House votes 230-189 to fund government, defund ObamaCare

[flpoljunkie]

Source: The Hill

House votes 230-189 to fund government, defund ObamaCare
By Pete Kasperowicz - 09/20/13 11:21 AM ET

The House on Friday passed legislation that defunds ObamaCare but would keep the government running through mid-December.

The legislation was approved on a party line 230-189 vote, with Rep. Scott Rigel (Va.) the only GOP no vote. Two Democrats voted for the measure, Reps. Jim Matheson (Utah) and Mike McIntyre (N.C.).

Passage of the bill sets up a showdown with the Senate, and moves the two sides closer to a possible government shutdown on Oct. 1.

The ObamaCare language is expected to be stripped from the bill in the Senate, setting up a critical week of negotiations next week. House Republicans have cancelled a planned recess to return to Washington Wednesday, and their leaders have warned the House could be in next weekend.

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Read more: http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/house/323629-house-votes-230-189-to-fund-government-defund-obamacare

[sharp_stick]

1. A showdown with the Senate

what absolute bullshit language on the part of the writer. The Senate's going to do exactly what they said they would do, strip out the stupid inane garbage and send it back to Boehner and his group of 12 year olds.

Obama's had a pretty rough run over the last few weeks, nice to see the GOP helping him out here.

[Xipe Totec]

2. The brainless confronting the feckless. nt

[PatrynXX]

23. what show down in the senate

there isn't one. at least not on this

there is one every time the vote doesn't get to 60

[kardonb]

47. 12 year olds ?

2 year olds with a temper tantrum ! They need to be put in the time-out corner till thy come to their senses , and then take anger-management courses .

[Turbineguy]

3. So therefore

it will be the Senate and the President who shut down the government. Sort of like a child abuser who says: "you've made me be mean!"

[Swede Atlanta]

26. No, it is not the Senate and President shutting down the government.....

It is virtually unprecedented that a continuing resolution to fund the government is conditioned on stripping funding for a program based on a law duly enacted by the Congress (both Houses), signed by the President and adjudicated by the Supreme Court.

This will go nowhere and if the government is shut down and seniors don't get their SS checks, veterans don't get their benefits, doctors and hospitals stop treating Medicare patients, etc. the blame will be on the Republicans in the House that conditioned operation of the government on stripping funding for the law of the land.

They have tried desperately for the past number of years to overturn the law. The House has voted on this something like 40 times. They knew the Senate wouldn't even take up the bill and that the President would veto anyway with little change of a 2/3 majority override vote in both houses. This has cost the U.S. taxpayer an estimated $78 million dollars. We could feed a lot of hungry children, seniors and veterans with that money.

If they pull the trigger then heaven help the U.S. It is bad for the nation and for all Americans but the blame will be laid at Orange Boy and his co-hort of economic terrorists. They should listen to Newt (I leave my wives when they are sick) Gingrich when he says that shutting down the government is not a win proposition for the pukes.

[JustAnotherGen]

27. +1

Only ONE group of people is responsible for this and their leader is a cry baby . . .

[Turbineguy]

31. The repubs could come up with a new health care plan.

They could have the NRA run it.

[Demo_Chris]

51. But then, there has rarely been a law as controvertial as Obamacare...

In my opinion, as a PARTY we better hope and pray someone defunds that trainwreck before the mandates obliterate us as a party.

[BP2]

4. In the end, the negotiations will probably lead to

delaying the individual mandate for everyone.

[Iliyah]

6. Nope, in the end

the base for the GOPers will see thru their continued hatred for the America as a whole. The Mandate is crucial for implementing ACA.

House Gopers cutting food stamps and now this, uh huh, sinking time for them.

[BP2]

12. Not everyone agrees, like

Trumka and the 11.5 million members.


http://nader.org/2013/09/19/can-the-new-trumka-trump-trumka/

Yet, because Trumka et al do not want single payer on the table, the Nurses stayed home and there was no single-payer exhibit permitted at the AFL-CIO Convention.

[Demo_Chris]

52. If the mandate is "crucial" it's a bad law

Constitutionality aside, a mandate is only necessary when the people mandated are receiving less in return than their investment is worth, or when they simply cannot afford it and must be forced to choose between breaking the law or participating.

Some people undoubtedly benefit from the ACA. Specifically, insurance company owners, health service providers, the wealthy who will see their own insurance rates decline, and those with pre-existing conditions that are counting on "mandated" contributions to offset their own bills. These are the people talking about how critical the mandate is -- it's critical for THEM because they are the ones who benefit. Kinda like a 1% preaching the necessity of more tax breaks.

[rurallib]

11. I doubt it - the wheels are in motion

[JBoy]

5. I'm happy with how this will likely play out

It'll go back to the House clean, where enough realistic Republicans will vote with Democrats to pass it. Democrats will look like winners, and the split among Republicans will grow larger.

[BlueMTexpat]

40. You are more optimistic than I.

Are there ANY "realistic Republicans" in the House?

The expression "realistic Republican" has literally become an oxymoron, as has its counterpart "moderate Republican."

[SoapBox]

7. PukeBaggers = Death Panel

Remember...Just Die Quickly!

[Agnosticsherbet]

8. Yes, the lies and grandstanding are everywhere.

On this the President should not negotiate.

Anyone who know who the two Democrats were that voted with Republicans. Can we recall them, or at lest shame them here?

[NoOneMan]

19. On single-payer the president should not have negotiated

This is already a muddled negotiated mess to start with. Compromise is its middle name. Of course the subsidies for these private insurers would be a political football both sides will kick around for votes

[Agnosticsherbet]

25. Single payer was never part of the bill, so there was no fight.

And it is done, being in the past.

I save my battles for those I can fight.

[NoOneMan]

29. I know, I know

Just saying. Now you got a steam heap of shit everyone is scrambling to fight for. Yay.

[Agnosticsherbet]

30. There are many good things in the ACA.

Perfect, no.
Better than what we had. Oh yes.

Future Presidents will make it better, just as Social Security and Medicare both went through a long period of improvement.

More than anything else, the Republicans are afraid that the good in this bill will endure and be improved over time. They go the mat for this because they know that, eventually, we will come to a place they don't want to go.

[NoOneMan]

34. Its the unintended (or implicit) consequences I find to be the issue

All in all, who knows. Its a heap of shit so its a tough call at the end of the day if subsidies get yanked. Regardless, its not going to lower per capita health expenses (which are already out of control) and the health sector will forever drain the economy and perhaps people's personal pocket books.

You don't know what future presidents will do. You are just guessing.

I don't think the Republicans are afraid of this idea being "good". Its their idea since the 60s. They only want to whittle away the subsidies. At the end of the day, if everyone is mandated to purchases shitty health insurance they can't afford to use, and have little to no subsidies, everyone will hate it and it will be an albatross around the Democrats necks.

It was a poor bill to champion. You are fighting for something that many will relentlessly opposed which can easily be poisoned (as we are watching).

[StevePaulson]

45. Wrong

And Wrong.

Do you work for the Heritidge Foundation?

The bill isn't perfect, but it will bring costs down big time. And make insurers stop rescinding people, and pay for care instead of bonuses to the pigs at the top.

http://www.RepublicansAreADisease.com

[NoOneMan]

46. "but it will bring costs down big time."

Per capita health care costs are actually projected to rise under ACA, just not as much as otherwise. Frankly, they are already insane. Any rise should be unacceptable; a real solution (like single-payer) should cause them to decrease when they are past any point of justification. This is the American people ignoring the elephant in the room because they've been given a few shiny trinkets to fawn over.

[RiverNoord]

54. Dude - I think you should probably spew your nonsense elsewhere

I agree with you about one thing - the 'individual mandate' may be genuinely unconstitutional. However, it's had its day, for now, in the Supreme Court and it's the law of the land. The rest of what you have to say is utter nonsense - you're making claims without any supporting information, declaring that the ACA will bring down the Democratic party - that just annoying. The mandate is a crucial part of the law, but that's not a bad thing. Your claims about it only benefiting the rich are nonsense, and given the remarkable level of anti-modern health care propaganda in the country, we're not going to get to single-payer or universal health care any time soon. The health care profiteers are just too powerful and very good at playing any card they have, including 'OMG it's a BLACK MAN practically in the ROOM with YOUR DOCTOR telling HIM what he can and CAN'T DO!!! It's the END OF THE WORLD!!!' And convincing, or possibly paying, people like you to cry out how calamitous it will be in other somewhat unspecified awful ways that you can't really enunciate BUT IT'LL BE REALLY BAD - REALLY!

If you have enough time on your hands to BS this much on a website, perhaps you should do something useful like get a real job so that have something productive to contribute to society - you certainly won't achieve that by the nonsense you spread around here.

[NoOneMan]

55. Did you mean to reply to me?

Because that tirade had little to nothing to do with my post.

[iamthebandfanman]

9. people in nc, ut, and va should

send out some emails today

[bigwillq]

10. What a waste of time.

It will never pass the Senate.

Just vote to fund the gov or not.

[gabeana]

13. reading the comments from the article

is quite entertaining, tea baggers actually think this will end Obama care

bring pop corn if you read the comments

[BP2]

17. they smell blood after

the red line was ignored

maybe they're right ...

[KansDem]

14. This wouldn't bother me...

...if I was stuck here making $172,000 a year.

[jzodda]

15. 2 Dems voted with the lunactics.

Two Democrats voted for the measure, Reps. Jim Matheson (Utah) and Mike McIntyre (N.C.).

I see where they are located, but nevertheless they should be punished for their disloyalty. I hope they get a primary challenge and get defeated.

[muriel_volestrangler]

36. Agreed - they really shouldn't be trying to look stupid

The Republicans are proving themselves incompetent and unfit for government. Why would any Democrat join them? The cheaper health insurance is already appearing; by next year, Obamacare will be self-evidently a Good Thing. Only Republican determination to oppose anything Obama does has them doing this. Those 2 must be truly dumb. And incapable of explaining a good measure to their constituents.

[Evasporque]

16. Cruz has threatened fillibuster....ass....nt

[davidpdx]

50. Let'em

That just means no vote will be taken and nothing will get through the Senate because of a Republican.

Is there a 60 threshold vote on the CR or not? I never can remember.

[redstatebluegirl]

18. Do they ever give up!!!!

[littlewolf]

24. nope , mental illness. eom

[Divine Discontent]

20. extortion

plain n simple

[Cryptoad]

21. Time for the Senate to pass

a batchit crazy bill striking at cutting the heart out of every GOP edict that exist as law! If the GOP expects to negotiate to the middle, The Senate has got to get as crazy as the House!

[spartan61]

22. They just came back to D.C.

and they had planned another recess? So it is suppose to be a big friggin deal that they canceled their recess to actually do some work? They make big time wages for their part time work. They need to stay in Washington and start working on jobs, infrastructure, etc. You know, things that actually help America instead of acting like two year olds.

[kardonb]

28. GOP

GOP = insanity personified ! A bunch of slackers and time - wasters . Absolutely disgusting !!!

[maddogesq]

32. I say Yippee Ki Yay MOFO'S, let's go to a shutdown.

The GOP wheels are coming off, and Boner has again lost control.

Stand your ground Mr. Prez.

Although I will be immediately impacted by a shutdown, I think it is time for the blame to fall on the Teabaggers.

BRING...IT...ON!

[Doctor_J]

44. only one republican voted against it.

How do you classify this as the wheels coming off?

[Zater]

33. Selfish rich bastards

They don't care about food stamps because they don't need them.

[mtasselin]

35. Time

It is time to vote out those two democrats that voted for this bill.

[sinkingfeeling]

37. What the hell is wrong with Matheson and McIntyre?

[Ash_F]

38. Didn't the Pubs already shutdown the Government over something stupid?

Some years ago?

[jmowreader]

42. Yeah, and the voters let them know EXACTLY what they thought of them for doing it

[BlueMTexpat]

39. Two f**king Dems voted FOR this abomination.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2013/09/20/who-voted-for-the-house-short-term-budget-plan/

They are: Reps. Jim Matheson (Utah) and Mike McIntyre (N.C.).

The article is kinder to them than I am. On this vote, there are NO excuses whatsoever, IMO.

That’s why it’s no surprise that Matheson and McIntyre voted with Republicans. They are two of the most vulnerable Democrats, who won reelection by slim margins last year in super-swing districts. Their political fortunes often force them to vote with the GOP on key or controversial votes, including other budget votes and whether to hold Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. in contempt.

14 did not vote but I am not yet sure of the R/D breakdown. Still, I have almost more scorn for those who would not vote than for those who voted for it. Craven cowards are they!

[DallasNE]

41. Another Misleading Headline

It misleads because it doesn't fully fund the government through mid-December at even current sequester levels. This short extension includes 100% of sequester cuts for non-defense spending over this 2 1/2 month period. It also includes 60% of defense sequester cuts as well. This would make the furloughs far more severe than they have been to date. Indeed, in the case of air transportation the capital spending account was halted to pay for air traffic controllers. This looks as though furloughs for air traffic controllers would be unavoidable -- and who know what else this would force to be shut down, like the National Park system and the tourist dollars those bring in. Just the part to "keep the government running" would be enough to trigger a veto (it will never even come to that though), let alone the other poison pill amendments chucked into this bill.

[Iliyah]

43. And you are correct.

The sequester cuts are extremely harmful but I'm hoping that Senate Dems while taking out the defunding BS also addresses these awful cuts and revisit them with a better way of addressing the debit w/o cuts, i.e. snap, et al.,

[Dyedinthewoolliberal]

48. Here's what my union has to say to that

(Washington residents)

[shotten99]

49. This is why I am against fillibuster reform

Eventually they will win the House and Senate again. Just wait till we see the goofy shit they try to pass then!

[Liberalynn]

53. Unfortunately whether our side reforms it or not does not matter.

If we don't when they get the majority, they will any way.

Whenever they get control and hopefully that is a long way away they aren't going to let the Democrats use the fillibuster like they have anyway.

Pukes don't play fair.