Bill introduced to regulate men's reproductive health

[mackattack]

Source: Dayton Daily News (Ohio)

COLUMBUS – Before getting a prescription for Viagra or other erectile dysfunction drugs, men would have to see a sex therapist, receive a cardiac stress test and get a notarized affidavit signed by a sexual partner affirming impotency, if state Sen. Nina Turner has her way.

The Cleveland Democrat introduced Senate Bill 307 this week.

A critic of efforts to restrict abortion and contraception for women, Turner says she is concerned about men’s reproductive health. Turner’s bill joins a trend of female lawmakers submitting bills regulating men’s health. Turner said if state policymakers want to legislate women’s health choices through measures such as House Bill 125, known as the “Heartbeat bill,” they should also be able to legislate men’s reproductive health. Ohio anti-abortion advocates say the two can’t be compared.

Read more: http://www.daytondailynews.com/news/dayton-news/bill-introduced-to-regulate-mens-reproductive-health-1341547.html

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I wonder how far this will go.

[kestrel91316]

1. This needs to be introduced in all 50 states. Hell, it needs to be

a Constitutional amendment.

[bluestateguy]

2. What about delayed ejaculation?

Men need to know that too. Viagra can get you hard, but it won't necessarily help you, er, finish the job.

[DocMac]

7. There is always tomorrow. lol

[Xipe Totec]

17. That can be a good thing....

[Pachamama]

46. Actually, the boys fear being labeled as "Pre-mature Ejaculators" -Maybe they should be asked about

...that for their medical records and confirmed or denied by sexual partners before being allowed to get Viagra.....

[Control-Z]

67. It can, in fact,

delay that part of the act...for hours and hours. Makes a three minute run desirable.

[calimary]

3. We love men! We want to help them make the "right" decisions.

We're trying to help men, here.

I mean, isn't that the kind of crap they spew at us with their vaginal probe abominations? I think we should answer every vaginal probe and related legislation with a rectal one. Bill for bill. Tailored, of course, to fit the circumstances and to correspond to the level of invasiveness of the legislatively specified or suggested ultrasound.

Sauce for the goose? Sauce for the gander, too.

[greymattermom]

6. love it

especially the rectal probe part. Make the probe just the right shape too.

[swimboy]

58. Your post deserves a Rec!

[hedgehog]

4. This bill is incomplete as long as it doesn't require a graphic

description (preferably dvd) of emergency treatment for priapism.

[csziggy]

13. Make sure they have illustrations of fully erect penises versus the flaccid ones that need ED drugs

If I were to produce a video for that use, I would find video of that porn star renowned for his generous endowment to use as the example of the erect member. After all, shouldn't all men expect to be as gifted as he was at the height of his performances, especially once they get pharmaceutical assistance?

[crunch60]

39. Yea, sort of like before and after photos.

[dixiegrrrrl]

62. Yes, indeed.

Send Ms. Turner a reminder of than, eh?

[teewrex]

5. the two can't be compared? How do they think women get pregnant? Immaculate conception?

[DocMac]

12. No! You have a wet dream

and your partner rolls over on it and Whhhoola....because i've heard they can swim in sheets.

[onehandle]

8. Dag nabit you uppity wimmens. Get outta our pants! nt

[leftofcool]

15. LOL

[polichick]

9. Yep - two can play this game...

GO NINA!

[davidpdx]

10. ED drugs should be treated like elective surgery

and not covered by insurance.

Here in China you can get them for cheap (Not that I know directly, but indirectly. I wouldn't risk taking that crap, but one of my coworkers does. I keep telling him it's dangerous. He won't listen though)
.

[mwooldri]

60. Under my insurance plan through work - it is treated that way.

ED drugs are not covered under my insurance plan, as are a good number of cosmetic procedures. Though with the ED drugs I could still go through the prescription drug program and pay the discounted rate... just my employer/insurance won't pay a penny towards it.

Birth control is covered covered - though I wish it was considered a preventive treatment. Our employer covers some generic drugs as preventive medication and there's a $0 payment on these medications, no deductibles, no copays.

[davidpdx]

80. I can tell you places to get both cheap ED meds and cosmetic procedures...Asia

One of my co-workers gets ED meds here in China and South Korea has so many plastic surgeons per capita it's actually pretty sad. This comes from my experience living in both countries and talking to people I know.

[Iliyah]

11. Male enhancement drugs

should only be used if a man wants to have a baby, no excuse otherwise, and if used for other proposes let say for pleasure, and if proven, spend jail time with monetary sanctions.

Fair is fair.

[teewrex]

22. It's okay for men to have sex for pleasure but

If you're a female you only enjoy it if you are a slut or a prostitute.

[Starcruiser]

27. Hold on a second, it's a matter of life and death for men

Mens prostates will dry up causing premature death if regular ejackulation isn't part of their wellness program...Thus the need for women. Woman on the otherhand, only need an endless supply of white wine to stay alive.

[dixiegrrrrl]

63. uhhhhhhh...not all people have opposite sex partners, ya know.

[seabeyond]

75. not without a ring. oh

and i mean a wedding ring. and if mate is over birthing age, no viagra

[Thinkingabout]

14. Let there be a congressional committee of all female congress members and only females to testify.

Perhaps we could get a qualified list of male performers. If your ne is not on the list guess to will wait for your next life.

[Thinkingabout]

16. Forgot to add, this law would only apply to Republican Conserative Males.

[Paper Roses]

18. What is good for the goose is good for the gander.

This gave me the best laugh of the evening.

[Xipe Totec]

20. It's time for the gander to take a gander at the issue from the goose's perspective. nt

[pangaia]

31. goose gander vs gander goose

May I make a small correction. Since women were attacked first, perhaps it should be-- "What is good for the gander is good for the goose." God, it's late.. Am I still up? :&gt ))) zzzzzzz

[Orrex]

19. They should hold hearings with a bunch o' dames

No need to have men speak on the subject, just like women didn't need a voice in the contraception discussion.

[kag]

50. Great idea!

And if they insist on being pouty about it and holding their own hearing where one of the gigolos insists on testifying, perhaps Rush could attack him for a week and lose the OTHER half of his advertisers. (A girl can dream.)

[Guilded Lilly]

21. "Ohio anti-abortion advocates say the two can’t be compared."...

Ohhhhh yesss they can.

And hopefully every single state with a bill trying to insinuate that women cannot think for themselves when it comes to their own reproductive health will bring up this bill...and more.

Do not let up. (so to speak)

By the way...we women are eternally grateful to all the intelligent men out there that support intelligent women and choice!

[Xipe Totec]

23. And do forgive us for our enlightened self interest...

[DeSwiss]

24. No, no, no!!!

Not enough Senator Turner. What this bill needs is a Cystoscopy requirement. That'll teach 'em about going around messin' with women's health! Believe me, I know from whence I speak!



- They. Do. Not. Want. This.

K&R

[Rosa Luxemburg]

55. That looks frightening!

that will certainly teach those congressmen

[DeSwiss]

68. Believe me.......

...it's every bit as frightening IRL.

And unlike the joker at Wikipedia who wrote in describing the procedure: ''Diagnostic cystoscopy is usually carried out with local anesthesia.'' I say BS!! They tried that with me JUST ONCE. After that they had to give me a general anesthetic to knock me completely out.

- YOW!

[daleo]

25. What's good for the goose...

Or that gander in this case.

[DesertRat]

33. Absolutely

[robinlynne]

26. oh yes!!!!!!

[lib_wit_it]

28. In a similar vein, I think all liberals working in positions to prescribe or fill a prescription

for Viagra should start loudly promising to refuse to do so, on moral grounds, if the Blunt amendment passes.

[Pachamama]

47. Loud Applause......

[BlancheSplanchnik]

72. That's right! We don't know if the Viagra is being requested

because the client wishes to cheat on his spouse. Or perhaps he plans to have TEHGAY sex!!! Can't allow sinning in the face of GAWD, now can we? Or perhaps the man wants Viagra for a vacay planned to the Dominican Republic....

NO!! I will NOT be forced to go against my CHRISTIAN morals; I will NOT be forced by THEGUBMINT to allow such sins against GAWD and my personal hatreds er, uh control issues relationship with CHRIST.

[krispos42]

29. And they need to undergo a rectal sonogram of their naughty bits as well.

Sounds fair to me.

[Kennah]

34. Let's not say naughty bits. Let's say tallywhacker.

[Bohunk68]

40. Blast from the past

Heard it called that by a Warrant Officer in Sex Ed class while in Boot Camp at Great Lakes in 1961.

[mackattack]

42. Navy?

[Bohunk68]

71. yup

[Kennah]

79. I pulled it from Porky's, no pun intended

[Tumbulu]

30. I hope it keeps going and that legislation like this

gets introduced in every state that decides that it can dictate women's health.

[CherylK]

54. +1

[deacon]

32. k/r

[tech_smythe]

35. I'm honestly torn about this IDEA

the bill itself makes the draconian bullshit the right put up look friendly.

I don't really object to medical checks for the usual causes of ED, but really... a partner's testimony?

Overall I find this kind of revenge bill as insulting as I find the attempts to limit women's health!

But go ahead, have your fun at our expense. I suppose we men deserve it.

[treestar]

70. I don't think they intend to try to pass it

They are making a point that is difficult to get through some thick heads. This is what it would look like.

[zentrum]

36. And besides...

Viagra is against my religious beliefs. And I'm sure I can find some quote in the bible can be twisted into supporting my position.

[cherokeeprogressive]

37. The bill won't go very far. Needing a notarized affidavit violates a whole shitload of privacy laws

This bill openly and forcefully states that men aren't entitled to the same privacy other medical patients are. It makes a point of destroying doctor/patient confidentiality.

Sec. 4731.45. As used in this section, "physician" means an individual authorized under this chapter to practice medicine and surgery or osteopathic medicine and surgery.

(B) Prior to issuing a prescription for a drug intended to treat symptoms of erectile dysfunction, a physician shall do all of the following:

(1) Obtain from the patient a notarized affidavit in which at least one of the patient's sexual partners certifies that the patient has experienced symptoms of erectile dysfunction in the ninety days preceding the date on the affidavit;

(2) Refer the patient to a sexual therapist approved by the state medical board for an assessment of the possible causes of the patient's symptoms of erectile dysfunction and obtain a written report in which the therapist concludes that the patient's symptoms are not solely attributable to one or more psychological conditions;

Section (B)(1) violates everything I know about HIPPA laws.

I think it's bullshit. She says she's "concerned about men's reproductive health". I say if she's so concerned, she should introduce a bill making it possible for men to get free condoms from their health insurers, and if they don't have health insurance, the government should provide them free of charge. Since condoms help prevent the spread of STDs, this sounds like a move someone who is "concerned about men's reproductive health" could reasonably make.

So here we have a lawmaker introducing bills NOT to improve the state of her state, but to prove a point. Way to go Nina.

Side note... if not having the right toothpaste causes my dentist bill to go through the roof and my health to suffer, why doesn't my insurer or someone else have to provide free toothpaste for me?

[FlaGranny]

41. It's about time men learn about lack of privacy.

"This bill openly and forcefully states that men aren't entitled to the same privacy other medical patients are. It makes a point of destroying doctor/patient confidentiality." Yes, I guess it would insure that female and male alike would have no medical privacy, except maybe prepubescent children.

It won't hurt the guys (much) to go through some of the same crap that women do every day. In the unlikely event that such a bill would actually pass, it would put men on an equal footing with women as far as state-mandated medical procedures. Otherwise, in these states women will continue to be second-class citizens, "probed by the state" at will.

These retaliative bills illustrate perfectly the absurdity of the Republican bills. I love them.

[TorchTheWitch]

43. you don't need a doctor's prescription for condoms or toothpaste

Nor the appointment with a doctor for the work up and exam in order to get that prescription.

You may have noticed that the assault on women bill only applies to the birth control pill (whether used for birth control or not) and not all the other various over-the-counter birth control methods like condoms (guess what, women buy them, too! - these days we're not only expected to take the pregnancy risk but pay for it ourselves as well), and various other spermicides whether used in conjunction with a diaphram or not. And that's because they already aren't covered by insurance because they don't require a doctor's prescription nor the doctor's visit in order for the doctor to write the prescription. Women have already been paying out of pocket for over-the-counter birth control all the way along just as men have with buying condoms.

And PRIVACY laws??? Seriously??? Since Roe v. Wade that made it law that a woman can have an abortion if she wants one do you have ANY idea how many subsequent laws have been passed to BUTCHER that privacy in EVERY state??? The amount of humiliating and expensive privacy invading hoops that have to be jumped through are an outrage. Three or more day forced wait times (because us wimmins are so dumb we don't REALLY know if we want an abortion or not), forced lectures and BULLYING to "choose life" (because us wimmins are so dumb we don't REALLY know that being pregnant means you're going to have a baby), and on and on and now these grotesque ultrasound bills on top of everything else whether an invasive legal rape or a worthless non-invasive ultrasound that is not capable of detecting a pregnancy in the first place for the VAST majority of abortion seakers. Nevermind that Roe v. Wade was passed based on the PRIVACY of a woman's choice between her and her doctor. And let's not forget the utterly foul miscarriage laws when in the VAST majority of those cases the pregnancy was WANTED not to mention the other utterly foul "partial birth" abortion bill that made no provision for the health of the mother but not even her LIFE when that's the ONLY reason for them, and those pregnancies are WANTED.

And what about vasectomies that every single health insurance company pays for with no humiliating and invasive non-medical and expensive hoop jumping complete with wait times, forced lectures and bullying that nobody bats an eyelash at??? Is it possibly because nobody is all "concerned" that them mens is so dumb they have not a clue what a vasectomy does and need to be forced to wait for a few days to try to wrap their silly empty little heads around it and lectured and non-medically invaded and bullied because the sperm is so sacred? Or could it possibly be that nobody is the slightest bit interested in controlling the lives of MEN?

And since you brought up this supposed unfairness of men having to buy condoms (if they feel like it - it's not like THEY have to worry about getting pregnant), how about all the female reproductive issues stuff that women have to buy out-of-pocket compared to men. Raise your hands, guys, and let us know how much money you've spent out-of-pocket on maxi-pads, tampons, spermicides, pregnancy tests, ovulation tests, yeast infection preparations, douches, vaginal odor eliminators, pain meds/heating pads/muscle relaxers for cramps, other meds for bloating, other meds for PMS symptoms, lost time at work for your reproductive monthly suffering, etc., etc.

Just TRY crying the blues about how men should be getting "free" condoms. When any man's out-of-pocket expenses for dealing with their reproductive issues comes anywhere in the same universe as a woman's THEN you can start crying.

[Pachamama]

49. FYI on privacy - my husband needed a note signed by me for his Vasectomy....

I was shocked by that....in fact I remember seeing that before he got the surgery and was very bothered by it....because I felt that he should have reproductive control of his own body, just like I should.

But dont go off about right off privacy....thats clearly not an issue here....Besides, anybody that really believes they have "privacy" in their medical records or other aspects of their life is a dreamer....

[dixiegrrrrl]

64. A medical release takes care of HIPPA laws.

[secondwind]

38. The last sentence is very revealing.......

"Ohio anti-abortion advocates say the two can’t be compared."


This is what it is really all about, folks.

[Surya Gayatri]

44. Sen. Nina Turner, you are a hero!

Effective women legislators like this need to be encouraged by the DNC to try for higher office ! SG

[Doremus]

53. She is our senator and she is definitely going places.

If you want to get pumped up about something, just listen to her speak. When she takes the podium, people are on their feet in short order. A real firebrand.

[ejpoeta]

45. it's a shame this won't get anywhere. men control every legislative

body. and men can think for themselves.... just not us women. I am glad to see the pushback.

[Pachamama]

48. Time to change that legislative bodies are controlled by men....

....as well as their attempts to control ours.....

Recommend the movie "MissRepresentation"......excellent movie by Jennifer Siebel Newsom about the objectification of women in media and culture and how we arent equally represented.

[ejpoeta]

81. i did see it. it has opened my eyes for sure to things I hadn't even considered.

I have three daughters and I want them to have choices and opportunities. I have raised them to be smart girls who think about more than boys. Liking boys is fine... but I tell them all the time that any boy who doesn't like you the way you are isn't worth your time.

[CountAllVotes]

51. Vasectomy + Viagra

Last edited Sun Mar 11, 2012, 01:11 PM - Edit history (1)

The two "V's" should fix-em up!

[LuckyLib]

52. "Heartbeat bill sponsor Rep. Lynn Wachtmann, R-Napoleon, said comparing his bill to Turner’s would

be like comparing apples to bananas." Bwa-a-a-a-a! These Republicans just write it themselves. If they weren't real, no one would believe it. I want to see every state legislature addressing a bill such as this. (No men need participate in the discussion, however!)

[WcoastO]

56. This is just silly.

The GOP is busy hanging themselves with the "rope" of the contraception issue. Bills like this, introduced to make a point, are really a distraction for the easily distracted media and a large percentage of the citizenry. Go after the GOP and their overt efforts to send us back to the 50's (or earlier). For goodness sake, let them keep painting themselves into a corner on this issue and use every misogynistic quote against them in the upcoming election. They're already below 50% w/ women.

[ElboRuum]

57. I really don't know how to feel about this...

I mean, on one hand, I get the point. Yes, of course, you make the "tit for tat" argument, which is fine.

But one of the things I see that the Republicans are doing by making hay out of the contraception "issue" is making themselves look like buffoons. The more they keep it up, the more they damage their standing with the general electorate, again pandering to the "base".

I fear that this sort of nonsense bill, while certainly an eye-opener, introduces the clowning buffoonery to our side of the issue. Personally, and as a voter, I've had it with nonsense politics and am not really interested in "making a statement" as much as I'm interested in "making good policy".

[dixiegrrrrl]

65. First you have to get their attention....

and this does that, nicely.

[seabeyond]

76. for all of us women offended, it feels damn good. i want to hear lots and lots of noise

and i will feel even better.

[ElboRuum]

77. Well that's good, I suppose.

I just hope we don't continue circus politics in perpetuity as a result. The national political stage is already a damned freakshow and while its reality TV nature may be entertaining to some, I personally have gotten a little tired of waiting for good policy to come from any of it.

[valerief]

59. Should the men prove they're married and that their spouse approves of the Viagra? nt

[tech_smythe]

66. what about gay partners?

One problem with this is the automatic assumption that all relationships are straight.
they aren't
While I agree with the sentiment behind this bill, and even agree with it, I find the bill itself to be bullshit, and I thought our side was better than this.

as far as BC goes, most women i've ever known have been on BC since they were like 14 or younger because of bad periods, and the need to control their cycle. you know, actual medical reasons!

[valerief]

74. According to the people who want to block women's health rights, being gay isn't even an option. nt

[dixiegrrrrl]

61. Of COURSE the 2 can be compared.

Nina Turner ( ironic name, eh?) just compared them!!!!

[Deuteros]

69. Just the facts

Men have reproductive rights??? When did that happen?

Frankly, this bill could pass and most people would never know or care. The few men who might object will be to embarrassed to speak out anyway.

I should get more information on the subject of mens healthcare. Let me check the governments mens health orginizations fro information

www.menshealth.gov seems to be down at the moment, www.womenshealth.gov is up though

I'll check some other government agencies.

I'll check the national institutes of health offices of mens health http://ormh.od.nih.gov/ hmm, seems to be down as well, at least the http://orwh.od.nih.gov/ site is up.

How about the FDA, they have http://www.fda.gov/ForConsumers/byAudience/ForWomen/default.htm surely in the interests of fairness there should be a corresponding http://www.fda.gov/ForConsumers/byAudience/ForMen/default.htm page, shouldn't there? I guess not.

hey it even has it's own domain www.fda.gov/womens let's check out www.fda.gov/mens hmm page not found, seems to be a disturbing trend.

I got those links fro the dept of labor, which has data stating that around 93% of workplaces deaths are men. Hmm, Men are dying much earlier than women, let's find some scientific studies to show there is a GENETIC rather than Sociological reason for this. Sorry I can't find ANY studies that show that there is any genetic reason for early male deaths vs female. Oddly the statistics for male vs female life expectancy in 1900 have men and women living about the same number of years, I wonder what has happened to change this so drasticly? The data already excludes war deaths.

How about the CDC?

www.cdc.gov/women/

www.cdc.gov/women/ BINGO! I got one!!! I guess ignoring half the population would be grossly negligent for the CDC. I wonder why so many other government run taxpayer funded organizations display such a blatant discriminatory bias?

The 2'nd leading cause of death for both men and women is cancer. %22.1 for women and %24.3 for men %3.2 higher rate for men, yet womens specific cancer programs get funded at a much higher rate then mens.

Prostate cancer is the second leading cause of cancer death in American men, behind only lung cancer. About 1 man in 36 will die of prostate cancer.

NCI Issues Cancer Trends Progress Report: 2009/2010 Update

This list of common cancer types includes cancers that are diagnosed with the greatest frequency in the United States, excluding nonmelanoma skin cancers: Cancer incidence and mortality statistics reported by the American Cancer Society1 and other resources were used to create the list. To qualify as a common cancer for the list, the estimated annual incidence for 2012 had to be 40,000 cases or more.

The most common type of cancer on the list is prostate cancer, with more than 240,000 new cases expected in the United States in 2012

Amount spent by the US government (not including many other special programs funding breast cancer research!) in 2010
Breast cancer 631.2
Prostate Cancer 300.5

So frankly, a bill prohibiting funding of a male specific illness is nothing new and probably wont make the headlines at all.



Sorry for all the facts.

[GliderGuider]

73. Did anyone else hear that whooshing noise? nt

[HeiressofBickworth]

78. It will never pass

Most states' legislatures are majority Male. And, as all males believe, they have a God Given Right to an Erection. Women have no God Given Rights to anything, not even their own bodies.