Pope Says Abortion Evidence of 'Throwaway Culture'

[DonViejo]

Source: ASSOCIATED PRESS

VATICAN CITY January 13, 2014 (AP)

By NICOLE WINFIELD Associated Press

Pope Francis on Monday criticized abortion as evidence of a "throwaway culture" that wastes people as well as food, saying such a mentality is a threat to world peace.

Francis also urged better respect for migrants and denounced the persecution of Christians in Asia, Africa and the Middle East in his global survey of world crises delivered to diplomats accredited to the Holy See. Saying hunger is a threat to world peace, he noted that not only food but human beings themselves are often discarded as unnecessary.

"We cannot be indifferent to those suffering from hunger, especially children, when we think of how much food is wasted every day in many parts of the world immersed in what I have often termed 'the throwaway culture,'" Francis said.

That culture, he said, also affects the unborn child.

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Read more: http://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/pope-abortion-evidence-throwaway-culture-21510890

[randome]

1. It's a fair point to be made in a vacuum. But it's never that simplistic.

Until the church agrees that women are to be treated as equals in all ways, it should make no statements regarding culture.
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[Beacool]

2. I wouldn't expect him to say anything different on that point.

Although I'm strongly pro choice, I understand that abortion goes against most Christian Churches' teachings (not just Catholics). I may not agree with this belief, but I respect it.

[MellowDem]

47. Why would you respect a viewpoint based on

Bigotry and misogyny? Is it because religion gets a pass?

[cosmicone]

3. I'd like him to support contraception based upon that logic n/t

[JaneyVee]

4. Then why is there a recipe for abortion in the bible?

[Vashta Nerada]

5. He's against contraception and abortion.

Which is weird because one can definitely stop the other.

[warrant46]

9. Chained to an evil doctrine when it applies to women

These evil little troll like men, want to subjugate and control women.

[Arugula Latte]

41. They disgust me.

And so do the Pope Slobberers on this board.

[warrant46]

49. Yes there are a number of them

Its an evil business, hiding behind superstition, dogma and pomp.

Especially the Pomp of the Ceremony

[lostincalifornia]

12. Not if your twisted view is that contraception is abortion, which is what the church believes. It

is scientifically wrong, because contraception actually prevents conception as you said, but a group of old men who persecuted Galileo and scientific thought for hundreds of years points to a culture of ignorance

[jeff47]

31. That's the story. But really

they want more Catholics. Easiest way to get them is larger families. So, no birth control or abortion for Catholic women so that they pump out more Catholics.

[lostincalifornia]

36. Except they are trying to impose anti-contraception on non-Catholics also, which is problematic

[jeff47]

37. Of course. Otherwise it exposes the real story.

If they said it only applies to Catholic women, then it would be far more obvious what they are up to. And thus far less effective.

So they have to push no contraception for everyone to maintain the story.

[cprise]

6. Rapid population increase was here way before consumerism

I don't see any point to the pope's charm offensive if women are still treated like incubators; the poor and the environment will still suffer needlessly as a result of the Catholic Church's policies.

[Tom Ripley]

7. I would think that an unwanted newborn in a dumpster would more be evidence of throwaway culture

[MyNameGoesHere]

8. Ha. Hook, line, and sinker.

He managed to hook some nice sucker fish and now he can start the normal party line assault. I wasn't fooled, it looked like a fishing expedition from the start.

[leftynyc]

17. Not sure what you're babbling about

I don't know many people that are all good or all bad when it comes to policy positions. It's quite possible to agree with the Pope on his opinions of capitalism and also disagree when it comes to choice. Only the simpleminded consider the world black and white.

[MyNameGoesHere]

19. You have no idea what I am "babbling" about yet write

three sentences in direct response. I am wondering if you got hooked with the "new guy same as the old guy" fish hook? Now do you know what I am "babbling" about?

[leftynyc]

22. Nope (n/t)

[theHandpuppet]

25. I do

I thought your post was pretty clear, and I agree.

[MyNameGoesHere]

29. I could counter one point

using things like babbling and simple minded already proved my point. You got caught and now you don't know how to spit the hook out. Sorry, the filleting that is coming won't be any more pleasant for you. If you survive the scaling process that is.

[leftynyc]

35. Huh

You make less and less sense with every post. If you think you are capable of doing anything other than amusing me, bring it on.

[MyNameGoesHere]

38. Of course I make less sense

Some things require more than a black and white explanation. By the way you jumped on this ride, you seem to want to go for the ride, so hang on while I let out some more line and a tasty worm.

[jeff47]

39. No, I'm thinking this is about as far as can be done

while still using complete sentences that are not utter gibberish.

Tip: If multiple people miss your point on a message board, it's not them. It's your post.

[MyNameGoesHere]

43. Multiple people being two?

I could counter that there are at least two people that have limited intelligence, which I didn't. Your analysis is lacking.

[jeff47]

44. Well, you could

Or you could be self-aware enough to realize that isn't the problem.

Your call.

On the other hand, some people think it's a good idea to be clear when discussing a position on a message board.

[leftynyc]

42. Yawn

You've already bored me to distraction.

[lostincalifornia]

10. The problem is how does this relate to rape, incest, the life of the mother, severe birth

defects, and even contraception which the church regards as abortion.

It is an archaic view, by a bunch of old men who believe that sex is a sin.

[CTyankee]

13. except when they are having it themselves...

[PeaceNikki]

26. Or... *GASP* a woman's autonomy.

Perish the thought.

[jeff47]

32. It's about money and power.

The church wants more Catholics because that gets them more money and more power. It's a lot easier to keep Catholics born into the religion than to be appealing enough to convert adults.

So they ban birth control and abortion so that Catholic women pump out more Catholics.

[Dawson Leery]

40. +1

[onehandle]

11. Some here will totally ignore the 2nd and 3rd paragraphs.

And view this as nothing more than a dogmatic statement.

[uriel1972]

14. Gilded excrement is still excrement...nt

[trotsky]

15. Because any serious effort to address poverty MUST also include contraception.

The pope's blind devotion to outdated, unrealistic, rigid, woman-hating dogma hurts, not helps.

[onehandle]

18. Discussion of the roots of problems foments change. Even in dogma. nt

[trotsky]

20. OK, you let me know when that dogma changes. n/t

[MellowDem]

48. He's not addressing the root of the problem...

Indeed, his viewpoints worsen the problem

[Bluenorthwest]

24. Well some here insist that his anti choice and anti gay rantings don't matter at all because

he says 'poor' from his private jet.

[broadcaster75201]

16. Has he advocated the Church sell all it has and give it to the poor yet?

Until then he can piss off. Nothing good should be said about him or that criminal enterprise they cal a "church". His statements about Capitalism, etc are nothing but window dressing on a house of disaster.

[snooper2]

21. This guy sure does yap a bunch

Did previous holy pontiff dudes talk this much or is this one just getting more attention?


Dude chill out and read a science book or something LOL. Maybe watch a few episodes of "Beyond the Wormhole" with Morgan Freeman to learn how "creation" really happened

[DonViejo]

34. Yes, they did yap as much as Francis...

sometimes the media reported it, other times they didn't. BTW, the RCC has no problem with evolution, the bottom line (for the Church) is "G-d caused it."

[Lithos]

23. I can only guess his views on Masturbation then...

n/t

[underpants]

27. First rule of Fight Club

Throwaway culture was a main theme of the book

[ehrnst]

28. Using women's bodies against their will, for breeding or anything else

is evidence of a misogynistic culture.

[libodem]

30. I like the new Pope but.....

He is WRONG. It's a barbaric lack of family planning and BIRTH CONTROL.


People are going to have sex married or not. Look at your own priests... and all those poor little kids. If you can't stop priests from molesting how can you expect married couples from failing at the ridiculous rhythm method.


Wake the fuck up Your Holiness.

[efhmc]

33. The usual 2000+ year antifemale position. The ones who are being thrown away here

are the "blessed wombs", the term which describes how a woman is useful to the church. Women in the view of the RCC are here to produce more men to rule them, the church, the earth, but unfortunately without that "blessed womb" it's not going to happen.

[LiberalFighter]

45. Is it a throw away culture if there is less abortion than in the past?

[blkmusclmachine]

46. Pope, clean up your own house FIRST!

Stop protecting your pedophile priests.

[warrant46]

50. They need to pay the jury set Monetary Judgements to their child victims

Rather than filing Chapter 11 Bankruptcy in an attempt to discharge the damages for their Sodomy and Rapes of Children

[Lint Head]

51. Supposedly God aborted babies and had some murdered because they did not have

lambs blood over the door in the Old Testament. Then all the people on the earth were murdered by a flood but Noah. I'm corn fused.

[PassingFancy]

52. Even though this pope says some good things,

he, as well as the right wing Christo's, still believe that women should be subservient incubator slaves. It's all about controlling women. I may like this Pope a whole lot; but, I absolutely hate anyone's views regarding birth control and abortion when they want both to be illegal.

[Warpy]

53. I guess he's happy with women being thrown away

The man needs to realize a few things. First, papal infallibility might extend to church doctrine and how many angels can dance on the head of the pin, it doesn't extend to real life decisions that women have to make. They are uniquely unqualified to comment on these decisions.

Second, Aristotle was a fool about many things and his homunculus theory of human reproduction is a prime example of how silly men are when they step outside their own area of expertise. It's time to discard it from church doctrine.

Third, the final basis for the doctrine against abortion was kicked out from under it when the church declared Limbo defunct, that unbaptized babies went right to heaven. You'd think they'd want to force abortion because of that.

Fourth, it's not a baby until it's born and takes that first breath. Until then, it's a fetus and subject to the life and the decisions of the person whose body it's parasiting off. Women retain full civil rights, pregnant or not, simply because we are human beings and despite all the stupid, restrictive laws that get passed by sour men.

Fifth, the world has changed. There are now over seven billion of us straining every resource the planet has to offer. We are fast running out of potable water and food is next. There is no reason to continue pronatalist policies anywhere.

The church has already lost the baby race. The only way to convince people to follow it is to grow up and our of that "no girlz alowd" mindset. Otherwise, we'll keep leaving.

[Notafraidtoo]

54. since their is a abortion procedure..

Since their is a abortion procedure in the bible in the book of numbers, (in fact god tells Moses how it is to be done) to say abortion is a new thing is either naive or dishonest.

Women and children were property of their fathers and husbands in the bible and were treated as such, If another man beat on your wife and she miscarried than he paid a fine to the husband, the only women treated kindly in the old testament were widows and that's because they could not own property and no one would or could marry them there for if you were not kind to them they would likely starve.

Children and women could be killed by their fathers and husbands with out punishment only progress put a stop to this in most country's.

So to say we are the throw away culture is laughable, the world is far more compassionate than it has ever been and is getting slowly more compassionate with each passing day and if religion wasn't used so easily as a tool for tyrants maybe we could speed up this process a bit.

[progressoid]

55. Hey Frank...

fuck off.