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Bosonic

(3,746 posts)
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 07:57 AM Apr 2013

Ex-Prime Minister Baroness Thatcher dies

Source: BBC

Former Prime Minister Baroness Thatcher has died at 87 following a stroke, her spokesman has said.

Lord Bell said: "It is with great sadness that Mark and Carol Thatcher announced that their mother Baroness Thatcher died peacefully following a stroke this morning."

Baroness Thatcher was Conservative prime minister from 1979 to 1990.

She was the first woman to hold the post. Her family is expected to make a further statement later.

Read more: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-22067155



Former UK Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher has died from a stroke

https://twitter.com/AP/status/321229115447468033
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Ex-Prime Minister Baroness Thatcher dies (Original Post) Bosonic Apr 2013 OP
K&R BumRushDaShow Apr 2013 #1
It's official! pipoman Apr 2013 #2
Roger Ebert, Andy Johns, Les Blank..... Champion Jack Apr 2013 #3
Don't forget Milo O'Shea Ghost of Tom Joad Apr 2013 #78
Just heard DainBramaged Apr 2013 #4
RIP Mrs Thatcher. Obviously I did not agree with all of her policies, Nye Bevan Apr 2013 #5
May she rest in peace. In_The_Wind Apr 2013 #7
Did what she could??? KatyMan Apr 2013 #18
Do you honestly think that was her desire? In_The_Wind Apr 2013 #20
Yes n/t. KatyMan Apr 2013 #22
Really In_The_Wind Apr 2013 #24
as was I. KatyMan Apr 2013 #25
I know that better than anyone. In_The_Wind Apr 2013 #28
.. BlancheSplanchnik Apr 2013 #128
Her desire was to enrich the people who bought her Kelvin Mace Apr 2013 #42
Thank you for bringing that to my attention. I truly am sorry for the ones she hurt. In_The_Wind Apr 2013 #43
who cares? CreekDog Apr 2013 #100
. In_The_Wind Apr 2013 #110
Look, I understand the need to find some good in a person who has passed away CreekDog Apr 2013 #121
Well, I learned quite a bit today that I honestly didn't know before. In_The_Wind Apr 2013 #122
to get rid of England's safety net and health care system CreekDog Apr 2013 #99
Excellent job with the Falklands war! I must disagree. pangaia Apr 2013 #36
An Argentinian military dictatorship decided to invade British territory, Nye Bevan Apr 2013 #37
Sort of true. pangaia Apr 2013 #40
And Britain's claim over the Falklands was Kelvin Mace Apr 2013 #61
Should all non-native Americans be forced to leave the USA? Nye Bevan Apr 2013 #62
Well, yes actually, Kelvin Mace Apr 2013 #63
There's no one to pay in regards to the Falklands ButterflyBlood Apr 2013 #89
Then they can pay the Argentine government Kelvin Mace Apr 2013 #102
Pre-1982 maybe that'd be a reasonable suggestion ButterflyBlood Apr 2013 #114
Somebody needs to be the adult Kelvin Mace Apr 2013 #115
And what's Argentina's based on? ButterflyBlood Apr 2013 #66
The British residents of Las Malvinas wouldn't have even been there Beacool Apr 2013 #79
There have been lots of other territory changes in the last 150 years ButterflyBlood Apr 2013 #85
Pretty much the same Kelvin Mace Apr 2013 #82
While I have no sympathy for Galtieri et al... LeftishBrit Apr 2013 #97
Post removed Post removed Apr 2013 #52
OK. I will self-delete the post. Nye Bevan Apr 2013 #53
This message was self-deleted by its author devilgrrl Apr 2013 #54
If she was alive today, I wonder whether she would be advocating "chained CPI" (nt) Nye Bevan Apr 2013 #56
This message was self-deleted by its author devilgrrl Apr 2013 #57
I'm sure she would muriel_volestrangler Apr 2013 #64
I daresay. She advocated everything of that nature that she could. LeftishBrit Apr 2013 #92
Oh yeah, great job on the Falklands........ Beacool Apr 2013 #59
Remember when Hoboken, NJ belonged to the Native Americans? Nye Bevan Apr 2013 #60
The natives got screwed in the whole American continent. Beacool Apr 2013 #67
The Falklands have been British since 1833. Argentina did not exist as a country until 1853. (nt) Nye Bevan Apr 2013 #81
What are you talking about???? Beacool Apr 2013 #104
See: Nye Bevan Apr 2013 #105
That's the year they approved the Constitution. Beacool Apr 2013 #109
The Falklands are whose land? ButterflyBlood Apr 2013 #88
I'll admit it: I liked her PolitFreak Apr 2013 #75
Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2013 #113
A miner? Do you mean a minor? A miner is the last person who could support Maggie! LeftishBrit Apr 2013 #125
the problem is not speaking ill of her will help enhance what she did CreekDog Apr 2013 #96
People need to consider their legacies LeighAnn Apr 2013 #116
Post removed Post removed Apr 2013 #6
right wing, yeah, but intelligent and eloquent bigworld Apr 2013 #8
The people of Britian truly disliked her amuse bouche Apr 2013 #12
This just about says it all. Beacool Apr 2013 #118
Yes amuse bouche Apr 2013 #120
Right wing is right. pangaia Apr 2013 #38
I am sorry. iandhr Apr 2013 #47
That's what made her dangerous. backscatter712 Apr 2013 #91
Being intelligent and eloquent are gifts not virtues. LeftishBrit Apr 2013 #95
You know, this is Obama's fault. Ian David Apr 2013 #9
I was intereseted to see how the Brits were amuse bouche Apr 2013 #10
As we all should proud2BlibKansan Apr 2013 #11
It varies a lot muriel_volestrangler Apr 2013 #16
Well Huffpo amuse bouche Apr 2013 #21
I went back to check again amuse bouche Apr 2013 #30
I'm sure her family is very proud of her RedstDem Apr 2013 #13
Now do we have to wait for white smoke from Parliament to see who will be the new Baroness? Botany Apr 2013 #14
Some poignant words from John Lydon come to mind. HughBeaumont Apr 2013 #15
These days Mr Lydon is worth $10 million+ and advertises butter in Country Life magazine. nt Nye Bevan Apr 2013 #19
What, is he supposed to "maintain integrity" and live in squalor forever? HughBeaumont Apr 2013 #31
Not at all. Good luck to him. Nye Bevan Apr 2013 #34
Johnny Rotten selling butter! Vinnie From Indy Apr 2013 #39
nah, Johnny's cool Adenoid_Hynkel Apr 2013 #106
My condolences to her family. RevStPatrick Apr 2013 #17
Congratulations, Mr. Costello... Tom Ripley Apr 2013 #23
If you're in the mood today for a slow dance to a fine ballad, here's the tune . . . leveymg Apr 2013 #27
Great lyrics: Arugula Latte Apr 2013 #111
George Galloway has quoted that on Twitter muriel_volestrangler Apr 2013 #35
I have still got that on vinyl Kolesar Apr 2013 #71
I'm supposed to speak good of the dead..... lastlib Apr 2013 #26
Agreed primavera Apr 2013 #124
oh god, here we go: JanMichael Apr 2013 #29
I agree completely amuse bouche Apr 2013 #32
I'm quite positive her family has never heard of an American Democratic website such as DU. HughBeaumont Apr 2013 #33
Why should I show respect in death for someone I disrespected in life? n/t backscatter712 Apr 2013 #48
I have nothing to say about her. DinahMoeHum Apr 2013 #41
Any comment from Billy Bragg? Nye Bevan Apr 2013 #44
That's what you're using to trash Billy? bluedigger Apr 2013 #50
This message was self-deleted by its author devilgrrl Apr 2013 #45
Half of Britain is singing a dirge for her death... backscatter712 Apr 2013 #46
RIP Ter Apr 2013 #49
She was in power before I really became politically aware, but... Orrex Apr 2013 #51
I highly recommend The Iron Lady, the film with Streep as Thatcher Bluenorthwest Apr 2013 #90
Pictures are starting to arrive Warpy Apr 2013 #55
I should have expected that .. but I still choked! nt. polly7 Apr 2013 #65
Took a look at some right wing sites this morning. Paladin Apr 2013 #58
You're forgetting one. polly7 Apr 2013 #68
Hey, if you want to check for Mulroney's presence, be my guest. Paladin Apr 2013 #72
Agree.. not the most pleasant thing to be doing, by any means. nt. polly7 Apr 2013 #76
Gotta take one for the team every once in a while, don't we? (nt) Paladin Apr 2013 #80
I can't stand that woman!!! Beacool Apr 2013 #119
I guess the Scots are getting to work on the hole straight to Hell then... Yukari Yakumo Apr 2013 #69
Lots of Brits are popping champagne bottles now ButterflyBlood Apr 2013 #70
I'm sure that "lots of Brits" aren't as classless as you think. Renew Deal Apr 2013 #74
You'd be surprised Warpy Apr 2013 #77
I'm sorry to hear that. Renew Deal Apr 2013 #73
I love George Galloway's tweet- Tramp the dirt down. Gregorian Apr 2013 #83
I might well go to hell for this, but... bitchkitty Apr 2013 #84
Rust In Pieces. idwiyo Apr 2013 #86
This has to be posted: Arugula Latte Apr 2013 #87
Rest In Peace PM. hrmjustin Apr 2013 #93
and there was much rejoicing RetroLounge Apr 2013 #94
She was a pioneer in the art of waging stupid, pointless little wars for fun and profit. alarimer Apr 2013 #98
I disliked Thatcher as much as I disliked Reagan. Beacool Apr 2013 #101
margaret thatcher proved that women can be equally agressive, sociopathic and cruel as men. La Lioness Priyanka Apr 2013 #103
From the time... Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2013 #107
Now who's going to defend the murderous Gen. Pinochet and his regime? Adenoid_Hynkel Apr 2013 #108
I think she secondvariety Apr 2013 #112
All I can say, is... Aquavit Apr 2013 #117
She and Ronny are probably together now right where they belong Liberalynn Apr 2013 #123
Now, now. We should only say good about the dead. She's dead... GliderGuider Apr 2013 #126
RIP Thatcher jzodda Apr 2013 #127

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
5. RIP Mrs Thatcher. Obviously I did not agree with all of her policies,
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 08:11 AM
Apr 2013

but give her credit for being the first female Prime Minister. Also, excellent job with the Falklands war.

In_The_Wind

(72,300 posts)
28. I know that better than anyone.
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 09:07 AM
Apr 2013

As a survivor, I can show compassion to many but not all.

I am sorry for your troubles in life that her actions cause you.

 

Kelvin Mace

(17,469 posts)
42. Her desire was to enrich the people who bought her
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 09:29 AM
Apr 2013

and in that, she succeeded brilliantly.

She may have deluded herself into believing that serving the rich was serving Britain, but her legacy of austerity and dismantling of the social safety net lives on, to the great suffering of millions.

My condolences to her family, but her actions were self-serving and corrosive to society.

CreekDog

(46,192 posts)
121. Look, I understand the need to find some good in a person who has passed away
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 03:29 PM
Apr 2013

I actually share that desire.

But I can look for redeeming qualities in Thatcher but her governance and policies is not where I'd look because I find them abhorrent.

In_The_Wind

(72,300 posts)
122. Well, I learned quite a bit today that I honestly didn't know before.
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 03:32 PM
Apr 2013

So ... now I do agree with you.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
36. Excellent job with the Falklands war! I must disagree.
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 09:19 AM
Apr 2013

Can I suggest you may wish to do a little research into that insane little event.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
37. An Argentinian military dictatorship decided to invade British territory,
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 09:22 AM
Apr 2013

and got their asses handed to them. As a result of which Mrs Thatcher was re-elected in a landslide victory.

 

Kelvin Mace

(17,469 posts)
61. And Britain's claim over the Falklands was
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 10:33 AM
Apr 2013

based on what legal principle? Oh yeah, "right of conquest". Pretty much the same reason they are holding on to Northern Ireland.

 

Kelvin Mace

(17,469 posts)
63. Well, yes actually,
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 10:37 AM
Apr 2013

unless we are willing to pay the remaining indigenous tribes the fair market value of the land we stole.

ButterflyBlood

(12,644 posts)
114. Pre-1982 maybe that'd be a reasonable suggestion
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 01:28 PM
Apr 2013

However after seizing them by military force I'm just going to say fuck Argentina in regards to them. They've lost any moral standindg they ever might've had (which I'll dispute). The inhabitants of the Falklands have clearly shown they want to be British and want Argentina to fuck off.

Besides thanks to that the military junta in Argentina was toppled. That alone is something that I consider far more important than whoever governs those islands.

 

Kelvin Mace

(17,469 posts)
115. Somebody needs to be the adult
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 01:34 PM
Apr 2013

Yeah, Argentina was wrong to seize the islands, but the question is, does Britain want to end the matter, or continue to leave it dangling? Britain's imperial sins are legion, and it, along with the U.S., do not have clean hands as far as Argentina's military junta is concerned. At this point it is hard to find ANY nation with moral standing, so isn't it time for some of the worst offenders to start behaving morally?

Britain certainly needs to leave Northern Ireland, yet still refuses. At least by paying for the Falklands it would finally have an unambiguous claim.

ButterflyBlood

(12,644 posts)
66. And what's Argentina's based on?
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 10:42 AM
Apr 2013

The Brits do have one solid justification for holding the Falklands, it's quite obvious who the residents of the islands support and want to be governed by.

Beacool

(30,243 posts)
79. The British residents of Las Malvinas wouldn't have even been there
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 11:03 AM
Apr 2013

if Britain hadn't taken the islands from Argentina in the mid 19th century. The British were as bad as the Spanish, vultures that took whatever they wanted due to their military power. Look at how the British treated the people of Ireland and India. They committed genocide with impunity for centuries.

As for the Spaniards, they decimated every native tribe that they found in their path (Aztecs, Mayans, Incas, etc.)

A pox on their heads!!!!



BTW, I'm referring to these countries' governments. I have nothing against the people of Spain (heck, I have family there) or Britain.



ButterflyBlood

(12,644 posts)
85. There have been lots of other territory changes in the last 150 years
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 11:17 AM
Apr 2013

Most make no sense to rectify because the current population wouldn't approve. At least on the Falklands there was no genocide because there are no indigenous inhabitants. If you are going to propose rolling back every single territorial change in the last 150 years, there's going to be some far bigger ones than the Falklands.

And that's not even getting started on the absurdity of effectively punishing the Islands' current inhabitants for something over a century old.

 

Kelvin Mace

(17,469 posts)
82. Pretty much the same
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 11:14 AM
Apr 2013

But from what I read, the Falklands wasn't inhabited until the British (and later the French) established a colony in the 18th Century.

My personal view is that former imperialist nations should simply return land they stole from other people OR make fair restitution.

In the case of the Falklands, the inhabitants wish to remain in the British Commonwealth. Fine, then PAY Argentina a fair price for the islands and have them sign over the title.

LeftishBrit

(41,175 posts)
97. While I have no sympathy for Galtieri et al...
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 12:13 PM
Apr 2013

Last edited Mon Apr 8, 2013, 06:48 PM - Edit history (1)

the whole thing might never have happened if our government, specifically John Nott the Defence Secretary, had not announced the withdrawal of our ships from the South Atlantic. People from the Navy warned at the time that this might give a signal to Argentina that it was safe to invade. And their warnings were proved right. The invasion probably wouldn't have happened with a bit of common sense and proper planning on the part of our Defence Department.

Anyway this could hardly outweigh all the harm she did at home. Incidentally a 'landslide victory' means 42.4% of the vote, and a lot of this was due to divisions and infighting on the left, rather than any positive achievement by Thatcher.

Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #5)

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
53. OK. I will self-delete the post.
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 10:06 AM
Apr 2013

Just kidding! Instead, I will post another picture of Billy Bragg's mansion:

Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #53)

Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #56)

muriel_volestrangler

(101,083 posts)
64. I'm sure she would
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 10:40 AM
Apr 2013

unless shw could cut them even more:

1980 Social Security Act - Link between state pension increases and average earnings broken by Margaret Thatcher's Conservative government. If the link with earnings had not been broken, a basic state pension for a single pensioner would worth about £30 a week more.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/2488513.stm


That was written in 2002, when it was £75.50. Meanwhile, her Tory successors switched the state pension from RPI to the lower CPI.

Beacool

(30,243 posts)
59. Oh yeah, great job on the Falklands........
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 10:21 AM
Apr 2013

That's one thing that the Pirates of the Sea were always good at, taking over other people's land.

Beacool

(30,243 posts)
67. The natives got screwed in the whole American continent.
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 10:45 AM
Apr 2013

The Europeans took their lands from Canada in the North to Argentina and Chile in the South.

That still does not excuse colonial powers from taking land from other independent nations. At the time, Argentina was already a sovereign nation and they had a garrison on the islands. The British surrounded them and gave them 24 hrs. to vacate the islands.

I attended a high school run by Argentine/Irish nuns in Buenos Aires. Double whammy, they liked the Brits as much as they liked the plague. So I have strong feelings on the subject.

Beacool

(30,243 posts)
104. What are you talking about????
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 12:46 PM
Apr 2013

Argentina became one of the first nations in the continent to become independent from Spain. Their independence day was July 9, 1816.

Beacool

(30,243 posts)
109. That's the year they approved the Constitution.
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 01:00 PM
Apr 2013

Furthermore, in 1809 and 1810 the British invaded Buenos Aires and tried to take control of the city away from the Spaniards. The population was able to repel the invaders twice. They were so disgusted with the Spaniards' performance during both British invasions, that they declared that from then on they would be governed by "criollos" (people of Spanish ascendancy, but born in the colony). That upheaval became known as the "Revolucion de Mayo". It took place on May 25th, 1810. On July 9, 1816 the Declaration of Independence was finally signed in Tucuman (about 800 miles from Bs. As.).

Forgot to add, there's a big tower in downtown Buenos Aires near a railway station that was given to the Argentines by the British government in 1910 to commemorate the May Revolution of 1810. The tower is called "La Torre de los Ingleses".

Here's a link to info. on the tower:

http://www.andrewcusack.com/2006/01/14/the-english-tower-and-kavanagh-building/

Here's the Wikepedia link on Argentina. Notice the independence date.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argentina



 

PolitFreak

(236 posts)
75. I'll admit it: I liked her
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 10:51 AM
Apr 2013

I think we've forgotten that you can disagree with somebody's politics without hating them. This mostly occurs on the right here, though I've seen a few cases on the left, too.

Response to PolitFreak (Reply #75)

LeftishBrit

(41,175 posts)
125. A miner? Do you mean a minor? A miner is the last person who could support Maggie!
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 06:52 PM
Apr 2013

She destroyed the mining industry in the UK - and other industries too - out of spite against the unions.

CreekDog

(46,192 posts)
96. the problem is not speaking ill of her will help enhance what she did
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 12:12 PM
Apr 2013

the people who consider her heroes for what she did to the poor, to the unions, to her enemies, will be touting those things.

a story of her death, with those things highlighted and none of us who disagreed with her offering criticism in response means that we will be helping enable an erroneous and dangerous image of her as a positive force in politics and the world --which she may have intended to be, but in mine and others opinion was quite the opposite.

LeighAnn

(2,446 posts)
116. People need to consider their legacies
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 01:37 PM
Apr 2013

It's important to speak out when people who do evil pass away, and not gloss over their malfeasance in the name of respect. People like the Bushes and James Baker, etc., and those who would become like them, need to know that history will remember them badly and that their misdeeds will be brought to light for all of posterity to remember once they've gone to their "rewards".

It's very important for future leaders to take this into consideration in all their dealings. Prominent evildoers of earlier times got away with too much because the media coverage of their deaths was often far too respectful than the record warranted. In the Internet age, though, such niceties no longer have to be, nor will they be, tolerated without challenge.

Response to Bosonic (Original post)

Beacool

(30,243 posts)
118. This just about says it all.
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 01:45 PM
Apr 2013

"She created today's housing crisis, she produced the banking crisis, she created the benefits crisis. It was her government that started putting people on incapacity benefits rather than register them as unemployed because the Britain she inherited was broadly at full employment.

"She decided when she wrote off our manufacturing industry that she could live with two or three million unemployed and the legacy of that, the benefits bill that we are still struggling with today.

"In actual fact, every real problem we face today is the legacy of the fact she was fundamentally wrong."

amuse bouche

(3,657 posts)
120. Yes
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 01:57 PM
Apr 2013

They really disliked her. I learned lots from the comments, even though they are heavily censored and disappear quickly

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
38. Right wing is right.
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 09:23 AM
Apr 2013

How can anyone as right wing as her actually be intelligent. She was a fascist from the get go.
As was mentioned in another thread, or was it this one, they should privatize her funeral.

iandhr

(6,852 posts)
47. I am sorry.
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 09:45 AM
Apr 2013

She was many things. Some negative. But the word fascist is inappropriate. She was democratically elected several times. When her own party got tired to her she stepped down willingly.

And you said to a little deeper on the Falklands war.

There was an election there a few weeks ago. Nearly 100% of the residents voted to remain part of Britain .

backscatter712

(26,355 posts)
91. That's what made her dangerous.
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 11:31 AM
Apr 2013

The ones who are smart, good at bullshitting, and charismatic enough to get the LIV's drooling are the ones that fuck us the worst.

LeftishBrit

(41,175 posts)
95. Being intelligent and eloquent are gifts not virtues.
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 12:03 PM
Apr 2013

They can be used for evil as well as good, and in her case mostly were.

amuse bouche

(3,657 posts)
10. I was intereseted to see how the Brits were
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 08:33 AM
Apr 2013

taking the news. So checking out the front page of HuffPo UK tells how they feel and it ain't warm and fuzzy.

They truly loathed the woman

muriel_volestrangler

(101,083 posts)
16. It varies a lot
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 08:43 AM
Apr 2013

though I wouldn't say HuffPost UK looks particularly anti-Thatcher at the moment; and the earliest comments are more likely to be anti- than pro-, because the pro-Thatcher people are sad, not energised.

The obvious comparison is with Reagan; loads of Tories still regard her as the 'true' Conservative leader, and all they want from one now is to behave exactly like her. Perhaps the neutrals aren't as favourable to her as many seem to have been to Reagan. But, against that, pretty much everyone acknowledges her ability (studied science at Oxford when it was rare for women to, especially from a modest background; made her way in an undoubtedly sexist party).

amuse bouche

(3,657 posts)
21. Well Huffpo
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 08:51 AM
Apr 2013

doesn't let all comments through. So the numbers have to be adjusted

I know their censorship was insane when Breitbart died.

The people did not like her.Many are saying she ruined their lives

 

RedstDem

(1,239 posts)
13. I'm sure her family is very proud of her
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 08:37 AM
Apr 2013

She did break new ground.

Her and ray gun seemed as they were the same person back then, didnt they.

Wish her time in power could be looked back to fondly, but it's not the case

HughBeaumont

(24,461 posts)
31. What, is he supposed to "maintain integrity" and live in squalor forever?
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 09:15 AM
Apr 2013

Even the members of Crass got pissed that designers forged their logo on their shirts (worn by one David Beckham) and they saw not pound note one from it.

My focus is on Reagan's Girlfriend, thanks.

 

Tom Ripley

(4,945 posts)
23. Congratulations, Mr. Costello...
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 08:54 AM
Apr 2013

"Oh I'll be a good boy, I'm trying so hard to behave / Because there's one thing I know, I'd like to live / long enough to savour / That's when they finally put you in the ground / I'll stand on your grave and tramp the dirt down."

I will be there with you in spirit, brother.

 

Arugula Latte

(50,566 posts)
111. Great lyrics:
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 01:12 PM
Apr 2013

I saw a newspaper picture from the political
campaign
A woman was kissing a child, who was obviously
in pain
She spills with compassion, as that young child's
face in her hands she grips
Can you imagine all that greed and avarice
coming down on that child's lips
Well I hope I don't die too soon
I pray the Lord my soul to save
Oh I'll be a good boy, I'm trying so hard to behave
Because there's one thing I know, I'd like to live
long enough to savour
That's when they finally put you in the ground
I'll stand on your grave and tramp the dirt down

When England was the whore of the world
Margaret was her madam
And the future looked as bright and as clear as
the black tarmacadam
Well I hope that she sleeps well at night, isn't
haunted by every tiny detail
'Cos when she held that lovely face in her hands
all she thought of was betrayal

And now the cynical ones say that it all ends
the same in the long run
Try telling that to the desperate father who just
squeezed the life from his only son
And how it's only voices in your head and
dreams you never dreamt
Try telling him the subtle difference between
justice and contempt
Try telling me she isn't angry with this pitiful
discontent
When they flaunt it in your face as you line up
for punishment
And then expect you to say "Thank you"
straighten up, look proud and pleased
Because you've only got the symptoms, you
haven't got the whole disease
Just like a schoolboy, whose head's like a tin-can
filled up with dreams then poured down
the drain
Try telling that to the boys on both sides, being
blown to bits or beaten and maimed
Who takes all the glory and none of the shame

Well I hope you live long now, I pray the Lord
your soul to keep
I think I'll be going before we fold our arms
and start to weep
I never thought for a moment that human life
could be so cheap
'Cos when they finally put you in the ground
They'll stand there laughing and tramp the
dirt down

lastlib

(22,895 posts)
26. I'm supposed to speak good of the dead.....
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 09:03 AM
Apr 2013

She's dead. Good.

Saint Ronnie's been saving her a seat in hell. People compare her to Reagan; I prefer to think of her as Dick Cheney in a dress and high heels.

primavera

(5,191 posts)
124. Agreed
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 04:12 PM
Apr 2013

I simply can't bring myself to mourn the death of someone who caused so much suffering to so many. Perhaps dead her remains can fertilize a tree or something and finally do something positive.

JanMichael

(24,841 posts)
29. oh god, here we go:
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 09:10 AM
Apr 2013

She was evil!

You are speaking ill of the dead!

So what? She was horrid....wars...bleah bleah bleah...people suffered under her!

What if her FAMILY is reading this?

You are speaking ill of the dead.

amuse bouche

(3,657 posts)
32. I agree completely
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 09:17 AM
Apr 2013

The Brits are desperately trying to dance on her grave, but the censors at HuffPo U.K are working overtime to stop the party

Their censors are actually worse than here. And that's saying something

HughBeaumont

(24,461 posts)
33. I'm quite positive her family has never heard of an American Democratic website such as DU.
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 09:18 AM
Apr 2013

Sure there are more than a thousand sites across the U.K. and other nations where Mag's family can read about her . . . "legacy" . . . first hand.

bluedigger

(17,073 posts)
50. That's what you're using to trash Billy?
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 09:51 AM
Apr 2013

Looks like any McMansion built in the last twenty years here in the States.

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Orrex

(63,057 posts)
51. She was in power before I really became politically aware, but...
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 09:53 AM
Apr 2013

Never in my life have I ever heard her referred to as Baroness Thatcher. I mean, it's not as though I followed her career with any particular attention, and I didn't even see the Streep film, but you'd think I'd have picked up on the Baroness thing at least once in all that time.

Hmm.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
90. I highly recommend The Iron Lady, the film with Streep as Thatcher
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 11:25 AM
Apr 2013

It is really very good, the piece is far more than a simple bio pic. Loved the screenplay and direction as much as the performances. She got the title in 92.

Paladin

(28,173 posts)
58. Took a look at some right wing sites this morning.
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 10:17 AM
Apr 2013

Let me save you folks the trouble: Maggie Thatcher, Ronnie Reagan and Pope John Paul II were the Blessed Trinity who presided over the apex of human achievement in the entire history of the world, AND it's fortunate that they're all gone now, because liberal socialism is about to destroy all life on the planet.

I kid you not: that is the tenor of the posts over at Lucienne.com and FreiRepublik right now......

polly7

(20,582 posts)
68. You're forgetting one.
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 10:46 AM
Apr 2013

He didn't get as much international awareness, but he was voted Canada's most hated politician.

Thatcher, Reagan, and Mulroney: In Search of a New Bureaucracy

Donald J. Savoie

University of Pittsburgh Pre, Jan 15, 1994 - Political Science - 432 pages

Savoie considers the war of reform waged by the leaders of these major industrial countries. Reagan declared that he had come to Washington to “drain the swamp” of bureaucracy, and set up the Grace Commission to investigate the operation of the U.S. government. Thatcher and Mulroney were equally committed to reform and initiated wide-ranging changes. By the end of the 1990s, the changes were dramatic. Many governments operations had been privatized in all three countries, and new management techniques had been introduced. In Great Britain, one observer judged that the changes were historically as important as the collapse of Keynesian economics.


http://books.google.ca/books/about/Thatcher_Reagan_and_Mulroney.html?id=FHKmP7Mhn_gC&redir_esc=y

Paladin

(28,173 posts)
72. Hey, if you want to check for Mulroney's presence, be my guest.
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 10:50 AM
Apr 2013

I've done all the conservative site lurking I'm going to do, today.....

Yukari Yakumo

(3,013 posts)
69. I guess the Scots are getting to work on the hole straight to Hell then...
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 10:46 AM
Apr 2013

..if someone funds them. Maybe we can get a kickstarter going...



"For 3 million you could give everyone in Scotland a shovel, and we could dig a hole so deep we could hand her over to Satan personnally" -- Frankie Boyle

ButterflyBlood

(12,644 posts)
70. Lots of Brits are popping champagne bottles now
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 10:47 AM
Apr 2013

I mean that literally, not as a figure of speech. I've been told saving a special bottle for when she went was a fairly common practice in some circles. Well to those enjoy, and condolences to her family.

Warpy

(110,746 posts)
77. You'd be surprised
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 10:58 AM
Apr 2013

Parties are being planned in Yorkshire and Wales, especially, where the scars left by her destruction of the main industry, coal, are still painfully felt.

She was willing to destroy a profitable industry just to get rid of some of the unions.

You'd better believe glasses are being lifted in honor of her death. Lack of class has nothing to do with it. Being working class does.

Renew Deal

(81,774 posts)
73. I'm sorry to hear that.
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 10:50 AM
Apr 2013

Though I didn't know she was still alive. She must have stayed out of public life.

 

Arugula Latte

(50,566 posts)
87. This has to be posted:
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 11:20 AM
Apr 2013

I sometimes wonder if I'll ever get the chance / Just to sing to my children in a holiday jam / Our lives seem petty in your cold gray hands / Would you give a second thought, would you ever give a damn? / I doubt it / stand down Margaret



alarimer

(16,245 posts)
98. She was a pioneer in the art of waging stupid, pointless little wars for fun and profit.
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 12:27 PM
Apr 2013

In a last-gasp of a dying empire, over some rocks in the South Atlantic nobody wants or needs.

Fortunately, Reagan and the Bushes have carried on with useless, pointless little wars ever since.

Beacool

(30,243 posts)
101. I disliked Thatcher as much as I disliked Reagan.
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 12:40 PM
Apr 2013

Two peas in the same evil pod. Having said that, she was a human being and there are people grieving her loss. My condolences to her family.

Rest in peace.

 

Adenoid_Hynkel

(14,093 posts)
108. Now who's going to defend the murderous Gen. Pinochet and his regime?
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 12:53 PM
Apr 2013

I imagine it's a little hot where they're reuniting

secondvariety

(1,245 posts)
112. I think she
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 01:13 PM
Apr 2013

had a crush on ol' Pinochet. Must have been the uniform and all those gee gaws pinned to his chest.

jzodda

(2,124 posts)
127. RIP Thatcher
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 11:51 PM
Apr 2013

Its a shame that in life you didn't see the damage you were doing by destroying a great nation. The trade unions were an integral part of the nation and you ruined something that helped the poor and middle class. Now they are at the mercy of the corporations, as we are now as well it seems.

Any of your accomplishments on the world stage should be measured against what you did domestically and if judged together and taken as a whole you were a miserable failure.

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