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Wed Jun 5, 2013, 11:33 PM

Wasting food is like stealing from the poor, pope says

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Source: Guardian UK

Pope Francis on Wednesday denounced what he called a "culture of waste" in an increasingly consumerist world and said throwing away good food was like stealing from poor people.

"Our grandparents used to make a point of not throwing away leftover food. Consumerism has made us accustomed to wasting food daily and we are unable to see its real value," Francis said at his weekly audience in St Peter's Square.

"Throwing away food is like stealing from the table of those who are poor and hungry," he said.

Since taking office in March, Pope Francis has said he wants the 1.2 billion-strong Roman Catholic Church to defend the poor and to practise greater austerity itself. He has also made several calls for global financial reform.



Read more: http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2013/jun/05/wasting-food-stealing-poor-pope



As VERY lapsed Catholic (atheist) I am very impressed with this new pope.

***CONSUMERISM*** is what he is talking about - food is an example. Gotta read the article.

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Reply Wasting food is like stealing from the poor, pope says (Original post)
alittlelark Jun 2013 OP
Warpy Jun 2013 #1
alittlelark Jun 2013 #3
Zoeisright Jun 2013 #54
JDPriestly Jun 2013 #25
Warpy Jun 2013 #31
JDPriestly Jun 2013 #32
CrispyQ Jun 2013 #58
JDPriestly Jun 2013 #59
Beacool Jun 2013 #48
kestrel91316 Jun 2013 #55
Iliyah Jun 2013 #34
alittlelark Jun 2013 #38
mucifer Jun 2013 #2
niyad Jun 2013 #4
alittlelark Jun 2013 #6
niyad Jun 2013 #8
alittlelark Jun 2013 #11
crazy homeless guy Jun 2013 #23
alittlelark Jun 2013 #27
Scootaloo Jun 2013 #33
niyad Jun 2013 #42
closeupready Jun 2013 #43
AtheistCrusader Jun 2013 #46
Arugula Latte Jun 2013 #53
LuckyLib Jun 2013 #57
msongs Jun 2013 #5
alittlelark Jun 2013 #7
Matilda Jun 2013 #36
LanternWaste Jun 2013 #44
SemperEadem Jun 2013 #50
ChazII Jun 2013 #9
The Second Stone Jun 2013 #10
alittlelark Jun 2013 #19
rhett o rick Jun 2013 #12
alittlelark Jun 2013 #14
rhett o rick Jun 2013 #15
alittlelark Jun 2013 #21
crazy homeless guy Jun 2013 #26
alittlelark Jun 2013 #30
backwoodsbob Jun 2013 #29
alittlelark Jun 2013 #16
No Vested Interest Jun 2013 #24
alittlelark Jun 2013 #35
No Vested Interest Jun 2013 #37
treestar Jun 2013 #47
kestrel91316 Jun 2013 #56
LanternWaste Jun 2013 #60
Kablooie Jun 2013 #13
Poll_Blind Jun 2013 #17
alittlelark Jun 2013 #18
nomorenomore08 Jun 2013 #20
alittlelark Jun 2013 #22
Rowdyboy Jun 2013 #28
happyslug Jun 2013 #39
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Response to alittlelark (Original post)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 11:36 PM

1. Stealing from the poor means taking money from them

and hoarding it away where it does no one any good.

Besides, I don't think the poor would appreciate that bag of slime I just found in my fridge that I think started its life as basil.

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Response to Warpy (Reply #1)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 11:42 PM

3. What he is talking about is consumerism,

and it's destructive effect on the poor in the world... and the world as a whole.

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Response to alittlelark (Reply #3)

Thu Jun 6, 2013, 12:53 PM

54. And he could actually DO SOMETHING

with all that money he's sitting on - for the poor. And the world as a whole.

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Response to Warpy (Reply #1)

Thu Jun 6, 2013, 01:43 AM

25. One problem in our society is that we are practically forced by the

packaging and retail industries to buy more of things like basil than we need. I grow basil. You might even be able to do it on a window sill. It doesn't take much.

I agree that wasting food is a terrible thing, but when I was working, I did not have the time to keep cleaning the refrigerator and sometimes food was not eaten. Now that I am retired, we waste very little food.

In addition to everything else, I compost vegetable parts that we do not eat. But all of that takes time that working people, especially working people with children may not have and effort that people who are disabled or sick or very elderly may not be able to make.

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Response to JDPriestly (Reply #25)

Thu Jun 6, 2013, 01:54 AM

31. Those basil plants from the supermarket have all signed

suicide pacts. No matter how or where I have replanted them, they've gone tits up within a couple of weeks. This was as true in Boston as it is out here in the high desert.

My problem is a side by side fridge that I hate with a purple passion because it's narrow and deep and stuff gets lost in there very easily. That plus the glacier that grows in the bottom of the freezer side.

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Response to Warpy (Reply #31)

Thu Jun 6, 2013, 02:01 AM

32. What happens to your basil?

I don't know whether this is the problem, but my basil lasts on and on regardless where I buy it because I pick the leaves by pinching off the stem right above a two-leaf start. That way new leaves grow. The stem grows tow sets of leaves in place of the one top one I took off.

I have had real good luck with Trader Joe's basil plants.

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Response to JDPriestly (Reply #32)

Thu Jun 6, 2013, 03:53 PM

58. It took me two years to learn how to trim basil.

Now, if I plant 5 plants, I have pesto through the year until next year's first basil harvest.

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Response to CrispyQ (Reply #58)

Thu Jun 6, 2013, 04:46 PM

59. Yes. I'm having good luck thanks to learing how to harvest it.

I watched videos. That's how I learned.

Now if I could only get my squash blossoms to turn into squash and if I could only get lemons on my lemon tree and more figs to grow on my fig tree. Ah! The problems of gardeners. I love them. Especially since I can get so much help from the internet.

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Response to Warpy (Reply #31)

Thu Jun 6, 2013, 11:44 AM

48. Really?

I had one for 3 years. I sort of "adopted" it, meaning that I felt bad about clipping its leaves and it just served no other purpose than to give a nice aroma to the kitchen. Whenever I needed basil, I went to the market and bought some. LOL!!!

The poor thing one day just gave up its last leaf and went to Herb Heaven.

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Response to Warpy (Reply #31)

Thu Jun 6, 2013, 01:21 PM

55. In France, they don't sell cut basil sprigs in grocery stores - they only sell actual

 

basil plants in pots that you stick on your window sill and take a leaf or two when you need one and it keeps growing. Makes FAR more sense.

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Response to JDPriestly (Reply #25)

Thu Jun 6, 2013, 02:04 AM

34. One of the problems

of the US folks, we may claim we care but we don't. Another one is that the so called religion taught us, money money money, and hatred, hatred, hatred. Give to me and I'll set you free - religion.

Not my GOD tho.

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Response to JDPriestly (Reply #25)

Thu Jun 6, 2013, 02:32 AM

38. It just means do the best you can,

no judgements,

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Response to alittlelark (Original post)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 11:39 PM

2. I like this guy. I throw away food too much and I think he is right.

But, I'll keep being Jewish

I gotta work on some of my faults and wasting food is one of them.

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Response to alittlelark (Original post)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 11:43 PM

4. when the rcc gets around to selling off its gold and art, etc., to take care of the poor, deals with

women as human beings, and not just brood mares, then I will be a bit impressed. until then, he can pontificate all he wants.

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Response to niyad (Reply #4)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 11:48 PM

6. He just got into 'popedom'

I may not have his beliefs, but I can respect his words....over a billion ppl listen to the dude.

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Response to alittlelark (Reply #6)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 11:53 PM

8. I don't have to respect his words at all--I know too much about how that particular organization

works, and I know what the words mean. he may be a new pope, but he has been part of the upper hierarchy for years.

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Response to niyad (Reply #8)

Thu Jun 6, 2013, 12:15 AM

11. You can detest the church, I know I do, but INDIVIDUALS

I can respect. I was seeped in Catholicism until 18 yrs old... now a happy atheist. I will accept the enemy of my enemy as a friend. I hope this is REAL - over a billion ppl adhere to the pope - that's a SERIOUS coalition.

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Response to niyad (Reply #8)

Thu Jun 6, 2013, 01:37 AM

23. Spoken like someone that hasn't taken notice to what this pope has done and is doing...

since he has taken the post. He actually has many of the upper hierarchy nervous because he is actually practicing along the original lines that were set forth by the original values of Christianity.

We will see how this plays out in the long run but for the time being he has my respect.

- Signed a non-practicing Catholic who believes organized religion corrupts.


P.S. ...I dislike people who declare themselves Atheist. Get over yourself.

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Response to crazy homeless guy (Reply #23)

Thu Jun 6, 2013, 01:47 AM

27. You may not like that I say that scary word,,,, atheist....

...but I came to it honestly after years of consternation.

Just hope da pope follows his words w/action.

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Response to crazy homeless guy (Reply #23)

Thu Jun 6, 2013, 02:03 AM

33. I'm an atheist; I suggest YOU get over it n/t

 

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Response to crazy homeless guy (Reply #23)

Thu Jun 6, 2013, 09:51 AM

42. nice going, but I have been paying attention. for instance, to his backtracking on atheists.

and how nothing is really being done about the pedophiles. and the position of women in the church (like his comments about the american nuns). a couple of nice gestures here and there does not overturn what is wrong with the church.

the last time a pope was a threat to the upper hierarchy, he was dead in a month. this guy has lasted three times longer already.

and, by the way, nowhere in my post did I say anything about being an atheist. kindly address those remarks to the correct person.

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Response to crazy homeless guy (Reply #23)

Thu Jun 6, 2013, 10:37 AM

43. "Get over yourself." Wow. So rude for such a DU rookie.

 

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Response to crazy homeless guy (Reply #23)

Thu Jun 6, 2013, 11:17 AM

46. I dislike bigots.

So, where does that leave us?

: a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance

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Response to crazy homeless guy (Reply #23)

Thu Jun 6, 2013, 12:53 PM

53. "I dislike people who declare themselves Christian. Get over yourself."

 

Would you post that, too?

If not, why not?

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Response to niyad (Reply #4)

Thu Jun 6, 2013, 02:35 PM

57. Exactly. When the gold covered altars in developing countries come down

in order to use that money for the local communities, I'll listen to him pontificating (yes, indeed) on wasting food.

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Response to alittlelark (Original post)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 11:45 PM

5. when the vatican gives away all its treasures then he can talk nt

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Response to msongs (Reply #5)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 11:51 PM

7. He's been pope for 3 months

..... let's see what happens. If he did sell off Vatican valuables I would be very impressed, but he would likely be 'taken care of'.

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Response to msongs (Reply #5)

Thu Jun 6, 2013, 02:13 AM

36. The last time a pope suggested that the Church sell its treasures

he died rather suddenly.

I think popes need to think carefully before they speak.

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Response to msongs (Reply #5)

Thu Jun 6, 2013, 10:48 AM

44. I can only think that those who lecture others to rescind wealth are themselves guilty ..

I imagine the vast majority of Americans have both the opportunity and the means to do with less by giving more. Our televisions, I-pods, computers, cars and running water would seem like rather a treasure to a subsistence farmer in Rwanda, yes? Further, I imagine those computers, those televisions and those cars could be sold to charity, and the proceeds given to more charity.

Otherwise, I can only think that those who lecture others to rescind wealth are themselves guilty of the same indictment, and hold others to a higher standard than they hold themselves... regardless of how we may rationalize the ethical discrepancy to ourself.

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Response to msongs (Reply #5)

Thu Jun 6, 2013, 12:33 PM

50. exactly

I'm waiting for the day when he begins practicing what he's preaching... maybe then I might have a spare fuck to give to what he says.

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Response to alittlelark (Original post)

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 11:54 PM

9. I will admit

that I am not part of the clean plate club. Especially when it comes to liver, lima beans or broccoli.

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Response to alittlelark (Original post)

Thu Jun 6, 2013, 12:13 AM

10. Moral leadership

 

requires speaking out on simple issues. This is a huge contrast to religious leaders like Pat Robertson and others. These things are obvious to me, but so rare for people with power and money to actually utter.

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Response to The Second Stone (Reply #10)

Thu Jun 6, 2013, 01:07 AM

19. The biggest threat to the 'Powers that Be' is...

... a member of their 'club' that speaks the truth.... FDR, JFK.......

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Response to alittlelark (Original post)

Thu Jun 6, 2013, 12:29 AM

12. I appreciate the words. Maybe if he would sell one of the million dollar paintings he owns and give

 

the money to the poor, I would listen. That's what Jesus would do.

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #12)

Thu Jun 6, 2013, 12:35 AM

14. He's been in office 3 months....

... I wanna see what happens. Fingers crossed.

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Response to alittlelark (Reply #14)

Thu Jun 6, 2013, 12:37 AM

15. So you are saying that 3 months isnt long enough to get bids on the multi-million art collection

 

they have??

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #15)

Thu Jun 6, 2013, 01:13 AM

21. Don't get all riled up on me

This guy could be a serious gamechanger (over 1 bill. ppl follow his words). Did Obama get out of Iraq or Afghanistan in 3 months after taking office? Think about it. This guy is making serious left wing statements.

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Response to alittlelark (Reply #21)

Thu Jun 6, 2013, 01:45 AM

26. What is your angle... Did O'Bama promise to get out of Iraq or Afghanistan in 3 months?


If I am wrong please back me up with hard evidence. I believe he promised to get out of Iraq within 16 months. That is a lot more than 3 months.

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Response to crazy homeless guy (Reply #26)

Thu Jun 6, 2013, 01:53 AM

30. Go to sleep... you know you shoild...it's OK

You are not making sense. Just let your brain rest... It's OK.

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #15)

Thu Jun 6, 2013, 01:52 AM

29. so the day he took the popedom he should have had a yardsale?

 

he is a breath of fresh air and is making a billion plus people do a little introspection.

So far I like this guy

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #12)

Thu Jun 6, 2013, 12:51 AM

16. I visited the Vatican during a trip to Rome 3 yrs ago

I would rather see the artifacts from ancient civilizations, such as the Etruscans, given over to museums that can study the articles.

Selling off artwork would be great... but the real treasure trove is archaeological.

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Response to alittlelark (Reply #16)

Thu Jun 6, 2013, 01:42 AM

24. Art and artifacts are held in museums for the benefit of all peoples

Very often it is given with the proviso that it not be sold and that it be held in perpetuity or returned to the donor or the donor's heirs.

Much of the Vatican is a museum in itself, consisting of the work of the greatest masters.

Would the Chinese consider selling their treasures to bolster their treasury?
Should India sell the Taj Mahal to clean up its rivers and streams?
Should the USA sell the items of the Smithsonian to pay its debts to other nations?

Today there is talk of the treasures of the Detroit Art Institute being sold to settle the debts of the city of Detroit. Residents of that troubled city and of the surrounding area are sick and angry that some would be crass enough to consider selling off these treasures.

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Response to No Vested Interest (Reply #24)

Thu Jun 6, 2013, 02:07 AM

35. I am interested in the best of the best

having access to the Etruscan collection at the min. BA Anth here.... OMG have you been to the Vatican museum?

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Response to alittlelark (Reply #35)

Thu Jun 6, 2013, 02:17 AM

37. I arrived at the Vatican Museum

1/2 hour before closing and they would not admit spouse & me in that we wouldn't have enough time to make the visit worthwhile.
I've been to the Vatican, though, obviously, and the great museums in several countries - London, Paris, Madrid, Mexico City, Berlin, Florence, etc.

I understand your desire for archaeological artifacts to be collected and shown, although they are best left near where they originated, if possible, and if they can be adequately protected. Lots of the best has been stolen from sites by native and non-native peoples, so I guess some has to be kept on museums.

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #12)

Thu Jun 6, 2013, 11:19 AM

47. He owns?

Society can have both. Feed people and keep its history.

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #12)

Thu Jun 6, 2013, 01:26 PM

56. THe church's wealth is not his personal property to sell, just as the contents of the White House

 

are not our president's personal property to sell (except for certain items in the family quarters).

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #12)

Thu Jun 6, 2013, 05:00 PM

60. I imagine Jesus might also give up surfing on political websites, donate the computer and use the ex

I imagine Jesus might also give up surfing on political websites, donate the computer and use the extra time to engage in charity.

I do however, realize the ease of holding others to a higher standard than we hold ourselves.

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Response to alittlelark (Original post)

Thu Jun 6, 2013, 12:35 AM

13. Saying that will just make the super rich waste more food.

There's nothing they enjoy more than stealing from the poor.

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Response to alittlelark (Original post)

Thu Jun 6, 2013, 12:54 AM

17. I'm kinda tentatively down with the pope. I'm sure they've marked him for death.

Any time a pope goes making statements I like, those manky fucks in Opus Dei or whatever haveta be fixin' to grease him.

PB

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Response to Poll_Blind (Reply #17)

Thu Jun 6, 2013, 01:03 AM

18. My guess as well

We'll see what happens when he tries to back up his beliefs w/ $$$$ from Vatican treasures.

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Response to alittlelark (Original post)

Thu Jun 6, 2013, 01:13 AM

20. I was taught from an early age not to let anything edible go to waste.

And my folks were not poor by any means, just conscientious. So when I got to college I was appalled to see other students in the dining hall throwing away practically full plates of food - still kind of irks me to this day, when I think about it.

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Response to nomorenomore08 (Reply #20)

Thu Jun 6, 2013, 01:15 AM

22. My dorm daughter has the same issue

.... taught her well

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Response to alittlelark (Original post)

Thu Jun 6, 2013, 01:50 AM

28. I'm an Episcopalian with no connection to the Catholic church and he impresses the hell out of me...

I respect Francis and that's more than I can say for Dominick or John Paul II. John Paul I had promise but didn't have the time to deliver. Hopefully Francis will live long enough to make a difference.

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Response to alittlelark (Original post)

Thu Jun 6, 2013, 02:39 AM

39. This is a duplicate from yesterday, June 5, 2013

 

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1127&pid=45946

Below is the actual statement, it is only one paragraph long:

http://www.vis.va/vissolr/index.php?vi=all&dl=c198b568-c04e-381e-228f-51af2fbba1f7&dl_t=text/xml&dl_a=y&ul=1&ev=1


Dear Brothers and Sisters: Our Audience today coincides with World Environment Day, and so it is fitting to reflect on our responsibility to cultivate and care for the earth in accordance with God’s command (cf. Gen 2:15). We are called not only to respect the natural environment, but also to show respect for, and solidarity with, all the members of our human family. These two dimensions are closely related; today we are suffering from a crisis which is not only about the just management of economic resources, but also about concern for human resources, for the needs of our brothers and sisters living in extreme poverty, and especially for the many children in our world lacking adequate education, health care and nutrition. Consumerism and a “culture of waste” have led some of us to tolerate the waste of precious resources, including food, while others are literally wasting away from hunger. I ask all of you to reflect on this grave ethical problem in a spirit of solidarity grounded in our common responsibility for the earth and for all our brothers and sisters in the human family.

http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/francesco/audiences/2013/documents/papa-francesco_20130605_udienza-generale_en.html

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Response to alittlelark (Original post)

Thu Jun 6, 2013, 08:12 AM

40. So, Frankie, does the vatican compost or give away the left overs?

you can get back to me with the answers.

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Response to alittlelark (Original post)

Thu Jun 6, 2013, 08:39 AM

41. Even with food though it can be recycled

In South Korea we recycle our food. Everyday the food waste is dumped into a container in the freezer and then taken out to a bin every two or three days. Of course you don't want to get too close to those during the hot summer.

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Response to alittlelark (Original post)

Thu Jun 6, 2013, 10:48 AM

45. I agree with him

theft isn't always the physical act of taking...it can also be the act of with holding

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Response to alittlelark (Original post)

Thu Jun 6, 2013, 12:31 PM

49. while he sits upon a heap of gold, he has the gall to talk about wasted food and the poor

that takes a whole lot of nerve....

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Response to alittlelark (Original post)

Thu Jun 6, 2013, 12:37 PM

51. says the leader of an oppressive world wide orginization that hoards gold, art , money land........

 

sell the art, the gold, the land, use it to help the poor or STFU

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Response to alittlelark (Original post)

Thu Jun 6, 2013, 12:45 PM

52. hypocrisy does not disprove a valid point

 

yes, having been to the Vatican myself, i think somewhere there must be a mirror they can find to look into once in a while

that said, as a kid raised Catholic, this point was made to me, that wasting food was a sin

and it's not hard to see where that came from - over 100 years ago, going back all through history, calories werent just something that made your behind bigger, they were divided between how far your horse could go and how well you could feed your family

this idea was reborn in 1970 through environmentalism, but has been on the wane

the idea is good, we need to translate into today's living, so that future generations arent in famine with burned out soil poluted/exhausted water and used up resources

he should expand on this point

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