Fri May 16, 2014, 02:35 PM

William769 (52,908 posts)

Putin Claims 'Gay Nazis' Behind Ukrainian Unrest

Source: The Advocate

A U.S.-based Russia scholar contends that Vladimir Putin is looking to galvanize support for Russian rule in Ukraine by linking ultranationalist, neo-Nazi values and support for LGBT equality, which Putin frequently laments as a Western phenomenon.

Matthew Schmidt, an assistant professor of national security and political science at the University of Connecticut who holds an MA in Russian studies, told Raycom News Network that Putin has positioned himself as a defender of "traditional values" in his propaganda war with the West," going so far as to claim that "gay Nazis" were responsible for the initial uprising in Kiev, when pro-Ukrainian demonstrators took to the street to oppose the since-deposed pro-Russian regime.

"The gay Nazis label was simultaneously an attempt to tie the new pro-Europe camp in Kiev to the hated German Third Reich while also taking advantage of the growing acceptance of gay marriage in the West, particularly in the United States," reports Raycom.

Massachusetts-based evangelical preacher and noted homophobe Scott Lively — whose most notorious book claims that the Nazi Party was run by gay men — made the same argument Putin advanced in March, asserting that gay people were responsible for the crisis in Ukraine.

Read more: http://www.advocate.com/world/2014/05/16/putin-claims-gay-nazis-behind-ukrainian-unrest

The Russian president takes a page out of a notorious antigay American evangelical's playbook and claims that gay people are the cause of the current conflict in Ukraine.

The power the LGBT community wields. Who would have thought!

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Putin Claims 'Gay Nazis' Behind Ukrainian Unrest (Original post)	William769	May 2014	OP
Starting to sound like a Mel Brooks movie.	hobbit709	May 2014	#1
Exactly.	geardaddy	May 2014	#6
LOL	NewJeffCT	May 2014	#48
Gay Nazis? Deserves a showtune or two	lunasun	May 2014	#69
Springtime for Russia, and Vlaaaa-deee-mir!	MADem	May 2014	#76
Vladimir Elizabeth Putin!	AnnieBW	May 2014	#78
Sound crazy like a movie. Unfortunately, in Putins world people are embolden to hurt/kill others	Sunlei	May 2014	#101
Ah yes, the gay Nazis. Along with the Jewish nazis and the gypsy nazis, no doubt. (n/t)	thesquanderer	May 2014	#2
That makes literally no sense. /nt	Ash_F	May 2014	#3
Vladimir hasn't been making sense for quite some time now. nt	MADem	May 2014	#80
It well could be early dementia! n/t	RKP5637	May 2014	#102
Wouldn't surprise me....	MADem	May 2014	#109
Odd claim	dipsydoodle	May 2014	#4
I call BS. Does Ukraine have new anti-gay laws like Russia's? Do Ukrainian leaders use gays as...	uhnope	May 2014	#10
Their intent to pass such a law	dipsydoodle	May 2014	#12
I can live with intent over actuality.	William769	May 2014	#15
Wait, it didn't pass?	joshcryer	May 2014	#20
I doubt this guy cares about the anti-gay law not passing.	former9thward	May 2014	#55
Well with the law in Russia we got this	William769	May 2014	#56
Russia state sanctions that.	joshcryer	May 2014	#64
Actually no, its not.	former9thward	May 2014	#82
No, but Ukraine is progressing, Russia is regressing.	joshcryer	May 2014	#84
Ukraine legalized homoseuality in 1991, Russia in 1993.	former9thward	May 2014	#86
Russia is passing the laws and cracking down.	joshcryer	May 2014	#88
Could you provide a link to your deportation claim?	go west young man	May 2014	#111
Easy.	joshcryer	May 2014	#128
From your own link:	go west young man	May 2014	#131
Here's the one I was thinking of:	joshcryer	May 2014	#135
From your own link: He was not deported.	go west young man	May 2014	#136
They were banned for 3 years.	joshcryer	May 2014	#138
Josh, your spinning...you claimed something which I disproved twice.....	go west young man	May 2014	#142
So they were banned, but not deported.	joshcryer	May 2014	#146
Ah some truth.	go west young man	May 2014	#147
Up is down.	joshcryer	May 2014	#149
And deportation is not deportation.	go west young man	May 2014	#150
War is peace.	joshcryer	May 2014	#151
Kindler, gentler haters who wear New Balance, Nike & NYY caps instead of jackboots and	24601	May 2014	#106
That picture is from Kiev.	former9thward	May 2014	#107
My tribute to Putin was because the overall thread was about him. His diminished incluence in	24601	May 2014	#108
Because he wants it to be so. Ukraine has to be worse than good ol Russia to	Cha	May 2014	#91
Yeah but Che, you foisted that they were 'even more extreme' which is not really the case	Bluenorthwest	May 2014	#35
Actually there is a draft law ready now in Kyiv. The only thing keeping it from passing	newthinking	May 2014	#71
I don't think they are More extreme.. I'd say less	OKNancy	May 2014	#22
The last bit	dipsydoodle	May 2014	#24
I'm sure they're open to all kinds of fun activities.	go west young man	May 2014	#73
Does he not know the Nazis killed thousands of gays?	CanonRay	May 2014	#5
Neither are his supporters.	William769	May 2014	#7
..	Cha	May 2014	#92
He is taking a cue from our right wing...	awoke_in_2003	May 2014	#67
This coming from the guy who is always having his picture taken without a shirt on	Freddie Stubbs	May 2014	#8
And gets a body wax	Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin	May 2014	#112
Oh brother...	geardaddy	May 2014	#9
Wow, talking about jumping the shark....	blackspade	May 2014	#11
So now Scott Lively is advising Putin, too?	HuckleB	May 2014	#13
I had not seen that. Thanks!	William769	May 2014	#18
It is a good one!	HuckleB	May 2014	#26
Putin is as ignorant as the tea party. Doesn't he know how many gay persons dies in concentration	jwirr	May 2014	#14
Nah, he ain't ignorant...	awoke_in_2003	May 2014	#68
It's the same in any language...	theHandpuppet	May 2014	#16
Message auto-removed	Name removed	May 2014	#17
Scott Lively Appears To Be A Key Source In Creating This Fiction	HuckleB	May 2014	#27
Message auto-removed	Name removed	May 2014	#29
appearently the wrong university, right State though.	William769	May 2014	#31
What happened to his posts?	HuckleB	May 2014	#41
He was deemded to be a troll and removed.	William769	May 2014	#43
Message auto-removed	Name removed	May 2014	#44
Welcome to DU.	HuckleB	May 2014	#47
Twin set.	William769	May 2014	#52
Oh, goodness.	HuckleB	May 2014	#59
To serve and protect.	William769	May 2014	#60
Ah, I wondered if that was the deal.	HuckleB	May 2014	#46
William this is a long recurring theme.	joshcryer	May 2014	#19
Exactly, josh.	Cha	May 2014	#93
"Those guys are gay nazis!"	iamthebandfanman	May 2014	#21
"I hate gay Ukranian Nazis"	edbermac	May 2014	#23
HA HA. Gays cause hurricanes, tornadoes, earthquakes, floods, droughts, fires, tsunamis, cancer,	blkmusclmachine	May 2014	#25
I don't know where they find the time, what with ruining all those straight marriage as well.	alarimer	May 2014	#66
What about Nazi Werewolves?	Renew Deal	May 2014	#28
Who knew that Vladimir Vladimirovich is a gay Nazi?	Jack Rabbit	May 2014	#30
Pretty sure I saw that movie.	Brickbat	May 2014	#32
It's funny how the Russia Boosters of DU like to say that to criticize Putin's hate speech is a form	Bluenorthwest	May 2014	#33
I know what thread your talking about!	William769	May 2014	#34
As usual I am deeply amused at how lumberingly bad they are at the whole thing	Bluenorthwest	May 2014	#37
what's up with that anyway?	OKNancy	May 2014	#53
"yes" to both your opinions. For whatever reason, they miss the cold war I guess	7962	May 2014	#70
Enjoy this parade.....	go west young man	May 2014	#81
Are you claiming those are the Gay Nazis mentioned in the article?	Behind the Aegis	May 2014	#83
Are you claiming that I am claiming that?	go west young man	May 2014	#110
Are you unaware of the title of the thread and the video you posted?	Behind the Aegis	May 2014	#119
Actually we do have something to agree upon here....	go west young man	May 2014	#121
Speaking out against homophobia is never a waste of time.	Behind the Aegis	May 2014	#132
No matter what the cause....speaking out only matters if	go west young man	May 2014	#133
Speaking out against homophobia is never a waste of time.	Behind the Aegis	May 2014	#134
Homophobia is the symptom of a larger problem....	go west young man	May 2014	#137
Speaking out against homophobia is never a waste of time.	Behind the Aegis	May 2014	#139
Hetrophobia, Russophobia and a couple other choice one's.	William769	May 2014	#140
You're pro equal rights...	NuclearDem	May 2014	#122
some of the Old Left were blinded USSR apologists in the 50s 60s 70s on	uhnope	May 2014	#116
Could you link to some examples?	uhnope	May 2014	#114
That and saying that Obama is the big bad wolf	davidpdx	May 2014	#98
He Forgot	Fred Gilmore	May 2014	#36
That's another topic, this topic is about Putin's hateful, ignorant, backward bigotry	Bluenorthwest	May 2014	#39
Dang Man	Fred Gilmore	May 2014	#40
It's about Putin calling gay people Nazis.	Bluenorthwest	May 2014	#45
Finally, my lifelong fear of the Gay Nazi threat has been validated.	Comrade Grumpy	May 2014	#38
DUzy!	theHandpuppet	May 2014	#42
I'm waiting for Gay Nazi Zombies	NewJeffCT	May 2014	#49
100,000; 50,000; 15,000; 60%	theHandpuppet	May 2014	#50
No one is big enough to stop me.	William769	May 2014	#51
No surprise that Putin's being a lousy jerkass hypocrite.	AverageJoe90	May 2014	#54
Putin and Lively...	sheshe2	May 2014	#57
Putin & Lively sitting in a tree H-A-T-E-F-U-L	William769	May 2014	#58
May they both be damned to hell.	sheshe2	May 2014	#62
Yikes! That idiot spent the early '90s pushing anti-gay ugliness in Oregon.	HuckleB	May 2014	#117
kr	uhnope	May 2014	#61
The SNL sketch writes itself	KinMd	May 2014	#63
"Gay Nazis."	Mr. Evil	May 2014	#65
And they're probably Jews too. Nothing more dangerous than gay jewish Nazis	7962	May 2014	#72
Yup!	Behind the Aegis	May 2014	#74
Is it really your Birthday, BtA?	sheshe2	May 2014	#120
It is. 45!	Behind the Aegis	May 2014	#124
LOL! You are still a baby~	sheshe2	May 2014	#125
This doesn't surprise me.	Behind the Aegis	May 2014	#75
"Nor does the pathetic defense I am seeing in this thread or the misdirection"..	Cha	May 2014	#94
I have some right wing relatives who have recently declared admiration for Putin.	dgauss	May 2014	#77
They might like this.. or not..	Cha	May 2014	#95
Oh, Vladdie...	politicat	May 2014	#79
Undoubtedly in conjunction with the socialist-fascists too.	Fearless	May 2014	#85
So someone is claiming that Putin said something stupid.......	DeSwiss	May 2014	#87
Good point. I searched too and everything led back to the quote you referenced.	dgauss	May 2014	#89
It's not that I put anything past any pol......	DeSwiss	May 2014	#90
Your mistake is attempting to define an international community along your petty nationalist	Bluenorthwest	May 2014	#97
Mahalo for this William.. I get so disgusted with	Cha	May 2014	#96
Gay Nazi Uprising is a good band name	Burma Jones	May 2014	#99
Putin claims? or did that RW USA anti-gay group that had meetings in Russia last year say that hate	Sunlei	May 2014	#100
They are a nasty bunch	davidpdx	May 2014	#103
At least it's not the oriental negroes!	Turbineguy	May 2014	#104
Same Old Shit, just different times, different names. Putin is using tactics of the past, seek out	RKP5637	May 2014	#105
incredibly thin story	Enrique	May 2014	#113
Interesting that this newest propaganda doesn't actually provide proof	go west young man	May 2014	#115
Not only that.....	DeSwiss	May 2014	#123
This supposed quote	jamzrockz	May 2014	#141
Gay Nazis...Are these like the commie-Nazis?	fujiyama	May 2014	#118
Kick!	sheshe2	May 2014	#126
Fighting gay Nazis in the U.S.	mississippi62	May 2014	#127
Wow, they think we are behind everything they don't like.	Jamastiene	May 2014	#129
the solution	mississippi62	May 2014	#130
Hearsay connection to President Putin . . .	another_liberal	May 2014	#143
Leave Putin alone!!...	SidDithers	May 2014	#144
Leave him anyway you want . . .	another_liberal	May 2014	#145
It's amazing, isn't it??? nt	msanthrope	May 2014	#148

Response to William769 (Original post)

Fri May 16, 2014, 02:35 PM

hobbit709 (41,694 posts)

Putin Claims 'Gay Nazis' Behind Ukrainian Unrest

1. Starting to sound like a Mel Brooks movie.

6. Exactly.

48. LOL

69. Gay Nazis? Deserves a showtune or two

76. Springtime for Russia, and Vlaaaa-deee-mir!

78. Vladimir Elizabeth Putin!

101. Sound crazy like a movie. Unfortunately, in Putins world people are embolden to hurt/kill others

2. Ah yes, the gay Nazis. Along with the Jewish nazis and the gypsy nazis, no doubt. (n/t)

3. That makes literally no sense. /nt

80. Vladimir hasn't been making sense for quite some time now. nt

102. It well could be early dementia! n/t

109. Wouldn't surprise me....

4. Odd claim

10. I call BS. Does Ukraine have new anti-gay laws like Russia's? Do Ukrainian leaders use gays as...

12. Their intent to pass such a law

15. I can live with intent over actuality.

20. Wait, it didn't pass?

55. I doubt this guy cares about the anti-gay law not passing.

56. Well with the law in Russia we got this

64. Russia state sanctions that.

82. Actually no, its not.

84. No, but Ukraine is progressing, Russia is regressing.

86. Ukraine legalized homoseuality in 1991, Russia in 1993.

88. Russia is passing the laws and cracking down.

111. Could you provide a link to your deportation claim?

128. Easy.

131. From your own link:

135. Here's the one I was thinking of:

136. From your own link: He was not deported.

138. They were banned for 3 years.

142. Josh, your spinning...you claimed something which I disproved twice.....

146. So they were banned, but not deported.

147. Ah some truth.

149. Up is down.

150. And deportation is not deportation.

151. War is peace.

106. Kindler, gentler haters who wear New Balance, Nike & NYY caps instead of jackboots and

107. That picture is from Kiev.

108. My tribute to Putin was because the overall thread was about him. His diminished incluence in

91. Because he wants it to be so. Ukraine has to be worse than good ol Russia to

35. Yeah but Che, you foisted that they were 'even more extreme' which is not really the case

71. Actually there is a draft law ready now in Kyiv. The only thing keeping it from passing

22. I don't think they are More extreme.. I'd say less

24. The last bit

73. I'm sure they're open to all kinds of fun activities.

5. Does he not know the Nazis killed thousands of gays?

7. Neither are his supporters.

92. ..

67. He is taking a cue from our right wing...

8. This coming from the guy who is always having his picture taken without a shirt on

112. And gets a body wax

9. Oh brother...

11. Wow, talking about jumping the shark....

13. So now Scott Lively is advising Putin, too?

18. I had not seen that. Thanks!

26. It is a good one!

14. Putin is as ignorant as the tea party. Doesn't he know how many gay persons dies in concentration

68. Nah, he ain't ignorant...

16. It's the same in any language...

27. Scott Lively Appears To Be A Key Source In Creating This Fiction

31. appearently the wrong university, right State though.

41. What happened to his posts?

43. He was deemded to be a troll and removed.

47. Welcome to DU.

52. Twin set.

59. Oh, goodness.

60. To serve and protect.

46. Ah, I wondered if that was the deal.

19. William this is a long recurring theme.

93. Exactly, josh.

21. "Those guys are gay nazis!"

23. "I hate gay Ukranian Nazis"

25. HA HA. Gays cause hurricanes, tornadoes, earthquakes, floods, droughts, fires, tsunamis, cancer,

66. I don't know where they find the time, what with ruining all those straight marriage as well.

28. What about Nazi Werewolves?

30. Who knew that Vladimir Vladimirovich is a gay Nazi?

32. Pretty sure I saw that movie.

33. It's funny how the Russia Boosters of DU like to say that to criticize Putin's hate speech is a form

34. I know what thread your talking about!