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20score

(4,769 posts)
Sat Jun 7, 2014, 05:40 PM Jun 2014

SS songs and antisemitism: the week Golden Dawn turned openly Nazi

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Source: The Guardian

It has been a bad week for democracy in Athens. All around this great Greek city, the politics of hate now lurk. On Friday I got a taste of it in the tiny Italian-style cafe I frequent off Syntagma Square.

It arrived in the form of two middle-aged men, both supporters of the neo-fascist Golden Dawn – and, by their own account, the holders of university degrees, well-travelled and well-informed. Over espressos, they began to engage in an animated discussion about all that is wrong with Greece.

The first, a self-described businessman decked out in designer suit, brogues and silk tie, blamed the country's economic collapse on malfeasance, corruption and uncontrolled immigration. "The only way to teach our filthy politicians is to bring in Golden Dawn," he trilled, his eyes locked in a fierce glare. "These gentlemen are patriots, proud Greek nationalists, and they know how to deal with the scum, the foreigners who never pay taxes, who steal our jobs, who have taken over our streets."

Dismissing charges that Golden Dawn is a criminal gang masquerading as a political group, the second – a self-described government employee – said the far right was the best response yet to the great Jewish conspiracy of an interconnected banking system that has come with globalisation. "Let's not forget all the faggots and the Jews, the wankers who control the banks, the foreigners who are behind them, who came in and fucked Greece," he insisted. "The criminals who have governed us, who have robbed us of our future, of our dreams, need a big thwack."

Read more: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jun/07/greece-golden-dawn-fascism-threat-to-democracy



Nazis anywhere, especially when gaining political power, are a threat to freedom, conscience and the safety of many people. I don't know what the answer is, except that like anything more complicated then a drink of water, there needs to be more than one answer; more than one way to fight them.
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SS songs and antisemitism: the week Golden Dawn turned openly Nazi (Original Post) 20score Jun 2014 OP
They are a truly horrible party/gang LeftishBrit Jun 2014 #1
These Nazis need to be confronted in the streets with violence. Enthusiast Jun 2014 #2
Hate is all the same, calling themselves Nazi's is their way to gain street cred, when mockery Fred Sanders Jun 2014 #3
It's always some 'other' with right-wingers canuckledragger Jun 2014 #4
Treason Should Be Punished With Hanging Wolf Frankula Jun 2014 #5
This is terrible news. Very important though. suede1 Jun 2014 #6
This message was self-deleted by its author LeftishBrit Jun 2014 #7
wait iamthebandfanman Jun 2014 #8
20score Diclotican Jun 2014 #9
Must've been some in this dump too. dipsydoodle Jun 2014 #11
I thought GD was already openly Nazi Jack Rabbit Jun 2014 #10
Angela Merkel must be so proud MFrohike Jun 2014 #12
Really good article, but it is not breaking news OKNancy Jun 2014 #13

LeftishBrit

(41,205 posts)
1. They are a truly horrible party/gang
Sat Jun 7, 2014, 05:42 PM
Jun 2014

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
2. These Nazis need to be confronted in the streets with violence.
Sat Jun 7, 2014, 05:50 PM
Jun 2014

Freedom loving citizens need to demonstrate their love of freedom by busting some skulls.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
3. Hate is all the same, calling themselves Nazi's is their way to gain street cred, when mockery
Sat Jun 7, 2014, 05:53 PM
Jun 2014

is all the cred they deserve.

canuckledragger

(1,636 posts)
4. It's always some 'other' with right-wingers
Sat Jun 7, 2014, 05:58 PM
Jun 2014

I'll repeat that .

It's ALWAYS some 'other' with right-wingers...always someone else they blame all their problems on instead of looking at themselves.

Wolf Frankula

(3,600 posts)
5. Treason Should Be Punished With Hanging
Sat Jun 7, 2014, 06:03 PM
Jun 2014

Germany invaded Greece in 1941. By singing SS songs and adhering to Naziism, the Golden Dawn are showing that they are enemies to Greece. They should be hanged as traitors.

Wolf

suede1

(892 posts)
6. This is terrible news. Very important though.
Sat Jun 7, 2014, 06:39 PM
Jun 2014

Whatever it takes to stop them.

Response to 20score (Original post)

iamthebandfanman

(8,127 posts)
8. wait
Sat Jun 7, 2014, 06:42 PM
Jun 2014

they werent already openly nazis?!
thats kinda news to me

Btw, they are becoming popular because they promote unity for certain people and point the finger at others to blame..

that formula has worked for a lot of movements over the years

and since the left hasnt been nearly as organized since the cold war...

Diclotican

(5,095 posts)
9. 20score
Sat Jun 7, 2014, 06:52 PM
Jun 2014

20score

This is scary - as nazism of old was horrible, and destroyed the continent - and all of the "Old order" - and also because Greece have a violent bloody history when it came to nazism in their own country.. The Germans occupied Greece - as part of their Balkan campaign before going east to the Soviet Union somewhere later in 1941 - and the occupying of Greece was horrible bloody and violent - with ten of thousands of people being slaughtered and murdered by Whermact and specially SS.. Other ten of thousands was starving true the whole war - and specially the last year of the war - was rather horrible - where divisions of SS was wrecking havoc with greece - and where also the communist restiranse fighter did its share to make things worse than it was already - the conservative Resistance groups who also a lot to make things worse than it already was...

And then Greece even have the Civil war after WW2 who did more damage to anyone in Greece.....

Goden Dawn have always been suspicious from where I stand - I have always had a ugly feeling about it from when it was first known - and I guess my gut feeling is right - it is a neo-fascistic group/party, who is doing the same playbook as the old ones back in the days.. Even if The Golden Dawn might not be as solid as NSDAP was - it is pretty clear what they want to do.... From their own words I would say...

I do hope Greece would be able to muster enough power to not let this parties go unchallenged - if they do - they might end up in the presidential building - or in the government - and good know how much devastating they can do - before they are stopped... Hitler destroyed a whole continent before he was finished in 1945....

Diclotican

dipsydoodle

(42,239 posts)
11. Must've been some in this dump too.
Sat Jun 7, 2014, 07:01 PM
Jun 2014

14th Waffen Grenadier Division of the SS (1st Ukrainian)

The 14th Waffen Grenadier Division of the SS (1st Ukrainian) (German: 14. Waffen Grenadier Division der SS (galizische Nr.1), prior to 1944 titled the 14th SS-Volunteer Division "Galician" (German: 14. SS-Freiwilligen Division "Galizien&quot [1] was a World War II German military formation initially made up of volunteers from the region of Galicia with a Ukrainian ethnic background[2] but later also incorporated Slovaks, Czechs[2][3] and Dutch volunteers and officers.[4] Formed in 1943, it was largely destroyed in the battle of Brody, reformed, and saw action in Slovakia, Yugoslavia and Austria before being renamed the first division of the Ukrainian National Army and surrendering to the Western Allies by 10 May 1945.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/14th_Waffen_Grenadier_Division_of_the_SS_%281st_Ukrainian%29

Jack Rabbit

(45,984 posts)
10. I thought GD was already openly Nazi
Sat Jun 7, 2014, 06:53 PM
Jun 2014

Whatever, I agree with the OP, Nazis are always a threat to freedom.

An uncomfortable hard choice we might have to make in the not too distant future is whether to make an uneasy alliance with these reprobates in order to bring down corporate fascists, who are the greater danger at present. If it doesn't mean the difference between bringing the Koch brothers to their knees and living in a world we are told to live with poverty, pollution and fracking, then the matter is moot. If it does make a difference, then we must make clear that we welcome real people of all colors and creeds to our cause ant that we won't agree to sell out our brothers and sisters to get them on board.

MFrohike

(1,980 posts)
12. Angela Merkel must be so proud
Sat Jun 7, 2014, 07:02 PM
Jun 2014

This is the result of worshipping at the altar of infallible finance.

OKNancy

(41,832 posts)
13. Really good article, but it is not breaking news
Sat Jun 7, 2014, 07:03 PM
Jun 2014

This is a commentary/analysis article. Please re-post in GD or Good reads.

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