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Thu Aug 22, 2013, 08:38 AM

 

Bradley Manning says he wants to live as a woman named Chelsea, begin hormone therapy.

Source: Washington Post

FORT MEADE, Md. — Bradley Manning plans to live as a woman named Chelsea and wants to begin hormone therapy as soon as possible, the soldier said Thursday, a day after being sentenced to 35 years in prison for sending classified material to WikiLeaks.

Manning announced the decision in a written statement provided to NBC’s “Today” show, asking supporters to refer to him by his new name and the feminine pronoun. The statement was signed “Chelsea E. Manning.”

“As I transition into this next phase of my life, I want everyone to know the real me. I am Chelsea Manning. I am a female. Given the way that I feel, and have felt since childhood, I want to begin hormone therapy as soon as possible,” the statement read.

Manning’s defense attorney David Coombs told “Today” in an interview that he is hoping officials at the military prison in Fort Leavenworth, Kan., will accommodate Manning’s request for hormone therapy.

Read more: Linkhttp://www.washingtonpost.com/national/bradley-manning-attorney-plans-new-tactics-in-fight-to-free-him-including-presidential-pardon/2013/08/22/a3739566-0b02-11e3-89fe-abb4a5067014_story.html to source

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Response to oberliner (Original post)

Thu Aug 22, 2013, 08:42 AM

1. ". . . the pursuit of happiness."

 

Like the man said.

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Response to oberliner (Original post)

Thu Aug 22, 2013, 08:44 AM

2. I thought this was from the Onion.

Not so, I guess.

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Response to TheCowsCameHome (Reply #2)

Thu Aug 22, 2013, 09:31 AM

10. That was my first thought as well. nt

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Response to TheCowsCameHome (Reply #2)

Thu Aug 22, 2013, 09:36 AM

11. I was really hoping it was

 

this will be totally used to discredit him even more...

You can only imagine the FauxNews assholes reporting this... ugh.

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Response to NoMoreWarNow (Reply #11)

Thu Aug 22, 2013, 09:41 AM

15. While I support her decision on this

this is poor timing in my opinion. It will only be used to discredit her, as you said.

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Response to Hayabusa (Reply #15)

Thu Aug 22, 2013, 09:51 AM

20. Agreed. Sadly.

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Response to Hayabusa (Reply #15)

Thu Aug 22, 2013, 10:44 AM

29. Yep, agree so much, the timing is really bad. n/t

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Response to Hayabusa (Reply #15)

Thu Aug 22, 2013, 11:34 AM

39. It is clear that Manning has been on the end of some very poor advice.

Starting with the apparent advice from Assange to download 750,00 files rather than select those that were relevant to his point.

Sadly he will have to bear the burden of it while the others that have profited or used him will not.

A different timing and different wording would have been in Manning's interest.

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Response to grantcart (Reply #39)

Thu Aug 22, 2013, 11:13 PM

134. SHE & HER are the proper pronouns when talking about a woman. I am sure you know that.

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Response to idwiyo (Reply #134)

Fri Aug 23, 2013, 03:45 AM

152. good catch thanks for bringing it to my attention.

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Response to Hayabusa (Reply #15)

Thu Aug 22, 2013, 12:02 PM

42. Not New




http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/8963582/Private-Bradley-Manning-wanted-to-call-himself-Breanna-on-Twitter-US-military-court-is-told.html

http://www.queerty.com/bradley-manning-to-transition-to-a-woman-i-am-chelsea-i-am-a-female-20130822/

"Manning’s gender identity disorder had been a central part of her defense, as she had hoped joining the military would in effect “cure” her. Previously, a photo of Manning dressed as a woman that she had sent to her superiors — illustrating what she deemed “my problem” — found its way onto the internet."

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Response to Hayabusa (Reply #15)

Thu Aug 22, 2013, 02:12 PM

67. I understand what prompts your concern but she can't control the timing, it's not a choice

I'm grateful for Chelsea that it's 2013 and not 1983 when my cousin killed himself during his transition because society was so vicious at the time.

I understand your concerns which I think come more from a fear she'll be attacked but every day she puts this off is intense psychological torture with a high risk of depression and a higher risk of suicide. The timing is only *bad* because it makes her more vulnerable to abuse in a homophobic military environment but where it's *good* is IF they allow her hormone therapy, it will help her be non-depressive and stay balanced.

If Chelsea were in a Federal Prison, she'd be better off because DOJ finally got around to writing some vague legislation for the Prison Rape Elimination Act of Congress passed 10 years ago. It vaguely states that, in order to eliminate prison rape, prison officials need to evaluate each transgender prisoner on a case by case basis and house them appropriately (to reduce prison rape). Their anatomy, pre or post op, and where they are in the transition have nothing to do with it, just their vulnerability to abuse and where they'd be safest. Unfortunately, this act doesn't extend to military prisons.

There's already a very determined and dedicated network in place to push the archaic military prison system for her.

The military has already flat out stated they won't accommodate this, much less hormone therapy and surgery, but they'll provide psychological and psychiatric counseling.

Thankfully her attorney, the LGBTQ network that has been supporting her since the beginning and the ACLU are on it.


Here is what the ACLU had to say this morning. It's only a brief statement for now but expect more.

ACLU statement on Chelsea Manning
Submitted by sosadmin on Thu, 08/22/2013 - 12:33

The following can be attributed to Chase Strangio, staff attorney with the ACLU's Lesbian Gay Bisexual and Transgender Project:

In response to Chelsea Manning's disclosure that she is female, has been diagnosed with gender dysphoria, and will be seeking hormone therapy as a part of her transition during her incarceration, public statements by military officials that the Army does not provide hormone therapy to treat gender dysphoria raise serious constitutional concerns. Gender dysphoria is a serious medical condition in which a person's gender identify does not correspond to his or her assigned sex at birth, and hormone therapy is part of the accepted standards of care for this condition. Without the necessary treatment, gender dysphoria can cause severe psychological distress, including anxiety and suicide. When the government holds individuals in its custody, it must provide them with medically necessary care.

The official policy of the Federal Bureau of Prisons and most state agencies is to provide medically necessary care for the treatment of gender dysphoria, and courts have consistently found that denying such care to prisoners based on blanket exclusions violates the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution.

http://www.privacysos.org/node/1157


The ACLU, her attorney and her LGBTQ network are already gearing up for a fight because gender reassignment surgery is now available to transgender inmates who did not begin treatment prior to entering federal custody (<<the link is to the prison memo).


Gender reassignment surgery, along with hormones and specialized mental health counseling is now available to transgender inmates who did not begin treatment prior to entering federal custody, The Associated Press reports.

The decision is based on new rules adopted by the U.S. Bureau of Prisons as part of a court settlement for inmate Vanessa Adams, formerly Nicholas Adams, who was diagnosed with gender identity disorder in 2005, and, after being denied treatment, tried to castrate herself with a razor and attempted to and ultimately succeeded in amputating her penis.

A May 31 memo issued to wardens at the nation's 116 federal prisons and made public by gay rights groups states: "current, accepted standards of care" will be applied to inmates who believe they are the wrong gender.

Under the bureau's previous policy, issued in 2005, only federal inmates with a preexisting diagnosis were eligible for transgender-related care, which was limited to treatments that would maintain them "only at the level of change which existed when they were incarcerated."

"The (new) treatment plan may include elements or services that were, or were not, provided prior to incarceration, including, but not limited to: those elements of real life experience consistent with the prison environment, hormone therapy and counseling," the memo from bureau medical director Newton Kendig states.

http://www.thirdage.com/news/surgery-while-in-prison-now-an-option-for-transgender-inmates_10-04-2011


Here's a press release from GLAD about the Sept 2011 policy change.

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Response to NoMoreWarNow (Reply #11)

Thu Aug 22, 2013, 02:46 PM

71. It's not as though it was a secret. And the proper pronoun to use is she.

Here's some educational materials for you:
http://www.glaad.org/reference/transgender

GLAAD's transgender media guide

NAMES, PRONOUN USAGE & DESCRIPTIONS

Always use a transgender person's chosen name. Often transgender people cannot afford a legal name change or are not yet old enough to change their name legally. They should be afforded the same respect for their chosen name as anyone else who lives by a name other than their birth name (e.g., celebrities).

Whenever possible, ask transgender people which pronoun they would like you to use. A person who identifies as a certain gender, whether or not that person has taken hormones or had some form of surgery, should be referred to using the pronouns appropriate for that gender.

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Response to oberliner (Original post)

Thu Aug 22, 2013, 08:59 AM

3. Will Manning be in a women's prison? ...

Interesting ...

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Response to Wernothelpless (Reply #3)

Thu Aug 22, 2013, 09:15 AM

6. I'm pretty sure Manning's "transition" will have to wait until parole

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Response to Blue_Tires (Reply #6)

Thu Aug 22, 2013, 10:27 PM

122. HER transition. Please, edit your post.

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Response to Wernothelpless (Reply #3)

Thu Aug 22, 2013, 09:16 AM

7. No, unless he gets to post-op

 

A pre-op transexual is still considered their original gender by the justice system. They dont switch until they have completed gender-reassignment surgery.

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Response to davidn3600 (Reply #7)

Thu Aug 22, 2013, 12:56 PM

55. But who pays for medical care?

 

The Eighth Amendment requires that prisoners be provided with adequate medical care. I don't see why the government, or taxpayers, should be required to pay for gender reassignment surgery, or hormone therapy. Manning should be required to wait until he is out of custody after being pardoned, paroled, or maxed out on his sentence.

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Response to djg21 (Reply #55)

Thu Aug 22, 2013, 02:10 PM

66. we the taxpayers pay for everything our Gov does or contacts for. Including heathcare, therapy,

mental health therapy (that I think Manning received for years, even before his troubles w/ the feds)Gender reassignment is not just final surgery. Hormone treatment is a part of the therapy and Manning has a right to it.

All the more reason for Obama to parden him with 'time served' . Because if it's a 'for profit' contractor taking 'taxpayer money'...you know any medicine will become a million a day tablet treatment.

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Response to Sunlei (Reply #66)

Thu Aug 22, 2013, 05:11 PM

95. "Hormone treatment is a part of the therapy and Manning has a right to it." Not according to the

military.
After he is done with his sentence so if he still wants to do the change in 20+/- years from now he will have to pay for it himself assuming he can get the cash together.

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Response to cstanleytech (Reply #95)

Thu Aug 22, 2013, 06:23 PM

103. not the surgery, the medication. The military can't discriminate anymore.

won't be 20+ years. right now it's about 7 years with goodtime.

I'm sure a lot of people (me included) who will keep asking for a pardon. I feel he was punished enough, especially with the harsh treatment he got in the beginning.

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Response to Sunlei (Reply #103)

Thu Aug 22, 2013, 08:06 PM

109. Considering he is male atm though they will probably

say that such hormone treatments are purely elective on his part and refuse to cover it because its not something deemed a medical necessity like say heart surgery and or treatment for cancer would be.

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Response to cstanleytech (Reply #109)

Thu Aug 22, 2013, 10:40 PM

126. She is a female, not male. Below is a link to the article from WHO with some basic info.

You are welcome.

Gender and Genetics

http://www.who.int/genomics/gender/en/index1.html

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Response to idwiyo (Reply #126)

Thu Aug 22, 2013, 11:23 PM

135. Far as the military is concerned he is a he, what "he" does after he serves his sentence

is none of their concern.

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Response to cstanleytech (Reply #135)

Thu Aug 22, 2013, 11:35 PM

137. What military believes has nothing to do with how one should address Chelsea. She is a woman,

she asked to be addressed as such. You for some strange reason keep using male pronouns when talking about her.
Even after you were provided with basic info about Gender and Genetics.
Any reason why other than bigotry and transphobia?

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Response to idwiyo (Reply #137)

Fri Aug 23, 2013, 12:42 AM

145. I am explaining what I believe the military is probably going to do idwiyo

and why thus its entirely relevant to the case in point.
I may of course be wrong and the military will in time allow the stuff like hormone therapy to go forward but I wouldnt bet any money on it.

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Response to cstanleytech (Reply #145)

Fri Aug 23, 2013, 12:52 AM

146. Sorry if I misunderstood you.

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Response to davidn3600 (Reply #7)

Thu Aug 22, 2013, 03:00 PM

74. That changed just last year in Federal Prisons

There's been some Congressional/DOJ progress which unfortunately doesn't seem to apply to military prisons yet. The ACLU and her attorney are going to deal with that disparity. I put a little more information in post 67.

Facilities must screen all individuals at admission and upon transfer to assess their risk of experiencing
or perpetrating abuse, including identifying those who may be at risk because of their transgender
status, gender nonconformity, sexual orientation, or intersex condition. The individual’s own perception
of their vulnerability must also be considered.

...

Housing transgender people


Decisions about where a transgender person, or a person with an intersex condition, is housed must
be made on a case-by-case basis; they cannot be made solely on the basis of a person’s anatomy or
gender assigned at birth. This means that, for example, every transgender woman must be assessed
individually to determine whether she would be best housed with other women instead of in a men’s
facility. An individual’s views regarding their personal safety must be seriously considered.

These decisions must be reassessed at least twice per year to consider changed circumstances such
as incidents of abuse or changes in an individual’s appearance or medical treatment.

All transgender people and people with intersex conditions must be given the opportunity to shower
separately from other inmates if they wish, regardless of where they are housed.

...

http://nicic.gov/Library/026361

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Response to davidn3600 (Reply #7)

Thu Aug 22, 2013, 10:29 PM

124. SHE is a proper pronoun to use when one talks about a woman. Unless one is a transphobic bigot.

Please, edit your post.

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Response to Wernothelpless (Reply #3)

Thu Aug 22, 2013, 12:52 PM

52. I work as a nurse in a county jail not far from Leavenworth Kansas

Though not a federal prison if an inmate comes into our facility already on hormone therapy - male or female we continue that therapy for the duration of their stay.

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Response to Wernothelpless (Reply #3)

Thu Aug 22, 2013, 06:51 PM

106. The US Disciplinary Barracks (where Manning is going) is for male prisoners only

Female Defense Department prisoners go to the Naval Consolidated Brig, Miramar, Calif.

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Response to oberliner (Original post)

Thu Aug 22, 2013, 09:09 AM

4. A mixed-up young man

 

who ruined his life with some bad decisions. Very sad.

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Response to tabasco (Reply #4)

Thu Aug 22, 2013, 09:14 AM

5. Bullshit. n/t

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Response to loudsue (Reply #5)

Thu Aug 22, 2013, 11:06 AM

32. Thank-you!

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Response to tabasco (Reply #4)

Thu Aug 22, 2013, 09:16 AM

8. So he should have kept quiet and let the war criminals continue their fun and games unimpeded?

 

Most of us around here have a different opinion about that.

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Response to RC (Reply #8)

Thu Aug 22, 2013, 12:25 PM

46. Oh well, I better change my opinion based on what the mob wants!

 

We must reward our intelligence analysts who give away top-secret documents. Yay!

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Response to tabasco (Reply #46)

Thu Aug 22, 2013, 12:27 PM

47. Or expose domestic law breakers in our government.

 

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Response to RC (Reply #47)

Thu Aug 22, 2013, 10:52 PM

130. And which lawbreakers are those? Surely you don't mean our president.

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Response to Pterodactyl (Reply #130)

Thu Aug 22, 2013, 11:29 PM

136. Do war crimes count, or not?

 

That's not domestic though - yet, that I know of. I am concerned about the people running the NSA's unconstitutional and illegal spying network. General Alexander, Glen Clapper, etc. Also include some the people the Obama has appointed to various agencies. You know, Republicans that served in the bu$h administration.

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Response to RC (Reply #136)

Fri Aug 23, 2013, 01:03 AM

147. I like how you called him "the Obama".

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Response to RC (Reply #136)

Fri Aug 23, 2013, 08:37 AM

163. That was a typo I didn't catch, from rewording the sentence.

 

Nothing more.

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Response to tabasco (Reply #46)

Fri Aug 23, 2013, 12:32 AM

144. why would you do that? you don't change your opinion to what he says about his gender

at least you're a consistent ignoramus.

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Response to tabasco (Reply #4)

Thu Aug 22, 2013, 09:25 AM

9. Bad decisions??? ....

Yes, of course. He should have kept his effing mouth shut about how we kill journalists and rescuers and children.

Sometimes I don't believe what I read on this site.

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Response to truth2power (Reply #9)

Fri Aug 23, 2013, 07:22 AM

157. The choice of name seems like a bad decision to me

Especially since Hillary Clinton is already pissed at Manning for embarassing her. This has got to seal it, Manning has no chance of release during any time of a Clinton administration.

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Response to tabasco (Reply #4)

Thu Aug 22, 2013, 09:39 AM

13. unlike the soldiers in the Apache helicopter

those guys had it all together.

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Response to tabasco (Reply #4)

Thu Aug 22, 2013, 10:50 AM

30. WikiLeaks Reveals That Military Contractors Have Not Lost Their Taste For Child Prostitutes

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/12/08/wikileaks-reveals-that-mi_n_793816.html

WikiLeaks: Texas Company Helped Pimp Little Boys To Stoned Afghan Cops
http://blogs.houstonpress.com/hairballs/2010/12/wikileaks_texas_company_helped.php

FYI its been years since Manning blew that case wide open and still no prosecution for it. Yet Manning is in jail.

Just wanted to make sure you understood what side you were on.

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Response to Ash_F (Reply #30)

Thu Aug 22, 2013, 10:42 PM

127. Thank you for posting this.

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Response to tabasco (Reply #4)

Thu Aug 22, 2013, 11:17 AM

34. Bullshit

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Response to tabasco (Reply #4)

Thu Aug 22, 2013, 11:35 AM

40. But if he had gone to Iraq and strafed a bunch of children from an Apache

You'd probably be calling him a hero and somebody very brave. But expose war crimes and have a sex change? He's one mixed up young man.

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Response to tabasco (Reply #4)

Thu Aug 22, 2013, 03:42 PM

82. And that's a very biased account of the situation.

For one thing, people undergoing treatment - as Manning is - for gender dysphoria aren't "mixed-up." They know what has to be done to make them happy, whole people, and they're doing it.

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Response to tabasco (Reply #4)

Thu Aug 22, 2013, 06:06 PM

101. What do you mean by "mixed up"?

 

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Response to morningfog (Reply #101)

Thu Aug 22, 2013, 08:30 PM

114. It's very likely that someone who was just sentenced to 35 years in prison

 

is under a great deal of stress. Stress, disappointment and grief often cloud a person's judgment. Pronouncements like this immediately following an extremely stressful event are often recanted.

HOPE IT HELPS!

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Response to tabasco (Reply #114)

Thu Aug 22, 2013, 09:07 PM

116. You think stress causes gender identity?

 

Can you give an example of a time that such an announcement was recanted, since it happens often?

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Response to tabasco (Reply #114)

Thu Aug 22, 2013, 09:16 PM

117. Try to keep up ...

you really look foolish.

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Response to tabasco (Reply #114)

Thu Aug 22, 2013, 10:45 PM

128. Below is a link to info about Gender Identity Disorder. I hope you read it and apologise for your

ignorance after you educate yourself.

Gender and Genetics
http://www.who.int/genomics/gender/en/index1.html

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Response to tabasco (Reply #4)

Thu Aug 22, 2013, 06:55 PM

107. I think you are the one who is mixed up

Anyone who thinks being transgendered makes someone "mixed-up" is a bigot.

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Response to Bjorn Against (Reply #107)

Thu Aug 22, 2013, 10:28 PM

123. Did you see the poster predict a renouncement?

 

It's all just stress and pressure, ya know.

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Response to morningfog (Reply #123)

Thu Aug 22, 2013, 10:32 PM

125. I missed that, but wow. Just wow.

The idea that someone would decide to go through a sex change just because they are under stress is just plain absurd.

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Response to Bjorn Against (Reply #107)

Thu Aug 22, 2013, 10:45 PM

129. A bigot or ignorant?

 

Couldn't it be the latter?

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Response to oberliner (Reply #129)

Fri Aug 23, 2013, 03:06 AM

151. Someone who is ignorant can be taught and can learn.

A bigot can be taught and still refuses to learn.

Ignorance is forgivable and workable, actually. Someone who was merely ignorant would take the education being laid out before them and try to learn from it, and maybe even apologize.

Bigotry is not forgivable. Someone who is a bigot refuses to learn, cops an attitude about being taught a little basic info, labels themselves as "the enemy" to the LGBT community and sometimes threatens to withdraw "support" for the community. They usually make numerous rude comments in other threads and sulk for a long time after being partially educated. We see that a lot here on DU.

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Response to tabasco (Reply #4)

Fri Aug 23, 2013, 02:01 AM

149. Projection?

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Response to oberliner (Original post)

Thu Aug 22, 2013, 09:37 AM

12. Does any know if military prisons are required to provide gender reassignment treatment to

prisoners? I've done a couple of searches and can't find any info. I know some inmates in state prisons receive treatment.

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Response to mulsh (Reply #12)

Thu Aug 22, 2013, 09:43 AM

16. According to the new reports this am and comments for her lawyer

The military is not required to do so. I believe the attorney says he is going to press the issue with the military. Some others have commented that perhaps he could be moved to federal prison where it has been done.

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Response to mulsh (Reply #12)

Thu Aug 22, 2013, 09:45 AM

17. No, they're not.

MSNBC just issued a statement that said there will be no hormone therapy provided by the military. I was a Navy nurse for 22 years, never saw a case where the military provided that service to anyone, active duty, retired, or dependent.

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Response to dgibby (Reply #17)

Thu Aug 22, 2013, 10:02 AM

23. Veterans Admin does provide HRT for retired

 

http://www.va.gov/vhapublications/ViewPublication.asp?pub_ID=2863


1. PURPOSE: This Veterans Health Administration (VHA) Directive establishes policy
regarding the respectful delivery of health care to transgender and intersex Veterans who are enrolled in the Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) health care system or are otherwise eligible for VA care.
2. BACKGROUND: In accordance with the medical benefits package (title 38 Code of Federal Regulations (CFR) section 17.38), VA provides care and treatment to Veterans that is compatible with generally accepted standards of medical practice and determined by appropriate health care professionals to promote, preserve, or restore the health of the individual.
a. VA provides health care for transgender patients, including those who present at various points on their transition from one gender to the next. This applies to all Veterans who are enrolled in VA’s health care system or are otherwise eligible for VA care, including those who have had sex reassignment surgery outside of VHA, those who might be considering such surgical intervention, and those who do not wish to undergo sex reassignment surgery but self identify as transgender. Intersex individuals may or may not have interest in changing gender or in acting in ways that are discordant with their assigned gender.
b. VA does not provide sex reassignment surgery or plastic reconstructive surgery for
strictly cosmetic purposes.

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Response to sgsmith (Reply #23)

Thu Aug 22, 2013, 10:13 AM

24. Manning is being dishonorably discharged.

People who are dishonorably discharged are not considered veterans and are not entitled to veterans' benefits.

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Response to mulsh (Reply #12)

Thu Aug 22, 2013, 09:46 AM

18. Good question. At the very least I suspect that there will be powerful forces

trying to stop Manning from getting any such treatment while in a military prison.

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Response to oberliner (Original post)

Thu Aug 22, 2013, 09:39 AM

14. Good for her.

Nice move.

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Response to oberliner (Original post)

Thu Aug 22, 2013, 09:49 AM

19. I thought that picture of him they released at the trial was kind of cute.

And I'm straight as they come.

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Response to bemildred (Reply #19)

Thu Aug 22, 2013, 01:52 PM

60. Manning is a straight female

She might have been born a male, but she identifies as a female that is attracted to men.

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Response to FreeState (Reply #60)

Thu Aug 22, 2013, 01:57 PM

63. I know that. And I know I have to start calling her "her" too.

But it might take a day or two to make it automatic. It's in transition, like she said.

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Response to bemildred (Reply #63)

Thu Aug 22, 2013, 01:58 PM

65. :) It will be a transition for all of us

Hopefully some day it won't be all that unusual or new.

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Response to FreeState (Reply #65)

Thu Aug 22, 2013, 02:16 PM

68. I've worked with trans people before, twenty years ago. No problem.

I think Mannings coming out like this could have a formative effect on the future, but I fear for "her" too.

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Response to oberliner (Original post)

Thu Aug 22, 2013, 09:53 AM

21. Interesting... the apologies, sexual reassignment/hormone therapy, many things to discredit Manning

Perhaps this is just the PTB impressing upon others what they can do to someone with torture.

Remember, torture is NOT done to obtain information. It is done to change someone's story, or create new ones.

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Response to salib (Reply #21)

Thu Aug 22, 2013, 10:28 AM

26. Yes. Also, by changing genders, he is threatening to undercut

 

all the work they've put into demonizing "Bradley".

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Response to oberliner (Original post)

Thu Aug 22, 2013, 09:59 AM

22. Why would he want to name himself after a football club ?



Don't really see him as one of a their Headhunters.

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Response to dipsydoodle (Reply #22)

Thu Aug 22, 2013, 12:22 PM

45. 'cause Mourinho's back? n/t

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Response to VWolf (Reply #45)

Thu Aug 22, 2013, 02:50 PM

72. Great answer

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Response to dipsydoodle (Reply #22)

Fri Aug 23, 2013, 08:27 AM

162. Because "Young Boys" isn't quite applicable anymore...

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Response to oberliner (Original post)

Thu Aug 22, 2013, 10:27 AM

25. What is this, Mayberry RFD?

 

Or maybe just a slow news day at the Washington Post?

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Response to oberliner (Original post)

Thu Aug 22, 2013, 10:33 AM

27. I wish Manning well and

 

fuck Fox News or anyone who will make fun of her.

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Response to Whisp (Reply #27)

Fri Aug 23, 2013, 07:58 AM

161. Ive seen more bad taste here on DU now than anything from Fox

 

Hard to believe with this site being what it is. I read elsewhere on another thread about some rough comments and had to see for myself here.

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Response to oberliner (Original post)

Thu Aug 22, 2013, 10:44 AM

28. And who's paying for this procedure?

let me guess...

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Response to SummerSnow (Reply #28)

Thu Aug 22, 2013, 10:56 AM

31. What is your point?

Really.

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Response to enlightenment (Reply #31)

Thu Aug 22, 2013, 11:24 AM

36. Yeah, I'd like to know, too

Just what WAS the point of that post?

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Response to SummerSnow (Reply #28)

Thu Aug 22, 2013, 11:29 AM

37. Hopefully, if his lawyer is successful the US gov't

Are you opposed to that?

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Response to maddezmom (Reply #37)

Thu Aug 22, 2013, 11:32 AM

38. I am. Why should the tax payers pick up the tab?

if he wants to live his life as Chelsea instead of Bradley in his mind that's his choice.

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Response to Bacchus4.0 (Reply #38)

Thu Aug 22, 2013, 11:49 AM

41. Hmmm, I don't believe it is a choice any more than being gay is a choice

He is some background info:

Why is this the prison's problem?

Doctors who treat transgender people and advocates who lobby on their behalf say that inmates are legally entitled to health care while incarcerated -- including services for gender identity issues.

“Treatment for people with severe gender dysphoria is medically necessary,” said Dr. Sherman Leis of the Philadelphia Center for Transgender Surgery, who performs sex-change operations three days a week.

Just as diabetics need insulin and people with heart problems need surgery, inmates with gender identity-related health problems require the most appropriate treatment, said Mara Keisling, executive director of the National Center for Transgender Equality.

“This is America; we do not deny prisoners health care,” Keisling said. “What happens if they break a leg while they’re in custody? What happens if they develop schizophrenia? It is illegal to withhold those treatments.”

http://t.nbcnews.com/health/beginning-gender-change-prison-long-shot-6C10974050

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Response to maddezmom (Reply #41)

Thu Aug 22, 2013, 12:03 PM

43. Gay people aren't medically treated for being gay

if Manning is a woman in a male's body then that is what he is.

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Response to Bacchus4.0 (Reply #43)

Thu Aug 22, 2013, 12:09 PM

44. It is not a choice was my point

Did you not read this part?

“Treatment for people with severe gender dysphoria is medically necessary,” said Dr. Sherman Leis of the Philadelphia Center for Transgender Surgery, who performs sex-change operations three days a week.

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Response to maddezmom (Reply #44)

Thu Aug 22, 2013, 12:28 PM

48. and my point is if that is who he is then that is who he is

and there is no obligation from the US taxpayer to pay for treatment beyond the physical and psychological problems that all of us have or may experience.

If I had a psychological condition where I was believed or felt I was a bunny rabbit, should the government be obliged to make me one?

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Response to Bacchus4.0 (Reply #48)

Thu Aug 22, 2013, 12:56 PM

54. Your disgusting transphobic comments really need to stop now.

You have made it abundantly clear that you believe this is some sort of mental affliction.

Please stop posting this ugliness.

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Response to enlightenment (Reply #54)

Thu Aug 22, 2013, 01:03 PM

56. oh please, get lost

The tax payer has no responsibility to make Manning appear to be a female. Once he gets out of prison he can undergo the physical procedures of outward transformation at his own expense.

When did I say its a mental affliction? I said if he is a woman in a man's body then that is who he is. I never said he needed to be treated psychologically for that.

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Response to Bacchus4.0 (Reply #56)

Thu Aug 22, 2013, 01:12 PM

57. Bull.

Who the hell do you think you're kidding?

In addition to inferring (do look up the word, champ) that Manning suffers from a mental disorder, you have now doubled down with "make Manning appear to be a female".

SHE is female and your comments are disgusting.

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Response to enlightenment (Reply #57)

Thu Aug 22, 2013, 01:27 PM

59. then since she is a female there is no reason to pursue medical treatment is there?

which has been my point the entire time.

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Response to enlightenment (Reply #57)

Thu Aug 22, 2013, 02:37 PM

69. Bacchus is being purposefully offensive but he does have a point. n/t

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Response to SylviaD (Reply #69)

Thu Aug 22, 2013, 02:41 PM

70. Which would be what?

If his only point is that he, as a taxpayer, doesn't want to fund her reassignment surgery then he could say it without being purposefully offensive.

IF that was his point.

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Response to enlightenment (Reply #70)

Thu Aug 22, 2013, 04:44 PM

89. I was not being purposefully offensive, and I do not believe that reassignment surgery

should be paid by the taxpayer. Ms. Manning will have to remain the person she is for the time being, not the person she wants to be IMO.

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Response to Bacchus4.0 (Reply #89)

Thu Aug 22, 2013, 06:36 PM

105. We agree on the substance of your post, but I can't help thinking you are slyly baiting. n/t

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Response to Bacchus4.0 (Reply #56)

Thu Aug 22, 2013, 04:59 PM

92. Agreed, what if a busty woman born in a flat chested body, should the gov't pay for that?

Or what about a man with a small penis who feels he should have been born hung? You are right that there is nothing wrong with this person being trans or whatever, but the government should not pay for that.

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Response to bamacrat (Reply #92)

Thu Aug 22, 2013, 05:12 PM

96. agreed, a much better analogy

it is essentially an elective process to transform oneself physically. And frankly, if one believes that you need a physical transformation and/or need to take substances to become what you think you are, then maybe you really aren't that to begin with.
Being satisfied or dissastisfied with how you look isn't the same as being what you are.







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Response to Bacchus4.0 (Reply #96)

Thu Aug 22, 2013, 06:16 PM

102. You honestly don't understand it at all, do you?

Please educate yourself - or not, as you please - but don't continue trying to defend your position from a perspective of ignorance.

You may not be deliberately trying to look like ugly, but that's the effect.

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Response to Bacchus4.0 (Reply #96)

Thu Aug 22, 2013, 06:35 PM

104. Bacchus and Bamacrat are basically correct in their point IMO, but they could use more tact. n/t

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Response to enlightenment (Reply #54)

Thu Aug 22, 2013, 01:55 PM

62. +1

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Response to enlightenment (Reply #54)

Thu Aug 22, 2013, 02:52 PM

73. A jury let it stand 2-4.

This is not a good day.

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Response to Luminous Animal (Reply #73)

Thu Aug 22, 2013, 03:40 PM

81. I alerted it.

= (

I'm sorry to all the trans people who have to read this offensive nonsense.

I'm also sorry that so many "democrats" think hateful bigoted speech towards you is OK. These last few days have been very telling when it comes to LGBT acceptance on this board.

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Response to ForgoTheConsequence (Reply #81)

Thu Aug 22, 2013, 04:22 PM

86. This isn't the first time I've seen it.

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Response to ForgoTheConsequence (Reply #81)

Fri Aug 23, 2013, 05:09 AM

153. Oh please get over your self-rightous name calling

 

Stating that government tax money should not be used for hormone therapy is not bigoted. The LGBT community is way over the top on this issue. It drives away people who support gay rights.

Do murderers or rapists get hormone therapy?

What about all the people who want lobster in prison?

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Response to DontTreadOnMe (Reply #153)

Fri Aug 23, 2013, 07:28 AM

158. Can you explain how posting on a anon. message board drives away supporters of LGBT rights??

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Response to Luminous Animal (Reply #73)

Thu Aug 22, 2013, 08:20 PM

113. Sick. Please, forward your alert to Skinner. This is pure bigotry and should never be allowed on DU.

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Response to idwiyo (Reply #113)

Thu Aug 22, 2013, 09:07 PM

115. I clicked the TOS violation so presumably they will see it.

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Response to Luminous Animal (Reply #115)

Thu Aug 22, 2013, 09:40 PM

119. Not sure admins will see it if it was allowed to stand. If you have a look at the results of the

alert in your inbox (open the message), on the bottom there should be 'alert abuse' option. That would send it directly to admins. I beleive there will be an option for you to explain why you are asking admin to look at it.

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Response to idwiyo (Reply #119)

Thu Aug 22, 2013, 10:19 PM

120. I wasn't the first to alert. I only received the summary of the results of the original alert

There is an option to alert those results. I'll have to think about how to word it. Thanks for the suggestion!

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Response to Luminous Animal (Reply #120)

Thu Aug 22, 2013, 10:24 PM

121. You are welcome. I hope admins will not let this bigoted BS slide. This is sick beyond beleif.

Good luck and thank you for alerting.

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Response to Bacchus4.0 (Reply #48)

Thu Aug 22, 2013, 04:38 PM

88. When people are incarcerated it is the moral and legal obligation of the

government that is doing the incarcerating, in this case the federal government, to provide necessary health care to inmates. If doctors conclude that Manning requires treatment for the sake of his health then it should be paid for just like they would treat him for cancer or anything else.

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Response to totodeinhere (Reply #88)

Thu Aug 22, 2013, 04:47 PM

90. May be true for civilian life, but not so for military life

 

Basically, a civilian could transition, undergoing hormone replacement therapy and gender surgery. If, after transition, the civilian was jailed, the government does become responsible for their health care.

But the military is a strange case, seeing how the military "owns" your body once you enlist. That's one of the precepts that allows them to send a soldier off to war - they own you and do with you what they want.

Ms Manning is still part of the Army, although as a convicted soldier, so the Army's ownership claim is still in place. And the services consider that a physical transition is damaging to their property.

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Response to sgsmith (Reply #90)

Thu Aug 22, 2013, 05:28 PM

98. The military should have no right to override morality.

It is simply immoral and wrong to deny medically necessary treatment whether the military "owns" their enlistees or not. If it is the military's policy to deny treatment then that policy needs to be changed even if it requires a direct order from the commander in chief.

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Response to totodeinhere (Reply #88)

Thu Aug 22, 2013, 05:01 PM

93. necessary care absolutely. But many inmates' health would benefit from being freed from prison

The state is not going to do that, just like they are not going to perform any medical procedure requested by the inmates to satisfy them emotionally.

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Response to totodeinhere (Reply #88)

Thu Aug 22, 2013, 05:06 PM

94. True, but not becoming a woman will not kill him. n/t

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Response to bamacrat (Reply #94)

Thu Aug 22, 2013, 05:25 PM

97. There is a higher threshold than that. Inmates should be given treatment deemed necessary

by a physician in order to maintain good health, not just to keep them alive.

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Response to totodeinhere (Reply #97)

Thu Aug 22, 2013, 05:29 PM

99. Agreed, however there are more cases of necessary mental health interaction needed than his.

It seems odd that this comes out now (No pun), had the defense used this in some way to show the mental turmoil he may have been going through ok. But there are really mental health issues in our prison system that should be addressed before Bradley is made into a woman. Let his family pay for it if it is that pressing a matter.

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Response to Bacchus4.0 (Reply #48)

Thu Aug 22, 2013, 08:08 PM

110. This post is disgusting in its naked bigotry against transgender man and women. Sick.

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Response to Bacchus4.0 (Reply #48)

Thu Aug 22, 2013, 10:55 PM

132. 10 hours later.

And this is still here? I've been forceful with my words before (never racist, homophobic or trans-phobic) and have gotten very prompt very stern messages from moderators. If bigotry is allowed to stand, it's going to send a message to our LGBT members.

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Response to Bacchus4.0 (Reply #38)

Thu Aug 22, 2013, 03:35 PM

80. Because Fed. Courts have ruled denying treatment is torture.

7th Court of Appeals, Wisconsin anti-trans law struck down. State cannot deny inmates medical treatment, including HRT for trans individuals.

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Response to Bacchus4.0 (Reply #38)

Fri Aug 23, 2013, 12:10 AM

143. Should taxpayers pick up the tab for breast removal?

Due to cancer?

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Response to SummerSnow (Reply #28)

Thu Aug 22, 2013, 12:52 PM

53. I would rather my tax dollars go to help Chelsea than fly around the Presidents dogs

See how THAT RW slam works?

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Response to oberliner (Original post)

Thu Aug 22, 2013, 11:06 AM

33. Maybe this is a way to avoid the male persecution

 

and get into a safer womens wing.

Sadly I fear he will be dead shortly after arriving at Leavenworth.

Suicide from abuse or murder.

It's not safe to be in prison in America.

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Response to SCVDem (Reply #33)

Thu Aug 22, 2013, 12:35 PM

50. He should have said he was gay to begin with.

My son went to jail for a couple of weeks on a misdemeanor. He told the police he was gay so that he wouldn't have to be locked up with male inmates (he wasn't gay). They put him in with the women. I had to go to court at his hearing and he was herded in the women prisoners.

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Response to RebelOne (Reply #50)

Fri Aug 23, 2013, 12:05 AM

141. Their gender identification questions have been public since Adrian Lamo.

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Response to oberliner (Original post)

Thu Aug 22, 2013, 12:29 PM

49. Keeping an open mind

We are children of a universe made through some kind of creation that is fine tuned. Many agree it is a God that exists however, God speed has a different time line than humanity of today. We the people or the person may choose a life style towards that infinity in time. This could be what Manning is doing, considering how the current culture is so screwed up might as well work through that personal dream called a free will.

From my view again a whole lot of courage with a lot of speculation is within this path of life as a transgender. Would it be a simple reward from the divine works of life with expert help in medical technology that Manning could very well have a chance to transform into the Diva many would admire, justice turned around into personal gift by a personal decision.

If the Constitution really works plus if the technology exists a person should be able to make a choice as the new millennium turns, so does humanity. We should be able to ascend in any direction. Just one thing the decider must beware! There are consequences in written or unwritten laws of man and nature that if violated could take on a journey that is not reversible or will not stay within the limits of humanity as we now know it. The risk in undermined. The reward can be unlimited.

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Response to oberliner (Original post)

Thu Aug 22, 2013, 12:45 PM

51. Best wishes to her...

...if only "Scooter" Libby were in prison and Manning not...

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Response to Mike Nelson (Reply #51)

Thu Aug 22, 2013, 09:32 PM

118. That one's on the president, not the system

 

Libby was sentenced to 30 months in prison. He would have had to serve it had Bush not commuted it. But he would have been out by 2010 even if he had done the full term.

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Response to oberliner (Original post)

Thu Aug 22, 2013, 01:13 PM

58. How Will This Be Handled?

 

This surely is one courageous person making such a declaration when prison populations are his future.

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Response to oberliner (Original post)

Thu Aug 22, 2013, 01:53 PM

61. Some of these responses are terribly sad.

The amount of Transphobia in this thread is heartbreaking. I knew I shouldn't have clicked this.

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Response to ForgoTheConsequence (Reply #61)

Thu Aug 22, 2013, 01:57 PM

64. +1 n/t

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Response to ForgoTheConsequence (Reply #61)

Thu Aug 22, 2013, 03:17 PM

75. There is a depressing amount of ignorance being spewed today.

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Response to ForgoTheConsequence (Reply #61)

Thu Aug 22, 2013, 04:15 PM

85. They will attack anyone or anything to defend this administration

They have shown their true colors.

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Response to ForgoTheConsequence (Reply #61)

Thu Aug 22, 2013, 08:10 PM

111. +1

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Response to ForgoTheConsequence (Reply #61)

Thu Aug 22, 2013, 11:59 PM

140. Can't believe the people thinking her gender identification is a bad thing.

Some people even think there's something wrong with it and that it can bring shame or discredit her. There was one OP when her pictures were first released which was just utterly appalled that she would release such pictures, as if it would damage her image. Disgraceful.

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Response to oberliner (Original post)

Thu Aug 22, 2013, 03:17 PM

76. I wish Manning the best!

 

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Response to oberliner (Original post)

Thu Aug 22, 2013, 03:20 PM

77. I wish her well, and I hope she doesn't have serve her whole sentence.

Her treatment has been absurd, in my opinion.

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Response to ZombieHorde (Reply #77)

Thu Aug 22, 2013, 03:43 PM

83. Same here. On all counts. n/t

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Response to oberliner (Original post)

Thu Aug 22, 2013, 03:22 PM

78. Manning really needs to start thinking about some deal-making. nt

 

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Response to msanthrope (Reply #78)

Thu Aug 22, 2013, 11:51 PM

139. Manning is not going to make any deals.

It's done and over with and they seem at peace with how things went down.

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Response to joshcryer (Reply #139)

Fri Aug 23, 2013, 04:26 PM

164. It ain't done 'til the grand jury sitting in the rocket docket says it's over.

 

If Manning want to get to Butner, there's a pretty quick way to do that.

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Response to oberliner (Original post)

Thu Aug 22, 2013, 03:30 PM

79. Beautiful.

 

i'm loving it.

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Response to oberliner (Original post)

Thu Aug 22, 2013, 03:45 PM

84. Good luck Chelsea.

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Response to oberliner (Original post)

Thu Aug 22, 2013, 04:38 PM

87. Okay............

just when I thought things couldn't get any stranger............. now this! He's setting himself ( or herself) up for a big time problem if military prison for a prolonged period of time is in the cards. The harassment will be relentless.

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Response to oberliner (Original post)

Thu Aug 22, 2013, 04:53 PM

91. This whole story gets weirder by the moment

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Response to WhoWoodaKnew (Reply #91)

Thu Aug 22, 2013, 05:56 PM

100. How is this story weird?

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Response to WhoWoodaKnew (Reply #91)

Thu Aug 22, 2013, 10:53 PM

131. I agree.

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Response to oberliner (Original post)

Thu Aug 22, 2013, 07:08 PM

108. Bad timing? When would be better?

I don't think I've ever commented on Manning before. Regardless of what anyone thinks about any of the rest of it, I can't quite understand why people on a progressive board seem to be suggesting that Manning should wait even one more day to start living her life as the person she feels she truly is. The trial is over and if she's going to fight to receive hormone therapy, she might as well start now. If I had 8-35 years of imprisonment ahead of me and felt as she does, I would do the same. What else will she have in the years ahead but her own self, her identity, and her body? It's a bleak existence and I wish her all the happiness she can find.

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Response to Nine (Reply #108)

Thu Aug 22, 2013, 11:40 PM

138. Very well said.

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Response to oberliner (Original post)

Thu Aug 22, 2013, 08:18 PM

112. My best wishes to Chelsea. I would also like to apologise to all transgender man and women

for ignorance and bigotry of some of the posters here.

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Response to oberliner (Original post)

Thu Aug 22, 2013, 11:06 PM

133. I support Chelsea

Good luck with becoming the woman you want to be.

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Response to oberliner (Original post)

Fri Aug 23, 2013, 12:07 AM

142. Kudo's to Wikipedia for diligence on Chelsea Manning's Wikipedia page.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chelsea_Manning

Lots of editing and warring done there.

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Response to oberliner (Original post)

Fri Aug 23, 2013, 01:05 AM

148. Help me out here. In what sense is Manning "a female"?

He has not been on hormones, hasn't had any surgery, has not even had a name change. Is a press release enough to make it official?

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Response to Pterodactyl (Reply #148)

Fri Aug 23, 2013, 02:54 AM

150. legally I don't think so.

He wouldn't be eligible for hormone treatment while he is in custody because he wasn't taking it when he was first incarcerated.

But he is still eligible for ither considerations as far as the post conviction classification process goes,

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Response to Niceguy1 (Reply #150)

Fri Aug 23, 2013, 05:18 AM

154. DU is slipping over the edge... people are being called Transphobic for following the law

 

You can't make demands AFTER you get sentenced to prison, especially in military court.

I am tired of the whiners who think they are above the law.

And how ironic that they call for the "war criminals" to be put in jail... I guess they feel some prisoners deserve special treatment.

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Response to DontTreadOnMe (Reply #154)

Fri Aug 23, 2013, 05:33 AM

155. tell me about it.

Its crazy.... to be labeled as a hater cause you think something shouldn't be provided for free is absurd.

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Response to DontTreadOnMe (Reply #154)

Fri Aug 23, 2013, 07:30 AM

159. Some of us think prisoners deserve Medical treatment

Not special treatment.

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Response to oberliner (Original post)

Fri Aug 23, 2013, 06:08 AM

156. they broke him pretty well..

 

yikes.

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Response to Alamuti Lotus (Reply #156)

Mon Aug 26, 2013, 08:25 AM

165. What does this mean exactly?

 

Can you elaborate?

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Response to oberliner (Original post)

Fri Aug 23, 2013, 07:37 AM

160. I'm happy for her that she has decided to do what is best for herself

By no means does that influence how I feel about the case.

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