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Tue Apr 30, 2013, 02:32 PM

Sex Superbug Could Be 'Worse Than AIDS'

Source: CNBC

An antibiotic-resistant strain of gonorrhea—now considered a superbug—has some analysts saying that the bacteria's effects could match those of AIDS.

"This might be a lot worse than AIDS in the short run because the bacteria is more aggressive and will affect more people quickly," said Alan Christianson, a doctor of naturopathic medicine.


"Getting gonorrhea from this strain might put someone into septic shock and death in a matter of days," Christianson said. "This is very dangerous."

SNIP

This gonorrhea strain, HO41, was discovered in Japan two years ago in a 31-year-old female sex worker who had been screened in 2009. The bacteria has since been found in Hawaii, California and Norway.

Read more: http://www.cnbc.com/id/100685883



Evolution at work. More diseases that we thought we had conquered are back, and meaner than ever. This version of gonorrhea is going to spread like wildfire.

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Reply Sex Superbug Could Be 'Worse Than AIDS' (Original post)
GreenStormCloud Apr 2013 OP
Ian David Apr 2013 #1
GreenStormCloud Apr 2013 #4
kelliekat44 May 2013 #75
Myrina Apr 2013 #2
R. Daneel Olivaw Apr 2013 #36
Cirque du So-What Apr 2013 #3
Poll_Blind Apr 2013 #5
AtheistCrusader Apr 2013 #11
SheilaT Apr 2013 #6
GreenStormCloud Apr 2013 #8
In_The_Wind Apr 2013 #7
Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2013 #9
Nye Bevan Apr 2013 #34
Carolina Apr 2013 #35
Ms. Toad May 2013 #74
Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2013 #41
msongs Apr 2013 #10
cliffordu Apr 2013 #19
LanternWaste Apr 2013 #23
hrmjustin Apr 2013 #12
Sunlei Apr 2013 #13
flamingdem Apr 2013 #14
Throckmorton Apr 2013 #32
DCKit May 2013 #66
flamingdem May 2013 #67
Blue_Tires May 2013 #61
flamingdem May 2013 #71
SammyWinstonJack May 2013 #70
madokie Apr 2013 #15
alfredo Apr 2013 #16
jaysunb Apr 2013 #48
madokie Apr 2013 #49
alp227 May 2013 #52
madokie May 2013 #54
Swede Atlanta Apr 2013 #17
muriel_volestrangler Apr 2013 #18
cliffordu Apr 2013 #20
Yo_Mama Apr 2013 #37
KamaAina May 2013 #72
GreenStormCloud May 2013 #56
muriel_volestrangler May 2013 #59
GreenStormCloud May 2013 #62
winter is coming May 2013 #73
geek tragedy Apr 2013 #21
another_liberal Apr 2013 #22
GreenStormCloud Apr 2013 #24
another_liberal Apr 2013 #25
Yo_Mama Apr 2013 #38
GreenStormCloud Apr 2013 #40
The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2013 #26
Politicalboi Apr 2013 #27
The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2013 #28
agracie May 2013 #53
Skittles Apr 2013 #30
shanti Apr 2013 #31
OneGrassRoot May 2013 #58
Little Star May 2013 #64
olddad56 Apr 2013 #29
corkhead Apr 2013 #33
Junkpet Apr 2013 #39
Psephos Apr 2013 #42
uriel1972 Apr 2013 #44
Psephos Apr 2013 #46
Beacool Apr 2013 #43
uriel1972 Apr 2013 #45
Beacool Apr 2013 #47
agracie May 2013 #55
XVI_Eyes May 2013 #50
WheelWalker May 2013 #51
tabasco May 2013 #57
muriel_volestrangler May 2013 #60
Frank Cannon May 2013 #63
LisaL May 2013 #76
GreenStormCloud May 2013 #65
FarCenter May 2013 #68
GreenStormCloud May 2013 #69

Response to GreenStormCloud (Original post)

Tue Apr 30, 2013, 02:35 PM

1. Time to start putting more money into research on bacteriophages. n/t

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Response to Ian David (Reply #1)

Tue Apr 30, 2013, 02:41 PM

4. Yes, study them more, but I am not long-term optimistic.

If we develop widespread use of bacteriophages that will put strong evolutionary pressure on the bacteria to evolve defense against them. We will be back where we started from.

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Response to Ian David (Reply #1)

Wed May 1, 2013, 05:00 PM

75. Norway?!!! nt

 

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Response to GreenStormCloud (Original post)

Tue Apr 30, 2013, 02:35 PM

2. Calling Stephen King and Cap'n Tripps ...

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Response to Myrina (Reply #2)

Tue Apr 30, 2013, 07:51 PM

36. Baby can you dig your man, he's a righteous man...

 

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Response to GreenStormCloud (Original post)

Tue Apr 30, 2013, 02:38 PM

3. 'septic shock and death in a matter of days'

may seem merciful in comparison to the rest of your life in constant pain, which would be the result of a chronic infection with this organism.

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Response to GreenStormCloud (Original post)

Tue Apr 30, 2013, 02:57 PM

5. In the grand scheme of things, any superbug that kills in a matter of days is...

...much better than one that kills in a matter of weeks or months- or years.

Looking to the parasite/host relationship, the quicker the host is killed off, the worse for the parasite.

I'm grateful such a thing is transmitted through sexual contact and not, for instance, through sneezing.

PB

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Response to Poll_Blind (Reply #5)

Tue Apr 30, 2013, 03:32 PM

11. Seriously. Some things are TOO successful and become victims of their own success.

Sounds like this bacteria will be exactly that once word gets around..

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Response to GreenStormCloud (Original post)

Tue Apr 30, 2013, 03:00 PM

6. A female sex worker who had been screened in 2009.

 

So how often do they screen the sex workers?

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Response to SheilaT (Reply #6)

Tue Apr 30, 2013, 03:04 PM

8. That's when she was found with it.

It has since spread. Many countries have no screening at all. The U.S. has screening only in Nevada (In some counties) because everywhere else prostitution is illegal.

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Response to GreenStormCloud (Original post)

Tue Apr 30, 2013, 03:02 PM

7. Just what mankind needs, more killer easily transmittable bacteria.

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Response to GreenStormCloud (Original post)

Tue Apr 30, 2013, 03:11 PM

9. Funny how every time there's a little advance in sexual freedom the media says, "This'll kill ya."

 

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Response to Spitfire of ATJ (Reply #9)

Tue Apr 30, 2013, 07:39 PM

34. Plenty of sexual freedom in the 70s, and nothing that would kill you.

That really was the golden age. Except for fashion. And kitchens.

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Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #34)

Tue Apr 30, 2013, 07:47 PM

35. yes, avocado green and harvest

gold appliances, bell bottoms, micro minis, platforms... ah the good ole days.

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Response to Carolina (Reply #35)

Wed May 1, 2013, 04:35 PM

74. I still have one harvest gold appliance

And I plead the 5th on elephant bells and micro minis...little pitchers have big ears, and they occasionally post on DU. Just sayin'

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Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #34)

Tue Apr 30, 2013, 09:27 PM

41. It was the golden age of macrame too....

 

Every home had ceiling hooks.

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Response to GreenStormCloud (Original post)

Tue Apr 30, 2013, 03:30 PM

10. maybe we should quit giving antibiotics to the cow industry nt

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Response to msongs (Reply #10)

Tue Apr 30, 2013, 05:21 PM

19. Yep.

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Response to msongs (Reply #10)

Tue Apr 30, 2013, 05:46 PM

23. Or simply posses a predicated trust for those with whom we are intimate with.

Or simply posses a predicated trust for those with whom we are intimate with.

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Response to GreenStormCloud (Original post)

Tue Apr 30, 2013, 03:36 PM

12. Thanks for the info!

 

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Response to GreenStormCloud (Original post)

Tue Apr 30, 2013, 03:39 PM

13. gonorrhea skin lesions out of control. protect yourself people.

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Response to GreenStormCloud (Original post)

Tue Apr 30, 2013, 03:46 PM

14. meh. sex is overrated

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Response to flamingdem (Reply #14)

Tue Apr 30, 2013, 06:52 PM

32. Agreed.

But then again I am old.

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Response to Throckmorton (Reply #32)

Wed May 1, 2013, 10:09 AM

66. It's peaceful to live a life that's not dictated by our little friend.

 

My last ten years have been the best.

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Response to DCKit (Reply #66)

Wed May 1, 2013, 10:21 AM

67. It's true. The hormones are little dictators

and when they go on vacation things get peaceful! No mas rollercoasters

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Response to flamingdem (Reply #14)

Wed May 1, 2013, 08:25 AM

61. You're doing it wrong

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Response to Blue_Tires (Reply #61)

Wed May 1, 2013, 12:50 PM

71. give us some direction kemosabe

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Response to flamingdem (Reply #14)

Wed May 1, 2013, 11:14 AM

70. Indeed it is. nt

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Response to GreenStormCloud (Original post)

Tue Apr 30, 2013, 04:26 PM

15. We were hearing shit like this all the way back to when I was in Vietnam

thats was 40 some odd years ago.

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Response to madokie (Reply #15)

Tue Apr 30, 2013, 04:38 PM

16. I remember that strain. Nasty stuff.

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Response to madokie (Reply #15)

Tue Apr 30, 2013, 11:00 PM

48. Yup...it was supposed to be the "clap that killed"

Funny thing though, it went away as soon as we left, and from what I can tell, there has been no "die off" from it in Nam since either.

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Response to jaysunb (Reply #48)

Tue Apr 30, 2013, 11:43 PM

49. Funny how that works

Too much bullshit too little time

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Response to madokie (Reply #15)

Wed May 1, 2013, 12:22 AM

52. Gives a whole new meaning to "dirty fxxking hippies" and "free love"? n/t

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Response to alp227 (Reply #52)

Wed May 1, 2013, 12:42 AM

54. I'm glad I partaked as much as I did when I was a young free loving hippie

cause later in life, now, my part doesn't cooperate at it used too
Not much lead left in my pencil now.

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Response to GreenStormCloud (Original post)

Tue Apr 30, 2013, 04:40 PM

17. My empathy to those that may become infected with this bacteria.....

 

but it underscores the fact that what was told to us about the HIV virus applies universally.....

(1) Practice safe sex
(2) Know your partner's sexual and medical history

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Response to GreenStormCloud (Original post)

Tue Apr 30, 2013, 05:15 PM

18. "could kill in a matter of days"; "has never killed anyone"

This is not an article that tells a comprehensible story. What is going to make this bacteria, which has been around for at least 2 years, start killing people in a matter of days?

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Response to muriel_volestrangler (Reply #18)

Tue Apr 30, 2013, 05:22 PM

20. It's waiting for the cello music to become sufficiently creepy before striking

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Response to muriel_volestrangler (Reply #18)

Tue Apr 30, 2013, 08:36 PM

37. Coinfections, other lesions, loss of treatment options and limited resistance (immune suppressed)

The recommended treatment options for gonorrhea in the US have already dropped since 2010, and now with doxycycline in short supply the recommended treatment is going to be 250 mg of ceftriaxone intramuscularly plus 1 gram azithromycin orally.
http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm6131a3.htm?s_cid=mm6131a3_w

Plus retesting in a week, plus testing and treatment of sexual contacts.

You have to expect that in 2 to 4 years you are going to start seeing resistance against these drugs. Fluoroquinolone and cephalosporin resistance has emerged in the US in the last decade.

Any bacteria that gets into your blood can kill you. Suppose you are one of the people with GERD, and you get gonorrhea of the throat. If you have open lesions in the esophagus, the bacteria can easily infect through that route.

Right now the shortage of doxycycline and the outright inability to get tetracycline has left syphilis treatment for penicillin-resistant treatments in a very problematic arena:
http://www.cdc.gov/std/treatment/doxycyclineShortage.htm

Safe sex is looking better and better!!

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Response to Yo_Mama (Reply #37)

Wed May 1, 2013, 01:34 PM

72. A shortage of critical antibiotics?

 

What's the matter, Big Pharma not raking in a big enough profit margin on them (as with vaccines)?

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Response to muriel_volestrangler (Reply #18)

Wed May 1, 2013, 05:28 AM

56. No conflict between the two.

"Could kill in a matter of days" would refer to untreated. "Has never killed anyone" is because there is still treatment available, but it is limited and requires hospitalization. Back when I was young the treatment of clap was a few pills, or maybe a shot. Now that doesn't work on this strain.

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Response to GreenStormCloud (Reply #56)

Wed May 1, 2013, 06:55 AM

59. Notice the "could kill in days" comes from a naturopath, ie quack

You are assuming that "there is still treatment available, but it is limited and requires hospitalization". The article doesn't tell us that. It just says the strain is resistant to antibiotics. It doesn't say there's any treatment for it at all.

It would help if it wasn't a quack telling us it could kill in days, because they we could assume they weren't talking rubbish. Now, it can kill, if it does get into the blood:

Untreated gonorrhea causes serious, painful and costly medical conditions in both men and women. In
women, gonorrhea can spread into the uterus or fallopian tubes and cause pelvic inflammatory disease (PID).
PID is a leading cause of infertility and can increase the risk of ectopic pregnancy. In men, gonorrhea may
be complicated by epididymitis, which may also lead to infertility. If left untreated, gonorrhea can also
spread to the blood and cause disseminated gonococcal infection—which can be life threatening, infecting
the joints, the skin, the heart valves and even the brain.

http://www.ncsddc.org/sites/default/files/docs/final_gonorrhea_resistance_emergency_funding_request_4.24.pdf


but it's more useful to hear that from a real doctor, rather than as a quote from a naturopathic quack.

Principles
The Healing Power of Nature (Vis Medicatrix Naturae): Naturopathic medicine recognizes an inherent self-healing process in the person which is ordered and intelligent. Naturopathic physicians act to identify and remove obstacles to healing and recovery, and to facilitate and augment this inherent self-healing process.

http://naturopathic.org/content.asp?contentid=59


Those really aren't the kind of people to talk to about drug-resistant bacteria. They'll encourage the patient "to pursue their personal spiritual development" instead.

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Response to muriel_volestrangler (Reply #59)

Wed May 1, 2013, 08:31 AM

62. OK. I didn't notice that it was a "naturopath"...

...nor did I know what one was. I just saw the word and assumed it was some sort of specialist.

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Response to muriel_volestrangler (Reply #18)

Wed May 1, 2013, 03:14 PM

73. And if it kills that quickly, won't that limit the spread of the disease? n/t

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Response to GreenStormCloud (Original post)

Tue Apr 30, 2013, 05:24 PM

21. Unprotected sex with people with questionable sexual histories

 

remains a really bad idea.

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Response to GreenStormCloud (Original post)

Tue Apr 30, 2013, 05:39 PM

22. Abstinence Only!

 

The powerful Christian Right will insist on no new STD funding of any kind, except for lavish spending on their pet "Abstinence Only" projects (which have been proven to be ineffective at preventing the spread of disease). The funding so clearly needed to fight this new gonorrhea will not be forthcoming unless and until liberals take back the House of Representatives.

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Response to another_liberal (Reply #22)

Tue Apr 30, 2013, 05:54 PM

24. Gonorrhea isn't the only disease that has become antibiotic resistant.

TB is back, staph is resistant, E. Coli is becoming a problem, Enterococcus, Staphylococcus, Klebsiella, Acinetobacter, Pseudomonas and Enterobacter are drug resistant.

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Response to GreenStormCloud (Reply #24)

Tue Apr 30, 2013, 05:58 PM

25. Too true.

 

But most other such diseases can't be prevented by the use of something as cheap and reliable as a rubber. They should be free and available everywhere.

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Response to another_liberal (Reply #25)

Tue Apr 30, 2013, 08:39 PM

38. Yep.

Spending some money on an education campaign to that effect would really pay off.

Yeah, it should be common sense, but the young have very strong hormones and very little common sense.

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Response to another_liberal (Reply #25)

Tue Apr 30, 2013, 09:21 PM

40. They are cheap and widely available.

Just abut all convenience stores carry them, and the price is fairly low. The problem is that men hate them.

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Response to GreenStormCloud (Original post)

Tue Apr 30, 2013, 06:06 PM

26. Well, it now looks like being old and unpopular has an up side.

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #26)

Tue Apr 30, 2013, 06:27 PM

27. LOL!

 

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Response to Politicalboi (Reply #27)

Tue Apr 30, 2013, 06:29 PM

28. Yup. At least I'm not going to get the Clap of Death.

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #28)

Wed May 1, 2013, 12:41 AM

53. Not to be confused with "the clapper" - as seen on TV ...

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #26)

Tue Apr 30, 2013, 06:35 PM

30. YOU'RE A PEACH, TVO!!!

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #26)

Tue Apr 30, 2013, 06:51 PM

31. you got that right!

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #26)

Wed May 1, 2013, 06:47 AM

58. Ha! LOL n/t

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #26)

Wed May 1, 2013, 08:41 AM

64. lol

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Response to GreenStormCloud (Original post)

Tue Apr 30, 2013, 06:30 PM

29. Okay corporate america, lest get to work figuring out how to make a fortune on this.

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Response to GreenStormCloud (Original post)

Tue Apr 30, 2013, 07:35 PM

33. as long as my hand doesn't get it first, I'm safe

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Response to GreenStormCloud (Original post)

Tue Apr 30, 2013, 09:00 PM

39. If it's bacteria...

...there's no way it's worse than AIDs. Scare tactics is all it is.

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Response to Junkpet (Reply #39)

Tue Apr 30, 2013, 09:36 PM

42. Dying in a couple of days from septicemia is not worse than AIDs? n/t

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Response to Psephos (Reply #42)

Tue Apr 30, 2013, 10:14 PM

44. Depends how you want to die I suppose...

But really just because it's bacteria doesn't make it any better or worse than if it was a virus since the antibacterial methods are failing on this one.

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Response to uriel1972 (Reply #44)

Tue Apr 30, 2013, 10:22 PM

46. AIDS isn't the killer it used to be.

Ask Magic Johnson.

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Response to GreenStormCloud (Original post)

Tue Apr 30, 2013, 09:38 PM

43. As of now, I'm taking a vow of celibacy.






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Response to Beacool (Reply #43)

Tue Apr 30, 2013, 10:14 PM

45. I didn't have to take a vow /sigh... nt

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Response to uriel1972 (Reply #45)

Tue Apr 30, 2013, 10:51 PM

47. Aaahhhhh...........

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Response to Beacool (Reply #43)

Wed May 1, 2013, 12:44 AM

55. Vanna, I'd like to buy a vowel... Heh heh

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Response to GreenStormCloud (Original post)

Wed May 1, 2013, 12:01 AM

50. Never thought I'd say this but...

Thank God I'm married!

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Response to XVI_Eyes (Reply #50)

Wed May 1, 2013, 12:05 AM

51. Thank you Goddess that I am old.

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Response to GreenStormCloud (Original post)

Wed May 1, 2013, 06:02 AM

57. doctor of naturopathic medicine

 

WTF is that?

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Response to tabasco (Reply #57)

Wed May 1, 2013, 06:56 AM

60. A quack - see #59 (nt)

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Response to GreenStormCloud (Original post)

Wed May 1, 2013, 08:35 AM

63. If it kills within days, then it's self-limiting.

The problem with HIV was that you could walk around a long time without any symptoms, transmitting it all the while.

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Response to Frank Cannon (Reply #63)

Wed May 1, 2013, 05:06 PM

76. Might kill within days.

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Response to GreenStormCloud (Original post)

Wed May 1, 2013, 08:45 AM

65. My apologies to all. I didn't notice the so-called doctor was a naturopath.

I simply saw the article was by CNBC. I had never heard of a naturopath and when I saw the word I just assumed it was by some sort of specialist.

Still, antibiotic resistant bacteria are becoming a major problem.

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Response to GreenStormCloud (Original post)

Wed May 1, 2013, 10:48 AM

68. From 2 years ago "Kyoto hooker’s nasty case of clap nothing to applaud "

 

Uh oh. It has just been learned that a female sex worker in Kyoto came down with a nasty new strain of a social disease that appears resistant to conventional treatment.

Nikkan Gendai (July 22) reports that a 31-year-old hooker was found to be harboring the nasty bug, a strain of gonorrhea called HO41, in January 2009.

The woman had sought treatment after noticing a burning sensation in her urethra during urination. She had also begun excreting pus.
...
It is believed the Kyoto sex worker contracted HO41 while receiving oral sex from a customer.

...

While gonorrhea is unlikely to be transmitted by kissing, it can be transmitted by unsafe sex, including fellatio and cunilingus.

Without use of a condom, the chances of catching something unpleasant are said to be about 30 percent. Forewarned is forearmed, the tabloid cautions its readers.


http://www.tokyoreporter.com/2011/07/22/kyoto-hookers-nasty-case-of-clap-nothing-to-applaud/

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Response to GreenStormCloud (Original post)

Wed May 1, 2013, 11:05 AM

69. Same story, different source, different doctor.

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