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Sun Sep 1, 2013, 11:58 AM

 

Iran ex-president says Syria government launched gas attacks: news agency

Source: Reuter

(Reuters) - Former Iranian President Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani said the Syrian government, a strong ally of Tehran, had carried out chemical weapons attacks against its own people, the semi-official Iranian Labour News Agency reported on Sunday.

"The people have been the target of chemical attacks by their own government and now they must also wait for an attack by foreigners," Rafsanjani said, according to ILNA. "The people of Syria have seen much damage in these two years."

(Reporting By Yeganeh Torbati, Editing by William Maclean and Andrew Heavens)


Read more: http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/09/01/us-syria-crisis-iran-rafsanjani-idUSBRE98007R20130901






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A dramatic and curious incident on Sunday afternoon, with the Iranian Labor News Agency’s shifting reports on the words of former President Hashemi Rafsanjani.

ILNA reported Rafsanjani’s unequivocal denunciation of the Assad regime for use of chemical weapons near Damascus: “The people have been the target of chemical attacks by their own government and now they must also wait for an attack by foreigners.”

Rafsanjani continued, “The people of Syria have seen much damage in these two years, the prisons are overflowing and they’ve converted stadiums into prisons, more than 100,000 people killed and millions displaced show the plight of Syria more than ever before.”

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Reply Iran ex-president says Syria government launched gas attacks: news agency (Original post)
Sand Wind Sep 2013 OP
Benton D Struckcheon Sep 2013 #1
Sand Wind Sep 2013 #2
kelliekat44 Sep 2013 #25
MADem Sep 2013 #3
Ruby the Liberal Sep 2013 #16
jessie04 Sep 2013 #4
Iliyah Sep 2013 #6
jessie04 Sep 2013 #7
Iliyah Sep 2013 #10
jessie04 Sep 2013 #11
andym Sep 2013 #12
jessie04 Sep 2013 #14
L0oniX Sep 2013 #9
KittyWampus Sep 2013 #17
L0oniX Sep 2013 #19
LanternWaste Sep 2013 #30
MADem Sep 2013 #23
Douglas Carpenter Sep 2013 #24
jessie04 Sep 2013 #26
Douglas Carpenter Sep 2013 #27
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ronnie624 Sep 2013 #28
roamer65 Sep 2013 #34
Benton D Struckcheon Sep 2013 #5
Sand Wind Sep 2013 #8
Igel Sep 2013 #13
Benton D Struckcheon Sep 2013 #15
KittyWampus Sep 2013 #18
Benton D Struckcheon Sep 2013 #20
KittyWampus Sep 2013 #21
Benton D Struckcheon Sep 2013 #22
freshwest Sep 2013 #31
Benton D Struckcheon Sep 2013 #32
freshwest Sep 2013 #33
freshwest Sep 2013 #29

Response to Sand Wind (Original post)

Sun Sep 1, 2013, 12:15 PM

1. I saw somewhere, don't remember if it was here or somewhere else,

that Iran was shocked by the use of CW and was having an internal debate on their alliance w/Syria, given their own history with chemical weapons. Looks like that article was correct.

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Response to Benton D Struckcheon (Reply #1)

Sun Sep 1, 2013, 12:29 PM

2. The Article was correct, I was to publier too, but its was too late. Nt

 

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Response to Benton D Struckcheon (Reply #1)

Mon Sep 2, 2013, 05:23 AM

25. You haven't seen it miuch in the news because we can't allow any Iranian, especially a former leader

 

to appear to be humane and compassionate.

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Response to Sand Wind (Original post)

Sun Sep 1, 2013, 12:30 PM

3. He's clearly not speaking with the imprimatur of the Guardians....

They have common cause with al-Assad, for obvious reasons.

These are pretty fearless comments by Rafsanjani. He's a guy who has been held under house arrest before for saying things the Guardian Council don't like...

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Response to MADem (Reply #3)

Sun Sep 1, 2013, 06:54 PM

16. I had the same reaction

Raffers is gutsy - but no way Qom approved this...

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Response to Sand Wind (Original post)

Sun Sep 1, 2013, 12:40 PM

4. Fact : Syria used Sarin gas against its innocent kids and adults.

 

Fact: the world couldn't give a shit.

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Response to jessie04 (Reply #4)

Sun Sep 1, 2013, 12:55 PM

6. I agree - jessie04

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Response to Iliyah (Reply #6)

Sun Sep 1, 2013, 01:04 PM

7. This lack of action is bad enough.

 

What happens when Assad or the next Assad uses biologic or nuclear weapons?

Will the reaction here be the same?

"its none of our business"
"we've used nukes first"
" Hillary Clinton is a liar and warmonger" just assuming)

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Response to jessie04 (Reply #7)

Sun Sep 1, 2013, 01:45 PM

10. God Forbid if that occurs again

it could be a airborne chemical destructive agent and then "maybe" the world will wake up.

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Response to Iliyah (Reply #10)

Sun Sep 1, 2013, 01:57 PM

11. Actually, with some chemical weapons you dont wake up.

 

there will be some excuse then, i'm sure.

"The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil is that Good Men Do Nothing".... isn't that the truth.

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Response to jessie04 (Reply #7)

Sun Sep 1, 2013, 04:52 PM

12. Well pacificism is a great princliple

but it can allow a lot of evil to occur if it blocks action against those who seek to destroy.

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Response to andym (Reply #12)

Sun Sep 1, 2013, 05:59 PM

14. Somewhere Progressivism become Pacifism...I don't know when.

 

If it can't act , even minimally, against war crimes or atrocities, what does it stand for ?


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Response to jessie04 (Reply #4)

Sun Sep 1, 2013, 01:16 PM

9. rt news is now being attacked here but maybe there is another reason for that...

 

http://rt.com/news/syria-fsa-chemical-weapons-229/

What The Media Isn’t Telling You About The Syrian Chemical Attack :
Al Nusra Front Also Has Sarin Gas
http://benswann.com/what-the-media-isnt-telling-you-about-the-syrian-chemical-attack/

Even this past May the "rebels" already had access to chemical weapons, and that they had been using Sarin agents before. The UN has also said that the rebels (Al Qaeda affliliates, Al Nussra) has used the weapons in Syria more recently, not Assad.
http://www.care2.com/news/member/100541798/3634085


...and there's more but why bother looking ...lets just go with it ...who fucking cares anyway ...truth is a national secret

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Response to L0oniX (Reply #9)

Sun Sep 1, 2013, 06:58 PM

17. Well, Bernie Sanders is on record attributing it to Assad's forces. But HEY! Putin's mouthpiece

 

is more reliable.

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Response to KittyWampus (Reply #17)

Sun Sep 1, 2013, 07:01 PM

19. Oh yes because our press and government NEVER LIES! n/t

 

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Response to L0oniX (Reply #19)

Fri Sep 6, 2013, 01:59 PM

30. Nor does the Russian Times...

Nor does the Russian Times...

Six of one, half a dozen of the other.

(Insert distinction without a difference here)

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Response to KittyWampus (Reply #17)

Mon Sep 2, 2013, 02:19 AM

23. Oh that Bernie! McCain's got him in his pocket, surely!!



I guess I shouldn't be surprised when people who paint themselves as liberal pacifists would sooner believe the personal propaganda arm of the former head of the KGB on this topic than they would our Senate's only truly independent liberal, socialist voice.

It's flat-out astounding, the contortions that people will twist themselves into....

Anything to avoid agreeing with Obama about anything, I guess...

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Response to jessie04 (Reply #4)

Mon Sep 2, 2013, 04:03 AM

24. same - Saddam used chemical weapons against Iran AND his own people on a far,far more massive scale

nobody cared and the British, Americans and French continued to support him


Chemical weapons Halabja Iraq March 1988

And if the rebels in Syria are victorious there will be tremendous retribution against he coalition of minorities who make up Assad's base. As the slogan of the "Free Syria movement goes, "Christians to Beirut - Alawites to the grave."

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Response to Douglas Carpenter (Reply #24)

Mon Sep 2, 2013, 09:01 AM

26. Fact : 100% correct

 

2 wrongs don't make a right .

I know in your heart you are dead set against using chemical weapons at any time.

Who and how should it be stopped ?

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Response to jessie04 (Reply #26)

Mon Sep 2, 2013, 10:27 AM

27. as in medicine - above all do no harm - in this case exacerbating a very complicated ethic/religious

divided civil war - I think President Carter offered one of the most sensible approaches:

“It is imperative to determine the facts of the attack and present them to the public. Those responsible for the use of chemical weapons must bear personal responsibility,” Carter said in the statement. “The chemical attack should be a catalyst for redoubling efforts to convene a peace conference, to end hostilities, and urgently to find a political solution.”



The Carter Center urged against a military response to possible chemical weapons use without a U.N. mandate, saying the action would be “illegal under international law and unlikely to alter the course of the war.”

“Instead, all should seek to leverage the consensus among the entire international community, including Russia and Iran, condemning the use of chemical weapons in Syria and bringing under U.N. oversight the country’s stockpile of such weapons,” the center said in the statement.


Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2013/08/jimmy-carter-syria-peace-summit-96087.html#ixzz2dkHgTO3B

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Response to Douglas Carpenter (Reply #27)

Mon Sep 2, 2013, 01:19 PM

28. *

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Response to Douglas Carpenter (Reply #27)

Fri Sep 6, 2013, 10:32 PM

34. There goes President Carter...making sense again.

God bless him.

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Response to Sand Wind (Original post)

Sun Sep 1, 2013, 12:43 PM

5. Found the Iran-Syria article

Here's the crucial quote:

...pressure could quickly mount to review Iran's backing for Assad in a country that has made the horrors of chemical attacks a centerpiece of its remembrances of the 1980-88 war with Iraq, which was then backed by Washington.

Iran estimates 100,000 Iranian soldiers and civilians were exposed to Iraqi chemical weapons, mostly mustard and nerve gases. Tens of thousands died on the battlefields from chemical exposure and thousands more suffered serious, and sometimes fatal, aftereffects such as skin lesions and chronic breathing problems.

"There seems to be deep division in the Iranian leadership as to what to do with Assad," said Meir Javedanfar, a lecturer in Iranian affairs at the Interdisciplinary Center in Herzliya, Israel. "The moderates seem to want to distance Iran from him as he is becoming a serious diplomatic and financial liability. The conservatives, headed by the Revolutionary Guard, seem to want to continue supporting him, because they see everything and anything to do with Syria as their turf."


Source: Chemical allegations in Syria haunt ally Iran

There's also this on the current Prez's initial reaction to the attack: Iran's president tweets condemnation of Syria chemical weapons attacks

...which he walked back a bit after it began to become apparent that the weight of the evidence was pointing to a government attack rather than the rebels.

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Response to Benton D Struckcheon (Reply #5)

Sun Sep 1, 2013, 01:10 PM

8. Thanks for the link nt

 

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Response to Benton D Struckcheon (Reply #5)

Sun Sep 1, 2013, 05:12 PM

13. And if the evidence shifts again, the opinion will shift again.

Sounds like they have no more information than the rest of us.

Patience, grasshopper.

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Response to Igel (Reply #13)

Sun Sep 1, 2013, 06:24 PM

15. I have already posted a link

from someone who worked for months meticulously documenting the various CW attacks, and they all wound up, on the weight of the evidence, pointing back to the gov't.
Take it to someone who believes articles from crappy sources. I don't.

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Response to Benton D Struckcheon (Reply #15)

Sun Sep 1, 2013, 07:00 PM

18. could you browse back through your posts and help find that? I'd love to read it.

 

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Response to KittyWampus (Reply #18)

Sun Sep 1, 2013, 07:03 PM

20. Here ya go

http://brown-moses.blogspot.co.uk/2013/08/collected-media-of-munitions-linked-to.html

It takes a long time to go through all of this, unlike some shoddy article from a minty press. But it's very much worth it. This guy takes his work very seriously.

Also, his answer to that crap:

http://brown-moses.blogspot.co.uk/2013/09/chemical-weapons-specialists-on-claims.html

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Response to Benton D Struckcheon (Reply #20)

Sun Sep 1, 2013, 07:29 PM

21. it's refreshing to find information. THANKS

 

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Response to KittyWampus (Reply #21)

Sun Sep 1, 2013, 07:33 PM

22. No problem.

I posted it to one person here, who not only completely ignored it but went on to start a thread about how irrefutable it was that it was the rebels. This place has turned out to be like every other place on the Internet; very few care about facts, just about flaunting their opinions regardless of the facts.
Another person I posted it to said it was based on bad sources, like he was some sort of expert on sources in Syria and had his own. Didn't post any actual facts though.
A third went off on a weird rant about not believing the government. Except this isn't a government source of course. Didn't seem to even slow him down though.

Sigh.

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Response to Benton D Struckcheon (Reply #22)

Fri Sep 6, 2013, 02:10 PM

31. I'm paying attention, just haven't run across your posts much. I hope these are in your Journal.

If Kitty Wampus hadn't said something about checking her Journal last night, I would have missed a lot of information.

I find this OP to show a path to a just peace in Syria made through the pressure of its allies, the most lasting kind in most cases. No matter what our issues are with Iran, no nation is all of one mind. It's the loud mouths that try to speak for all.

I'm disappointed those who have called Kerry a liar are not here Recing this as something to bolster their isolationist stance. This is a way out to avoid a military strike and that is what they say their goal is. Not just to bash a Dem administration for a GOP win in 2014.

This OP should garner the Recs bashing threads do. Because it's about saving lives, isn't it?


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Response to freshwest (Reply #31)

Fri Sep 6, 2013, 02:45 PM

32. Eh, most discussions on the Internet wind up being chest-beating displays,

where people just try to confirm their bona fides with the dominant stream of thought. Not a lot of people check out reliable, independent sources of information. Mostly they just read people who confirm their POV.
The thing I find most annoying is what is termed "appeal to authority": where someone recognizable who stands for a certain expertise is trotted out as saying they agree with the poster, even though that person's expertise isn't in the area being talked about, OR is from some other situation not quite comparable to the one being discussed.
This is different from citing Amnesty International in a discussion on human rights; it's more like trotting out an opinion from, say, Colonel Wilkerson, Powell's former chief of staff, that the chemical attack might have been a false flag operation. Yes, he's a military man, and yes, he does have the experience to speak about stuff like this, but that doesn't mean he has special knowledge of this situation or special knowledge re what actually happened in Syria. It's a reasonably informed opinion, but it's still just one man's opinion.
To make it crystal clear, this guy's expertise is munitions, and when things stray from that into, say, actual chemicals used in these weapons, he doesn't give his opinion, even though it would probably be pretty good, because that would be a sort of appeal to authority; he goes and asks actual chemical weapons experts what they think. That shows straightforward honesty you don't often find on the Internet.

And yes, in the end, it should be about saving lives. I don't understand the instantaneous bashing that takes place around here as soon as any Democrat strays from the Righteous & Proper Course As Certified & Approved on Democratic Underground. It's childish and it's ridiculous.

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Response to Benton D Struckcheon (Reply #32)

Fri Sep 6, 2013, 03:10 PM

33. I prefer to stay neutral and gather data, some which I don't like, then think about it.

Thanks for your time.

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Response to Sand Wind (Original post)

Fri Sep 6, 2013, 01:56 PM

29. Iranians said it, so no one will call them liars. Positive push to stop oppressing Syrians.

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