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Mon Jun 10, 2013, 08:37 PM

Surya Gayatri (15,445 posts)

US spy leaker Edward Snowden 'missing' in Hong Kong

Source: BBC News

An ex-CIA employee who leaked details of US top-secret phone and internet surveillance has disappeared from his hotel in Hong Kong.

Edward Snowden, 29, checked out from his hotel on Monday. His whereabouts are unknown, but he is believed to be still in Hong Kong.

Read more: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-22850901

Apparently, he's done a runner. Still in Hong Kong or has he been Shanghied? Wait and see, I guess...

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30 replies	Author	Time	Post
US spy leaker Edward Snowden 'missing' in Hong Kong (Original post)	Surya Gayatri	Jun 2013	OP
Is he real?	Rosa Luxemburg	Jun 2013	#1
I want to see a birth certificate. n/t	CincyDem	Jun 2013	#3
^^^This^^^!	Surya Gayatri	Jun 2013	#4
Long form, not a Certificate of Live Birth, raised seal, etc....nt	msanthrope	Jun 2013	#11
Of course long form.	CincyDem	Jun 2013	#12
An obvious paid actor	Dash87	Jun 2013	#22
Oh really	Georgi Dimitrov	Jun 2013	#29
I was only joking.	Dash87	Jun 2013	#30
Rendition, I suspect.	NoodleyAppendage	Jun 2013	#2
up next Bradley Manning's new cell mate	azurnoir	Jun 2013	#6
Wow, Agent Steve and his covert buds must be pretty damn	Surya Gayatri	Jun 2013	#9
or maybe he is running out of cash and had to check out	Mosby	Jun 2013	#13
Must not have had time to set up a Wikileaks donation site:	freshwest	Jun 2013	#18
I thought he lived comfortable on 200k......	Historic NY	Jun 2013	#21
Him being in China is what gives me mixed feelings about the case.	iandhr	Jun 2013	#5
Yeah, question upon question, and he's just	Surya Gayatri	Jun 2013	#7
Yes, first question is:	existentialist	Jun 2013	#8
My guess is, he being hosted quite comfortably in Beijing as I type. My guess... eom	Purveyor	Jun 2013	#10
On almost any theory of his behavior, it would be surprising if he kept everybody posted	struggle4progress	Jun 2013	#14
A Nut Case.	cynzke	Jun 2013	#17
Iceland has lovely relations with USA.	MADem	Jun 2013	#19
He's probably dead	itsrobert	Jun 2013	#15
Well If Prism can't find him.....	Grassy Knoll	Jun 2013	#16
No doubt. He would have to be traveling a'la Jason Bourne, so unless he is highly trained, and very	silvershadow	Jun 2013	#20
He doesn't appear to have done much serious advanced	Surya Gayatri	Jun 2013	#25
That's what it's supposedly designed to do...TRACK!	Surya Gayatri	Jun 2013	#24
Best thing is to keep moving	Franker65	Jun 2013	#23
Why the hell he bolted to one of the most oppressive	Surya Gayatri	Jun 2013	#27
Maybe he is living the life of Agent Bourne	liberal N proud	Jun 2013	#26
Agent Bourne is a Hollywood storyboard invention ripped from the imagination of R. Ludlum...	Surya Gayatri	Jun 2013	#28

Response to Surya Gayatri (Original post)

Mon Jun 10, 2013, 08:38 PM

Rosa Luxemburg (28,627 posts)

1. Is he real?

where did he go to elementary school?

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Mon Jun 10, 2013, 08:40 PM

CincyDem (5,015 posts)

3. I want to see a birth certificate. n/t

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Mon Jun 10, 2013, 08:42 PM

Surya Gayatri (15,445 posts)

4. ^^^This^^^!

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Mon Jun 10, 2013, 09:12 PM

msanthrope (37,549 posts)

11. Long form, not a Certificate of Live Birth, raised seal, etc....nt

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Mon Jun 10, 2013, 09:15 PM

CincyDem (5,015 posts)

12. Of course long form.

Look. In today's day and age, you can't tell a person's heritage just by looking at them. For god's sake, he could be a Kenyan for all we know. And then what would we have.

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Response to Rosa Luxemburg (Reply #1)

Tue Jun 11, 2013, 12:56 AM

Dash87 (3,220 posts)

22. An obvious paid actor

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Response to Dash87 (Reply #22)

Tue Jun 11, 2013, 01:18 PM

Georgi Dimitrov (2 posts)

29. Oh really

I'm trying to figure out what's to gain from this for the Empire. I've read all the Willie Loman posts but it still doesn't make any sense unless it's merely a distraction?

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Response to Georgi Dimitrov (Reply #29)

Tue Jun 11, 2013, 01:25 PM

Dash87 (3,220 posts)

30. I was only joking.

It was mostly from the fact that the "paid actor" accusation comes out in every news story that happens now. It's become hilariously cliche at this point

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Response to Surya Gayatri (Original post)

Mon Jun 10, 2013, 08:40 PM

NoodleyAppendage (4,604 posts)

2. Rendition, I suspect.

The fascist corporate state will not tolerate dissent or leakers.

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Mon Jun 10, 2013, 08:46 PM

azurnoir (45,850 posts)

6. up next Bradley Manning's new cell mate

he's being held incognito

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Mon Jun 10, 2013, 08:53 PM

Surya Gayatri (15,445 posts)

9. Wow, Agent Steve and his covert buds must be pretty damn

smooth to be able to abduct Eddie right under China's nose on Chinese territory.

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Response to NoodleyAppendage (Reply #2)

Mon Jun 10, 2013, 09:23 PM

Mosby (12,879 posts)

13. or maybe he is running out of cash and had to check out

http://praisecleveland.com/1609190/nsa-leaker-holed-up-in-hong-kong-hotel-running-low-on-cash/

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Response to Mosby (Reply #13)

Mon Jun 10, 2013, 11:02 PM

freshwest (53,661 posts)

18. Must not have had time to set up a Wikileaks donation site:

WikiLeaks Blames U.S. Lawmakers for Visa/MasterCard Blockade

by Brian Browdie NOV 27, 2012

WikiLeaks' founder accused two members of Congress of pressuring MasterCard (MA) and Visa (V) to block payments to his group after it published thousands of confidential messages about U.S. diplomacy and the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Julian Assange charged Tuesday that Sen. Joseph Lieberman of Connecticut and Rep. Peter King from New York influenced the moves by both companies in December 2010 to halt the payments.

Assange, speaking to reporters from the Ecuadorean embassy in London, where he claimed asylum in June to avoid extradition to Sweden to face charges of sexual assault, said the blockade had eliminated 95% of WikiLeaks' revenue and cost the group roughly $50 million in donations...

http://www.americanbanker.com/issues/177_227/wikileaks-blames-u-s-lawmakers-for-visa-mastercard-blockade-1054655-1.html

Over $50 million was coming in then. They likely still have money coming. Although I can't find newer links than this one:

http://www.thelocal.de/sci-tech/20101223-31975.html

Snowden will be taken care of by Assange. And the Chinese government might like to have him there for their own reasons.

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Response to Mosby (Reply #13)

Tue Jun 11, 2013, 12:10 AM

Historic NY (34,499 posts)

21. I thought he lived comfortable on 200k......

thats even more than Congress makes.

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Response to Surya Gayatri (Original post)

Mon Jun 10, 2013, 08:43 PM

iandhr (6,852 posts)

5. Him being in China is what gives me mixed feelings about the case.

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Mon Jun 10, 2013, 08:47 PM

Surya Gayatri (15,445 posts)

7. Yeah, question upon question, and he's just

done a flyer. Conveniently UNAVAILABLE FOR COMMENT...

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Response to Surya Gayatri (Original post)

Mon Jun 10, 2013, 08:52 PM

existentialist (2,190 posts)

8. Yes, first question is:

How long will we wait to see?

And then:

What will we see?

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Mon Jun 10, 2013, 09:05 PM

Purveyor (29,876 posts)

10. My guess is, he being hosted quite comfortably in Beijing as I type. My guess... eom

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Mon Jun 10, 2013, 09:34 PM

struggle4progress (113,015 posts)

14. On almost any theory of his behavior, it would be surprising if he kept everybody posted

about his whereabouts

Edward Snowden says he seeks safe harbor in Iceland
Kim Hjelmgaard, USA TODAY 4:11 p.m. EDT June 10, 2013
Iceland says the self-outed leaker must apply for asylum in person
... "The main stipulation for seeking asylum in Iceland would be that the person must be in Iceland to start the process," said Johannes Tomasson, the chief spokesman for Iceland's Ministry of Interior in Reykjavik ...

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Response to struggle4progress (Reply #14)

Mon Jun 10, 2013, 10:24 PM

cynzke (1,254 posts)

17. A Nut Case.

I think this guy is going to turn out to be a nut case.

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Mon Jun 10, 2013, 11:06 PM

MADem (135,425 posts)

19. Iceland has lovely relations with USA.

They've improved greatly post - Bush. Would they want to strain them yet again?

Pressed on whether there could ever be a scenario where Snowden could walk into an Icelandic embassy in Hong Kong or elsewhere and receive a degree of protection while applying for asylum, Tomasson conceded that advice or consultation could be sought that fell outside the asylum-application process.

But he wouldn't comment on the legal status of the person seeking such advice or consultation. In other words, he couldn't say whether Snowden would be on base while trying to get to base.

"The main rule is that the application starts when the person is in Iceland, " Tomasson said. "Anything beyond that would just be speculation."

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2013/06/10/iceland-snowden/2407737/

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Mon Jun 10, 2013, 09:39 PM

itsrobert (14,157 posts)

15. He's probably dead

Lead poisoning to the back of the head.

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Mon Jun 10, 2013, 09:48 PM

Grassy Knoll (10,118 posts)

16. Well If Prism can't find him.....

nobody can.

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Mon Jun 10, 2013, 11:27 PM

silvershadow (10,336 posts)

20. No doubt. He would have to be traveling a'la Jason Bourne, so unless he is highly trained, and very

very fortunate, I would say he is toast. I mean, how could one navigate one's way? I would think it impossible.

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Tue Jun 11, 2013, 06:53 AM

Surya Gayatri (15,445 posts)

25. He doesn't appear to have done much serious advanced

planning--already out of cash and not a friend in sight, except Glen 'In-This-For-the-Glory' Greenwald.

Don't know about you, but I wouldn't want to have to rely on that egomaniac for my safe passage.

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Tue Jun 11, 2013, 06:47 AM

Surya Gayatri (15,445 posts)

24. That's what it's supposedly designed to do...TRACK!

Maybe the people on his trail are just giving him a bit more metaphorical rope, letting him "hang" himself (in public opinion, of course).

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Response to Surya Gayatri (Original post)

Tue Jun 11, 2013, 02:55 AM

Franker65 (299 posts)

23. Best thing is to keep moving

Hopefully someone who supports his cause has provided a private jet and flown him to Beijing or Iceland.

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Response to Franker65 (Reply #23)

Tue Jun 11, 2013, 07:01 AM

Surya Gayatri (15,445 posts)

27. Why the hell he bolted to one of the most oppressive

and secretive regimes on the planet to seek safe haven, is one of the key mysteries in this saga.

That he opted for the PRC as his best bet to receive fair treatment and possible asylum raises some serious questions about his mental stability, IMHO.

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Response to Surya Gayatri (Original post)

Tue Jun 11, 2013, 06:59 AM

liberal N proud (58,980 posts)

26. Maybe he is living the life of Agent Bourne

with operatives always on his tail. Maybe one of those operatives succeeded where they could not in the movies.

We all thought 1984 was far fetched, but now not so much.

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Response to liberal N proud (Reply #26)

Tue Jun 11, 2013, 07:11 AM

Surya Gayatri (15,445 posts)

28. Agent Bourne is a Hollywood storyboard invention ripped from the imagination of R. Ludlum...

In the real world, you need friends, or at least safe contacts, to survive on the run.

So far, his spycraft and modus operandi make him look pretty amateurish.

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