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Sun Jul 14, 2013, 09:23 AM

Trayvon Martin Family Lawyer Doesn't Rule Out Civil Action Against Zimmerman (Family in Disbelief)

Source: NBC News

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Trayvon Martin family lawyer Benjamin Crump doesn't rule out pursuing civil action against George Zimmerman, says family in disbelief - @ABC

Will update.

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Reply Trayvon Martin Family Lawyer Doesn't Rule Out Civil Action Against Zimmerman (Family in Disbelief) (Original post)
Hissyspit Jul 2013 OP
Vinnie From Indy Jul 2013 #1
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Hissyspit Jul 2013 #3
heaven05 Jul 2013 #7
Igel Jul 2013 #53
heaven05 Jul 2013 #56
chillfactor Jul 2013 #9
Hissyspit Jul 2013 #14
totodeinhere Jul 2013 #46
Igel Jul 2013 #55
kestrel91316 Jul 2013 #82
DallasNE Jul 2013 #50
Beacool Jul 2013 #27
Hissyspit Jul 2013 #29
Beacool Jul 2013 #30
24601 Jul 2013 #33
Mr. David Jul 2013 #79
24601 Jul 2013 #81
dragonlady Jul 2013 #32
Igel Jul 2013 #64
chillfactor Jul 2013 #39
YarnAddict Jul 2013 #41
thesquanderer Jul 2013 #44
displacedtexan Jul 2013 #45
YarnAddict Jul 2013 #47
reflection Jul 2013 #89
chillfactor Jul 2013 #5
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chillfactor Jul 2013 #18
heaven05 Jul 2013 #20
chillfactor Jul 2013 #28
heaven05 Jul 2013 #31
MH1 Jul 2013 #34
1StrongBlackMan Jul 2013 #15
heaven05 Jul 2013 #19
1StrongBlackMan Jul 2013 #22
Hissyspit Jul 2013 #26
Lasher Jul 2013 #43
DallasNE Jul 2013 #49
Lasher Jul 2013 #52
Igel Jul 2013 #65
chillfactor Jul 2013 #21
1StrongBlackMan Jul 2013 #24
msanthrope Jul 2013 #8
heaven05 Jul 2013 #12
Enrique Jul 2013 #17
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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Sun Jul 14, 2013, 09:25 AM

1. Good!

I hope the Martin family is surrounded with love today!

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Response to Vinnie From Indy (Reply #1)

Sun Jul 14, 2013, 09:27 AM

2. they

 

can't. Florida law forbids it. A civil rights case is the only route now.

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Response to heaven05 (Reply #2)

Sun Jul 14, 2013, 09:38 AM

3. ?

http://floridamalpractice.com/stat768.16etseq.htm

http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/14/us/martin-family-legal-paths/index.html

Civil suit

Take what happened to O.J. Simpson 17 years ago.

After a criminal court acquitted him of charges in the 1994 killing of his ex-wife Nicole Brown Simpson, a civil court held him responsible in 1997 for her "wrongful death."

It ordered him to pay her family more than $33 million in damages. Various courts then stripped Simpson of every asset they could get their hands on.

Wrongful death is easier to prove than murder or manslaughter.

A defendant can be held liable, even if he or she didn't intend to cause the victim's death, according to Florida law.

Simple negligence is enough, if it results in death.

Did Zimmerman act negligently, when he exited his vehicle to pursue Martin on foot while carrying a gun -- although a 911 operator told him not to?

Would the 17-year-old still be alive if Zimmerman had not done so?

Those are questions a lawyer for Martin's family would be sure to ask in a wrongful death suit.

Martin's family has so given no indication so far of wanting to pursue an additional suit.

But someone else has.

Civil rights suit

The NAACP is pushing the U.S. Department of Justice to file a civil rights suit.


http://inagist.com/all/356266745524269057/

Martin family could file civil suit against Zimmerman but O'Mara says he will seek immunity if that happens: http://t.co/IIrWRlxMlD
@DafnaLinzer

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Response to Hissyspit (Reply #3)

Sun Jul 14, 2013, 09:43 AM

7. Sorry

 

I didn't check it out for myself, this time. I believed the trolls and zimpig sympathizers on this site. Great news then, thanks for correcting me and keeping me aware of the deceit out here..

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Response to heaven05 (Reply #7)

Sun Jul 14, 2013, 12:41 PM

53. The "trolls" are probably right.

Under Florida law self-defense immunizes you against civil suits. People have been quoting the law just fine.

However, under Florida law the case has to be filed and the judge has to rule that it was self defense. So, yes, the case can be filed. Then there has to be a hearing. That seems to be the great hope of justice for Trayvon. (And people complain that the trial seemed to make it all about Trayvon.) Just as 2nd murder or manslaughter was a slam-dunk and only a racist fool could even think that the jury could find him not guilty (unless the jury is a bunch of low-information racists themselves), so we'll be feted with people convinced that the Martins will have to prevail in a civil suit if there's any justice, and that will include the self-defense hearing.

Now, the judge may well produce a finding of self defense. But since a jury has already rendered a verdict in a criminal trial that presupposes self-defense, odds are that either the judge will make the ruling almost pro-forma or that the judge's not finding self defense will be appealed and that will result in a finding of self defense. Yeah, there's a different basis of proof. There's no guarantee that this will make a difference, given what little evidence there is (where "evidence" has to be separated from "possibility" or "belief".

Mind you, this might actually make things worse. Because if the judge finds self defense, then under Florida law GZ would be due reimbursement for reasonable expenses for lawyers, court fees, and other out-of-pocket expenses. So it may feel good to file but unless there's a good chance of getting past self defense Martin's parents may wind up paying for GZ's civil-suit defense. GZ wouldn't profit from this but that wouldn't much matter. This would trigger even more outrage at injustice, even though the Martins would have known the rules well in advance and agreed to them.

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Response to Igel (Reply #53)

Sun Jul 14, 2013, 12:51 PM

56. thanks

 

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something to think about for all concerned about that POS zimpig walking the streets, free, again.

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Response to Hissyspit (Reply #3)

Sun Jul 14, 2013, 09:45 AM

9. O'Mara is an asshat.....

I have come to extremely dislike that racist piece of crap....an innocent Black teenager died....no justice for that Trayon

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Response to chillfactor (Reply #9)

Sun Jul 14, 2013, 09:48 AM

14. Mark O'Mara: If George Zimmerman Were Black 'He Never Would've Been Charged With A Crime'

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/14/mark-omara-george-zimmerman-black_n_3593337.html

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In the hours after the George Zimmerman trial verdict was released, both the defense and prosecuting attorneys answered questions about the trial and their reactions to the jury's decision.

The case consumed the country's attention for more than a year, sparking heated racial debate. While some criticized Zimmerman for racially profiling 17-year-old Martin, others said the teen was, in fact, the aggressor.

Although counsel was advised to leave race out of the discussion during trial, during the post-trial press conference, Zimmerman's defense attorney, Mark O'Mara, remarked that if his client were black, "he never would've been charged with a crime."

If not technically a racist, a massive dickwad at the least.

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Response to Hissyspit (Reply #14)

Sun Jul 14, 2013, 11:23 AM

46. Actually it's the other way around. If Martin were white and Zimmerman were black

and the circumstances of the case were exactly the same Martin would have been convicted of murder 1. That is my firm belief.

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Response to totodeinhere (Reply #46)

Sun Jul 14, 2013, 12:45 PM

55. Not the question.

If GZ were black and TM were black, would GZ have been charged?

If GZ were white and TM were white, would GZ have been charged?

I find what I think to be the likely answers to those every bit as thought-provoking as "If GZ were black and TM were white, would GZ have been charged (etc.)?" In some ways more thought provoking, since the "if you switched the roles" question is a bit of a commonplace.

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Response to Igel (Reply #55)

Sun Jul 14, 2013, 03:21 PM

82. IF GZ were black he would have been charged with and convicted of Murder One.

 

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Response to Hissyspit (Reply #14)

Sun Jul 14, 2013, 12:34 PM

50. O'Mara Is Being Deceptive Here

He is not saying if the roles were reversed though that is what he wants you to believe he is saying. He is saying if Zimmerman was black, meaning if it was a black on black crime then no charges would have been filed. While that is probably true it is an odd argument to claim that racist, unequal and lesser treatment for black on black crime means Zimmerman should have been afforded unequal, favorable treatment -- the two wrongs make a right argument when two wrongs make two wrongs and not the other way around.

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Response to chillfactor (Reply #9)

Sun Jul 14, 2013, 10:04 AM

27. O'Mara was doing his job.

Even mass murderers are entitled to an attorney and to mount a defense.

The prosecution is the one to blame.

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Response to Beacool (Reply #27)

Sun Jul 14, 2013, 10:07 AM

29. Did you not read Post #14?

The trial was OVER when he said that.

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Response to Hissyspit (Reply #29)

Sun Jul 14, 2013, 10:10 AM

30. No, I was responding to the other poster.

Well, then he is an "asshat". That remark was truly out of order and inappropriate.

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Response to Hissyspit (Reply #29)

Sun Jul 14, 2013, 10:24 AM

33. But his role is not over. He will be participating in the Judge's hearing against the State's

Attorneys regarding alleged failure to turn over all documents required by Florida Rules of Criminal Procedure (relating to discovery) and misleading the court as to whether they had. Please note that the State's Attorney's also have a presumption of being not guilty - and even if ultimately sanctioned, jail time is exceptionally rare.

O'Mara also remains Zimmerman's attorney and should someone try to file a Florida civil suit, it will be his job to file the immunity response to dismiss the suit.

State Attorneys have a dual responsibility - to represent the state and to ensure that defendants are afforded due process. Defense Attorneys have a responsibility to represent their client's interest, pretty much by any & all means that do not themselves violate the law.

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Response to 24601 (Reply #33)

Sun Jul 14, 2013, 02:47 PM

79. I hope the tables turns on O'Mara and gets a sanction and a disbarment proceedings

 

Asshat needs to be disbarred.

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Response to Mr. David (Reply #79)

Sun Jul 14, 2013, 03:13 PM

81. There has not been anything on the news about him, or any member of the defense, being the

subject of the Brady hearing - it's addressing alleged prosecutor misconduct.

Again I emphasize that the State's Attorneys are not guilty until proven otherwise.

The Judge also seems wise in retrospect for delaying the hearing until after the trial since the not-guilty verdict obviates the need to consider a retrial as one of the remedies.

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Response to Beacool (Reply #27)

Sun Jul 14, 2013, 10:17 AM

32. The prosecution could have used more evidence

Unfortunately the police were not taking it seriously as a case of murder when that might have been gathered. I wasn't able to follow the trial very closely, but that's one impression I got.

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Response to dragonlady (Reply #32)

Sun Jul 14, 2013, 01:16 PM

64. Here's a game I like.

If X should have been investigated, what would most likely have been found. Then, How would that have changed the outcome.

If the police had been more pro-active on day 1 ...

Well, they checked TM's body for DNA, injuries, that kind of thing, and bagged the evidence from him. That was easy. He was stationary and most of that kind of evidence would be routinely collected.

GZ ... They might have checked him for DNA. I think I read he didn't have DNA evidence under his nails, but that's sort of a fuzzy recollection that I don't put much stock in. There was no obvious scrape that I've heard of on TM to provide DNA for under the nails, but you never know. Not all DNA is from scraped skin. Still, unless they found a glob of TM's spit on GZ there's probably not much "there" there.

GZ's clothing should have been confiscated, for sure. But we know that his back was wet, allegedly from being in the grass. We can easily suspect that TM got in one punch because of a small wound on his knuckle with GZ's DNA in it. Or he might have scraped it and gotten some of GZ's blood in it. TM was straddling GZ (Good's testimony + ballistics evidence; consider that a fact). So it wouldn't be amiss to expect TM's DNA--perhaps just a hair--to be on GZ. Again, I don't know how the clothing would have helped. Did he have grass stains on his knees? I think we all assume that anyway. Scrapes on the toes of his boots? Sure. Not a problem. If he was on his back and stood up he either had his toes scrape or his knees in the grass or both. Try laying down and then standing up without turning over. It's possible, but very awkward. Easier pushing up your bulk with your hands facing front. Don't know what that would get you. Don't see this making a big difference.

What might have mattered would have been a wound inventory and collection of evidence from GZ's wounds. If his head hit the concrete there might be bits of sand or calcite in the wounds. Probably not. If it was a tree branch, that might have left a bit of tree. There might be some impression to the wound; cement would create a different kind of cut than a tree branch would. Or maybe his head hit the turf--a sprinkler head was in the way, or gravel. If you hit your head on concrete versus have a branch cut across the wound depth and shape would differ. Lots of talk about their length, but I had a friend who had a shin wound no longer than "the scratches" on GZ's head, except that you could see the dent the rock made in the bone if you pulled apart the tissue. Head wounds bleed a lot, so the wounds might have been shallow; but a deep wound would also bleed a lot. Lots of chatter, little use.

The directionality of the 2-3 cuts and the apparent bruise on the back of his head might be helpful to know. It looked like a single impact on a flat surface wouldn't cause all of them, so several impacts would be nececessary. Or is that just because of the angle the picture was taken at?

Same for the nose injury. If there's a punch versus being hit by the handgrip of the gun you'd expect a different pattern to the bruising. Was the nose broken? Cracked? Lots of speculation based on what the wound looked like after about an hour after it happened because it didn't look the way it should a day later. But the time mismatch makes speculation just that.

Were there any other marks on GZ? If you're tackled and hit concrete, you might have abrasions or scratches elsewhere. If punched, kicked, or kneed, perhaps bruises.

What would this have shown at trial? Well, I suspect it would have cleared up a lot of speculation. It might have completely falsified the core of GZ's story--everything's commensurate with GZ tripping and TM straddling him to make sure he's all right. It might have confirmed that GZ's head showed signs of a punch and his hitting the concrete or the ground a few times at the kind of angle that you'd expect if he had been holding his head up during a fight--as opposed to having his head hit against the ground. Or it may show a punch, scrapes that are appropriate to hitting the concrete at a strange angle, followed by something making his head impact concrete and ground numerous times.

Would have been nice. The faith-based claim is that the additional evidence would have completely proven murder--countered with a faith-based claim that the additional evidence would have made anything other than self-defense laughable. Dunno. It's like fantasy football. Nice game, but you don't get upset when the team you actually root for loses when your fantasy team proved, clearly, they should have won.

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Response to Hissyspit (Reply #3)

Sun Jul 14, 2013, 10:49 AM

39. excellent post!

thank you for the explanation...very much appreciated!

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Response to Hissyspit (Reply #3)

Sun Jul 14, 2013, 11:00 AM

41. The difference is

 

OJ had lots of $$$, Z doesn't, and most likely never will.

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Response to YarnAddict (Reply #41)

Sun Jul 14, 2013, 11:16 AM

44. Right. If they can't put him in jail but can only get his assets, what's to get?

They probably wouldn't be able to recoup what it would cost them in legal costs to pursue it.

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Response to YarnAddict (Reply #41)

Sun Jul 14, 2013, 11:19 AM

45. Book deals, movie rights, speaking tours, TV interviews and appearances...

Lots of cash on his horizon. I hope he doesn't get to keep a damned dime.

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Response to displacedtexan (Reply #45)

Sun Jul 14, 2013, 11:23 AM

47. Nope.

 

Who would buy his books? Who would make a movie? He probably can't speak well enough to go on tours or do TV interviews.

The only possibilities for cashing in are the numerous lawsuits--against NBC and CNN, possibly others. But really can't see that netting him much, after paying attorney fees.

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Response to YarnAddict (Reply #47)

Mon Jul 15, 2013, 08:36 AM

89. Who would buy his books?

I can think of thousands of mouthbreathers in my state alone who would probably run through the wall like the Kool-Aid guy to get a copy of whatever "book" he publishes. Of course, they'd have to have someone read it to them, but still, the book would be purchased.

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Response to heaven05 (Reply #2)

Sun Jul 14, 2013, 09:41 AM

5. that doesn't make sense.....

the OP meant federal civil rights action....please use common sense....

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Response to chillfactor (Reply #5)

Sun Jul 14, 2013, 09:46 AM

10. I

 

really don't need someone like you in my face. I believed the rethug trolls and democrat zimpig sympathizers ON THIS SITE. Forgive my lack of common sense. Oh and yeah have a great fucking day.

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Response to heaven05 (Reply #10)

Sun Jul 14, 2013, 09:53 AM

18. was that response REALLY necessary?

a bit over board there heaven05....all I said was read the OP's post...federal civil action is the only avenue left open to the Martin family.....because the OP did not say "federal" is no reason to question the post...

and btw.....I am going to have a very nice day

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Response to chillfactor (Reply #18)

Sun Jul 14, 2013, 09:56 AM

20. well

 

alert. To tell me to use common sense, when it turns out I'm right got me angry. Period. I did read it. I'm done with you before.....well?

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Response to heaven05 (Reply #20)

Sun Jul 14, 2013, 10:05 AM

28. wow!

I guess I am a gentler, kinder person...I can make a point without swearing and demeaning another person....
I understand your point but your reaction really was a bit overboard..if you become that angry over the phrase "common sense" I cannot imagine what other words with a much deeper meaning would set you off as well...

however, I hope you have a wonderful Sunday...full of rest, relaxation and recharging for the week ahead...

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Response to chillfactor (Reply #28)

Sun Jul 14, 2013, 10:11 AM

31. well

 

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someone else understood my original intent and had my back. What you implied was that in not using 'common sense' I was using another kind of 'sense' which if it was not 'common sense' it was a dumber kind of sense in your book. I felt put down because I stated something I thought was truth and that turned out to be the truth. You assailed me with your original comment, NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND. Yeah, you have a good week also.

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Response to chillfactor (Reply #28)

Sun Jul 14, 2013, 10:29 AM

34. FWIW ... as an observer ...

your comment saying "use common sense" was somewhat demeaning. Pretty mild for what goes on here, but objectively, yes, and in an emotional discussion like this one, it is not unusual for relatively small slights to be magnified.

My general rule of thumb is, if someone feels demeaned or insulted by something I said, they probably have some reason for it (even if only a small grain in my words that acted as a trigger) and I should just accept that the person felt demeaned or insulted, and respond appropriately. JMHO and YMMV and all that. I'll just butt out now.

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Response to chillfactor (Reply #5)

Sun Jul 14, 2013, 09:48 AM

15. Common sense? ...

 

A "Civil Action" is a different animal than a federal civil rights action."

The non-common sense commenter is correct ... Florida law does prohibit the filing of a civil (tort) lawsuit. There is no way to know what the OP meant by "civil action."

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #15)

Sun Jul 14, 2013, 09:53 AM

19. thank you

 

for having my back.

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Response to heaven05 (Reply #19)

Sun Jul 14, 2013, 09:58 AM

22. What you said was pretty clear ...

 

and was correct. my guess is the "use common sense" advisor didn't know Florida law ... that's the only way his/her comment would make sense.

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Response to heaven05 (Reply #19)

Sun Jul 14, 2013, 10:02 AM

26. Here's a previous discussion on it:

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Response to Hissyspit (Reply #26)

Sun Jul 14, 2013, 11:14 AM

43. In that discussion Hack89 proves Zimmerman is now immune from civil action.

He does that starting in this reply in that thread.

And yet in the article you linked upthread here in your post #2, CNN writer Ben Brumfield asserts Zimmerman is subject to civil action. In making his case he inappropriately cites the OJ Simpson murder trial in California as a legal precedent for the Zimmerman case in Florida. And he does not account for the laws that have been passed during the 17 years since then - including the law cited by Hack89.

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Response to Lasher (Reply #43)

Sun Jul 14, 2013, 12:08 PM

49. That Section Of Law

Deals with people in law enforcement according to the sentence that just precedes this passage. (Context is all important). Unless a community watch person is considered law enforcement, which seems a stretch, I don't see how this applies to Zimmerman. But I agree, the OJ Simpson case has no bearing here.

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Response to DallasNE (Reply #49)

Sun Jul 14, 2013, 12:40 PM

52. The law enforcement exception would apply to Trayvon, not Zimmerman

That is to say, Zimmerman would not be immune to civil action at this point if Trayvon had been a law enforcement officer.

776.032 Immunity from criminal prosecution and civil action for justifiable use of force.—

(1) A person who uses force as permitted in s. 776.012, s. 776.013, or s. 776.031 is justified in using such force and is immune from criminal prosecution and civil action for the use of such force, unless the person against whom force was used is a law enforcement officer, as defined in s. 943.10(14), who was acting in the performance of his or her official duties and the officer identified himself or herself in accordance with any applicable law or the person using force knew or reasonably should have known that the person was a law enforcement officer. As used in this subsection, the term “criminal prosecution” includes arresting, detaining in custody, and charging or prosecuting the defendant.

(2) A law enforcement agency may use standard procedures for investigating the use of force as described in subsection (1), but the agency may not arrest the person for using force unless it determines that there is probable cause that the force that was used was unlawful.

(3) The court shall award reasonable attorney’s fees, court costs, compensation for loss of income, and all expenses incurred by the defendant in defense of any civil action brought by a plaintiff if the court finds that the defendant is immune from prosecution as provided in subsection (1).
History.—s. 4, ch. 2005-27.

http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=0700-0799/0776/Sections/0776.032.html

This is the civil action immunity section of Florida's Castle Doctrine law, which is referenced above as S. 776.013. 776.012 is the 'stand your ground' provision.

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Response to DallasNE (Reply #49)

Sun Jul 14, 2013, 01:19 PM

65. It deals with both.

There are slightly different rules for law enforcement offices.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #15)

Sun Jul 14, 2013, 09:57 AM

21. agreed....

but if a person knows anything about the avenues open to the Martin family....a federal civil action is the only path open to them.....I knew that and I am no lawyer.....but then I read and do research.....

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Response to chillfactor (Reply #21)

Sun Jul 14, 2013, 10:01 AM

24. So your comment makes no sense ...

 

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Response to heaven05 (Reply #2)

Sun Jul 14, 2013, 09:44 AM

8. That's the latest winger meme. And it's wrong. Try again. nt

 

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Response to msanthrope (Reply #8)

Sun Jul 14, 2013, 09:47 AM

12. yeah

 

I fucked up in the emotion of the moment, forgive me. I'm really am not a RW'er. I'm not going to apologize for my mistake anymore, so please stop attacking my human failing....I really am depressed enough. I MADE A FUCKING MISTAKE!!!!

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Response to heaven05 (Reply #2)

Sun Jul 14, 2013, 09:52 AM

17. i thought you meant

Florida law forbids them being surrounded with love. I really thought that.

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Response to heaven05 (Reply #2)

Sun Jul 14, 2013, 10:00 AM

23. There are

 

other ways to make Florida pay and the Zimmermans. I'm pretty angry about the verdict and don't accept it. We can make them pay through boycotts, businesses and sanctions.one way or another, they can answer for this crime including the Sanford police department. Nobody has to do business with that jurisdiction. Through banks, credit whatever it takes. This all white jury nullification has to go. And six jurors for a murder trial is ridiculous. I'm just as shocked as that family. He got away with killing an unarmed kid, which makes George Zimmerman no better than a terrorist in my book.

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Response to John2 (Reply #23)

Sun Jul 14, 2013, 10:32 AM

36. What is your source that it was an all-white Jury? 20% of the Jury was non white. From

CBS news: (Bold added by me)

B-29 recently moved to central Florida from Chicago. She enjoys watching the "Real Housewives" on television and works as a nurse on an Alzheimer's section of a nursing home. She said she hadn't paid much attention to the shooting. She said she has been arrested, but her case was disposed of. It's not clear why she was arrested or exactly what happened to her case, though she said she was treated fairly. She is married and has several children. A prosecutor described her as "black or Hispanic" during jury selection.

[link:http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/jurors-george-zimmermans-trial-19657766#.UeK1KY3VCSo|

I believe that it is accurate that there were no male jurors.

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Response to 24601 (Reply #36)

Sun Jul 14, 2013, 01:26 PM

68. ?????????

 

JFC!!!!!!!!

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Response to heaven05 (Reply #68)

Sun Jul 14, 2013, 03:06 PM

80. In the context you posted, unsure what you meant by JFC, but if it's Jesus F*ing Christ,

equating that with CBS wouldn't be my 1st choice. And I believe they were quoting a State's Attorney.

What I posted in message #36 was verbatim from the CBS affiliate in West Palm Beach, FL.

Two things:

1st. I thought that the CBS link URL had attached and it apparently did not, so here it is:

http://www.cbs12.com/news/top-stories/stories/vid_8240.shtml

2nd. I noticed my math error because it was 1 of 6 non-white jurors which would be 16.66%, not 1 of 5 which would be the 20%. I apologize for the 3.33% mistake.

For all the coverage here in Florida (as I expect there was on networks) there were no pictures of the jurors permitted, so I am not in a position to verify CBS' coverage of the prosecutor's description of the "black or Hispanic" juror.

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Response to Tugboat (Reply #59)

Sun Jul 14, 2013, 01:31 PM

71. Hi and welcome to DU. Just an FYI, posting from a reputable source is permitted, yet the

requirement is to post no more than four paragraphs and then post the link to that source.


Thank you!

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Sun Jul 14, 2013, 09:41 AM

4. I can't imagine the family's horror at this ruling

I am so shocked at the verdict. The whole thing from the killing to verdict is racist and I am very ashamed of these people.
Because someone's skin is a different color, so what!!!!!!

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Sun Jul 14, 2013, 09:42 AM

6. I wonder what country ...

 

Z, and his family, will move to ... I'm pretty certain Z will be unemployable in most parts of America and I'm pretty sure that Z will be called upon to "stand his ground" again because folks will give him a lot of sh!t (and he is a coward).

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #6)

Sun Jul 14, 2013, 09:48 AM

13. no argument there.......

Zimmerman's life as he knows it is over.....he will become a recluse like casey anthony...

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #6)

Sun Jul 14, 2013, 09:50 AM

16. I would no doubt be eligible for Peruvian citizenship

I suppose he is fluent in Spanish.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #6)

Sun Jul 14, 2013, 10:30 AM

35. Unemployable? In about a year or so I expect to see him on Fox.

hopefully I'm wrong though.

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Response to MH1 (Reply #35)

Sun Jul 14, 2013, 10:48 AM

38. I doubt he'll ...

 

be on fox. He might find a niche doing the joe the speaking tour circuit, though.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #6)

Sun Jul 14, 2013, 04:37 PM

83. agreed

I do not condone vigilante justice but nor do I feel any sympathy for that gutless coward having to look over his shoulder for the rest of his miserable life

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Sun Jul 14, 2013, 09:47 AM

11. good idea.

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Sun Jul 14, 2013, 10:01 AM

25. Civil immunity will be the next big debate

From what I have read, Zimmerman's attorneys are not in a position to seek civil immunity until someone files suit against him. Under Florida law it certainly looks in the family's favor, as negligence is fairly evident. There are no doubt many factors to be weighed. I don't know what evidence could be brought in, by either side, but the rules are no doubt significantly different. I hope the family has good legal advisors who can walk them through the benefits and disdain tabes of moving forward, so that they can make the best decision for themselves and their son's memory.

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Response to marshall (Reply #25)

Sun Jul 14, 2013, 10:44 AM

37. amen

a beautiful post!

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Sun Jul 14, 2013, 10:53 AM

40. I wish the family the peace of Allah nt

 

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Response to Duckwraps (Reply #40)

Sun Jul 14, 2013, 12:54 PM

58. trying

 

to be funny?

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Response to heaven05 (Reply #58)

Sun Jul 14, 2013, 01:05 PM

61. No not at all.

 

I have great empathy for this family for reasons I won't diiscuss. Ho w dare you question my sincerity in this! Simply because I have maintained a position that Z was not guilty of murder or manslaugther does not mean I can't have compassion for Ms family.

You should apologise. Sorry for all the typos I'm doing this in my phone.

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Response to Duckwraps (Reply #61)

Sun Jul 14, 2013, 01:11 PM

62. thou

 

"Simply because you maintained zpigs innocence?????????thou protesteth too loud????????? No! I will not apologize to a zimpig apologist. Period. Ever.

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Response to heaven05 (Reply #62)

Sun Jul 14, 2013, 01:16 PM

63. Nane calling says something

 

about your reasoning ability.

Here is a little salve for your festering wounds. Z was ethically and morraly wrong for what he did.

May Allah bless you and give you peace

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Response to Duckwraps (Reply #63)

Sun Jul 14, 2013, 01:22 PM

67. no

 

name calling. It's the truth. I need no salutations from you, a zimpig supporter or your religion. Zimpig said it was god's plan for this to happen. You think I believe that shit. Religion is a scam for control and money. Don't insult me.

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Response to Duckwraps (Reply #61)

Sun Jul 14, 2013, 01:28 PM

70. When are you going to say what your former username was?

 

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #70)

Sun Jul 14, 2013, 01:32 PM

72. "I am that I am. Tell them I am has sent you."

 

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Response to Duckwraps (Reply #72)

Sun Jul 14, 2013, 01:33 PM

73. Are you a democrat?

 

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #73)

Sun Jul 14, 2013, 01:44 PM

75. Is that a requirement in life?

 

Look I gotta go. My team's turn to shoot is coming up very shortly and I've got to "gearup."

Have a great afternoon!!!

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Response to Duckwraps (Reply #75)

Sun Jul 14, 2013, 01:45 PM

76. Have a good afternoon!

 

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #76)

Mon Jul 15, 2013, 02:26 AM

88. he thinks the death of an innocent teeanger is a joke

disgusting

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Response to Skittles (Reply #88)

Mon Jul 15, 2013, 10:49 AM

90. He is gone!

 

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #90)

Mon Jul 15, 2013, 11:08 AM

91. About fucking time. (nt)

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Response to Paladin (Reply #91)

Mon Jul 15, 2013, 11:10 AM

92. He said he was a returning member and it was brought to the attention of the admins and they

 

did not like that.

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #92)

Mon Jul 15, 2013, 11:23 AM

94. He'll be easy to spot, the next time he shows up in DU.


You have to work at taking provocation to such an ugly depth. Glad he's gone.

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Response to Paladin (Reply #94)

Mon Jul 15, 2013, 11:32 AM

95. My understanding was there were several returnies in the past 72 hours.

 

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #95)

Mon Jul 15, 2013, 11:40 AM

96. Completely plausible. (nt)

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #73)

Sun Jul 14, 2013, 01:46 PM

77. I think a review of this poster would be in order. n/t

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Response to Duckwraps (Reply #72)

Sun Jul 14, 2013, 02:47 PM

78. You are PPR'ed my friend!

 

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Response to Duckwraps (Reply #61)

Mon Jul 15, 2013, 02:25 AM

87. you are not fooling anyone

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Sun Jul 14, 2013, 11:01 AM

42. My stomach dropped when I saw the verdict.

Not only was justice not served, this once again! reminded black people that they are still not quite human, and are expendable. A sentence like that should NEVER have to be typed. I am angry and ashamed of any white people who excused Zimmerman. You will never have to teach your children how to be safe from The Man and around white people. I'm going to call your cracker asses out irl and online. I am ashamed of this country.

no love
White girl

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Sun Jul 14, 2013, 11:51 AM

48. I Don't Like The Chances Of Success There, However

The dignity of Trayvon Martin's family and, indeed, the whole African-American community has been the shinning star in this whole troubling event. Contrast that with the disgusting bitterness, even hatred, displayed by Mark O'Mara and Don West following the verdict.

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Sun Jul 14, 2013, 12:37 PM

51. Take away all his donations. That fat bastard should not profit from this atrocity.

 

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Response to MjolnirTime (Reply #51)

Sun Jul 14, 2013, 12:53 PM

57. he

 

already has, financially, big time. He's got money to buy a whole arsenal now. He's set.

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Response to MjolnirTime (Reply #51)

Mon Jul 15, 2013, 04:21 PM

97. Nancy Grace said he is pulling in $30,000/month on his defense fund....sick!

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Sun Jul 14, 2013, 12:43 PM

54. A very good civil case.

 

It would appear the family has a very good civil case.

It's like we all have said: Zimmerman shot an unarmed young man who was just walking back to his father's home from a convenience store. When he called 911 to report a "suspicious black teenager," Zimmerman was even instructed by the authorities to leave it to the police, yet he got out of his vehicle, followed the young man and caused a confrontation which escalated to a fight and the young man's death. That should be more than enough to win a civil judgment.

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Sun Jul 14, 2013, 01:04 PM

60. For what?

"Profiling" Trayvon Martin? Show me where it's against the law, or an actionable cause when one person makes a prejudicial decision against anyone, and both are private citizens not involved in a business transaction.

If a black family comes in to a restaurant, the white owner can be sued for refusing them service, but the white family who moves away from them to a different table in the restaurant cannot be. Both actions stem from the same racism, but while the first one is actionable, the second one is not.

You cannot outlaw racism, all you can do is drive it underground.

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Sun Jul 14, 2013, 01:38 PM

74. I for one would donate to a fund to launch a wrongful death suit. Because

Zimmerman could not hide behind the 5th amendment. Since he can never be criminal charged again he can be compelled to offer testimony in both a deposition and in public court. 5th amendment rights only apply in a criminal case not in a civil case.

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Response to Sam1 (Reply #74)

Sun Jul 14, 2013, 05:01 PM

84. He might still be able to plead the Fifth.

 

People are talking about the possibility of a federal case. If there's any possibility of a federal criminal prosecution, then he could still refuse to testify in a civil case.

An important difference, though, is that the jury in the civil case can be urged to draw an inference against him from his refusal to testify. The prosecutor in the criminal case couldn't do that.

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Sun Jul 14, 2013, 05:07 PM

85. Of Course Not

 

BIG BIG $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ for him.

I'm sure he's encouraging it 100%.

Not sure anything would come of it except some satisfaction. Ask Ron Goldman's family how it worked out.

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Mon Jul 15, 2013, 02:22 AM

86. Family in disbelief...along with everyone else I know. nt

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Mon Jul 15, 2013, 11:19 AM

93. There will be no civil case.

At least none that will go anywhere.

Such a case would face high hurdles, legal observers say. Mr. Zimmerman can seek immunity from civil lawsuits under Florida's so-called Stand Your Ground law—something his attorney said he planned to do. "In effect, there will be no civil suits," said Tamara Lave, a University of Miami law professor. "If there is a civil suit filed, it will be dismissed, and future ones will be barred."

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323394504578605753229447968.html?mod=WSJ_hpp_LEFTTopStories

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Tue Jul 16, 2013, 12:06 PM

99. K & R

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Tue Jul 16, 2013, 12:51 PM

100. I'm curious to know about the smear of Trayvon by the defense

How is it that so much information was released about a minor, Trayvon Martin's problems at school? Aren't those records private? Did the Martin family or their attorney's somehow authorize officials at the school to release those records, the statements about his suspensions, the alleged burglary tool in his backpack, the women's jewelry, etc...

Just like the former State Attorney's employee who released data from Martin's phone, lost his job, did other people help Zimmerman's defense, by illegally releasing this kind of information in an effort to smear the victims reputation?

Has any of this been discussed, I probably just missed that if so, anyone care to comment on that?

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