Sat Aug 24, 2013, 11:29 AM

7962 (9,413 posts)

Hostage kills escapee who shot deputy

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Source: USA Today

An escaped convict broke into the home of a southwest Iowa couple and held them at gunpoint for several hours before one of the hostages shot and killed the intruder, police said Tuesday.

Rodney Eugene Long, 38, broke out of the Clarinda Correctional Facility about 20 miles away on Friday. He is accused of shooting Taylor County deputy Sunday night after stealing a gun in a home burglary and led police on a 40-minute chase, triggering a massive manhunt Monday in the area.

Read more: http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/08/20/des-moines-prison-fugitive-killed/2675733/

71 yr old retiree shoots and kills prison escapee who was holding him and his wife hostage while on the run from authorities.

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15 replies	Author	Time	Post
Hostage kills escapee who shot deputy (Original post)	7962	Aug 2013	OP
Well, that's the end of that escape.	Archae	Aug 2013	#1
This may be too old for LBN	NutmegYankee	Aug 2013	#2
My mistake. Dont know how I missed the date of the story.	7962	Aug 2013	#3
Now let's hear the "gun-nut" attacks on the shotgun owning homeowner who saved his wife	AnotherMcIntosh	Aug 2013	#4
We hear so much about "how we talk of guns has changed forever."	Eleanors38	Aug 2013	#5
The escapee armed himself with an unsecured handgun in a break-in.	bluedigger	Aug 2013	#6
The Gungeoneers predictably	billh58	Aug 2013	#7
I give it 2 1/2 out of 4- not bad. You got most of the talking points	friendly_iconoclast	Aug 2013	#9
No point for "proliferation"?	petronius	Aug 2013	#13
Mr. Long was a dangerous man with or without that handgun.	NYC_SKP	Aug 2013	#11
Sorry, locking	maddezmom	Aug 2013	#8
IATL?	petronius	Aug 2013	#10
Oops.	NYC_SKP	Aug 2013	#12
IATATL?	petronius	Aug 2013	#14
Evidently the lock	billh58	Aug 2013	#15

Response to 7962 (Original post)

Sat Aug 24, 2013, 11:40 AM

Archae (38,235 posts)

1. Well, that's the end of that escape.

I saw that the Arkansas guy who dove out through that window and ran to a waiting vehincle and his girlfriend have been caught in Florida.

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Response to 7962 (Original post)

Sat Aug 24, 2013, 11:40 AM

NutmegYankee (12,516 posts)

2. This may be too old for LBN

It happened last week.

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Response to NutmegYankee (Reply #2)

Sat Aug 24, 2013, 11:54 AM

7962 (9,413 posts)

3. My mistake. Dont know how I missed the date of the story.

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Response to 7962 (Original post)

Sat Aug 24, 2013, 12:03 PM

AnotherMcIntosh (11,064 posts)

4. Now let's hear the "gun-nut" attacks on the shotgun owning homeowner who saved his wife

and himself.

The Mauderlys had a shotgun in the house and eventually decided to retrieve it, Mortvedt said. Jerome Mauderly, 71, shot and killed Long in the couple's kitchen.

Let's hear from the take-away-guns-from-everyone advocates.

Let's hear from the guns-should-not-be-owned-for-self-defense-in-the-homes advocates.

Let's hear it from those who want to revive the 1993 AWB and expect different results in the next election. Let's hear it from those who want to disregard Bill Clinton's analysis:

In his book "My Life," in which he analyzed the loss of Congress to the Republicans in 1994, he wrote:
"Just before the House vote (on the crime bill), Speaker Tom Foley and majority leader Dick Gephardt had made a last-ditch appeal to me to remove the assault weapons ban from the bill. They argued that many Democrats who represented closely divided districts had already...defied the NRA once on the Brady bill vote. They said that if we made them walk the plank again on the assault weapons ban, the overall bill might not pass, and that if it did, many Democrats who voted for it would not survive the election in November. Jack Brooks, the House Judiciary Committee chairman from Texas, told me the same thing...Jack was convinced that if we didn't drop the ban, the NRA would beat a lot of Democrats by terrifying gun owners....Foley, Gephardt, and Brooks were right and I was wrong. The price...would be heavy casualties among its defenders." (Pages 611-612)

"On November 8, we got the living daylights beat out of us, losing eight Senate races and fifty-four House seats, the largest defeat for our party since 1946....The NRA had a great night. They beat both Speaker Tom Foley and Jack Brooks, two of the ablest members of Congress, who had warned me this would happen. Foley was the first Speaker to be defeated in more than a century. Jack Brooks had supported the NRA for years and had led the fight against the assault weapons ban in the House, but as chairman of the Judiciary Committee he had voted for the overall crime bill even after the ban was put into it. The NRA was an unforgiving master: one strike and you're out. The gun lobby claimed to have defeated nineteen of the twenty-four members on its hit list. They did at least that much damage...." (Pages 629-630)

http://www.gunshopfinder.com/legislativenews/clinton8_1_04.html

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Response to AnotherMcIntosh (Reply #4)

Sat Aug 24, 2013, 12:30 PM

Eleanors38 (18,318 posts)

5. We hear so much about "how we talk of guns has changed forever."

No it hasn't. The authoritarian gun controller/banner has changed little over the last 10, 20, 30 and more years. Same call for bans. Same call for more restrictions. Same culture war attacks. Same castigation of millions of Americans.

Yet these "activists" expect different results from the Same behavior. No Einsteins in that lot where nothing changes.

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Response to AnotherMcIntosh (Reply #4)

Sat Aug 24, 2013, 01:04 PM

bluedigger (15,068 posts)

6. The escapee armed himself with an unsecured handgun in a break-in.

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Response to 7962 (Original post)

Sat Aug 24, 2013, 01:11 PM

billh58 (5,576 posts)

7. The Gungeoneers predictably

jumped all over this story, but it's strange that no mention is made of how an escaped convict so easily obtained a gun in a home burglary. Most sane Americans are asking the same question, and until it's answered the senseless killing and maiming of innocent Americans will continue to become more common.

I'm glad that this particular story had a safe outcome for the victims, but the Gungeoneers only seem to see the "gunz are good" side of the picture. News flash: fewer and more tightly controlled guns would lead to fewer incidents where guns are necessary for self protection. Allowing the NRA and the gun manufacturers to flood the country with the unfettered proliferation of lethal weapons with little oversight and lax regulations is causing what amounts to an arms race with the criminals.

Most reasonable American gun owners agree with the need for tighter control and required responsibility for the purchase and storing of lethal weapons. Something as simple as a gun safe may have prevented this criminal from preying on an innocent couple.

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Response to billh58 (Reply #7)

Sat Aug 24, 2013, 02:03 PM

friendly_iconoclast (13,970 posts)

9. I give it 2 1/2 out of 4- not bad. You got most of the talking points

+6 for the use of 'sane', 'innocent', 'unfettered', 'lethal' (X2), 'reasonable', and 'Gungeoneers' (X2)

-4 for failing to use 'commonsense', 'slaughter', 'blood', and 'gun safety'

The use of "may" in the last sentence comes across as a little weaselly, IMO.

All in all, not bad and better than most anti-gun OPs. Don't forget to
review the study guides:

https://progressivemajorityaction.nationbuilder.com/assets/pages/64/Voicing_Our_Values-To_Curtail_Gun_Violence.pdf

http://www.progressivemajorityaction.org/sources_for_more_detailed_talking_points

so you'll be better ready the next time you face an audience that doesn't already agree with you.

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Response to friendly_iconoclast (Reply #9)

Sat Aug 24, 2013, 02:07 PM

petronius (25,910 posts)

13. No point for "proliferation"?

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Response to billh58 (Reply #7)

Sat Aug 24, 2013, 02:06 PM

NYC_SKP (68,644 posts)

11. Mr. Long was a dangerous man with or without that handgun.

Butcher knife or baseball bat or handgun, he was a menace and a threat and desperate evil man who got what he deserved.

Note that the bad guy broke into the house BEFORE getting the handgun.

You might want to blame the gun, but he was preying on them before he got the gun.

By the way, when I got off the Mokulele flight on Molokai guess what I saw? A couple there with rifle cases waiting for their plane, they must have been there for a boar hunt.

I had a wonderful time, they want me to come back. I have two appointments on Oahu in November and might make it over to Molokai.

I forgot which island you call home but if it's Oahu let me know if you want to get together.

Aloha!