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Spazito

(50,253 posts)
Thu Dec 8, 2011, 04:04 PM Dec 2011

Fracking likely linked to groundwater pollution in U.S.

The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency may have linked fracking — a controversial method of improving the productivity of oil and gas wells — to groundwater pollution for the first time.

The EPA announced Thursday that it found compounds likely associated with fracking chemicals in the groundwater beneath a Wyoming community where residents say their well water reeks of chemicals.

The finding could have a chilling effect in both Canada and the U.S. where various levels of government are trying to determine how to regulate the controversial process. Hydraulic fracturing involves pumping pressurized water, sand and chemicals underground to open fissures and release natural gas and oil trapped in the rock formations.

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As part of the investigation, the EPA drilled two deep monitoring wells in the local aquifer and found synthetic chemicals, like glycols and alcohols consistent with gas production and hydraulic fracturing fluids. It also found benzene concentrations well above Safe Drinking Water Act standards and high methane levels in the deep wells.

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http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/story/2011/12/08/bc-fracking-groundwater-epa.html


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Fracking likely linked to groundwater pollution in U.S. (Original Post) Spazito Dec 2011 OP
And in other news, winter is cold. nt TheWraith Dec 2011 #1
+1000% -- defendandprotect Dec 2011 #16
Wow! The EPA is right on top of things. Not! n/t Little Star Dec 2011 #2
This message was self-deleted by its author comipinko Dec 2011 #3
was this ever really in doubt? pitohui Dec 2011 #4
I don't think it was ever in doubt SecularMotion Dec 2011 #5
That's exactly how I see it.... Spazito Dec 2011 #7
The natural gas lobby has spent a lot of effort trying to suppress this. joshcryer Dec 2011 #19
And polluted groundwater. XemaSab Dec 2011 #22
gee, who could have foreseen that flooding the ground with chemicals would ixion Dec 2011 #6
who could have foreseen that 19 people would take flying lessons and . . . ChairmanAgnostic Dec 2011 #8
Republicans are for dirty water, dirty air, and dirty earth. ellisonz Dec 2011 #9
In some of the farming communities in Illinois this was suspected. midnight Dec 2011 #10
EPA and corporate money ??? "Government under control of oil and coal industry?" defendandprotect Dec 2011 #17
Fracking needs to be brought to an immediate halt. BenYehuda Dec 2011 #11
Possibly -- but melting of glaciers is seriously effecting tectonic plates -- defendandprotect Dec 2011 #18
Sad that the oil and gas industry has rushed into fracking without resolving these issues Overseas Dec 2011 #12
Yes, it is very disturbing... Spazito Dec 2011 #13
Or they'd tell the folks it is their Personal Responsibility to buy bottled water like they do. Overseas Dec 2011 #15
I think they are also buying up water rights around the Great Lakes and probably other places... a simple pattern Dec 2011 #21
Do fauna and flora need water? burrowowl Dec 2011 #14
Benzene is very bad lovuian Dec 2011 #20
If a bunch of guys showed up at my house, Magoo48 Dec 2011 #23
...not to mention EARTHQUAKES. Dover Dec 2011 #24

Response to Spazito (Original post)

pitohui

(20,564 posts)
4. was this ever really in doubt?
Thu Dec 8, 2011, 05:29 PM
Dec 2011

less time spent figuring out, oh duh, we have a problem when everyone who isn't an idiot already agrees there's a problem and more time spent figuring out how to get the oil/natural gas safely would be a nice gesture...

we all realize that with $3 or $4 a gallon gas, that gas is not staying in the ground, so stop diddling us with "studies" and start setting up processes to protect our water and to compensate those who have their wells fouled

 

SecularMotion

(7,981 posts)
5. I don't think it was ever in doubt
Thu Dec 8, 2011, 05:38 PM
Dec 2011

but the frackers have denied that there was any evidence that fracking was the cause of the problems. This seems to be discovery of direct evidence.

Spazito

(50,253 posts)
7. That's exactly how I see it....
Thu Dec 8, 2011, 06:12 PM
Dec 2011

the evidence is now on record. Many of us knew of the dangers but not the public at large, imo. Anything that helps get the facts out is good!

joshcryer

(62,269 posts)
19. The natural gas lobby has spent a lot of effort trying to suppress this.
Sun Dec 11, 2011, 04:08 PM
Dec 2011

They even have paid policy analysts posting on liberal sites trying to diminish natural gas pollution.

Fact is, conventional natural gas has peaked, and fracking gas is responsible for all new natural gas production. Every plan that relies on natural gas is effectively relying on fracking.

 

ixion

(29,528 posts)
6. gee, who could have foreseen that flooding the ground with chemicals would
Thu Dec 8, 2011, 05:43 PM
Dec 2011

pollute the ground water?

ChairmanAgnostic

(28,017 posts)
8. who could have foreseen that 19 people would take flying lessons and . . .
Thu Dec 8, 2011, 06:43 PM
Dec 2011

oh, wait. Tom Clancy did, 6 years earlier. So did the CIA 15 years earlier. So did the Japanese 60 years earlier.

midnight

(26,624 posts)
10. In some of the farming communities in Illinois this was suspected.
Fri Dec 9, 2011, 09:38 AM
Dec 2011

I wonder what took them so long to figure this out?

 

defendandprotect

(65,605 posts)
17. EPA and corporate money ??? "Government under control of oil and coal industry?"
Sun Dec 11, 2011, 02:02 PM
Dec 2011


But none of that would be a conspiracy -- right?
 

BenYehuda

(17 posts)
11. Fracking needs to be brought to an immediate halt.
Sat Dec 10, 2011, 12:20 AM
Dec 2011

....I was in NY when the VA earth quake struck....and I continue to believe all this fracking in the midwest/central/west is causing strange new tectonic shifts.

Why is our country so without leaders who mean what they say.... ......

 

defendandprotect

(65,605 posts)
18. Possibly -- but melting of glaciers is seriously effecting tectonic plates --
Sun Dec 11, 2011, 02:05 PM
Dec 2011

and will bring more earthquakes and more severe earthquakes --

That doesn't mean that I don't think it's also possible for fracking to add to

the problems --

Fracking is an insane process -- and they're after water resources linked to NY

and tristates now !!

Overseas

(12,121 posts)
12. Sad that the oil and gas industry has rushed into fracking without resolving these issues
Sat Dec 10, 2011, 12:01 PM
Dec 2011

I guess I shouldn't be surprised because they didn't use the billions in tax reductions we gave them to improve their oil spill clean up technologies after the Exxon/Valdez. It was really disturbing to see them using 20 year old technologies to clean up in the Gulf after the BP Deep Horizon disaster.

They seem to be A OK with technologies that don't impact the top 1% who can just buy homes away from contaminated areas.

And zoom ahead so confidently with dangerous methods and no improvements to those because they can just return a few hundred million of the tax reductions we have given them as fines.

I guess they've all got grand homes in countries that don't allow fracking so they can be assured of getting clean water for themselves.

Spazito

(50,253 posts)
13. Yes, it is very disturbing...
Sat Dec 10, 2011, 02:41 PM
Dec 2011

"I guess they've all got grand homes in countries that don't allow fracking so they can be assured of getting clean water for themselves."

I think you are right on point re where they and their families live. If they were subjected to same risks the rest of us are due to their methods, they might, just might, think twice.

Overseas

(12,121 posts)
15. Or they'd tell the folks it is their Personal Responsibility to buy bottled water like they do.
Sun Dec 11, 2011, 01:12 PM
Dec 2011

Or tell us it is our Personal Responsibility to move elsewhere, like they will, if we're against American Prosperity.

That seems to be the meme of the 1% these days.

 

a simple pattern

(608 posts)
21. I think they are also buying up water rights around the Great Lakes and probably other places...
Mon Dec 12, 2011, 01:16 AM
Dec 2011

If they can make other peoples' water undrinkable, theirs becomes more valuable.

burrowowl

(17,636 posts)
14. Do fauna and flora need water?
Sun Dec 11, 2011, 04:00 AM
Dec 2011

"As part of the investigation, the EPA drilled two deep monitoring wells in the local aquifer and found synthetic chemicals, like glycols and alcohols consistent with gas production and hydraulic fracturing fluids. It also found benzene concentrations well above Safe Drinking Water Act standards and high methane levels in the deep wells."

Well light my fire, oops I mean water!

lovuian

(19,362 posts)
20. Benzene is very bad
Sun Dec 11, 2011, 06:38 PM
Dec 2011

It has a long history of causing cancer

Fracking needs to stop until the industry gets its act together

Magoo48

(4,701 posts)
23. If a bunch of guys showed up at my house,
Mon Dec 12, 2011, 07:27 AM
Dec 2011

pulled down their pants and took a dump in my yard, I'm pretty sure it wouldn't happen again. Well, these frackers are shitting in our collective yard....over, and over, and over again. It's some toxic shit too.

Dover

(19,788 posts)
24. ...not to mention EARTHQUAKES.
Mon Dec 12, 2011, 08:52 AM
Dec 2011

It is just unbelievable that we have to spend another dime or study to determine that this whole
fracking adventure is BAD BAD BAD!!!

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