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Thu Feb 23, 2012, 01:48 AM

 

Santorum campaign suggests Mitt Romney may have done deal to make Ron Paul his running mate

http://harndenblog.dailymail.co.uk/2012/02/santorum-campaign-suggests-romney-may-have-done-deal-to-make-ron-paul-his-running-mate.html

After tonight's debate, in which Ron Paul and Mitt Romney repeatedly attacked Rick Santorum over his 16-year record in Congress, the former Pennsylvania hinted that something nefarious was going on. "You have to ask Congressman Paul and Governor Romney what they've got going together,"

Santorum told reporters in the spin room in Mesa, Arizona. "Their commercials look a lot alike and so do their attacks." Santorum's top strategist John Brabender went even further, charging that the two men had "joined forces" and were coordinating attacks against his man

"Clearly there's a tag team strategy between Ron Paul and Mitt Romney. For all I know, Mitt Romney might be considering Ron Paul as his running mate. Clearly there is now an alliance between those two and you saw that certainly in the debate." The was also coordination in their attack ads, he charged. "Ron Paul for all practical purposes has pulled out of Michigan. Correct? Where's he running negative ads against Rick Santorum? Michigan.

"It was interesting to me that if you watch Ron Paul when he came into the debate wrote negative things about Rick Santorum down because when he started to get questions he would immediately pick up his paper and start mentioning Santorum stuff." He added: "What is amazing to me this shows a remarkable ability by Romney, who has already proven to be the most negative man in history on TV, now he's even training his opponents to be negative for his benefit and actually I think that takes remarkable skill."

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my take, and why

The main reason this has any credibilty is the 'behind-the-scenes' delegate control strategy of the Paul campaign, who could have enough actual delegates at the convention that he controls to tip the nomination to any of the other 3 candidates:

http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/291218/ron-paul-s-delegate-strategy-katrina-trinko?pg=2

Ron Paul’s Delegate Strategy

The Paul campaign has focused on diligently training its supporters, who, as any reporter whose e-mail address is public can tell you, are a passionate lot. Paul backers are willing not to just show up and pull the lever for Paul, but also to learn the arcane rules that govern delegate selection.

Consider what happened at one Maine caucus site. Washington Post reporter Felicia Somnez reported that while the original schedule had been selection of delegates first and then the caucus vote, a voter’s proposal that the order be reversed was approved by the attendees. Around half of voters had come for the caucus vote, not for the delegate selection. “The state delegate race would be conducted with only about half that many people in the room,” Somnez wrote. “And that meant the pool had effectively been reduced to only the most committed voters of an already quite diehard bunch — among them, many Paul supporters like [Alex] Lyscars who were willing to spend more than four hours at a caucus on a Saturday afternoon and for whom the straw-poll results were secondary to the actual delegate race.”

After Maine’s caucus, the state GOP called Romney the caucus winner. But the Paul campaign had a different spin on the outcome. “We are confident we will control the Maine delegation for the convention in August,” said Benton in a statement issued that night. The campaign estimates that about 75 percent of the state’s current delegates are Paul supporters. And it’s not just Maine and Colorado. Talking to reporters in January, Benton predicted that the Paul campaign would ultimately “win the Iowa delegation, even though we took a close third place . . . on caucus night.” Seventy-five percent of the Minnesota delegates to local party conventions are Paul backers, according to the campaign.

Ultimately, the odds that Paul could get enough delegates to swing the national convention to a vote nominating him are nil. But the more delegates Paul controls, the more of an impact he can have on determining the GOP platform at the convention. Furthermore, if it does come to a brokered convention — admittedly an unlikely scenario — the Paul campaign will be ready. Benton refuses to speculate about what the specific odds are that there will be a brokered convention, but does say of the possibility, “We’ve always seen it as more likely than most people would.”


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Reply Santorum campaign suggests Mitt Romney may have done deal to make Ron Paul his running mate (Original post)
stockholmer Feb 2012 OP
Kithim Feb 2012 #1
ChairmanAgnostic Feb 2012 #10
Galraedia Feb 2012 #34
AllyCat Feb 2012 #2
Comrade Grumpy Feb 2012 #3
Fearless Feb 2012 #4
dimbear Feb 2012 #5
starroute Feb 2012 #17
Myrina Feb 2012 #40
Democrat18 Feb 2012 #6
Morning Dew Feb 2012 #7
Democrat18 Feb 2012 #30
stockholmer Feb 2012 #13
Democrat18 Feb 2012 #31
marble falls Feb 2012 #8
JJW Feb 2012 #9
DCBob Feb 2012 #11
CatholicEdHead Feb 2012 #37
hayrow1 Feb 2012 #12
blm Feb 2012 #14
Thor_MN Feb 2012 #15
Javaman Feb 2012 #16
sofa king Feb 2012 #18
Proud Liberal Dem Feb 2012 #19
bluedigger Feb 2012 #20
grantcart Feb 2012 #22
bluedigger Feb 2012 #25
harun Feb 2012 #21
yurbud Feb 2012 #23
maximusveritas Feb 2012 #24
bluedigger Feb 2012 #26
xxqqqzme Feb 2012 #27
Doc Holliday Feb 2012 #28
flamingdem Feb 2012 #29
Brettongarcia Feb 2012 #32
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UCmeNdc Feb 2012 #35
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RZM Feb 2012 #38
L. Coyote Feb 2012 #39

Response to stockholmer (Original post)

Thu Feb 23, 2012, 02:10 AM

1. Alliance? Not quite

I do not think there is any alliance between Paul and Romney. I don't see how Ron Paul and Romney both attacking Santorum equates to an alliance between the two. Ron Paul and Romney both dislike Santorum. That does not mean they like each other. The idea that Romney is training Paul to do his bidding seems absurd. The Paul campaign has long said that the race was between Paul and Romney, for they believe such a race will give Paul more votes. So it makes sense that Paul wants the other two out. Romney probably feels threatened by Santorum's recent wins, and wants him out as well.

I doubt Paul would even consider being the VP. He refuses to even say he will support the eventual nominee. Are there common interests? Sure. But then again all the candidates have a common interest of defeating Obama. But there is no alliance. Such a theory just seems incredibly improbable.

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Response to Kithim (Reply #1)

Thu Feb 23, 2012, 06:12 AM

10. The enemy of my enemy is my enema.

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Response to Kithim (Reply #1)

Fri Feb 24, 2012, 12:57 AM

34. Maybe not Ron Paul, but what about Rand?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/22/rand-paul-vice-president_n_1295016.html?ref=politics

Ron Paul is nothing more then Mitt Romney's butt-bangle booty buddy.

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Response to stockholmer (Original post)

Thu Feb 23, 2012, 02:16 AM

2. It won't help. The whole lot of them could be on the ticket and it wouldn't help

They are completely crazy.

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Response to stockholmer (Original post)

Thu Feb 23, 2012, 03:09 AM

3. I'm lovin' this freak show of a primary campaign and what it's doing to the GOP brand.

 

Is it too late to Draft Palin?

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Response to stockholmer (Original post)

Thu Feb 23, 2012, 03:43 AM

4. It's a lie meant to drag Romney down...

Of course no such deal will ever be made.

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Response to stockholmer (Original post)

Thu Feb 23, 2012, 04:05 AM

5. I think I get it. Another Republican homophobe who spends his time thinking up

wrestling analogies. Hot sweaty wrestlers straining under the lights, grunting and moaning and slapping and............

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Response to dimbear (Reply #5)

Thu Feb 23, 2012, 10:12 AM

17. ... and wondering "what they've got going together"

He just can't help himself, can he?

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Response to starroute (Reply #17)

Fri Feb 24, 2012, 02:21 PM

40. LOL, I thought the same thing!

Ricky's got some splainin' to do!!

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Response to stockholmer (Original post)

Thu Feb 23, 2012, 04:13 AM

6. Test Post

 

But I agree Ron Paul could be doing just that.

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Response to Democrat18 (Reply #6)

Thu Feb 23, 2012, 04:37 AM

7. happy Birthday, Democrat18 and welcome to DU!





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Response to Morning Dew (Reply #7)

Thu Feb 23, 2012, 03:27 PM

30. Thank you

 

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Response to Democrat18 (Reply #6)

Thu Feb 23, 2012, 08:20 AM

13. welcome to DU

 

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Response to stockholmer (Reply #13)

Thu Feb 23, 2012, 03:28 PM

31. And thank You!

 

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Response to stockholmer (Original post)

Thu Feb 23, 2012, 04:55 AM

8. Good news!

A vice President older than Reagan was when he was President, and even goofier than Ronnie. Priceless.

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Response to stockholmer (Original post)

Thu Feb 23, 2012, 06:17 AM

11. There does appear to be something going on there.

Its odd how aggressive Paul has gotten against Saint Santorum recently. Must be some sort of deal maybe not VP but something significant. It could be effective because many GOPers respect Paul even if they would never vote for him. It gives Rmoney some cred he didnt have before.

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Response to DCBob (Reply #11)

Fri Feb 24, 2012, 01:08 PM

37. Maybe trying to push the religious right out

Romney is mainstream with his religion (not in your face). Paul goes after the sometimes atheist anti-government wing. What you will have is a moderate the GOP movers and shakers like along with someone who appeals to the rank and file anti-government/libertarian/militia types. You end up taking Jesus out of the campaign. You end up with a complete economic ticket and social issues will be tossed to the background.

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Response to stockholmer (Original post)

Thu Feb 23, 2012, 08:07 AM

12. Has the LDS baptized Paul's ancesters yet?

 

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Response to stockholmer (Original post)

Thu Feb 23, 2012, 09:36 AM

14. This is how Ron is setting the table for what he thinks he CAN get from Romney - RAND Paul as

either a running mate or some position high up in the party.

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Response to stockholmer (Original post)

Thu Feb 23, 2012, 09:41 AM

15. Paranoid, religious zealot and stupid is no way to go through life, son.

 

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Response to stockholmer (Original post)

Thu Feb 23, 2012, 09:54 AM

16. ass froth continues on his freight train ride to insanity with a new bonus...

paranoia!

Fine by me.

Frankly, I think in the end, lizard man is going to endorce Romney.

Which would seal ass froths fate.

Paul, I don't think will endorce anyone, because by convention time, he will have zero influence on anything.

Lizard man controls a portion of the ultra crazy right. A portion that ass froth would kill to get.

it's amusing to think that lizard man will be the spoiler, but then again, I think that's what whole mission is about.

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Response to stockholmer (Original post)

Thu Feb 23, 2012, 10:13 AM

18. The mouse that ate the elephant...

...by allowing itself to be swallowed.

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Response to stockholmer (Original post)

Thu Feb 23, 2012, 10:27 AM

19. That would be a strange ticket

also I don't think that that the "base" would go for it either- not that I would accuse Romney of being very politically saavy either but still.................

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Response to stockholmer (Original post)

Thu Feb 23, 2012, 10:42 AM

20. Paul is doing everything he can to "game" the system.

Nobody thinks he can get the nomination, but he will have a lot of influence. I suspect he has at least a couple of goals. First, he will insist that the Republican platform includes auditing the Fed - I'm okay with that, actually.

Secondly, I think he will try to get a VP nomination - but not for himself - for his son, Rand. If he can deliver the Paulista votes, Rand would be a decent VP candidate - younger, and without all the wounds and primary baggage that the other Presidential candidates have suffered during the primary. Also, a young VP would be a strong future candidate for President...

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Response to bluedigger (Reply #20)

Thu Feb 23, 2012, 01:01 PM

22. He doesn't even have to get the nomination for his son, but simply get him on the 'short list'

If he's on the 'short' list then he has to be considered orthodox enough to be the pick, if he's orthodox enough to be picked for VP then he certainly can run for nomination next time. Clever strategy of expanding perceptions like a latex glove. Eventually it will fit.

Ron Paul is simply doing an indepth volunteer recruiting campaign to get an early start on Rand Paul's inevitable candidacy for the Republican nomination.

And, its pretty damn clever.

While the party elders are looking the other way this weird little guy is laying the foundation for a schism that will truely split the Republican Party apart.

They don't even see it.

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Response to grantcart (Reply #22)

Thu Feb 23, 2012, 01:40 PM

25. Good point.

Either way, it helps legitimize Rand. The way I see it, if Romney gets the nomination, and inevitably loses, then your prediction will be in play and Paul will attempt to split the party. If Santorum somehow gets the nod, and inevitably loses, then Paul will be the Republican Party going forward, because there will be nothing else left.

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Response to stockholmer (Original post)

Thu Feb 23, 2012, 10:43 AM

21. Guy needs a psychiatrist to help him with his paranoia.

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Response to stockholmer (Original post)

Thu Feb 23, 2012, 01:24 PM

23. It would make sense if Romney was following the Papa & Baby Bush strategy for picking a VP:

life insurance.

No one would dare kill either and risk a Quayle or Cheney presidency respectively.

That logic only holds for elite fear of Ron Paul though not because of his beliefs but because he doesn't change them based on the checks he gets.

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Response to stockholmer (Original post)

Thu Feb 23, 2012, 01:30 PM

24. Obviously this is the case, but I'm not sure it helps him to point it out

People who aren't as attuned to politics will call him "paranoid" or making excuses. It would be better to wait for the media to point it out. I don't think it helps the image of Paul or Romney for them to be seen making back-room deals.

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Response to maximusveritas (Reply #24)

Thu Feb 23, 2012, 01:47 PM

26. Yeah, that would be bad.

Imagine the uproar if Romney offered Paul a Cabinet position, Secretary of State, for example.

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Response to stockholmer (Original post)

Thu Feb 23, 2012, 02:17 PM

27. Was there a prayer before the

comedy show started? That picture is creepy.

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Response to stockholmer (Original post)

Thu Feb 23, 2012, 02:59 PM

28. the latest wrinkle/the last resort

"They're conspiring against me!"

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Response to stockholmer (Original post)

Thu Feb 23, 2012, 03:01 PM

29. Anyone who puts an nutjob like Ron Paul that close to the Presidency

should be put in prison.

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Response to flamingdem (Reply #29)

Thu Feb 23, 2012, 03:34 PM

32. All Ron Paul and Libertarianism are: just the American version of classic Anarchism

The basic idea in both, is this: take away government, and let the ordinary people work things out.

By the way, it doesn't work; as we saw in Robber Barons, and the 1960's communes. Drop all the rules? And a crazy strong man/cult leader takes over.

But? Libertarianism/Anarachy is still an invaluable thought-experiment for college freshmen. Suppose indeed there was no government; then what would happen?

Bad things as it turns out. But its fun to play with ... as a crazy hypothesis.

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Response to Brettongarcia (Reply #32)

Thu Feb 23, 2012, 03:37 PM

33. No. Ron Paul is a racist fuck. We're not having a

anarchist "learning experience" with him. Try Murry Bookchin.

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Response to stockholmer (Original post)

Fri Feb 24, 2012, 07:41 AM

35. Ron Paul does seem to have sold his soul to Mitt Romney

It does seem strange how Ron Paul never attacks Mitt Romney. It seems like there is a back room deal being consummated.

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Response to stockholmer (Original post)

Fri Feb 24, 2012, 12:16 PM

36. Maybe Mitt "bought out" Paul's campaign for cash and political favors to be named later.

He will now sell off the profitable parts of the campaign and write off the rest.

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Response to stockholmer (Original post)

Fri Feb 24, 2012, 01:39 PM

38. Not a chance he'd make Ron Paul his running mate

 

Though I think it's possible that he would offer it to Rand Paul. Very unlikely, but not outside the realm of possibility.

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Response to stockholmer (Original post)

Fri Feb 24, 2012, 01:40 PM

39. Symptomatic of paranoid politicians everywhere, never opposed because they are wackos, fault always

in the opposition, often perceived as a conspiracy.

Just more evidence they are paranoid and delusional

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