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Stuart G

(38,414 posts)
Wed Feb 1, 2012, 02:10 PM Feb 2012

House Republicans Order Journalists Arrested at Public Hearing.

Last edited Wed Feb 1, 2012, 05:59 PM - Edit history (1)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/01/house-republicans-order-j_n_1246971.html

WASHINGTON -- In a stunning break with First Amendment policy on Capitol Hill, House Republicans directed Capitol Hill police to detain a highly regarded documentary crew that was attempting to film a Wednesday hearing on a controversial natural gas procurement practice. Republicans also denied the entrance of a credentialed ABC News news team that was attempting to film the event.

Josh Fox, director of the Academy Award-nominated documentary "Gasland" was taken into custody by Capitol Hill police this morning, along with his crew, after Republicans objected to their presence, according to Democratic sources present at the hearing. The meeting of the House Subcommittee on Energy and Environment had been taking place in room 2318 of the Rayburn building. Rep. Brad Miller (D-N.C.), the ranking Democrat on the committee, is currently seeking to secure a procedural maneuver that would allow the detained film crew to re-enter the hearing, which is open to the public. Miller's motion is not expected to succeed.

Approximately 16 officers entered the hearing room and handcuffed Fox amid audible discussions of "disorderly conduct" charges, according to Democratic sources present at the arrest.
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UPDATE: 12:09 p.m. -- Capitol Police public information officer Seargant Kimberly Schneider provided the following statement to HuffPost on the morning's events:

"At approximately 10:30 a.m. today, United States Capitol Police arrested Joshua Fox of Milanville, Pa. in room 2318 of the Rayburn House office building. He is charged with unlawful entry, and he is currently being processed at United States Capitol Police headquarters
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UPDATE: 4:45 p.m. -- Rep. Jerry Nadler (D-N.Y.) told HuffPost, “I have served in the House of Representatives since 1992, and I had the privilege of chairing the Subcommittee on the Constitution, Civil Rights, and Civil Liberties. In all that time, I cannot recall a chair of any committee or subcommittee having ever ordered the removal of a person who was filming a committee proceeding and not being disruptive, whether or not that person was accredited. It is a matter of routine that all sorts of people photograph and record our proceedings. Most of them are not accredited. I cannot recall anyone questioning their right to be there."
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House Republicans Order Journalists Arrested at Public Hearing. (Original Post) Stuart G Feb 2012 OP
Wow! Thanks for posting the update. myrna minx Feb 2012 #1
ABC News website said they DID NOT have credentials groundloop Feb 2012 #16
Should we need credentials to film our government at work? The Wielding Truth Feb 2012 #17
Yes. Unless you want the O'Keefes of the world to have free reign. yellowcanine Feb 2012 #34
not sure if these guys were down to O'Keefes' level ... zbdent Feb 2012 #35
I don't want hordes of O'Keefes to have free access to the House, Senate and White House either. Do yellowcanine Feb 2012 #40
Well, now, chervilant Feb 2012 #50
Yeah that's a cogent on topic argument ..... yellowcanine Feb 2012 #54
What IS instead of what you want... saras Feb 2012 #86
? yellowcanine Feb 2012 #89
And didn't the bushes let in gay male prostitutes as reporters? fasttense Feb 2012 #66
It's not like something as silly as the law would keep the O'Keefes out Blue_Tires Feb 2012 #75
You are probably right about that. But rules are made to help people do the right thing, whether yellowcanine Feb 2012 #78
That is what I want. carla Feb 2012 #104
So, "transparency" only for the vetted elite? PavePusher Feb 2012 #37
You can look at it that way I suppose - or accept (as I do) that there is a place for news yellowcanine Feb 2012 #38
Simple, first in line get into the room until it's full. PavePusher Feb 2012 #41
Nothing worse than a bunch of amateurs running around filming. They interfere with everyone elses yellowcanine Feb 2012 #47
"highly respected documentations" are not exactly amateurs dixiegrrrrl Feb 2012 #55
Note: My posts were in response to: 17. Should we need credentials to film our government at work? yellowcanine Feb 2012 #67
ABC news had credentials and were blocked. dixiegrrrrl Feb 2012 #68
And I never mentioned ABC, or said that they should not have been allowed in. Again, I was yellowcanine Feb 2012 #73
If they interfere with the hearing THEN you arrest them, not BEFORE SunSeeker Feb 2012 #57
You might want to call the Academy Awards people Missy Vixen Feb 2012 #72
See Response 67. And I made no arguments against the premise of filming proceedings. yellowcanine Feb 2012 #76
This post endorsed by the Chinese Communist Party. JackRiddler Feb 2012 #117
Yes, or a lottery draw of those who wish to video. The Wielding Truth Feb 2012 #62
they are really sad trash but nonetheless, even the Racist Organization of the KKK MACARD Feb 2012 #39
"the hearing, which is open to the public" The Wielding Truth Feb 2012 #69
OMG! chervilant Feb 2012 #45
OKeefe was allowed access. His CRIMES came afterwards when he doctored footage. /nt October Feb 2012 #64
Well, criminals may need to be blocked. The Wielding Truth Feb 2012 #70
This is a false comparison. roody Feb 2012 #95
That is as an outrageous a statement as I've read on DU. EVER. SusanaMontana41 Feb 2012 #114
Huh? Do you understand the O'Keefe reference? O'Keefe is a wannabe muckraker. yellowcanine Feb 2012 #116
Let the First Amendment speak for itself. JDPriestly Feb 2012 #53
I agree. The Wielding Truth Feb 2012 #71
People object to some posts on DU. But did you ever think you'd have to defend free speech SusanaMontana41 Feb 2012 #115
No, we should not (n/t) bread_and_roses Feb 2012 #61
Thanks for that link and thanks to Stuart G. The gloves are off now. freshwest Feb 2012 #94
First they came for the journalists... orwell Feb 2012 #2
Hell no. You got them just right. It seems to be 1984 movie. The crazy thing is they republicans southernyankeebelle Feb 2012 #5
But they'll never come after Chill Keney Feb 2012 #111
Are comparisons to totalitarian strongmen now out of order? rfranklin Feb 2012 #3
Yes they are still out of order! atreides1 Feb 2012 #19
Frightening news. Has this ever happened before in hearings?????? northoftheborder Feb 2012 #4
should be some great video of this soon and ABC news needs to lead with the story nt msongs Feb 2012 #6
LAWSUIT! Demeter Feb 2012 #7
Outfuckingrageous! ... More GOPer transparency, eh? Bozita Feb 2012 #8
Can't have The People know what deals are being made by the bought-and-paid for Kochsucking Caucus Old and In the Way Feb 2012 #9
Wow is right....they aren't even bothering to put up a facade of civility anymore... truebrit71 Feb 2012 #10
I thought at first. In what country did this happen? Not in US? Not here? The Wielding Truth Feb 2012 #32
If it had been Fox "News" instead of Josh Fox, complete access would have been afforded. alfredo Feb 2012 #11
Disorderly conduct is now against the law? Islandlife Feb 2012 #12
'Disorderly conduct' has always been against the law. elleng Feb 2012 #21
This is feakin' insane! daleanime Feb 2012 #13
Absolutely Missy Vixen Feb 2012 #74
It's official. We've become a banana republic. Atman Feb 2012 #14
What's next? Gonna revoke the right to peacefully assemble? raouldukelives Feb 2012 #15
"They hate us for our freedoms." - George W. Bush Bozita Feb 2012 #18
He was right, but the question is, who is 'they?' elleng Feb 2012 #26
And yet, even under Bush, we had the AttorneyGate hearings in public view. dixiegrrrrl Feb 2012 #59
Just WOW! Plucketeer Feb 2012 #20
What are they afraid of? lovuian Feb 2012 #22
Filming, prolly; obviously not just sitting in the gallery/audience. elleng Feb 2012 #27
How much more are we going to take? deminks Feb 2012 #23
The Capitol Police are the country's most contemptible police force. provis99 Feb 2012 #24
Why not arrest all the Democrats on the Committee and their staff for Disorderly Conduct? leveymg Feb 2012 #25
i can see it now: rethugs saying Shh you arn't supposed to expose our plans. MACARD Feb 2012 #33
Obviously, the brave Capitol Police acted to protect national secrets. leveymg Feb 2012 #36
They should answer one simple question: savannah43 Feb 2012 #49
"Truth cannot live on a diet of secrets, withering within entangled lies. dixiegrrrrl Feb 2012 #60
Nearly all the Democrats ARE "Members of the Club" bread_and_roses Feb 2012 #63
Fascist a-holes. Shame on the House GOP. AtomicKitten Feb 2012 #28
I've looked around..two hours later..for some reason MSM ignoring this ,but at Daily Kos & Truth OUt Stuart G Feb 2012 #29
I have been stating since 2003 Kelvin Mace Feb 2012 #30
Gonzalo Lira, who lived in Argentina under Pinochet, said the US is WORSE dixiegrrrrl Feb 2012 #65
Pinochet was in Chile Art_from_Ark Feb 2012 #121
Art, you are correct, my error. dixiegrrrrl Feb 2012 #123
I can see how it would be easy to confuse the two countries Art_from_Ark Feb 2012 #124
You keep saying that and you will be called a terrorist, too. dixiegrrrrl Feb 2012 #122
I think the GOP has probably just killed itself. caseymoz Feb 2012 #31
This story hit the New YOrk Times one minute ago..from Reuters: Stuart G Feb 2012 #42
It was already being streamed live on the internet??? Autumn Colors Feb 2012 #43
+1 slay Feb 2012 #58
"which is open to the public." Found in Yonkers Feb 2012 #44
This is a result of letting Cheney keep his energy committee savannah43 Feb 2012 #46
A result or a continuation. eyewall Feb 2012 #98
GOP = huge fans of hidden government and backroom deals slay Feb 2012 #48
They should be having themselves arrested! RoccoR5955 Feb 2012 #51
Information is power, the uninformed are helpless! UCmeNdc Feb 2012 #52
And the police state marches on slay Feb 2012 #56
they protect the rich and powerful FROM us freefaller62 Feb 2012 #81
Complete Video of the Hearing Here jberryhill Feb 2012 #77
Thanks for the link it happens right at the start. Enfuriating. Thanks Mr. Miller. joshcryer Feb 2012 #99
Republican is just English for gopiscrap Feb 2012 #79
For what it's worth olddad56 Feb 2012 #80
Outrageous! The GOP is so Effing out of control. Firebrand Gary Feb 2012 #82
It's because these republicans are FASCISTS. Period. gtar100 Feb 2012 #83
yet another glimpse of what things will be like when the repukes are back in charge. Javaman Feb 2012 #84
scumbags ibegurpard Feb 2012 #85
The only argument sulphurdunn Feb 2012 #87
This shouldn't be a surprise. smiley Feb 2012 #88
These reptilian tea bagger elected fuck heads are jimlup Feb 2012 #90
same shit walker and his minions pulled in wisconsin.... madrchsod Feb 2012 #91
Wow. Al Rowden Feb 2012 #92
Just saw the video. ChairmanAgnostic Feb 2012 #93
The video of the hearing no one can see... jberryhill Feb 2012 #100
Yes. Of the arrest ChairmanAgnostic Feb 2012 #102
This will draw more attention to the issue. roody Feb 2012 #96
Time for a "GasLand" viewing party this weekend radhika Feb 2012 #97
The rules are applied willy nilly on the whims of a rich man. fasttense Feb 2012 #101
the People's House? florida08 Feb 2012 #103
The RepubliCONS need to remember they work for us, all of us. Major Hogwash Feb 2012 #105
We should get Michael Moore to show up and film them. Major Hogwash Feb 2012 #106
VIDEOS: L. Coyote Feb 2012 #107
Thanks for posting that! countryjake Feb 2012 #119
K&R Solly Mack Feb 2012 #108
Typical Goddamn Teabaggers - We need a documentary on this bunch of idiots! santamargarita Feb 2012 #109
According to the video I saw: GeorgeGist Feb 2012 #110
Strait-up fascism. UnrepentantLiberal Feb 2012 #112
Not ALL House Reoublicans - you should say "SOME" to avoid bigotry! dmallind Feb 2012 #113
Kick for a hero. JackRiddler Feb 2012 #118
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Feb 2012 #120

groundloop

(11,518 posts)
16. ABC News website said they DID NOT have credentials
Wed Feb 1, 2012, 02:49 PM
Feb 2012
http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/wireStory/filmmaker-credentials-arrested-hearing-15490567#.TymIYYF3tQI

Filmmaker Without Credentials Arrested at Hearing

"A documentary filmmaker has been arrested at a House hearing after trying to film the proceedings without the required credentials."

Strange.


yellowcanine

(35,699 posts)
34. Yes. Unless you want the O'Keefes of the world to have free reign.
Wed Feb 1, 2012, 03:21 PM
Feb 2012

Can't have it both ways. And every public hearing could quickly turn into a circus if anybody and everybody was allowed to film the event. No one allows this. Not even your local town council.

zbdent

(35,392 posts)
35. not sure if these guys were down to O'Keefes' level ...
Wed Feb 1, 2012, 03:25 PM
Feb 2012

they probably left in the dialogue ...

edited to add:

And wasn't O'Keefe on what is considered private property, whereas we are constantly reminded by the RWers that the House, Senate, and White House are the "taxpayers'" buildings?

yellowcanine

(35,699 posts)
40. I don't want hordes of O'Keefes to have free access to the House, Senate and White House either. Do
Wed Feb 1, 2012, 03:41 PM
Feb 2012

you? How would that work?

yellowcanine

(35,699 posts)
54. Yeah that's a cogent on topic argument .....
Wed Feb 1, 2012, 04:40 PM
Feb 2012

I guess when you don't have an answer you don't have an answer.

 

saras

(6,670 posts)
86. What IS instead of what you want...
Wed Feb 1, 2012, 08:20 PM
Feb 2012

"whether or not that person was accredited. It is a matter of routine that all sorts of people photograph and record our proceedings. Most of them are not accredited. I cannot recall anyone questioning their right to be there."

The historical process is that journalists are NOT accredited, any more than police are accredited by criminal suspects. What a stupid idea.

 

fasttense

(17,301 posts)
66. And didn't the bushes let in gay male prostitutes as reporters?
Wed Feb 1, 2012, 05:06 PM
Feb 2012

The RepubliCONS didn't seem to mind the gay male prostitutes asking the bush questions, why do they mind this guy?

Actually I think O'Keefes would be welcome with open arms by the same RepubliCONS who kicked out this journalist.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
75. It's not like something as silly as the law would keep the O'Keefes out
Wed Feb 1, 2012, 05:34 PM
Feb 2012

They do what they want, rules don't apply

yellowcanine

(35,699 posts)
78. You are probably right about that. But rules are made to help people do the right thing, whether
Wed Feb 1, 2012, 06:10 PM
Feb 2012

out of fear of the consequences or just because they want to be law abiding. The fact that some people won't obey those rules is not a reason not to have them.

carla

(553 posts)
104. That is what I want.
Thu Feb 2, 2012, 08:31 AM
Feb 2012

It is known as freedom of the press and it was once a protected right. I don't care if there were a million O'Keefes; the point is about bringing light to government discussions that affect peoples lives. More press freedom, less partisan hackery.

 

PavePusher

(15,374 posts)
37. So, "transparency" only for the vetted elite?
Wed Feb 1, 2012, 03:27 PM
Feb 2012

I'm pretty sure that's not what you really want, but that's what your words just said.

The problem with freedom and liberty, you see, is that they are for... everyone. Even the assholes.

yellowcanine

(35,699 posts)
38. You can look at it that way I suppose - or accept (as I do) that there is a place for news
Wed Feb 1, 2012, 03:36 PM
Feb 2012

organizations who have a responsibility to fairly record and transmit events to the rest of us. It is hard to see how it would work logistically to allow any asshole with a camera into all public hearings.

 

PavePusher

(15,374 posts)
41. Simple, first in line get into the room until it's full.
Wed Feb 1, 2012, 03:45 PM
Feb 2012

And the beauty of having multiple sources is that if anyone (like Okweef) doctors the video, there'll be someone else with the untampered evidence to nuke his credibility.

This works both ways, of course. It's the best, most reliable way to keep the media honest.

yellowcanine

(35,699 posts)
47. Nothing worse than a bunch of amateurs running around filming. They interfere with everyone elses
Wed Feb 1, 2012, 04:18 PM
Feb 2012

ability to see and hear what is going on. Anyone who has been to a kid's ballet recital knows what I am talking about. And they take up space that keeps others from getting in and observing what is going on. If some space in a designated press area can be reserved for a few free lancers on a 1st come basis ok. But I don't see why members of the public who just want to observe their government at work should be inconvenienced because someone has an itch to make a documentary.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
55. "highly respected documentations" are not exactly amateurs
Wed Feb 1, 2012, 04:44 PM
Feb 2012

plus
ABC news was not allowed in either.

Congrats, tho, you managed to use at least 2 of the Twenty-Five Rules of Disinformation:
specifically :

4. Use a straw man. Find or create a seeming element of your opponent's argument which you can easily knock down to make yourself look good and the opponent to look bad.
Either make up an issue you may safely imply exists based on your interpretation of the opponent/opponent arguments/situation..


"But I don't see why members of the public who just want to observe their government at work should be inconvenienced because someone has an itch to make a documentary. "
Nothing in the story stated members of the public were inconvenienced by the filming
and in fact, the filming by both the documentary crew AND ABC would have made it MORE convenient for more members of the public to see "their government at work".

5. Sidetrack opponents with name calling and ridicule:
" Nothing worse than a bunch of amateurs running around filming. "
(comparing experienced documentary film makers and ABC news with amateurs)

The TRUTH is that the Committee did not want media witnessing their actions, even tho it was an OPEN hearing.
The TRUTH is the Republicans in the Committee made the decision to block media.



THAT is the key issue at discussion hear.

yellowcanine

(35,699 posts)
67. Note: My posts were in response to: 17. Should we need credentials to film our government at work?
Wed Feb 1, 2012, 05:15 PM
Feb 2012

And I was giving arguments and hypotheticals about why requiring news credentials is a good idea. It was not about the specifics in this case, which I know nothing about. So your citing strawman, etc is misplaced. Go back through the posts and you will see the truth of this. That is all.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
68. ABC news had credentials and were blocked.
Wed Feb 1, 2012, 05:21 PM
Feb 2012

THAT is a specific of the case, easily known to anyone who read the OP:
"Republicans also denied the entrance of a credentialed ABC News news team that was attempting to film the event. "

yellowcanine

(35,699 posts)
73. And I never mentioned ABC, or said that they should not have been allowed in. Again, I was
Wed Feb 1, 2012, 05:28 PM
Feb 2012

responding to the specific question posed in Response 17. Is it not legitimate to have "side discussions" not directly in response to the OP on DU now without people getting their panties in a wad about it? It seems so. OK. I will refrain if that is the case but kind it makes it a little less interesting, don't you think?

SunSeeker

(51,550 posts)
57. If they interfere with the hearing THEN you arrest them, not BEFORE
Wed Feb 1, 2012, 04:47 PM
Feb 2012

I agree, if people with video cameras start disrupting the proceeding by getting in the well in front of the panel and obscuring the view of the public and repeatedly shouting out comments or making other substantial disruptions, then you can throw them out (and only arrest if they do a criminal act, for Pete's sake!). Here, I haven't read anything to justify arresting these journalists. Have you?

Missy Vixen

(16,207 posts)
72. You might want to call the Academy Awards people
Wed Feb 1, 2012, 05:28 PM
Feb 2012

They've evidently been duped!

>But I don't see why members of the public who just want to observe their government at work should be inconvenienced because someone has an itch to make a documentary.<

I'm a former city councilperson. We didn't kick out anyone with a camera in my memory or experience. There's an entire TV channel in Washington State devoted to public hearings - TV - W. Exactly what right is being infringed on by someone filming the proceedings? I might also mention that the guy in question isn't an "amateur", and you know it. Is Michael Moore an "amateur," too? He's made a few documentaries as well.

BTW, I might also mention that a government hearing has nothing remotely to do with a "ballet recital". Ballerinas don't make policy on behalf of the citizens of the United States.

yellowcanine

(35,699 posts)
76. See Response 67. And I made no arguments against the premise of filming proceedings.
Wed Feb 1, 2012, 05:54 PM
Feb 2012

Basically Response 17 was questioning the need for credentialing of news reporters and I am saying it is necessary and giving reasons why. I wasn't addressing the issue of whether the guy in question was an amateur or not. And I believe Michael Moore likely was a credentialed reporter for all of his projects. He certainly had newspaper experience so would have known how to get credentials. The ballet recital was just giving an example of how thoughtless people "recording the event" can ruin the experience for everyone else. People not carrying a camera have as much right to see and hear policy being made as those recording the event for whatever. Exactly what right is being infringed? How about just the right to see and hear what is going on without being disturbed by people moving around in a crowded room for a better camera angle, bright lights shining in your eyes, etc.

MACARD

(105 posts)
39. they are really sad trash but nonetheless, even the Racist Organization of the KKK
Wed Feb 1, 2012, 03:37 PM
Feb 2012

has the right of Press freedom, freedom of speech, freedom of assembly, even if they are using such freedoms in the interests of Denying these freedoms to the others, and possibly asking for the freedom to murder black people.

The Wielding Truth

(11,415 posts)
69. "the hearing, which is open to the public"
Wed Feb 1, 2012, 05:22 PM
Feb 2012

Rep. Brad Miller (D-N.C.), the ranking Democrat on the committee, is currently seeking to secure a procedural maneuver that would allow the detained film crew to re-enter the hearing, which is open to the public.

chervilant

(8,267 posts)
45. OMG!
Wed Feb 1, 2012, 04:13 PM
Feb 2012

Really?!

So, we should all be good little bots and avoid anything that might trod upon the toes of the criminals infesting our government?!

I respectfully decline.

SusanaMontana41

(3,233 posts)
114. That is as an outrageous a statement as I've read on DU. EVER.
Thu Feb 2, 2012, 12:45 PM
Feb 2012

What is it about "this land is your land, this land is my land" that isn't clear?

yellowcanine

(35,699 posts)
116. Huh? Do you understand the O'Keefe reference? O'Keefe is a wannabe muckraker.
Thu Feb 2, 2012, 01:05 PM
Feb 2012

who videotapes "wrong doing" and then selectively edits it. Not having any restrictions at all on filming events means people like James O'Keefe will be able to film whatever whenever and edit the results to fit their meme of the day.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_O'Keefe

And note one more time - I was responding to the question as to whether credentials should be required for news reporters. Requiring reporters and photographers to have credentials is not restricting free speech.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
53. Let the First Amendment speak for itself.
Wed Feb 1, 2012, 04:34 PM
Feb 2012

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/first_amendment

Congress shall make no law . . . abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

How do you define "abridging"?

I would define it to prohibit our government from curtailing or cutting short our freedom of speech, and of the press to any degree. I think the plain language of the First Amendment is utterly clear and that a lot of Supreme Court decisions on this issue are utterly wrong.

SusanaMontana41

(3,233 posts)
115. People object to some posts on DU. But did you ever think you'd have to defend free speech
Thu Feb 2, 2012, 12:46 PM
Feb 2012

for the masses here at DU? I cannot believe what I'm reading.

You are fighting the good fight. The only fight.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
94. Thanks for that link and thanks to Stuart G. The gloves are off now.
Thu Feb 2, 2012, 12:04 AM
Feb 2012

Any doubts about the GOP being the party of oppression should be dismissed.

orwell

(7,771 posts)
2. First they came for the journalists...
Wed Feb 1, 2012, 02:15 PM
Feb 2012

...does anyone need any more proof that the Cons are morphing into the brown shirts?

 

southernyankeebelle

(11,304 posts)
5. Hell no. You got them just right. It seems to be 1984 movie. The crazy thing is they republicans
Wed Feb 1, 2012, 02:18 PM
Feb 2012

are playing victim again.

atreides1

(16,072 posts)
19. Yes they are still out of order!
Wed Feb 1, 2012, 02:59 PM
Feb 2012

We have to actually wait until they start transporting people to camps or re-education centers...but by then it'll be too late!

Old and In the Way

(37,540 posts)
9. Can't have The People know what deals are being made by the bought-and-paid for Kochsucking Caucus
Wed Feb 1, 2012, 02:25 PM
Feb 2012

Looks like the Conservatives aren't much interested in providing a video record of their plans to destroy the environment in order to payback their energy masters who provide their election/campaign $.

 

truebrit71

(20,805 posts)
10. Wow is right....they aren't even bothering to put up a facade of civility anymore...
Wed Feb 1, 2012, 02:27 PM
Feb 2012

..are they?

Holy shit...

elleng

(130,864 posts)
21. 'Disorderly conduct' has always been against the law.
Wed Feb 1, 2012, 03:10 PM
Feb 2012

The real issue is, what is DEFINED as disorderly; that is up to the judiciary to determine, if police action is complained about.

Missy Vixen

(16,207 posts)
74. Absolutely
Wed Feb 1, 2012, 05:31 PM
Feb 2012

I was chatting with my husband on that subject last night.

I'm older, but it's time for all of us to stand up, isn't it?

Atman

(31,464 posts)
14. It's official. We've become a banana republic.
Wed Feb 1, 2012, 02:40 PM
Feb 2012

This is unbelievable. Arresting people for telling the public what the government is doing. Is there any turning back, or are we totally fucked?

.

raouldukelives

(5,178 posts)
15. What's next? Gonna revoke the right to peacefully assemble?
Wed Feb 1, 2012, 02:46 PM
Feb 2012

Oh shit. Too late.
Well, at least we are still free to do as they tell us.

 

Plucketeer

(12,882 posts)
20. Just WOW!
Wed Feb 1, 2012, 03:08 PM
Feb 2012

Brazen and blatant tromping of openess and honesty. I agree that if it were FOX instead of Fox, they'd have been embraced and appreciated. THIS is disgusting!

 

provis99

(13,062 posts)
24. The Capitol Police are the country's most contemptible police force.
Wed Feb 1, 2012, 03:11 PM
Feb 2012

read Inside Congress by Ronald Kessler, to see how scummy and useless the Capitol Police really are.

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
25. Why not arrest all the Democrats on the Committee and their staff for Disorderly Conduct?
Wed Feb 1, 2012, 03:11 PM
Feb 2012

I'm sure that will make the process much more orderly.

If you're not a full Member of The Club, with credentials to prove it, you're a terrorist.

Secret government is here.

MACARD

(105 posts)
33. i can see it now: rethugs saying Shh you arn't supposed to expose our plans.
Wed Feb 1, 2012, 03:21 PM
Feb 2012

the fall of democracy begins with the abridgment of liberty.

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
36. Obviously, the brave Capitol Police acted to protect national secrets.
Wed Feb 1, 2012, 03:25 PM
Feb 2012

Off to GITMO for unauthorized journalism! Military Tribunals for them! No habeas corpus for spies and traitors to the Homeland!

savannah43

(575 posts)
49. They should answer one simple question:
Wed Feb 1, 2012, 04:26 PM
Feb 2012

What are you hiding?
Is it just me or have things turned really ugly today?

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
60. "Truth cannot live on a diet of secrets, withering within entangled lies.
Wed Feb 1, 2012, 04:52 PM
Feb 2012

Freedom cannot live on a diet of lies, surrendering to the veil of oppression.
The human spirit cannot live on a diet of oppression, becoming subservient in the end to the will of evil. "

from:
Eight Traits of the Disinformationalist
http://www.whale.to/b/sweeney.html

 

Kelvin Mace

(17,469 posts)
30. I have been stating since 2003
Wed Feb 1, 2012, 03:20 PM
Feb 2012

that we are now a de facto police state.

People keep calling me crazy and extreme.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
65. Gonzalo Lira, who lived in Argentina under Pinochet, said the US is WORSE
Wed Feb 1, 2012, 05:01 PM
Feb 2012

than Argentina, because at least Pinochet made no bones about being a dictator and people knew where they stood.

his comments are pretty revealing, in this On the Edge episode..
http://www.youtube DOT COM /watch?v=XWD-VSvvQrI

I left the link to be typed in , did not want a video in my post.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
123. Art, you are correct, my error.
Fri Feb 3, 2012, 12:17 AM
Feb 2012

I double checked....Lira went to school in Chile, not Argentina.
Thanks for the correction.

Art_from_Ark

(27,247 posts)
124. I can see how it would be easy to confuse the two countries
Fri Feb 3, 2012, 12:33 AM
Feb 2012

They both had thugs in power who arranged for the disappearance of thousands of their respective citizens

caseymoz

(5,763 posts)
31. I think the GOP has probably just killed itself.
Wed Feb 1, 2012, 03:20 PM
Feb 2012

That's the likely bright side. Even Tea Partiers can't go along with a break in press freedom this blatant. They're paranoid enough about being arrested expressing what they believe that this could shake them, and arrests of journalists are something "those people" in other, "foreign" countries do. Conservatives may not be astute about any subtle oppressions of press freedom, but if this doesn't sow self-doubt, nothing will. Whereas with Manning and Assange, the GOP could explain that away as a foreigner and a break of trust with the military, this can have no such justification.

What's more, this was their leaders leaders in Congress. They can't possibly shift the blame to Obama for this.

I think the GOP has wounded the gas industry as well, and both had to be pretty desperate to hide what was coming out to try this. And even the corporate press will be all over this for the next week at least.

Now, for the pessimistic side: since they've started arresting journalists, that means they don't have to stop.
 

Autumn Colors

(2,379 posts)
43. It was already being streamed live on the internet???
Wed Feb 1, 2012, 03:58 PM
Feb 2012

From the NYT article:

Republicans in charge of committee said Fox did not have credentials to tape the hearing, which was already being broadcast live on the Internet.


If it was already being broadcast live on the internet, why would ANYONE need permission to film it?
 

slay

(7,670 posts)
58. +1
Wed Feb 1, 2012, 04:49 PM
Feb 2012

excellent question. those repub fools are mad with power - and hate this guy already for doing the film "Gasland". this is why he was targeted - they were abusing their power - cause they are assholes. i hope the guy sues.

savannah43

(575 posts)
46. This is a result of letting Cheney keep his energy committee
Wed Feb 1, 2012, 04:17 PM
Feb 2012

members and workings secret. Watch it escalate.

eyewall

(674 posts)
98. A result or a continuation.
Thu Feb 2, 2012, 05:05 AM
Feb 2012

I see no difference when a public policy meeting is kept secret from the public. In both of these cases it's energy that is the subject of the meeting. It's easy to see where this secret shadowy government is emanating from.

Real journalism has been the enemy of the state since 2001.

 

slay

(7,670 posts)
48. GOP = huge fans of hidden government and backroom deals
Wed Feb 1, 2012, 04:21 PM
Feb 2012

fuck these assholes - they don't represent us - they represent their corporate masters!!!


UCmeNdc

(9,600 posts)
52. Information is power, the uninformed are helpless!
Wed Feb 1, 2012, 04:30 PM
Feb 2012

GOP said Keep our activities a secret from those voters!

Is this a dictatorship in the making?

 

slay

(7,670 posts)
56. And the police state marches on
Wed Feb 1, 2012, 04:45 PM
Feb 2012

doing the bidding of rich republican fools - who are mad with power. the police don't "protect and serve" us, the regular people - they protect the rich and powerful FROM us.

It was a PUBLIC hearing - this is bullshit.


 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
77. Complete Video of the Hearing Here
Wed Feb 1, 2012, 06:07 PM
Feb 2012

btw, the hearing was webcast on the internet live, and the archived webcast is reachable here:

This is the page for the hearing, listing the witnesses and so forth:

http://science.house.gov/hearing/energy-and-environment-subcommittee-epa-hydraulic-fracturing-research

This is the video:

http://science.edgeboss.net/wmedia/science/sst2012/020112.wvx

joshcryer

(62,269 posts)
99. Thanks for the link it happens right at the start. Enfuriating. Thanks Mr. Miller.
Thu Feb 2, 2012, 05:07 AM
Feb 2012

Wow.

Mr. Miller: "Allow all Gods children to film this hearing until the room is too full to conduct business."

They do a pan back and you can see about 20 seats available, plenty of room.

olddad56

(5,732 posts)
80. For what it's worth
Wed Feb 1, 2012, 06:57 PM
Feb 2012

There's something happening here
What it is ain't exactly clear
There's a man with a gun over there
Telling me I got to beware


I think it's time we stop, children, what's that sound
Everybody look what's going down


There's battle lines being drawn
Nobody's right if everybody's wrong
Young people speaking their minds
Getting so much resistance from behind


I think it's time we stop, hey, what's that sound
Everybody look what's going down


What a field-day for the heat
A thousand people in the street
Singing songs and carrying signs
Mostly say, hooray for our side



It's time we stop, hey, what's that sound
Everybody look what's going down


Paranoia strikes deep
Into your life it will creep
It starts when you're always afraid
You step out of line, the man come and take you away


We better stop, hey, what's that sound
Everybody look what's going down
Stop, hey, what's that sound
Everybody look what's going down
Stop, now, what's that sound
Everybody look what's going down
Stop, children, what's that sound
Everybody look what's going down




gtar100

(4,192 posts)
83. It's because these republicans are FASCISTS. Period.
Wed Feb 1, 2012, 07:57 PM
Feb 2012
The 14 Characteristics of Fascism

#2 Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights

#6 Controlled Mass Media

#9 Corporate Power is Protected

Point being - We need to call a spade a spade. Republicans have become Fascists in full form.

Javaman

(62,517 posts)
84. yet another glimpse of what things will be like when the repukes are back in charge.
Wed Feb 1, 2012, 08:06 PM
Feb 2012

Even if Obama gets reelected, all that does is delay the inevitable.

a repuke will be back in the white house one day, and given not only the current field of functioning moron current running in the repuke primaries, there is nothing waiting in the wings of the repuke "up and comers" that tells me anything less than fascism is on it's way. Might not happen this year, but four years from now, unless we Dems put up someone truly remarkable, the repukes will more than likely get in.

 

sulphurdunn

(6,891 posts)
87. The only argument
Wed Feb 1, 2012, 08:35 PM
Feb 2012

I've heard in defense of arresting these "uncredentialed" journalists is that it would also keep the James O'Keefs out. Little scum suckers like O'Keefe do not forfeit their 1st Amendment rights just becasue they're little shrimp dick scum suckers. Besides, it is self-evident that the Republican majority didn't want a potentially unsympathetic record of their sell-out, and that is why one film crew was arrested and the other prohibited entry. I'm certain O'Keefe would have been more than welcome there.

smiley

(1,432 posts)
88. This shouldn't be a surprise.
Wed Feb 1, 2012, 08:45 PM
Feb 2012

Anyone who knows anything about the history of our govt will know that our so called leaders have been suppressing the freedom of speech pretty much since the damn amendment was written. Mostly in support of big business interests. Sometimes the hypocrisy of
our government drives me mad.

jimlup

(7,968 posts)
90. These reptilian tea bagger elected fuck heads are
Wed Feb 1, 2012, 10:20 PM
Feb 2012

mean fucks... excuse me. There just isn't other language to describe these ...

radhika

(1,008 posts)
97. Time for a "GasLand" viewing party this weekend
Thu Feb 2, 2012, 04:05 AM
Feb 2012

Available on DVD and various online services. Bring out the popcorn, spirits and fun.

 

fasttense

(17,301 posts)
101. The rules are applied willy nilly on the whims of a rich man.
Thu Feb 2, 2012, 05:23 AM
Feb 2012

We are no longer ruled by laws and regulations. We are ruled by the whims of the rich and powerful.

florida08

(4,106 posts)
103. the People's House?
Thu Feb 2, 2012, 08:12 AM
Feb 2012

Andy Harris sounds more like Joseph Goebbels. Unlawful entry eh..to a public open meeting? The democrats should jump on this with ads showing how republicans lead.

Harris is a proponent of fracking but worse than that he is a coward. What's sad is that the police are now the SS.

Major Hogwash

(17,656 posts)
105. The RepubliCONS need to remember they work for us, all of us.
Thu Feb 2, 2012, 08:51 AM
Feb 2012

Or they won't be working in Washington very long.

Major Hogwash

(17,656 posts)
106. We should get Michael Moore to show up and film them.
Thu Feb 2, 2012, 08:54 AM
Feb 2012

That would be a career ender for any RepubliCON who told him to get out.

GeorgeGist

(25,319 posts)
110. According to the video I saw:
Thu Feb 2, 2012, 10:26 AM
Feb 2012
http://www.democraticunderground.com/101710032

Only 2 officers were involved in Mr. Fox arrest.

I guess it's more outrageous if 2 = approximately 16.
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