House Republicans Order Journalists Arrested at Public Hearing.
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/01/house-republicans-order-j_n_1246971.htmlWASHINGTON -- In a stunning break with First Amendment policy on Capitol Hill, House Republicans directed Capitol Hill police to detain a highly regarded documentary crew that was attempting to film a Wednesday hearing on a controversial natural gas procurement practice. Republicans also denied the entrance of a credentialed ABC News news team that was attempting to film the event.
Josh Fox, director of the Academy Award-nominated documentary "Gasland" was taken into custody by Capitol Hill police this morning, along with his crew, after Republicans objected to their presence, according to Democratic sources present at the hearing. The meeting of the House Subcommittee on Energy and Environment had been taking place in room 2318 of the Rayburn building. Rep. Brad Miller (D-N.C.), the ranking Democrat on the committee, is currently seeking to secure a procedural maneuver that would allow the detained film crew to re-enter the hearing, which is open to the public. Miller's motion is not expected to succeed.
Approximately 16 officers entered the hearing room and handcuffed Fox amid audible discussions of "disorderly conduct" charges, according to Democratic sources present at the arrest.
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UPDATE: 12:09 p.m. -- Capitol Police public information officer Seargant Kimberly Schneider provided the following statement to HuffPost on the morning's events:
"At approximately 10:30 a.m. today, United States Capitol Police arrested Joshua Fox of Milanville, Pa. in room 2318 of the Rayburn House office building. He is charged with unlawful entry, and he is currently being processed at United States Capitol Police headquarters
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UPDATE: 4:45 p.m. -- Rep. Jerry Nadler (D-N.Y.) told HuffPost, I have served in the House of Representatives since 1992, and I had the privilege of chairing the Subcommittee on the Constitution, Civil Rights, and Civil Liberties. In all that time, I cannot recall a chair of any committee or subcommittee having ever ordered the removal of a person who was filming a committee proceeding and not being disruptive, whether or not that person was accredited. It is a matter of routine that all sorts of people photograph and record our proceedings. Most of them are not accredited. I cannot recall anyone questioning their right to be there."
myrna minx
(22,772 posts)Here's a link to H2O man's thread with the backstory:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002249512
groundloop
(11,518 posts)Filmmaker Without Credentials Arrested at Hearing
"A documentary filmmaker has been arrested at a House hearing after trying to film the proceedings without the required credentials."
Strange.
The Wielding Truth
(11,415 posts)yellowcanine
(35,699 posts)Can't have it both ways. And every public hearing could quickly turn into a circus if anybody and everybody was allowed to film the event. No one allows this. Not even your local town council.
zbdent
(35,392 posts)they probably left in the dialogue ...
edited to add:
And wasn't O'Keefe on what is considered private property, whereas we are constantly reminded by the RWers that the House, Senate, and White House are the "taxpayers'" buildings?
yellowcanine
(35,699 posts)you? How would that work?
chervilant
(8,267 posts)I don't want fear-mongers to have free reign on DU, but, oh, well...
yellowcanine
(35,699 posts)I guess when you don't have an answer you don't have an answer.
saras
(6,670 posts)"whether or not that person was accredited. It is a matter of routine that all sorts of people photograph and record our proceedings. Most of them are not accredited. I cannot recall anyone questioning their right to be there."
The historical process is that journalists are NOT accredited, any more than police are accredited by criminal suspects. What a stupid idea.
fasttense
(17,301 posts)The RepubliCONS didn't seem to mind the gay male prostitutes asking the bush questions, why do they mind this guy?
Actually I think O'Keefes would be welcome with open arms by the same RepubliCONS who kicked out this journalist.
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)They do what they want, rules don't apply
yellowcanine
(35,699 posts)out of fear of the consequences or just because they want to be law abiding. The fact that some people won't obey those rules is not a reason not to have them.
carla
(553 posts)It is known as freedom of the press and it was once a protected right. I don't care if there were a million O'Keefes; the point is about bringing light to government discussions that affect peoples lives. More press freedom, less partisan hackery.
PavePusher
(15,374 posts)I'm pretty sure that's not what you really want, but that's what your words just said.
The problem with freedom and liberty, you see, is that they are for... everyone. Even the assholes.
yellowcanine
(35,699 posts)organizations who have a responsibility to fairly record and transmit events to the rest of us. It is hard to see how it would work logistically to allow any asshole with a camera into all public hearings.
PavePusher
(15,374 posts)And the beauty of having multiple sources is that if anyone (like Okweef) doctors the video, there'll be someone else with the untampered evidence to nuke his credibility.
This works both ways, of course. It's the best, most reliable way to keep the media honest.
yellowcanine
(35,699 posts)ability to see and hear what is going on. Anyone who has been to a kid's ballet recital knows what I am talking about. And they take up space that keeps others from getting in and observing what is going on. If some space in a designated press area can be reserved for a few free lancers on a 1st come basis ok. But I don't see why members of the public who just want to observe their government at work should be inconvenienced because someone has an itch to make a documentary.
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)plus
ABC news was not allowed in either.
Congrats, tho, you managed to use at least 2 of the Twenty-Five Rules of Disinformation:
specifically :
4. Use a straw man. Find or create a seeming element of your opponent's argument which you can easily knock down to make yourself look good and the opponent to look bad.
Either make up an issue you may safely imply exists based on your interpretation of the opponent/opponent arguments/situation..
"But I don't see why members of the public who just want to observe their government at work should be inconvenienced because someone has an itch to make a documentary. "
Nothing in the story stated members of the public were inconvenienced by the filming
and in fact, the filming by both the documentary crew AND ABC would have made it MORE convenient for more members of the public to see "their government at work".
5. Sidetrack opponents with name calling and ridicule:
" Nothing worse than a bunch of amateurs running around filming. "
(comparing experienced documentary film makers and ABC news with amateurs)
The TRUTH is that the Committee did not want media witnessing their actions, even tho it was an OPEN hearing.
The TRUTH is the Republicans in the Committee made the decision to block media.
THAT is the key issue at discussion hear.
yellowcanine
(35,699 posts)And I was giving arguments and hypotheticals about why requiring news credentials is a good idea. It was not about the specifics in this case, which I know nothing about. So your citing strawman, etc is misplaced. Go back through the posts and you will see the truth of this. That is all.
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)THAT is a specific of the case, easily known to anyone who read the OP:
"Republicans also denied the entrance of a credentialed ABC News news team that was attempting to film the event. "
yellowcanine
(35,699 posts)responding to the specific question posed in Response 17. Is it not legitimate to have "side discussions" not directly in response to the OP on DU now without people getting their panties in a wad about it? It seems so. OK. I will refrain if that is the case but kind it makes it a little less interesting, don't you think?
SunSeeker
(51,550 posts)I agree, if people with video cameras start disrupting the proceeding by getting in the well in front of the panel and obscuring the view of the public and repeatedly shouting out comments or making other substantial disruptions, then you can throw them out (and only arrest if they do a criminal act, for Pete's sake!). Here, I haven't read anything to justify arresting these journalists. Have you?
Missy Vixen
(16,207 posts)They've evidently been duped!
>But I don't see why members of the public who just want to observe their government at work should be inconvenienced because someone has an itch to make a documentary.<
I'm a former city councilperson. We didn't kick out anyone with a camera in my memory or experience. There's an entire TV channel in Washington State devoted to public hearings - TV - W. Exactly what right is being infringed on by someone filming the proceedings? I might also mention that the guy in question isn't an "amateur", and you know it. Is Michael Moore an "amateur," too? He's made a few documentaries as well.
BTW, I might also mention that a government hearing has nothing remotely to do with a "ballet recital". Ballerinas don't make policy on behalf of the citizens of the United States.
yellowcanine
(35,699 posts)Basically Response 17 was questioning the need for credentialing of news reporters and I am saying it is necessary and giving reasons why. I wasn't addressing the issue of whether the guy in question was an amateur or not. And I believe Michael Moore likely was a credentialed reporter for all of his projects. He certainly had newspaper experience so would have known how to get credentials. The ballet recital was just giving an example of how thoughtless people "recording the event" can ruin the experience for everyone else. People not carrying a camera have as much right to see and hear policy being made as those recording the event for whatever. Exactly what right is being infringed? How about just the right to see and hear what is going on without being disturbed by people moving around in a crowded room for a better camera angle, bright lights shining in your eyes, etc.
JackRiddler
(24,979 posts)Ban amateurs!
The Wielding Truth
(11,415 posts)MACARD
(105 posts)has the right of Press freedom, freedom of speech, freedom of assembly, even if they are using such freedoms in the interests of Denying these freedoms to the others, and possibly asking for the freedom to murder black people.
The Wielding Truth
(11,415 posts)Rep. Brad Miller (D-N.C.), the ranking Democrat on the committee, is currently seeking to secure a procedural maneuver that would allow the detained film crew to re-enter the hearing, which is open to the public.
chervilant
(8,267 posts)Really?!
So, we should all be good little bots and avoid anything that might trod upon the toes of the criminals infesting our government?!
I respectfully decline.
October
(3,363 posts)The Wielding Truth
(11,415 posts)roody
(10,849 posts)SusanaMontana41
(3,233 posts)What is it about "this land is your land, this land is my land" that isn't clear?
yellowcanine
(35,699 posts)who videotapes "wrong doing" and then selectively edits it. Not having any restrictions at all on filming events means people like James O'Keefe will be able to film whatever whenever and edit the results to fit their meme of the day.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_O'Keefe
And note one more time - I was responding to the question as to whether credentials should be required for news reporters. Requiring reporters and photographers to have credentials is not restricting free speech.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/first_amendment
Congress shall make no law . . . abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
How do you define "abridging"?
I would define it to prohibit our government from curtailing or cutting short our freedom of speech, and of the press to any degree. I think the plain language of the First Amendment is utterly clear and that a lot of Supreme Court decisions on this issue are utterly wrong.
The Wielding Truth
(11,415 posts)SusanaMontana41
(3,233 posts)for the masses here at DU? I cannot believe what I'm reading.
You are fighting the good fight. The only fight.
bread_and_roses
(6,335 posts)freshwest
(53,661 posts)Any doubts about the GOP being the party of oppression should be dismissed.
orwell
(7,771 posts)...does anyone need any more proof that the Cons are morphing into the brown shirts?
southernyankeebelle
(11,304 posts)are playing victim again.
Chill Keney
(23 posts)James O'Keefe, who fancies himself a journalist.
rfranklin
(13,200 posts)Or can we call a spade a shovel?
atreides1
(16,072 posts)We have to actually wait until they start transporting people to camps or re-education centers...but by then it'll be too late!
northoftheborder
(7,572 posts)msongs
(67,394 posts)Demeter
(85,373 posts)Sue those suckers out of the re-election funds.
Bozita
(26,955 posts)Old and In the Way
(37,540 posts)Looks like the Conservatives aren't much interested in providing a video record of their plans to destroy the environment in order to payback their energy masters who provide their election/campaign $.
truebrit71
(20,805 posts)..are they?
Holy shit...
The Wielding Truth
(11,415 posts)alfredo
(60,071 posts)Islandlife
(212 posts)When did this happen?
elleng
(130,864 posts)The real issue is, what is DEFINED as disorderly; that is up to the judiciary to determine, if police action is complained about.
daleanime
(17,796 posts)This summer and fall are going to be quite interesting.
Missy Vixen
(16,207 posts)I was chatting with my husband on that subject last night.
I'm older, but it's time for all of us to stand up, isn't it?
Atman
(31,464 posts)This is unbelievable. Arresting people for telling the public what the government is doing. Is there any turning back, or are we totally fucked?
.
raouldukelives
(5,178 posts)Oh shit. Too late.
Well, at least we are still free to do as they tell us.
Bozita
(26,955 posts)elleng
(130,864 posts)We now know who THEY is!
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)Plucketeer
(12,882 posts)Brazen and blatant tromping of openess and honesty. I agree that if it were FOX instead of Fox, they'd have been embraced and appreciated. THIS is disgusting!
lovuian
(19,362 posts)It is a PUBLIC Meeting
In what way are they to be arrested?
elleng
(130,864 posts)deminks
(11,014 posts)That is the only remaining question on my mind today.
provis99
(13,062 posts)read Inside Congress by Ronald Kessler, to see how scummy and useless the Capitol Police really are.
leveymg
(36,418 posts)I'm sure that will make the process much more orderly.
If you're not a full Member of The Club, with credentials to prove it, you're a terrorist.
Secret government is here.
MACARD
(105 posts)the fall of democracy begins with the abridgment of liberty.
leveymg
(36,418 posts)Off to GITMO for unauthorized journalism! Military Tribunals for them! No habeas corpus for spies and traitors to the Homeland!
savannah43
(575 posts)What are you hiding?
Is it just me or have things turned really ugly today?
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)Freedom cannot live on a diet of lies, surrendering to the veil of oppression.
The human spirit cannot live on a diet of oppression, becoming subservient in the end to the will of evil. "
from:
Eight Traits of the Disinformationalist
http://www.whale.to/b/sweeney.html
bread_and_roses
(6,335 posts)That's why.
AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)Stuart G
(38,414 posts)Kelvin Mace
(17,469 posts)that we are now a de facto police state.
People keep calling me crazy and extreme.
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)than Argentina, because at least Pinochet made no bones about being a dictator and people knew where they stood.
his comments are pretty revealing, in this On the Edge episode..
http://www.youtube DOT COM /watch?v=XWD-VSvvQrI
I left the link to be typed in , did not want a video in my post.
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)There were various dictators in Argentina during the Pinochet years.
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)I double checked....Lira went to school in Chile, not Argentina.
Thanks for the correction.
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)They both had thugs in power who arranged for the disappearance of thousands of their respective citizens
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)sigh.
caseymoz
(5,763 posts)That's the likely bright side. Even Tea Partiers can't go along with a break in press freedom this blatant. They're paranoid enough about being arrested expressing what they believe that this could shake them, and arrests of journalists are something "those people" in other, "foreign" countries do. Conservatives may not be astute about any subtle oppressions of press freedom, but if this doesn't sow self-doubt, nothing will. Whereas with Manning and Assange, the GOP could explain that away as a foreigner and a break of trust with the military, this can have no such justification.
What's more, this was their leaders leaders in Congress. They can't possibly shift the blame to Obama for this.
I think the GOP has wounded the gas industry as well, and both had to be pretty desperate to hide what was coming out to try this. And even the corporate press will be all over this for the next week at least.
Now, for the pessimistic side: since they've started arresting journalists, that means they don't have to stop.
Stuart G
(38,414 posts)Autumn Colors
(2,379 posts)From the NYT article:
If it was already being broadcast live on the internet, why would ANYONE need permission to film it?
excellent question. those repub fools are mad with power - and hate this guy already for doing the film "Gasland". this is why he was targeted - they were abusing their power - cause they are assholes. i hope the guy sues.
Found in Yonkers
(100 posts)End of discussion!
savannah43
(575 posts)members and workings secret. Watch it escalate.
eyewall
(674 posts)I see no difference when a public policy meeting is kept secret from the public. In both of these cases it's energy that is the subject of the meeting. It's easy to see where this secret shadowy government is emanating from.
Real journalism has been the enemy of the state since 2001.
slay
(7,670 posts)fuck these assholes - they don't represent us - they represent their corporate masters!!!
RoccoR5955
(12,471 posts)Mothra folkers!
UCmeNdc
(9,600 posts)GOP said Keep our activities a secret from those voters!
Is this a dictatorship in the making?
slay
(7,670 posts)doing the bidding of rich republican fools - who are mad with power. the police don't "protect and serve" us, the regular people - they protect the rich and powerful FROM us.
It was a PUBLIC hearing - this is bullshit.
freefaller62
(30 posts)You have that right!
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)btw, the hearing was webcast on the internet live, and the archived webcast is reachable here:
This is the page for the hearing, listing the witnesses and so forth:
http://science.house.gov/hearing/energy-and-environment-subcommittee-epa-hydraulic-fracturing-research
This is the video:
http://science.edgeboss.net/wmedia/science/sst2012/020112.wvx
joshcryer
(62,269 posts)Wow.
Mr. Miller: "Allow all Gods children to film this hearing until the room is too full to conduct business."
They do a pan back and you can see about 20 seats available, plenty of room.
gopiscrap
(23,756 posts)Nazi
olddad56
(5,732 posts)There's something happening here
What it is ain't exactly clear
There's a man with a gun over there
Telling me I got to beware
I think it's time we stop, children, what's that sound
Everybody look what's going down
There's battle lines being drawn
Nobody's right if everybody's wrong
Young people speaking their minds
Getting so much resistance from behind
I think it's time we stop, hey, what's that sound
Everybody look what's going down
What a field-day for the heat
A thousand people in the street
Singing songs and carrying signs
Mostly say, hooray for our side
It's time we stop, hey, what's that sound
Everybody look what's going down
Paranoia strikes deep
Into your life it will creep
It starts when you're always afraid
You step out of line, the man come and take you away
We better stop, hey, what's that sound
Everybody look what's going down
Stop, hey, what's that sound
Everybody look what's going down
Stop, now, what's that sound
Everybody look what's going down
Stop, children, what's that sound
Everybody look what's going down
Firebrand Gary
(5,044 posts)Unbelievable.
gtar100
(4,192 posts)#2 Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights
#6 Controlled Mass Media
#9 Corporate Power is Protected
Point being - We need to call a spade a spade. Republicans have become Fascists in full form.
Javaman
(62,517 posts)Even if Obama gets reelected, all that does is delay the inevitable.
a repuke will be back in the white house one day, and given not only the current field of functioning moron current running in the repuke primaries, there is nothing waiting in the wings of the repuke "up and comers" that tells me anything less than fascism is on it's way. Might not happen this year, but four years from now, unless we Dems put up someone truly remarkable, the repukes will more than likely get in.
ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)sulphurdunn
(6,891 posts)I've heard in defense of arresting these "uncredentialed" journalists is that it would also keep the James O'Keefs out. Little scum suckers like O'Keefe do not forfeit their 1st Amendment rights just becasue they're little shrimp dick scum suckers. Besides, it is self-evident that the Republican majority didn't want a potentially unsympathetic record of their sell-out, and that is why one film crew was arrested and the other prohibited entry. I'm certain O'Keefe would have been more than welcome there.
smiley
(1,432 posts)Anyone who knows anything about the history of our govt will know that our so called leaders have been suppressing the freedom of speech pretty much since the damn amendment was written. Mostly in support of big business interests. Sometimes the hypocrisy of
our government drives me mad.
jimlup
(7,968 posts)mean fucks... excuse me. There just isn't other language to describe these ...
madrchsod
(58,162 posts)I bet you a million bucks they would have welcomed Fox News in there with open arms.
ChairmanAgnostic
(28,017 posts)Awesome. This is America?
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)ChairmanAgnostic
(28,017 posts)roody
(10,849 posts)radhika
(1,008 posts)Available on DVD and various online services. Bring out the popcorn, spirits and fun.
fasttense
(17,301 posts)We are no longer ruled by laws and regulations. We are ruled by the whims of the rich and powerful.
florida08
(4,106 posts)Andy Harris sounds more like Joseph Goebbels. Unlawful entry eh..to a public open meeting? The democrats should jump on this with ads showing how republicans lead.
Harris is a proponent of fracking but worse than that he is a coward. What's sad is that the police are now the SS.
Major Hogwash
(17,656 posts)Or they won't be working in Washington very long.
Major Hogwash
(17,656 posts)That would be a career ender for any RepubliCON who told him to get out.
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)countryjake
(8,554 posts)Solly Mack
(90,762 posts)santamargarita
(3,170 posts)GeorgeGist
(25,319 posts)Only 2 officers were involved in Mr. Fox arrest.
I guess it's more outrageous if 2 = approximately 16.
UnrepentantLiberal
(11,700 posts)dmallind
(10,437 posts)JackRiddler
(24,979 posts)Uncle Joe
(58,348 posts)Thanks for the thread, Stuart G.