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Sat Jun 29, 2013, 04:15 PM

Revealed: secret European deals to hand over private data to America

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Source: Guardian / Observer

At least six European Union countries in addition to Britain have been colluding with the US over the mass harvesting of personal communications data, according to a former contractor to America's National Security Agency, who said the public should not be "kept in the dark".

Wayne Madsen, a former US navy lieutenant who first worked for the NSA in 1985 and over the next 12 years held several sensitive positions within the agency, names Denmark, the Netherlands, France, Germany, Spain and Italy as having secret deals with the US.

Madsen said the countries had "formal second and third party status" under signal intelligence (Sigint) agreements that compels them to hand over data, including mobile phone and internet information to the NSA if requested.

Under international intelligence agreements, confirmed by declassified documents, nations are categorised by the US according to their trust level. The US is first party while the UK, Canada, Australia and New Zealand enjoy second party relationships. Germany and France have third party relationships.

Read more: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/29/european-private-data-america



This is going from bad to worse.

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Reply Revealed: secret European deals to hand over private data to America (Original post)
dipsydoodle Jun 2013 OP
OKNancy Jun 2013 #1
dipsydoodle Jun 2013 #3
OKNancy Jun 2013 #4
dipsydoodle Jun 2013 #6
OKNancy Jun 2013 #7
dipsydoodle Jun 2013 #18
Downwinder Jun 2013 #2
pnwmom Jun 2013 #5
BenzoDia Jun 2013 #8
temmer Jun 2013 #9
BenzoDia Jun 2013 #10
temmer Jun 2013 #12
BenzoDia Jun 2013 #13
temmer Jun 2013 #14
Robb Jun 2013 #11
On the Road Jun 2013 #15
Octafish Jun 2013 #16
dipsydoodle Jun 2013 #17
nineteen50 Jun 2013 #19
graham4anything Jun 2013 #20

Response to dipsydoodle (Original post)

Sat Jun 29, 2013, 04:24 PM

1. Wayne Madsen is a fruitcake

I see his wiki page has been cleaned up, but he is a 911 truther and wrote extensively for the conspiracy site WhatReallyHappened
I remember in 2004 and since.. he said a US attack on Iran was imminent.

I wouldn't believe a word he says

Example: WAYNE MADSEN : THE ISRAELI LOBBY OWNS THE CONGRESS, HOLLYWOOD AND THE WHITEHOUSE
http://whatreallyhappened.com/content/wayne-madsen-israeli-lobby-owns-congress-hollywood-and-whitehouse

Swine Flu Crime: 1918 Flu by Vaccination, Wayne Madsen cover-up
http://whatreallyhappened.com/content/swine-flu-crime-1918-flu-vaccination-wayne-madsen-cover

Wayne Madsen continues to assault Wikileaks claiming they are a CIA front, now assisted by disinformation fountain Alex Jones.
Read more: http://www.disclose.tv/forum/alex-jones-and-wayne-madsen-assault-wikileaks-t19579.html#ixzz2XdgHFPhb

One more edit: This doesn't make the Guardian look too good does it?

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Response to OKNancy (Reply #1)

Sat Jun 29, 2013, 04:35 PM

3. Certainly not sure what the 1918 rant is about.

What that needed was penicillin which had yet to be invented.

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Response to dipsydoodle (Reply #3)

Sat Jun 29, 2013, 04:38 PM

4. he was notorious here on DU back in the Bush days

he even posted here for a bit, but of course was banned.
There is tons more crackpot stuff if you search.

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Response to OKNancy (Reply #4)

Sat Jun 29, 2013, 04:43 PM

6. Life is too short

to search loonies but having said that his past rants may have no bearing on the current situation.

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Response to dipsydoodle (Reply #6)

Sat Jun 29, 2013, 04:45 PM

7. they do to me. I don't believe him

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Response to OKNancy (Reply #1)

Sat Jun 29, 2013, 07:15 PM

18. See reply #17

Meanwhile many have copied what the Guardian had said.

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Response to dipsydoodle (Original post)

Sat Jun 29, 2013, 04:30 PM

2. au contraire.

It gets better and better.

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Response to dipsydoodle (Original post)

Sat Jun 29, 2013, 04:43 PM

5. Looks like someone else wants some attention. n/t

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Response to dipsydoodle (Original post)

Sat Jun 29, 2013, 04:53 PM

8. Whether this story is true or not, it makes perfect sense that other countries want in on the intel.

Watching the outrage from EU leaders is amusing though. I guess they need to pay lip service.

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Response to dipsydoodle (Original post)

Sat Jun 29, 2013, 05:17 PM

9. Regardless if Madsen is right or wrong

 


this will fuel the discussion in Europe. But unlike Snowden, his relevations are not supported by documents.

if his here turns out to be right

Madsen said all seven European countries and the US have access to the Tat 14 fibre-optic cable network running between Denmark and Germany, the Netherlands, France, the UK and the US, allowing them to intercept vast amounts of data, including phone calls, emails and records of users' access to websites.

European leaderships will have big problems.



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Response to temmer (Reply #9)

Sat Jun 29, 2013, 05:25 PM

10. Nah, they'll squash it somehow.

Spying comes up from time to time in European countries and nothing changes really.

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Response to BenzoDia (Reply #10)

Sat Jun 29, 2013, 05:29 PM

12. Examples? I'm interested

 

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Response to temmer (Reply #12)

Sat Jun 29, 2013, 05:36 PM

13. The Swedes' FRA law is a good example.

They're able to collect communications w/o a warrant:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FRA_law

Germany's BDN caught some flack for spying on journalists, but now looks to be increasing their budget.

There's the G8 spying scandal that the UK was involved with. I don't think that's going anywhere.

Also, a while back, wikileaks uncovered the UN spying that the US was involved with. And nothing has apparently changed.

They're all in it together.

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Response to BenzoDia (Reply #13)

Sat Jun 29, 2013, 05:52 PM

14. thanks

 


but the FRA law has in fact provoked protests in Sweden and Finland.

Again: we need a global discussion, and the mess that has been created by Snowden might be a good start.







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Response to dipsydoodle (Original post)

Sat Jun 29, 2013, 05:27 PM

11. On the plus side, if Madsen's on about it, it's probably not taking place as described.

Best news all week, IMO.

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Response to dipsydoodle (Original post)

Sat Jun 29, 2013, 06:56 PM

15. Wayne Madsen?

I'lll take this seriously when someone else confirms it.

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Response to dipsydoodle (Original post)

Sat Jun 29, 2013, 07:10 PM

16. Wayne Madsen is better than Corporate McPravda.

In fact, as an investigator and analyst, he's better than most, anywhere.

For example:



QUESTIONABLE TIES

Tracking bin Laden's money flow leads back to Midland, Texas

by Wayne Madsen
In These Times

On September 24, President George W. Bush appeared at a press conference in the White House Rose Garden to announce a crackdown on the financial networks of terrorists and those who support them. “U.S. banks that have assets of these groups or individuals must freeze their accounts,” Bush declared. “And U.S. citizens or businesses are prohibited from doing business with them.”

But the president, who is now enjoying an astounding 92 percent approval rating, hasn’t always practiced what he is now preaching: Bush’s own businesses were once tied to financial figures in Saudi Arabia who currently support bin Laden.

In 1979, Bush’s first business, Arbusto Energy, obtained financing from James Bath, a Houstonian and close family friend. One of many investors, Bath gave Bush $50,000 for a 5 percent stake in Arbusto. At the time, Bath was the sole U.S. business representative for Salem bin Laden, head of the wealthy Saudi Arabian family and a brother (one of 17) to Osama bin Laden. It has long been suspected, but never proven, that the Arbusto money came directly from Salem bin Laden. In a statement issued shortly after the September 11 attacks, the White House vehemently denied the connection, insisting that Bath invested his own money, not Salem bin Laden’s, in Arbusto.

In conflicting statements, Bush at first denied ever knowing Bath, then acknowledged his stake in Arbusto and that he was aware Bath represented Saudi interests. In fact, Bath has extensive ties, both to the bin Laden family and major players in the scandal-ridden Bank of Commerce and Credit International (BCCI) who have gone on to fund Osama bin Laden. BCCI defrauded depositors of $10 billion in the ’80s in what has been called the “largest bank fraud in world financial history” by former Manhattan District Attorney Robert Morgenthau. During the ’80s, BCCI also acted as a main conduit for laundering money intended for clandestine CIA activities, ranging from financial support to the Afghan mujahedin to paying intermediaries in the Iran-Contra affair.

When Salem bin Laden died in 1988, powerful Saudi Arabian banker and BCCI principal Khalid bin Mahfouz inherited his interests in Houston. Bath ran a business for bin Mahfouz in Houston and joined a partnership with bin Mahfouz and Gaith Pharaon, BCCI’s frontman in Houston’s Main Bank.

CONTINUED...

http://www.inthesetimes.com/issue/25/25/feature3.shtml



That is outstanding reportage.

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Response to dipsydoodle (Original post)

Sat Jun 29, 2013, 07:10 PM

17. The Guardian has removed that link pending an investigation.

Their problem may however be that the Observer newspaper had already gone to hardcopy print.

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Response to dipsydoodle (Original post)

Sat Jun 29, 2013, 07:18 PM

19. I guess

exceptionalism has its benefits.

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Response to dipsydoodle (Original post)

Sat Jun 29, 2013, 08:06 PM

20. As the link has been taken down pending an investigation, locking under terms of LBN

 

link has to be valid when clicked on, as they took it down, it no longer is LBN.

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