Geneva in April as diplomats met in secret for the sixth round of negotiations over TISA, which would cover international trade in a wide range of service industries ranging from finance and telecommunications to transportation and even local utilities such as water. Protesters demanded that the draft text be released, but it has remained secret until now.

Public Services International (PSI), a global trade union federating public service workers in 150 countries, has reported that TISA threatens to allow multinational corporations to permanently privatize vital public services such as healthcare and transportation in countries across the world.

Read more: http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/24486-wikileaks-tisa-global-trade-deal-kept-more-secret-than-the-trans-pacific-partnership

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Reply WikiLeaks Reveals Global Trade Deal Kept More Secret Than the Trans-Pacific Partnership (Original post)
Joe Shlabotnik Jun 2014 OP
Uncle Joe Jun 2014 #1
Plucketeer Jun 2014 #2
Earth_First Jun 2014 #10
elzenmahn Jun 2014 #3
alsame Jun 2014 #4
Jack Rabbit Jun 2014 #6
BrotherIvan Jun 2014 #33
pscot Jun 2014 #41
BrotherIvan Jun 2014 #47
beerandjesus Jun 2014 #42
Jack Rabbit Jun 2014 #5
pa28 Jun 2014 #7
lark Jun 2014 #8
Jefferson23 Jun 2014 #9
antigop Jun 2014 #11
pscot Jun 2014 #17
blkmusclmachine Jun 2014 #20
antigop Jun 2014 #26
awoke_in_2003 Jun 2014 #40
LuvNewcastle Jun 2014 #51
villager Jun 2014 #12
blkmusclmachine Jun 2014 #22
840high Jun 2014 #28
WillyT Jun 2014 #13
cantbeserious Jun 2014 #14
stuffmatters Jun 2014 #15
blkmusclmachine Jun 2014 #21
truedelphi Jun 2014 #44
pscot Jun 2014 #16
LuvNewcastle Jun 2014 #52
Trillo Jun 2014 #57
dixiegrrrrl Jun 2014 #18
merrily Jun 2014 #34
blkmusclmachine Jun 2014 #19
merrily Jun 2014 #35
JustinBulletin Jun 2014 #23
mike_c Jun 2014 #24
Joe Shlabotnik Jun 2014 #25
merrily Jun 2014 #36
Nihil Jun 2014 #37
truedelphi Jun 2014 #45
merrily Jun 2014 #50
LuvNewcastle Jun 2014 #53
merrily Jun 2014 #54
wildbilln864 Jun 2014 #27
Enthusiast Jun 2014 #29
historylovr Jun 2014 #30
arcane1 Jun 2014 #31
truedelphi Jun 2014 #46
nationalize the fed Jun 2014 #32
elias49 Jun 2014 #38
navarth Jun 2014 #43
TBF Jun 2014 #39
toby jo Jun 2014 #48
MFrohike Jun 2014 #49
wildbilln864 Jun 2014 #55
wildbilln864 Jun 2014 #56

Response to Joe Shlabotnik (Original post)

Thu Jun 19, 2014, 02:37 PM

1. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, Joe Shlabotnik.

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Response to Joe Shlabotnik (Original post)

Thu Jun 19, 2014, 02:41 PM

2. So....

 

The TPP was/is just the warm-up shaft for this one?

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Response to Plucketeer (Reply #2)

Thu Jun 19, 2014, 03:35 PM

10. ...or the bait and switch.

Once the general public became privy to TPPA, a splinter working group came up with TISA in order to work under the secrecy they prefer.

After the TISA exposure...what's next?

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Response to Joe Shlabotnik (Original post)

Thu Jun 19, 2014, 02:42 PM

3. K&R

...and any, ANY body who calls him/herself a "Democrat" does not deserve our support if he or she supports this bullshit-of-a-trade-deal, or anything else like it.

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Response to Joe Shlabotnik (Original post)

Thu Jun 19, 2014, 02:53 PM

4. At some point,

the 99% across the globe are going to have to put aside our differences and band together against the Masters of the Universe and their plans.

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Response to alsame (Reply #4)

Thu Jun 19, 2014, 03:01 PM

6. Once the Tea Party realize they've been manipulated by the Koch brothers, they'll be pretty pissed

Are you ready to make an alliance with them? It probably wouldn't be a permanent one, but we'll have to hammer out our differences after we save the planet from global warming "deniers" who just happen to have a stake in the extended future of fossil fuels.

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Response to Jack Rabbit (Reply #6)

Fri Jun 20, 2014, 01:42 AM

33. I don't think we have to make an alliance with the far right

They are a vocal minority. The "conservatives," and by that I mean traditionalists, maybe. That is a problem in many European countries, people who vote for conservatives because their parents did or they grew up in a certain area and they never questioned. But they don't have the large swaths of uneducated voters that we do as ignorance is not quite as celebrated. They also don't have the religion problem for the most part. I believe the way we have gotten this far is by listening to their caterwauling and then thinking they matter. They don't.

Liberal parties have gained majorities many times in Europe as well as here recently. The trouble is, the liberal politicians have sold out to finance and the corporations, and so they do not deliver on their promises. That leads to disillusionment and malaise. But that doesn't mean that most of the citizens do not agree on liberal ideas: they do. The first step is to realize the politicians and corps do not have our "best interests" at heart. In fact, they actively despise us. From that, all else follows.

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Response to BrotherIvan (Reply #33)

Fri Jun 20, 2014, 09:13 AM

41. We're a vocal minority

The politicians are afraid of the Tea Party. No one is afraid of Liberal Democrats.

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Response to pscot (Reply #41)

Fri Jun 20, 2014, 12:40 PM

47. I think we are a far too complacent but larger contingent

The tp does have the pukes running scared because they don't say "I'll vote for whomever is the nominee." That means you have no power and the party can do whatever it wants but will still get your vote. Liberals should have yanked the party to the left a long time ago, or at the very least learned the tactics of the tp, but they were enthralled by their politicians and, not being suspicious by nature, allowed themselves to be betrayed again and again.

But if the 99% are going to stand up and not walk sheepishly into the slaughterhouse (mesmerized by their cell phones) they are going to have to learn the lessons of Labor. They are going to have to unlearn the lies that have been fed to them. Liberals provide a solution to the corporate overreach of today. The far right that has been licking the boots of the "job creators" does not.

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Response to Jack Rabbit (Reply #6)

Fri Jun 20, 2014, 09:49 AM

42. Short answer: Yes.

I am ready to make that alliance. The baggers are right to be pissed, and they're pissed about a lot of the right things, they've just been manipulated very effectively by the Republicans (as, I dare say, many pissed-off liberals have been manipulated by the Democrats).

I'm happy to make an alliance that leads to the end of plutocracy. We can argue about abortion later.

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Response to Joe Shlabotnik (Original post)

Thu Jun 19, 2014, 02:56 PM

5. Thank you, Wikileaks

Robin Hood is online.

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Response to Joe Shlabotnik (Original post)

Thu Jun 19, 2014, 03:08 PM

7. Well, it's not a secret anymore. Thanks wikileaks!

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Response to Joe Shlabotnik (Original post)

Thu Jun 19, 2014, 03:29 PM

8. Now the whole world can have the same crappy medical care as the USA.

They would also have the same exorbitant expenses.

What progress!

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Response to Joe Shlabotnik (Original post)

Thu Jun 19, 2014, 03:31 PM

9. No words. K&R

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Response to Joe Shlabotnik (Original post)

Thu Jun 19, 2014, 03:45 PM

11. Is this what David Ignatius wrote about?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/david-ignatius-a-free-trade-agreement-with-europe/2012/12/05/7880b6b2-3f02-11e2-bca3-aadc9b7e29c5_story.html

Europeans seem relieved that Barack Obama won reelection. (One German official wrote in an informal paper that his victory was “the best thing that could have happened to the U.S.”) But Europeans remain worried that the Obama administration’s famous “pivot” toward Asia will leave them abandoned at a time of severe internal economic and political trouble.

But a big idea is taking shape that could revitalize the U.S.-European partnership for the 21st century. It was the talk of Berlin and Hamburg when I was there a week ago, and there’s a similar buzz in Washington. The idea is free trade — specifically, a trans-Atlantic free-trade agreement — which I’ll optimistically call “TAFTA.”

Secretary of State Hillary Clinton tipped the U.S. hand on Nov. 29 when she said at the Brookings Institution, “We are discussing possible negotiations with the European Union for a comprehensive agreement that would increase trade and spur growth on both sides of the Atlantic.” She noted the “long-standing barriers to trade and market access” that would have to be removed to make any such deal possible, such as the European Union’s protectionist agricultural rules.

Clinton is said to envision an “economic NATO” — a comprehensive agreement covering trade in goods, services, investment and agriculture. Indeed, a joint working group of U.S. and E.U. officials is about to release a final report arguing for such a comprehensive deal.

Curious as to whether Clinton’s speech was just window dressing from a departing secretary, I asked the White House this week whether the TAFTA talk is real. The answer was yes: Obama is considering making a trans-Atlantic trade initiative an important part of his second-term agenda. Combined with the North American Free Trade Agreement in Latin America and the ­Trans-Pacific Partnership in Asia, this could create a global trading system that might be an enduring part of Obama’s legacy.

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Response to antigop (Reply #11)

Thu Jun 19, 2014, 05:10 PM

17. Hillary in the Middle again

Do we really want this woman to be the next president of this country?

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Response to pscot (Reply #17)

Thu Jun 19, 2014, 05:32 PM

20. NO!

 

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Response to pscot (Reply #17)

Thu Jun 19, 2014, 06:18 PM

26. Hillary Clinton's Business Legacy at State Dept (leading part in drafting TPP)

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Response to pscot (Reply #17)

Fri Jun 20, 2014, 08:16 AM

40. they play both sides of the aisle

 

No matter who the candidate is they will support this.

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Response to pscot (Reply #17)

Sun Jun 22, 2014, 05:08 AM

51. Absolutely not.

I won't vote for her; I don't care if the Democrats nominate her.

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Response to Joe Shlabotnik (Original post)

Thu Jun 19, 2014, 03:59 PM

12. I "Hope" this isn't the only kind of "change" we can expect now...

 

...though that's sort of a rhetorical question, at this point

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Response to villager (Reply #12)

Thu Jun 19, 2014, 05:36 PM

22. Time to open our eyes and see the deception, D and R alike!

 

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Response to blkmusclmachine (Reply #22)

Thu Jun 19, 2014, 06:59 PM

28. My eyes are open - I feel very sad.

 

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Response to Joe Shlabotnik (Original post)

Thu Jun 19, 2014, 04:03 PM

13. K & R !!!

 


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Response to Joe Shlabotnik (Original post)

Thu Jun 19, 2014, 04:38 PM

14. K&R - Thank You For Sharing

eom

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Response to Joe Shlabotnik (Original post)

Thu Jun 19, 2014, 04:46 PM

15. Eliz Warren or Sherrod Brown 2016

Another anti democratic power grab by global corps with Hillary's fingerprints all over it.

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Response to stuffmatters (Reply #15)

Thu Jun 19, 2014, 05:34 PM

21. "...with Hillary's fingerprints all over it."

 

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Response to stuffmatters (Reply #15)

Fri Jun 20, 2014, 11:37 AM

44. ^^^^^^^^^^ !! n/t

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Response to Joe Shlabotnik (Original post)

Thu Jun 19, 2014, 05:08 PM

16. We're going to be run by an international board of directors

if this shit keeps up. Fucking Milo Minderbinder is taking over.

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Response to pscot (Reply #16)

Sun Jun 22, 2014, 05:27 AM

52. That's their goal.

Democracy is so inefficient, you know. Things will be running so much more smoothly when the job creators make all the decisions. It's their world, after all; they're just letting us work in it.

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Response to pscot (Reply #16)

Mon Jun 23, 2014, 09:17 AM

57. Future tense? NT

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Response to Joe Shlabotnik (Original post)

Thu Jun 19, 2014, 05:19 PM

18. " even local utilities such as water."

Water wars has been an open secret for a few years now.

The idea of making scads of money from jacked up water prices has been making Nestle's and other players drool, for a long time.

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Reply #18)

Fri Jun 20, 2014, 02:11 AM

34. Yep. Food and farmland an open secret, too. If they could privatize air, they would.

I meant for breathing, not for flying. Air for flying has always been privately owned.

Yet, we are not supposed to tax the rich more than the poor.

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Response to Joe Shlabotnik (Original post)

Thu Jun 19, 2014, 05:30 PM

19. TPP is/was just the distraction from what the 1% REALLY wants: Total Global Domination

 

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Response to blkmusclmachine (Reply #19)

Fri Jun 20, 2014, 02:12 AM

35. Meanwhile, they have us fighting with each other, while they hold hands.

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Response to Joe Shlabotnik (Original post)

Thu Jun 19, 2014, 05:40 PM

23. The little darlings just don't have enough....

They won't be happy until they control every drop of water on the planet because all of the oil, gas and minerals just is simply not enough for them. Next they'll find a way to privatize the air we breath.

Thanks for the heads up.

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Response to Joe Shlabotnik (Original post)

Thu Jun 19, 2014, 05:40 PM

24. why is our government so bent on keeping its actions secret from us...?

What are they trying to hide from us?

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Response to mike_c (Reply #24)

Thu Jun 19, 2014, 05:49 PM

25. All of the governments involved have kept this secret from their people.

Just goes to demonstrate the international solidarity of the ruling class.

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Response to mike_c (Reply #24)

Fri Jun 20, 2014, 02:16 AM

36. They are keeping their actions secret because they are trying to hide their actions from us.

Republicans are not ratting out Democrats on these things, or vice versa.

And Pelosi and Boehner just held hands to tell Obama he did not need to ask Congress for approval to send troops to Iraq (just like no one needed Congress for the Vietnam "Era" or the Korean "Police Action." What is left of the Constitution, I wonder?

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Response to merrily (Reply #36)

Fri Jun 20, 2014, 06:57 AM

37. Not a lot ...

 

> What is left of the Constitution, I wonder?

... just an old mouldering manuscript in a glass coffin, kept as a museum piece
to remind people how naiive the common herd really are.

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Response to Nihil (Reply #37)

Fri Jun 20, 2014, 11:39 AM

45. US Constitution not even mentioned in any court proceedings

Not even when it is the ONLY thing that could save us:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5114000

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Response to Nihil (Reply #37)

Sun Jun 22, 2014, 04:43 AM

50. The Framers feared the common herd almost as much as any dictatorial monarch did.

That is obvious from the notes of the secret meetings of the Framers while they were deciding how the government should be structured. And they really allowed the common herd a vote only on House members. Everything else, including who the Senators were, was either by vote of Congress or by vote of state legislature. Hence, the Senate got more powers than did the "elected by the rabble" House.

http://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/yates.asp

And who knows what was deliberately left out of even the notes of the secret meetings? They, of all people, would have been careful about what they put in writing. I've read minutes of meetings that I've attended and noted the "sanitization" of the minutes, as compared with the actual meeting.

For that matter, why were the Framers even holding secret meetings about the Constitution?

Forgive my rant. I am just weary of Framer worship.

We're so damned brainwashed!

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Response to merrily (Reply #36)

Sun Jun 22, 2014, 05:39 AM

53. Every time I ask myself that question, I think of the barn wall in "Animal Farm."

All sorts of things in the Constitution have been crossed out and words added in spots, just like they were on that barn wall. In the end, the people we elected to enforce the Constitution are sitting around a table in the Manor House and you can't tell the pigs from the men.

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Response to LuvNewcastle (Reply #53)

Sun Jun 22, 2014, 05:46 AM

54. "If you have nothing nice to say,

come sit next to me." Alice Roosevelt Longworth (daughter of Teddy).

Or words to that effect.

I am among the recently disillusioned. You sound as though you may have been disillusioned before I was.

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Response to Joe Shlabotnik (Original post)

Thu Jun 19, 2014, 06:47 PM

27. k& r! n/t

 

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Response to Joe Shlabotnik (Original post)

Thu Jun 19, 2014, 07:54 PM

29. If it's secret it can't be good for the working class.

Fuck this globalization bullshit.

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Response to Joe Shlabotnik (Original post)

Thu Jun 19, 2014, 08:26 PM

30. K & R

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Response to Joe Shlabotnik (Original post)

Thu Jun 19, 2014, 09:35 PM

31. "and even local utilities such as water." Here it comes...

 

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Response to arcane1 (Reply #31)

Fri Jun 20, 2014, 11:41 AM

46. Oh brother. That is one scary thought.

Right now, it is all about the water.

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Response to Joe Shlabotnik (Original post)

Fri Jun 20, 2014, 07:32 AM

38. Darn whistle-blowers!

 

If not for them, we could all live in blissful ignorance.

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Response to elias49 (Reply #38)

Fri Jun 20, 2014, 11:02 AM

43. This.

I expect to see posts from the anti-wikileaks anti-Assange brigade soon.

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Response to Joe Shlabotnik (Original post)

Fri Jun 20, 2014, 07:43 AM

39. K&R nt

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Response to Joe Shlabotnik (Original post)

Fri Jun 20, 2014, 12:47 PM

48. oh geez people.

 

Can we stick 'the sky is falling' schtick back in its' can and just think about it?

I've listened to people wail over a 'global religion', but, aren't we one people? They've wailed over a global monetary system, but, it's a good idea.

The planet is reorganizing itself. Not a biggie. Calm down. We're one race, we're one big thinking organism and it's natural to become increasingly organized over time. Maybe there will be one world court system down the road, with allowances for local ordinances. Maybe we'll have a better food distribution system and education system. I'm into sharing what's there.

When you think about it, the lines of demarcation that are largely still tribal can easily be changed over into a different world view where the needs and talents of the world's people are more easily interchanged. Sort of a global nation with various states. I'm for it. We'll deal with the assholes as they rise up. The monied may become more empowered, yes, but so will we. It's a shift. And it could be a good one. One of the biggest assets may well be the end of war. You don't go to 'war' with your brother whose working habits and lifestyles are held in the common view as acceptable.

Good work, wikileaks. Keep em coming.

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Response to toby jo (Reply #48)

Fri Jun 20, 2014, 10:09 PM

49. Um what?

The article isn't about a global government, it's about neutering the ability of national governments to regulate finance. Also, even if it were about a global government, no empire has ever ended war. Wars simply get renamed "uprisings" or "rebellions."

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Response to Joe Shlabotnik (Original post)

Sun Jun 22, 2014, 08:42 AM

55. kick!

 

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Response to Joe Shlabotnik (Original post)

Sun Jun 22, 2014, 09:04 AM

56. a quote:

 

""The TransPacific Partnership is labelled as a "free trade" magic elixir that will cure all ills - Jobs! Prosperity! World Peace! - but in fact it's a toxic brew that weakens the American body politic and the Constitution. And when you look at how it came about you see that those are design features, not bugs.

The historical record is clear: what are misleadingly called "free trade agreements" were never really about trade. Their goal is to render independent nation states null and void, and hand power over to unaccountable, transnational corporatist authorities."

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