2nd Child of Pa. Couple Dies After Only Praying

[hue]

Source: abc NEWS

A Philadelphia couple — serving 10 years' probation for the 2009 death of their toddler after they turned to prayer instead of a doctor — has violated their probation now that another of their children has died.

Herbert and Catherine Schaible belong to a fundamentalist Christian church that believes in faith-healing.


Philadelphia Judge Benjamin Lerner said at a hearing they violated the most important condition of their probation: to seek medical care for their remaining children.

Authorities have yet to file criminal charges in the death of the 8-month-old boy last week, after he suffered with diarrhea and breathing problems for days. But charges could be filed once authorities pinpoint how the baby died.

Read more: http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/2nd-child-pa-couple-dies-praying-19020607#.UXaDSEqGNiE

[AAO]

1. Prison for life for murderers.

[get the red out]

3. Agree

That should have been the sentence the first time, now they have killed again.

I hate cults, they are dangerous no matter what people want to believe.

[Grins]

16. I think...

I think the preferred term is "serial killers".

[AAO]

17. You are correct, Grins!

[Scuba]

2. The GOP's faith-based healthcare plan.

[Cal33]

11. I believe the GOP's healthcare plan is quite different. It's based on business corporations'

greed and deception and overcharging the American people. In all likelihood these
corporations have no faith in any religious cult at all. This is big-time corruption.
And big-time corruption has never been punished. They've always been rewarded
with what they want most -- billions of dollars. And as a result some 47,000
Americans die needless deaths every year because they can't afford medical
treatment. The law does not punish that.

This unfortunate couple, however, has been completely taken in by their religious
beliefs. Two small children died as a result. The chances are very good that the
couple will be punished. These unnecessary deaths could have been easily
avoided, if only the parents had practiced both praying and letting their
children have medical treatment.

Mormons used to practice polygamy. Polygamy is against the law. The Mormon
Church had to back down. Although today there are still a few cases where
polygamy is being practiced, but they are kept secret as much as possible.

Why isn't the law applied equally to everyone? That, I think, is the big problem!!

[dgibby]

4. Not only should they go to prison for life,

but so should the idiots who left the other children in that home. There is no reckoning with religious zealots. They are, imo, the most dangerous people on earth.

[tblue]

37. They sure are.

That poor little baby!!!!!!!!!!

[MindPilot]

5. Yet--in all this--no one HOLDING public office has the courage to stand up and say

the problem is RELIGION.

[Dont_Bogart_the_Pretzel]

8. +1

[valerief]

12. Because religion is their main tool of oppression. Easiest way to brainwash the masses. nt

[BlueStreak]

6. A person with any intelligence would

re-examine the concept of "faith healing" after it failed a second time.

Well, at least this gene pool will be limited.

[liberal N proud]

7. It must have been what God wanted - RIGHT?

Geez, what the #$&@ is wrong with people?

[sofa king]

38. Perhaps Allah willed it.

Or Moroni:

http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/152270/abandon-all-hope

[DFW]

9. Wanna bet they are vehemently anti-abortion rights, too?

I hope they are put away in separate facilities for the rest of their lives. That should give them time enough to pray--mainly for forigveness.

[NorthCarolina]

10. If at first you don't succeed.....

and yet I'll bet they believe LGBT's are unfit to parent a child.

[closeupready]

28. Of course. Almost all fundamentalists consider breeding the

only acceptable means of relation between genders.

[Zephie]

13. Those poor children.

To die in agony because of their parents willful ignorance...

[RussBLib]

14. fools fools fools

...and they probably cursed the Boston bombers for their religious fanaticism. Both these parents and the Tsarnaev brothers just as misguided as they can be.

Religion is a mental illness.

[Bragi]

15. They are mentally ill

And should be treated as such.

(I note that any time a deviant and harmful act of this sort occurs, DUers demand jail time. This gives me little hope that the US will ever stop being a prison-first incarceration-all-the-time country.)

[Arkansas Granny]

22. I agree that they are mentally ill. However, if any attempt was made to "cure" them

of their beliefs, would we hear cries of religious persecution?

[iandhr]

18. These people should have been locked up the first time.

[IDemo]

19. Awkward headline

Makes it sound as if the child was struck down by god or parent after praying.

[ebbie15644]

20. why would they EVER have custody of their remaining children?

Gotta love my state!

[hamsterjill]

24. Exactly.

I can't imagine a judge leaving other children in this environment unprotected. Would it not have been prudent to have some sort of "inspection" process for them during their probation period? That might have caught the second child's illness early enough to have been treated.

Never fear, however, for your state. I live in Texas...enough said!

[dmallind]

25. IOKIYAC. nt

[hamsterjill]

26. Since we're in to acronyms...

WTF is your point?

[greiner3]

31. "It's OK If You're A Corporation"

Found it on Urban Dictionary.

[hamsterjill]

36. Hee hee!!!

You did better than I did!!! LOL

[dmallind]

33. That this is yet another example of Christian privilege

Anybody want to place odds on a Satanist family who killed a kid by religiously motivated torture (not that they likely would do so)getting the chance to kill another?

[hamsterjill]

35. Okay, I understand your post now.

And I see your point.

Sad...but true.

[Phillip McCleod]

21. they should've been imprisoned the first time.

clearly they didn't get the message.

sorry, but religious freedom only goes so far. rastas don't get to smoke pot and fundies don't get to faith heal their kids.

or, at least, they *shouldn't* get to faith heal their kids.

[southernyankeebelle]

23. I try not to think this way but honestly it's getting harder and harder. I think that

religion is the root of all evil.

[mtasselin]

27. Sad

Another sad story, but how many religious groups will come to their side and say how their freedom's are being violated.

[BVictor1]

29. So sad...

"Herbert and Catherine Schaible belong to a fundamentalist Christian church that believes in faith-healing."

Doesn't seem to be working out to well for them.

If I were a child in their household, I'd be damn scared.

[Sunlei]

30. murder and their probation system let it happen.

[geek tragedy]

32. Blood on the hands of whoever decided to not remove the child from that home

These people are baby killers, and that was known when the first one died.

Lock them up, throw away the key.

[struggle4progress]

34. Such views may be attractive to folk who can't afford help care. Materials handed out

by their "church" apparently include things like this:

"Medical insurance, hospital fees, and prescription costs today are enormous but a believer receives healing for free"

See
Judge rebukes Rhawnhurst couple over death of another child
JASON NARK, Daily News Staff Writer
Posted: Tuesday, April 23, 2013, 5:45 AM
http://www.philly.com/philly/news/20130423_Judge_rebukes_Rhawnhurst_couple_over_death_of_another_child.html

[yodermon]

39. Charge church officials as accessories n/t

[4_TN_TITANS]

40. Why would these fundies NOT believe

that their God has given them advanced hospitals, medicines, and doctors for them to f'ing USE. I never can get past that to understand their rationals.

[sakabatou]

41. Child endangerment

And yet there's little to do since it has to do with religion.

[Liberal_in_LA]

42. it's murder to delay someone's medical care for prayer

[Turbineguy]

43. God is obviously sending these people a hint.

They are unfit parents.

[freshwest]

44. Here's the parents:

This is the 2nd of their 9 children to die. At the tender age of 8 months, I'd have gone to the doctor with the breathing problems and diarrhea because of dehydration and just plain suffering. This is too much like the child that died before this. Despite the glowing terms used in the article, I don't like the look of them, but maybe that's just me.

[Javaman]

45. the definition of insanity...

doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.
- Albert Einstein

[raccoon]

46. Ever see the movie "Promised a Miracle?"

"Of all the things that can be said about Wesley Parker's death at age 11, the saddest is this: His parents let it happen. Burning with religious fervor, Larry and Lucky Parker watched the eldest of their four children succumb to diabetic shock while they clutched Bibles and withheld insulin. That 1973 tragedy is the subject of Promised a Miracle, a CBS TV movie airing May 19, starring Rosanna Arquette and Judge Reinhold as the Parkers."

http://www.people.com/people/archive/article/0,,20098967,00.html