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Newsjock

(11,733 posts)
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 03:10 PM Jan 2013

Jerry Brown: California's deficit is gone

Source: San Francisco Chronicle

For the first time in five years, California is not facing a deficit as Gov. Jerry Brown and lawmakers work to put together a spending plan for the next fiscal year.

Brown released his budget Thursday morning for the 2013-2014 fiscal year, proposing a $97.7 billion plan that is 5 percent higher than the current year's spending.

"California today is poised to achieve something that has eluded us for more than a decade - a budget that lives within its means, now and for many years to come," the governor wrote in his budget message to the Legislature, saying voters made this possible by approving Proposition 30.

The plan increases funds for K-12 schools, and districts "serving those students who have the greatest challenges will receive more generous increases - so that all students in California have the opportunity to succeed," the governor wrote.

Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Jerry-Brown-California-s-deficit-is-gone-4183371.php

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Jerry Brown: California's deficit is gone (Original Post) Newsjock Jan 2013 OP
Love Jerry Brown! Wish he could be cloned 49 times. Laurian Jan 2013 #1
...and all it took was the political will to raise taxes. Richardo Jan 2013 #2
And throwing out enough Republicans to take control of the legislature will help in the future. n/t Tempest Jan 2013 #15
+1000 abelenkpe Jan 2013 #18
I did my part in CA, and in 2014 and on I'll be doing my part in New Hampshire. Tempest Jan 2013 #21
Wow...good luck, stay safe, and bon voyage! keopeli Jan 2013 #31
Thank you. Worried more about the effect on my cat. Tempest Jan 2013 #39
A cat door will do the trick! n/t Mopar151 Jan 2013 #102
That is always the answer! tblue Jan 2013 #176
Cuts were three times as steep as the tax increase Morganfleeman Jan 2013 #60
For our state to be successful.......... nolabels Jan 2013 #123
+1 HiPointDem Jan 2013 #101
It also took the courage to put his political life on the line... olddad56 Jan 2013 #108
Go Jerry! He took it to the people and he came out a winner like I know he always does! graham4anything Jan 2013 #3
We in CA are the ones who should secede then upaloopa Jan 2013 #4
Agree 100%. Many con states would go bankrupt if not for the money we send. n/t Tempest Jan 2013 #16
If the federal government collapses under the weight of austerity imposed by the right wing Jack Rabbit Jan 2013 #26
We'd be the 7th largest economy in the world. Tempest Jan 2013 #28
Actually it's 9th now. We'd basically be a mini Germany, half the pop and size. Sirveri Jan 2013 #144
Soon to rise now that the state's fiscal ship has been righted. n/t Tempest Jan 2013 #145
See ya brew987 Jan 2013 #36
You Have NO IDEA Just How Funny That Is! HangOnKids Jan 2013 #44
What do you expect from low information, low effort conservative thinkers? Tempest Jan 2013 #49
I Am Really Hungry For Pizza! HangOnKids Jan 2013 #53
It drips with irony. WheelWalker Jan 2013 #94
Alas, he's been banned. I wonder what Eden he hailed from DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2013 #103
There are 4 or 5 who joined with our PizzaMan but they are still roaming free HangOnKids Jan 2013 #96
It would be interesting to watch quakerboy Jan 2013 #119
I would only agree if Oregon and Washington state get to join them tavalon Jan 2013 #126
Which states would go bankrupt and why? former9thward Jan 2013 #42
Red states are welfare states, and CA is a giving state to support those states. Tempest Jan 2013 #47
I asked for specifics and you providing nothing. former9thward Jan 2013 #52
I gave you a source. Do your own research. n/t Tempest Jan 2013 #56
Standard answer from someone who is caught with having nothing. former9thward Jan 2013 #59
Providing a source is having nothing? Tempest Jan 2013 #62
Feeling bad because you were caught? former9thward Jan 2013 #73
If feel bad because you have poor research skills. Tempest Jan 2013 #75
What is welfare? former9thward Jan 2013 #87
okay the first link there lists the top ten "welfare states" hfojvt Jan 2013 #179
he's not your monkey CreekDog Jan 2013 #78
Nit pick? former9thward Jan 2013 #85
He's doing the equivalent of putting his fingers in his ears and singing "La La La". n/t Tempest Jan 2013 #89
You don't have a clue what federal funds are used for. former9thward Jan 2013 #138
Way to miss the point. n/t Tempest Jan 2013 #163
Everyone of your posts is a non-answer. former9thward Jan 2013 #171
Essentially, adieu Jan 2013 #74
The poster said it was welfare. former9thward Jan 2013 #88
It's an accurate description by its very definition, genius. Tempest Jan 2013 #90
Social Security is welfare now. former9thward Jan 2013 #93
A lot of the "47%" that Romney lamented adieu Jan 2013 #98
Federal funding is not for poor people. former9thward Jan 2013 #132
Metaphor and metonymy obviously escape you, former9thward. n/t displacedtexan Jan 2013 #100
I didn't want to point that out. Tempest Jan 2013 #134
Don't hold back on your accusations of "welfare". former9thward Jan 2013 #140
That's not provided for free, we pay for that and sign treaties for it. Sirveri Jan 2013 #148
Treaties??? former9thward Jan 2013 #149
Would you prefer long term contractual obligations? Sirveri Jan 2013 #150
You since you wish to divide the U.S. into red and blue former9thward Jan 2013 #153
Buying commonly traded commodities at a fair market value is exploitation now? Sirveri Jan 2013 #154
You call AZ a welfare state. former9thward Jan 2013 #156
I never called AZ a welfare state, not sure who you're arguing with there. Sirveri Jan 2013 #162
He still hasn't figured it out Tempest Jan 2013 #166
LOL former9thward Jan 2013 #172
So what federal funds would you like to see ended in AZ? former9thward Jan 2013 #170
How about $1 for $1? Tempest Jan 2013 #173
Ignoring the CA link I see. former9thward Jan 2013 #174
That money isn't given to the state, it's spending that occurs IN the state. Sirveri Jan 2013 #180
Fail. former9thward Jan 2013 #181
Those are payments that support federal programs that are state administered. Sirveri Jan 2013 #182
I read the article but I don't get my knowledge of budgets from those. former9thward Jan 2013 #183
ALL STATES GET FEDERAL MONEY. WE GET LESS BACK THAN WE PAY Sirveri Jan 2013 #184
You can yell all you want but your "welfare" slurs won't fly here. former9thward Jan 2013 #185
Nobody ever said TX was a welfare state, because they also pay out more than they receive. Sirveri Jan 2013 #186
Nobody? former9thward Jan 2013 #187
No more and no less than I think this is welfare... LanternWaste Jan 2013 #137
Your post nothing to do with the discussion. former9thward Jan 2013 #139
Actually, it did Tempest Jan 2013 #142
You are correct. former9thward Jan 2013 #151
You continue to re-qualify tour statements LanternWaste Jan 2013 #155
That is funny. former9thward Jan 2013 #157
And we in New York should join you! ;) n/t markpkessinger Jan 2013 #64
Will that be before or after you receive the $60 billion in Sandy aid? former9thward Jan 2013 #152
Lol, my husband just said the same thing. OnionPatch Jan 2013 #95
If CA legalized pot, we'd be the 4th or 5th largest economy in the world. n/t Tempest Jan 2013 #146
Der Gropenfuhrer is spinning in his grave. onehandle Jan 2013 #5
I think he's got a movie coming out this month Jack Rabbit Jan 2013 #25
Have you seen the previews? What a stinker. n/t Tempest Jan 2013 #29
No, I haven't Jack Rabbit Jan 2013 #35
Meh, he had a few good ones back in the day Downtown Hound Jan 2013 #86
all that time barbtries Jan 2013 #6
I'm thinking about moving out West John2 Jan 2013 #34
oh it will. barbtries Jan 2013 #46
Just stay out of the interior valley of CA Tempest Jan 2013 #54
Yep. But where I live, the Inland Empire, it's turning blue here, too. BlueCaliDem Jan 2013 #129
Interior valley is a conservative's wet dream Tempest Jan 2013 #133
You mean, "two issues the cons manipulate and rile up the residents with", because BlueCaliDem Jan 2013 #136
Thanks so much for that non-biased report Le Taz Hot Jan 2013 #141
I was talking mostly about Kern County, where I live Tempest Jan 2013 #143
If you want to trash your own county, Le Taz Hot Jan 2013 #159
I just live here Tempest Jan 2013 #160
And I'm sorry you CHOOSE Le Taz Hot Jan 2013 #161
The facts I provided are important to someone thinking of moving here Tempest Jan 2013 #164
Don't let the door hit you on the ass . . . Le Taz Hot Jan 2013 #165
I won't miss you and you won't miss me. But the state will miss the money my business generated. Tempest Jan 2013 #167
Bakersfield, Kern County area chocolate ink Jan 2013 #189
Been considering the same. n/t Duval Jan 2013 #63
I'm with you on that .. I live in f.. ing Georgia, N.Carolina can't be as bad. YOHABLO Jan 2013 #109
It won't Alcibiades Jan 2013 #128
Love working for the state of California. CalFresh Jan 2013 #7
I'm retiring in April Semi_subversive Jan 2013 #13
you will LOVE it! shanti Jan 2013 #97
Welcome to DU wryter2000 Jan 2013 #27
He's lying Demobrat Jan 2013 #37
Check out his other posts HangOnKids Jan 2013 #70
It's more like state workers' salaries were CUT 13% over the last 2 years. SunSeeker Jan 2013 #83
Thank you! HangOnKids Jan 2013 #92
No, thank YOU. SunSeeker Jan 2013 #105
I retired before I had planned because Arnold had screwed things up so badly... olddad56 Jan 2013 #106
To the Great State of California and Governor Jerry Brown!!! sheshe2 Jan 2013 #8
I love our state! SoapBox Jan 2013 #9
Wow! This is wonderul question everything Jan 2013 #10
Cali is calling me home demwing Jan 2013 #11
But, but, but...I thought we were stupid lefty hippies for electing that 1970's flower child? LoisB Jan 2013 #12
and California was overpaying PUBLIC! EMPLOYEES! and OVERREGULATAXING BUSINESSES AWAY!!!! alp227 Jan 2013 #112
Same nonsense we heard when they banned smoking in restaurants Tempest Jan 2013 #168
Yeah, but he probably did it by TlalocW Jan 2013 #14
Shhhhhh! Politicalboi Jan 2013 #38
Mr Moonbeam is shining today! ReRe Jan 2013 #17
Since 2011 MoonchildCA Jan 2013 #115
Wow!...... ReRe Jan 2013 #116
Indeed. MoonchildCA Jan 2013 #120
Aww, Gee abelenkpe Jan 2013 #19
This is encouraging news! derby378 Jan 2013 #20
All it took wryter2000 Jan 2013 #22
+1 freshwest Jan 2013 #68
yep, and raising taxes CountAllVotes Jan 2013 #81
Democratic Party is the party that gets rid of the Spendaholics Republicans lovuian Jan 2013 #23
Spendaholics? Nah I'd say Austeriholics who hoard cash for the lobbyists, big donors, etc. alp227 Jan 2013 #113
Republican Wilson was a spendaholic, which is a big reason for the deficit. Tempest Jan 2013 #147
Another Democrat cleaning up after Lebam in LA Jan 2013 #24
"The year of fiscal discipline." Sounds like austerity-speak. Common Sense Party Jan 2013 #30
1/4 of 1% sales tax increase. We increased taxes on the rich. n/t Tempest Jan 2013 #65
I voted YES on that too CountAllVotes Jan 2013 #66
Enough sensible Californians saw how it would help the state. Tempest Jan 2013 #69
Pres. Obama CountAllVotes Jan 2013 #71
This is why I voted for Jerry Brown in the last election Jack Rabbit Jan 2013 #32
Jerry Brown: Deficit is Gone oldandhappy Jan 2013 #33
It's a coin with a Politicalboi Jan 2013 #40
$1.3 billion in tax revenues to the state from legalization Tempest Jan 2013 #169
I love this fucking state. I really do. byronius Jan 2013 #41
I remember Brown's signs for the 1988 presidential election: lexw Jan 2013 #43
As this LA Times article makes clear, this is a _predicted_ surplus (by end of next year) PoliticAverse Jan 2013 #45
Great, now we can focus on paying back the Mr.Bill Jan 2013 #48
Gee, but I thought Dems were "tax-and-spenders" and Repubs were the fiscally responsible ones! (nt) Nine Jan 2013 #50
One of many lies Republicans tell. The fact is, more than 90% of the debt belongs to them. n/t Tempest Jan 2013 #58
Jerry! Jerry! Jerry! Jerry! Jerry! Jamaal510 Jan 2013 #51
She spent millions more than he did and still lost lunatica Jan 2013 #125
So it works for states but not for the federal government? dkf Jan 2013 #55
I hope it is true. Time will tell. Throd Jan 2013 #57
working while going through chemo CountAllVotes Jan 2013 #61
Take the Republican out of office and put a Democrat in Cali_Democrat Jan 2013 #67
Congrats, California DUers! Politicub Jan 2013 #72
The damage done by republicans may get fixed after all. Turbineguy Jan 2013 #76
We bit the bullet and we DID it, and we didn't have to kill off the sick and elderly and poor to do kestrel91316 Jan 2013 #77
Could GOP's voodonomics be wrong? nietzschean Jan 2013 #79
Hopefully now the rest of the country will.... Catch2.2 Jan 2013 #80
I'd like to thank my fellow Californians for montanto Jan 2013 #82
Can't be! Everybody knows Democrats are the party of reckless spending! Downtown Hound Jan 2013 #84
THe Republicans have been saying that since the New Deal Jack Rabbit Jan 2013 #91
Yes but at what price? Socialism? rhett o rick Jan 2013 #99
Now help the colleges for my grandkids marlakay Jan 2013 #104
After Pete Wilson and Arnold, we deserve to have an genuine human being for a governor. olddad56 Jan 2013 #107
That's what happens when you put Democrats in charge. Kablooie Jan 2013 #110
Note to Norquist: We voted to tax ourselves Hekate Jan 2013 #111
I think Jerry Brown has been so effective because he doesn't give a vanlassie Jan 2013 #114
Nice Work Gov. supercats Jan 2013 #117
Now if we increased revenues xxqqqzme Jan 2013 #118
Love my Governor - hope his cancer treatment is going well n/t Pachamama Jan 2013 #121
Thanks to Jerry Brown we're on the road to recovery flamingdem Jan 2013 #122
I am proud to be a (transplanted) Californian! Silver Gaia Jan 2013 #124
Post removed Post removed Jan 2013 #127
In. Your. Face. Republican'ts! Turborama Jan 2013 #130
Don't worry, Governor Brown Thav Jan 2013 #131
Not for many, many years Tempest Jan 2013 #135
great great news samsingh Jan 2013 #158
I'm so glad that CA has balanced it's budget, but.... ReRe Jan 2013 #175
Yes, thank you! Le Taz Hot Jan 2013 #177
IT'S A MIRACLE!!!!!!!!!!!! davidpdx Jan 2013 #178
The Teabaggers are in mourning. Odin2005 Jan 2013 #188

Laurian

(2,593 posts)
1. Love Jerry Brown! Wish he could be cloned 49 times.
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 03:14 PM
Jan 2013

I remember making a contribution to his Presidential campaign way back when he ran against Clinton in the primary. His no nonsense approach to governing is refreshing.

Tempest

(14,591 posts)
15. And throwing out enough Republicans to take control of the legislature will help in the future. n/t
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 04:03 PM
Jan 2013

Tempest

(14,591 posts)
21. I did my part in CA, and in 2014 and on I'll be doing my part in New Hampshire.
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 04:22 PM
Jan 2013

As well as the California has treated me, it's time for another adventure and it's taking me to the east coast.

Tempest

(14,591 posts)
39. Thank you. Worried more about the effect on my cat.
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 05:00 PM
Jan 2013

Here in Bakersfield he's able to stay outside all winter (in the back yard, he never leaves it). I don't think he'll want to do that in the cold and snow.

tblue

(16,350 posts)
176. That is always the answer!
Sat Jan 12, 2013, 04:42 AM
Jan 2013

It's damned hard to do. I'm so proud of my governor and my state!!!

Morganfleeman

(117 posts)
60. Cuts were three times as steep as the tax increase
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 05:31 PM
Jan 2013

And many social welfare programs like CalWorks were hit very hard. Just sayin...

nolabels

(13,133 posts)
123. For our state to be successful..........
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 05:47 AM
Jan 2013

We need efficient government and a private sector that thrives on real production and value added. I don't know for sure but some stories i have heard from people in that CalWorks program say it's kind of a sham and or a make work program.

At any rate with a balanced book it means no right-wing cabals can come to our state to try pull some more fast ones on us. Our state is getting to point where we have outfoxed them and they have nothing to do but retreat

olddad56

(5,732 posts)
108. It also took the courage to put his political life on the line...
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 10:16 PM
Jan 2013

I wish he would run for President in 2016.

 

graham4anything

(11,464 posts)
3. Go Jerry! He took it to the people and he came out a winner like I know he always does!
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 03:19 PM
Jan 2013

simply the best!

upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
4. We in CA are the ones who should secede then
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 03:19 PM
Jan 2013

we wouldn't have to be tied to any of the conservative bull shit states.

Jack Rabbit

(45,984 posts)
26. If the federal government collapses under the weight of austerity imposed by the right wing
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 04:30 PM
Jan 2013

. . . then, I, for one, would favor making California an independent nation.

Tempest

(14,591 posts)
49. What do you expect from low information, low effort conservative thinkers?
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 05:22 PM
Jan 2013

The information has been available and discussed for several years now.

But then, cons live in their own alternative reality.

 

DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
103. Alas, he's been banned. I wonder what Eden he hailed from
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 09:50 PM
Jan 2013

I wouldn't trade California for any other place on the planet, and I've lived in several states. You've lived all over the world, so you probably know what I'm talking about better than I do.

By the way, A+++ for the John Coltrane avatar.

 

HangOnKids

(4,291 posts)
96. There are 4 or 5 who joined with our PizzaMan but they are still roaming free
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 08:13 PM
Jan 2013

There have been some very weird jury results today! But this see ya just cracked me the fuck up!

quakerboy

(13,901 posts)
119. It would be interesting to watch
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 01:55 AM
Jan 2013

That'd put the pacific NW in an interesting position, for sure. Maybe we could join up with Canada.

California wouldn't be complete smooth sailing though. Water would suddenly become a serious issue.

tavalon

(27,985 posts)
126. I would only agree if Oregon and Washington state get to join them
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 08:16 AM
Jan 2013

Except for the backwoods areas, we are the two states most copacetic with California.

former9thward

(31,805 posts)
42. Which states would go bankrupt and why?
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 05:13 PM
Jan 2013

I am guessing you don't know what federal funds are and for what reason they they are going where they go. If you do want to secede you can send your petition to the WH along with the nuts from TX.

Tempest

(14,591 posts)
47. Red states are welfare states, and CA is a giving state to support those states.
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 05:21 PM
Jan 2013

Center for Tax Policy has all the state breakdowns.

Red states receive more from the federal government than they contribute.

Learn something before calling people nuts.

former9thward

(31,805 posts)
52. I asked for specifics and you providing nothing.
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 05:24 PM
Jan 2013

What federal funds are being provided? What would you like to see reduced? What exactly do you mean by the slur "welfare"?

Tempest

(14,591 posts)
62. Providing a source is having nothing?
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 05:36 PM
Jan 2013

The fact is, you know it exists and don't want to face the truth.

former9thward

(31,805 posts)
73. Feeling bad because you were caught?
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 05:58 PM
Jan 2013

I went to your 'source'. http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/index.cfm Nothing in there about welfare or anything else you stated in your post. In my state (AZ -- a welfare state to use your words) federal funds coming into the state go to service the national parks, the national forests, the Native American reservations, military bases, people on Social Security or other federal pensions. What exactly of these items is welfare???

former9thward

(31,805 posts)
87. What is welfare?
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 06:33 PM
Jan 2013

Social security? Native American aid? National parks? Maybe you should be on a site you are more comfortable with.

hfojvt

(37,573 posts)
179. okay the first link there lists the top ten "welfare states"
Sat Jan 12, 2013, 10:37 AM
Jan 2013

1. New Mexico: $2.63
2. West Virginia: $2.57
3. Mississippi: $2.47
4. District of Colombia: $2.41
5. Hawaii: $2.38
6. Alabama: $2.03
7. Alaska: $1.93
8. Montana: $1.92
9. South Carolina: $1.92
10. Maine: $1.78

New Mexico - not a red state
West Virginia - is that a red state? Democrats have not won it since 1996, but before that it was won 3 straight times by Democrats. It was even one of the mere 10 states won by Dukakis, and one of the 6 states won by Carter in 1980
#3 is definitely a red state
#4 and #5 are two of the most solid blue areas there are, especially DC
then four solid red states
and Maine - not a red state

But four of the top five are not even red states.

CreekDog

(46,192 posts)
78. he's not your monkey
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 06:07 PM
Jan 2013

the concept that blue states often provide more tax revenue than they receive in return has been demonstrated many times here on DU and elsewhere.

if you don't know this, then maybe you should try to have some current knowledge.

or perhaps you do already know this and merely want to nit pick whatever data he puts up.

i'm going with that.

former9thward

(31,805 posts)
85. Nit pick?
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 06:32 PM
Jan 2013

Since you are coming to his rescue he/she called it welfare. I want to know what federal funds are welfare.

 

adieu

(1,009 posts)
74. Essentially,
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 06:00 PM
Jan 2013

For every dollar of federal tax revenue collected from Red states, like LA or MS, they get back around $1.30 in federal expenditures. For states like CA or NY, they get back about 75¢ or so. Only red state to pay more than they receive is Texas at the moment. But, TX won't be red by 2016, 2020 at the latest.

Tempest

(14,591 posts)
90. It's an accurate description by its very definition, genius.
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 06:40 PM
Jan 2013

"Statutory procedure or social effort designed to promote the basic physical and material well-being of people in need."

Statutory procedure sends more money to red states than blue states because red states can't take care of their own residents, infrastructure, law enforcement costs, etc.


But I'm sure you'll find fault with this as well when you really should let it go.

former9thward

(31,805 posts)
93. Social Security is welfare now.
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 07:28 PM
Jan 2013

Again I implore you find a site you may be more comfortable with. You really have no clue what federal funds are. You actually think they are going to "residents". National parks and national forests are "residents" now. Who knew?

 

adieu

(1,009 posts)
98. A lot of the "47%" that Romney lamented
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 08:33 PM
Jan 2013

who are on the dole, who pay no taxes, etc., are citizens of those red states. Those red states are poorer, have more poor people and have more people living in poverty (per capita, of course).

former9thward

(31,805 posts)
132. Federal funding is not for poor people.
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 12:42 PM
Jan 2013

With the exception of food stamps most federal money that comes into a state takes care of federal obligations. These include national parks, national forests, military bases, native american reservations, social security payments, salaries for federal workers, etc. The poster said this was welfare. Is it?

former9thward

(31,805 posts)
140. Don't hold back on your accusations of "welfare".
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 01:51 PM
Jan 2013

BTW when is CA going to stop being a parasitic state which relies on red states for power and water? AZ provides power to SoCal. Maybe it should stop that "welfare".

former9thward

(31,805 posts)
153. You since you wish to divide the U.S. into red and blue
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 03:41 PM
Jan 2013

I would prefer you use your own resources to maintain your standard of living rather than exploit others.

Sirveri

(4,517 posts)
154. Buying commonly traded commodities at a fair market value is exploitation now?
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 03:58 PM
Jan 2013

Wow, we're so exploitative! How dare we pay those power companies money to sell us power (which they in turn SCREWED us on and used to boot Grey Davis out of office to install Arnold).

former9thward

(31,805 posts)
156. You call AZ a welfare state.
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 05:24 PM
Jan 2013

But you are buying things "at fair market value". Now where have we heard those terms before?

Sirveri

(4,517 posts)
162. I never called AZ a welfare state, not sure who you're arguing with there.
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 06:21 PM
Jan 2013

Though considering that AZ gets 1.30 back in federal spending per dollar of federal taxes paid, and CA get .79, I can see how some folks could make such a comparative statement.

Tempest

(14,591 posts)
166. He still hasn't figured it out
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 06:40 PM
Jan 2013

Welfare = depending upon the federal government for the basic needs of its residents at the expense of other states. As your example of AZ and CA demonstrates.

20% of the Texas budget comes from federal spending.

former9thward

(31,805 posts)
170. So what federal funds would you like to see ended in AZ?
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 07:28 PM
Jan 2013

Posters in this sub-thread that you entered called it a welfare state so I assume you think the same. What is the welfare exactly? Military Bases? Servicing of the National parks? National forests? Social Security? Federal disability and pension payments? What exactly qualifies it for the use of "welfare" especially since the poster used it as a slur.

Tempest

(14,591 posts)
173. How about $1 for $1?
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 07:43 PM
Jan 2013

CA and other states like NY would have a big surpluses and AZ and other red states would go bankrupt.

"especially since the poster used it as a slur. '

You call it a slur, I call it an accurate description.

former9thward

(31,805 posts)
174. Ignoring the CA link I see.
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 08:05 PM
Jan 2013
California gets $79 billion a year from the federal government - nearly 40 percent of what it spends.

Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/politics/article/Debt-deal-could-devastate-California-budget-2352680.php#ixzz2HiG0HoKO

I guess CA would go bankrupt without federal "welfare" as you like to call it

CA received $35 billion from the stimulus, more than any other state, NY was second at $17 billion. More of your welfare.

http://www.recovery.gov/Pages/default.aspx

Sirveri

(4,517 posts)
180. That money isn't given to the state, it's spending that occurs IN the state.
Sat Jan 12, 2013, 11:56 AM
Jan 2013

Our current budget is 96.8 Billion per year, our income is 89.5 Billion per year.

Our income sources are:
Income tax 64%
Sales tax 22%
Corporate tax 10%
Other 4%

In 2005 we received .78 for every dollar in federal taxes paid out. So if they spent 78 Billion in the state then we still sent them 100 Billion in taxes, so how exactly are we benefiting from that scenario considering we got back 22 Billion less than we sent them, all so a bunch of repuke scum bags can use our money for pork belly projects to benefit their buddies in their own districts? Also in 2005 we sent them 280 Billion so...
Source: http://taxfoundation.org/sites/taxfoundation.org/files/docs/ftsbs-timeseries-20071016-.pdf

Did we get a pile of money from the recovery act, I sure hope so, considering we've been paying more to the federal government than we've received since 1986. Also, the reason we got that amount of money was primarily for the high speed rail link that we passed a few years back via Prop 1. We also have a majority of the interstate highways due to our sheer size and position and so we received funding for road maintenance and upgrades from the stimulus.

former9thward

(31,805 posts)
181. Fail.
Sat Jan 12, 2013, 12:26 PM
Jan 2013

That is money given to the state for its budget. Try again. More of that "welfare" you love to accuse other of.

Sirveri

(4,517 posts)
182. Those are payments that support federal programs that are state administered.
Sat Jan 12, 2013, 08:29 PM
Jan 2013

Sorry you didn't actually read the article you posted and understand it, nor are you capable of making a cogent and well reasoned response to an actual post. Perhaps facebook is more your speed.

former9thward

(31,805 posts)
183. I read the article but I don't get my knowledge of budgets from those.
Sat Jan 12, 2013, 08:33 PM
Jan 2013

Those federal payments are part of the state budget and the state would collapse without them. "Welfare" as you like to call it. Now go and answer your IMs.

Sirveri

(4,517 posts)
184. ALL STATES GET FEDERAL MONEY. WE GET LESS BACK THAN WE PAY
Sat Jan 12, 2013, 08:35 PM
Jan 2013

Are you fucking dense, that's the entire point. Why do you not comprehend such a simple concept.

former9thward

(31,805 posts)
185. You can yell all you want but your "welfare" slurs won't fly here.
Sat Jan 12, 2013, 08:42 PM
Jan 2013

The poster who I replied to said TX was a "welfare" state because 20% of its budget was federal money. I showed in CA 40% of its budget was federal money. But strangely CA is not a "welfare" state but TX is. Yet another attempt by you to divide the country into red and blue. Go somewhere else.

Sirveri

(4,517 posts)
186. Nobody ever said TX was a welfare state, because they also pay out more than they receive.
Sat Jan 12, 2013, 09:21 PM
Jan 2013

Reading comprehension, get there. Red States do not equal just Texas.

former9thward

(31,805 posts)
187. Nobody?
Sun Jan 13, 2013, 12:36 PM
Jan 2013
Red states are welfare states, and CA is a giving state to support those states. from post 47. Maybe you should read posts before you jump into a sub-thread. But reading does not seem your strong suit.

In addition the poster said Welfare = depending upon the federal government for the basic needs of its residents at the expense of other states. 20% of the Texas budget comes from federal spending. I pointed out using the same criteria CA receives 40% of its budget from federal spending. Now dig deeper.
 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
137. No more and no less than I think this is welfare...
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 01:16 PM
Jan 2013

No more and no less than I think this is welfare...

"...promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity"

However, maybe you believe that Jefferson et. al. were writing specifically about Food Stamps... or that they simply didn't get the word correct either.

former9thward

(31,805 posts)
139. Your post nothing to do with the discussion.
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 01:48 PM
Jan 2013

The poster said "red states" are "welfare states" because of federal funds. What funds are welfare? Are "blue states" welfare states also? Please let me know or is it just red states that are covered by your quote.

former9thward

(31,805 posts)
151. You are correct.
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 03:37 PM
Jan 2013

I don't understand how federal funds are "welfare" if the federal government sends funds for its obligations to "red" states but apparently the "blue" states are not covered. Are NY and NJ "red" states? Is the $60 billion which is coming to those states from red and blue states count as "welfare"? Earlier in this thread a poster from NY wanted to join CA in seceding. Will that occur before or after it receives the $60 billion? Does the preamble to the Constitution only apply to "red" states? Are "red" states the only ones who receive the "general welfare"?

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
155. You continue to re-qualify tour statements
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 04:49 PM
Jan 2013

You continue to re-qualify tour statements with each additional answer given to you. Simply because you don't like the answers, doesn't mean they don't apply, it merely means you don't like the answers...

However, to make things clear for all: Do you want the formal, the legal, the informal, or the base definition of the word to apply? From there, we may address your concern with less chance of moving the goalposts even further...

Additionally, can you provide us with a list of homonyms for the word Welfare that you would like to have stricken from the discussion, and if so, why specifically for each homonym?

former9thward

(31,805 posts)
152. Will that be before or after you receive the $60 billion in Sandy aid?
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 03:39 PM
Jan 2013

Which of course is coming from the other 49 "red" states and "blue" states.

OnionPatch

(6,169 posts)
95. Lol, my husband just said the same thing.
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 08:07 PM
Jan 2013

"Time to secede!"

He added that we should legalize marijuana and we'll be sitting pretty!

Jack Rabbit

(45,984 posts)
25. I think he's got a movie coming out this month
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 04:28 PM
Jan 2013

I'm glad to see he's back to acting in bad movies. He starred in some of the best bad movies ever.

Jack Rabbit

(45,984 posts)
35. No, I haven't
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 04:44 PM
Jan 2013

I've just seen a poster in front of one of the local theaters.

When you come right down to it, all of his movies are stinkers, but in most cases no one cares about that when watching one.

Downtown Hound

(12,618 posts)
86. Meh, he had a few good ones back in the day
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 06:32 PM
Jan 2013

The first two Terminator films, Conan the Barbarian, Predator, Total Recall, Twins. But he's dreaming if he thinks he's ever going to be a major star again. His name has been so tarnished, first by his disastrous run as governor and then by marital infidelities stuff. Most people that I talk to here in CA really don't like him now, even among people I know that misguidedly voted for him.

Tempest

(14,591 posts)
54. Just stay out of the interior valley of CA
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 05:24 PM
Jan 2013

Highly conservative and has the highest rates of poverty, lowest rate of high school graduates, lowest rate of college degree residents (18%), highest rates of STDs among teenagers, highest rates of teenage pregnancies, highest rates of health problems in children and the lowest standard of living in the state.

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
129. Yep. But where I live, the Inland Empire, it's turning blue here, too.
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 11:59 AM
Jan 2013

We're getting sick and tired of the GOP, and it's showing. People who have voted Republican all their lives, voted for Democrats and President Obama, and we picked up seats in our legislature and U.S. Gov't races.

However, in affluent counties like Orange County, it's still pretty much solid red, but they're in the minority. Hopefully, with the rise of Latinos, that will change as well because it won't change among the plastic-surgery-fanatic Caucasians there.

Tempest

(14,591 posts)
133. Interior valley is a conservative's wet dream
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 01:06 PM
Jan 2013

Agriculture and water issues, two issues cons use to rile up the residents with.

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
136. You mean, "two issues the cons manipulate and rile up the residents with", because
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 01:12 PM
Jan 2013

I've seen how they restrict water to cities like Menifree (deep inland) and lo and behold, people there vote predominantly GOP.

Le Taz Hot

(22,271 posts)
141. Thanks so much for that non-biased report
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 01:53 PM
Jan 2013

If you're done with your negative cherry picking here's some BALANCE for someone who actually, oh, I don't know, LIVES HERE.


Some really wonderful things about one county in Central California -- Fresno:

Voter Registration for Fresno County:
Registered Voters: 410,188
Democrats: 164,663
Republican 158,267

In 2008 voters in Fresno County went for Obama. In 2012, they went for Romney so, politically, we’re purple.

Here's a few other things of which you are obviously ignorant:

Peace Fresno
Peace Fresno is an educational organization based at the Fresno Center for Nonviolence. It was founded by community members dedicated to peaceful resolution to conflict. Its mission is to seek effective nonviolent responses to terrorism. By conscientiously exploring and identifying peaceful options in our search for justice, we act to break the endless cycle of violence and counter-violence.
www.Peacefresno.org

Agriculture
In 20011, we contributed $4,924,941,000 to the state’s income in agriculture alone

Fresno officials unveil apartments for chronically homeless
http://www.fresnobee.com/2012/11/19/3072415/fresno-officials-unveil-apartments.html#storylink=misearch

Poverello House
Poverello House is a private, nonprofit, nondenominational organization that serves the hungry, homeless, and destitute of Fresno, California. Poverello House began officially in 1973, but its history goes back much further.
http://www.poverellohouse.org/history.html

Vinyard Farmers Market
This particular Farmers Market (we have many) has been featured several times on national TV and fine food and wine magazines and has become a favorite of chefs from all over the state.
http://www.vineyardfarmersmarket.com/

Blossom Trail
From the end of February to the middle of March our stone fruit trees are in full blossom and a beautiful sight to behold. People come from all over the world to view the beauty.
http://www.gofresnocounty.com/BlossomTrail/BlossomIndex.asp

The Clark Museum of Japanese Art and Culture (Hanford)
The Clark Center for Japanese Art and Culture was formed to collect, preserve, study, exhibit, and educate the public about works of fine art. While the arts of no country are excluded, the Center's primary focus will be the arts of Japan. Through these means it hopes to further understanding of the culture of Japan and foster friendship between Japan and the United States.
http://www.ccjac.org/aboutus/mission.html

And it's not even including the THOUSANDS and THOUSANDS of fine, activist liberals we have here who must endure sickening geographical elitism by other so-called "liberals."





Tempest

(14,591 posts)
143. I was talking mostly about Kern County, where I live
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 02:49 PM
Jan 2013

Fresno is more liberal, but still has a high level of everything I mentioned compared to the rest of the state.

Le Taz Hot

(22,271 posts)
159. If you want to trash your own county,
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 06:04 PM
Jan 2013

that's up to you but I think it's a damned shame that a) you paint the ENTIRE Central Valley with one broad bigoted stroke and b) you perpetuate the geographical elitism that is usually reserved for Bay Areans and others who have never actually spent time in the San Joaquin Valley but only driven through it on I5 or Hwy 99 thinking that's all there is to it.

Tempest

(14,591 posts)
160. I just live here
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 06:10 PM
Jan 2013

And the entire interior valley statistics show it's worse off by most social and health metrics than the rest of the state.

Like lowest income and standards of living than the rest of the state.

I'm sorry those are inconvenient facts for you.

Le Taz Hot

(22,271 posts)
161. And I'm sorry you CHOOSE
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 06:16 PM
Jan 2013

to cherry pick just the facts that seem to fit your particular sour viewpoint while ignoring the THOUSANDS of POSITIVE facts also encompassing the San Joaquin Valley. Perhaps one day you could consider moving to the Bay Area since you seem to hate the Valley so much. Sounds like you might be happier being around your kind of people.

Tempest

(14,591 posts)
164. The facts I provided are important to someone thinking of moving here
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 06:36 PM
Jan 2013

Which is the subject of this sub-thread.

Especially parents with children.

Highest rates of child asthma, highest levels of poisoning from pesticide use and most student days missed from school because of illness in the state.

And I noticed you're not disputing any of the information I've provided.


"Sounds like you might be happier being around your kind of people."

Progressives? Yes. That's why I'm considering Burlington, VT as my next home.

Tempest

(14,591 posts)
167. I won't miss you and you won't miss me. But the state will miss the money my business generated.
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 06:43 PM
Jan 2013

As will Kern County as my place of business is still unoccupied after I closed it to get ready to move.

chocolate ink

(52 posts)
189. Bakersfield, Kern County area
Sun Jan 13, 2013, 02:37 PM
Jan 2013

I live in Kern county, the Bakersfield area also and what you are saying is absolutely true. Extremely conservative, voting about 87% republican in presidential and other elections. Also area with lower income, health issues as well all others mentioned. Teen pregnancies, STD's, graduation rates and so. Lot of extremely racist attitudes continue to prevail here.

Alcibiades

(5,061 posts)
128. It won't
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 10:58 AM
Jan 2013

The long term trend in NC is Democratic. The GOP tactic of appealing to no one but older, white conservatives will not work here in the long term. NC has seen growth in its minority population, its young college educated population, and folks who ove moved here from blue states, all of whom tend to vote Democratic. 2010 was a blip: as more of these newer voters come online, as the Jesse Helms demographic ages out of the population, and as GOP policies fail at the state level, this will be, at worst, a purple state.

shanti

(21,672 posts)
97. you will LOVE it!
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 08:19 PM
Jan 2013

i retired from the state at the end of 2010 after 21 years. no way could i go 37 years, congrats to you!

SunSeeker

(51,378 posts)
83. It's more like state workers' salaries were CUT 13% over the last 2 years.
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 06:19 PM
Jan 2013

Two years of furloughs (with each year's unpaid furlough representing a 5% pay cut) and no end in sight. The budget was balanced on the backs of state workers (the middle class).

 

HangOnKids

(4,291 posts)
92. Thank you!
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 07:14 PM
Jan 2013

I alerted on that post because it is obvious MrFresh is pulling our leg. Check out his other fine posts I you dare.

olddad56

(5,732 posts)
106. I retired before I had planned because Arnold had screwed things up so badly...
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 10:13 PM
Jan 2013

that working where I did for the state of Ca. had become to insane. Arnold caused the mess that Jerry is cleaning up.

 

demwing

(16,916 posts)
11. Cali is calling me home
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 03:50 PM
Jan 2013

I mean, what the hell is this West Side So Cal boy doing in Florida, anyway?

Full faith in Governor Brown. Not every decision he has made has been popular, but look where he brought the state!

alp227

(31,962 posts)
112. and California was overpaying PUBLIC! EMPLOYEES! and OVERREGULATAXING BUSINESSES AWAY!!!!
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 11:13 PM
Jan 2013

and on the brink of bankruptcy!!!! Right wingers: how's that DEMOCRATIC SURPLUS a la Clinton taste?

Tempest

(14,591 posts)
168. Same nonsense we heard when they banned smoking in restaurants
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 06:46 PM
Jan 2013

And within 6 months, restaurants in the state were making more money than before the ban.

TlalocW

(15,359 posts)
14. Yeah, but he probably did it by
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 04:02 PM
Jan 2013

Raising everyone's taxes, making marijuana legal to sell, seizing everyone's guns to be melted down for road projects, and sending dissidents off to some sort of homosexual re-education camp!!!

TlalocW

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
17. Mr Moonbeam is shining today!
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 04:11 PM
Jan 2013

How long has Jerry been in there? Since 2010? Congratulations, Gov Jerry Brown, for showing this country how it's done. I always said that CA is the laboratory of the US.

abelenkpe

(9,933 posts)
19. Aww, Gee
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 04:18 PM
Jan 2013

This is great news! Love Jerry and this state!

Supposed my birther freeper mom who recently told me our state was going to hell and bankrupt will have a difficult time believing this...ha ha!

wryter2000

(46,016 posts)
22. All it took
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 04:25 PM
Jan 2013

Was getting rid of the Republican Party. Some other states should try it.

Jerry Brown for Emperor of Everything!

CountAllVotes

(20,854 posts)
81. yep, and raising taxes
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 06:13 PM
Jan 2013

and a boatload of other stuff too.

CSEA, one of the State employee unions, endorsed his policies in this past election and they've taken a beating to help balance the budget believe me.

It was not just Prop. 30.

Also things like, working at home today you say ... no more of that.

This call the job and tell them you are working at home today as you sip your latte, those days are gone. Fine w/me!! The lower paid workers never had such an option; some of the higher ups did. No more of that thanks to the rather conventional wisdom of Gov. Brown!

lovuian

(19,362 posts)
23. Democratic Party is the party that gets rid of the Spendaholics Republicans
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 04:26 PM
Jan 2013

trashing of our government

Tempest

(14,591 posts)
147. Republican Wilson was a spendaholic, which is a big reason for the deficit.
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 03:17 PM
Jan 2013

And he had a Republican controlled legislature signing all his spending bills.

Lebam in LA

(1,344 posts)
24. Another Democrat cleaning up after
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 04:26 PM
Jan 2013

the republicans. There seems to be a pattern. Too bad those on the right cannot grasp this fact.

Common Sense Party

(14,139 posts)
30. "The year of fiscal discipline." Sounds like austerity-speak.
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 04:35 PM
Jan 2013

How much did the sales tax go up? How does that affect the poor?

CountAllVotes

(20,854 posts)
66. I voted YES on that too
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 05:49 PM
Jan 2013

We needed to save our State, our Golden State and some of us old Natives know how very valuable California is, the 6th largest economy in the world!

YES WE CAN AND YES WE DID!!!!!!



CountAllVotes

(20,854 posts)
71. Pres. Obama
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 05:56 PM
Jan 2013

I hope he keeps an eye on Gov. Brown.

Lots to learn from this man who I had the pleasure to meet when he ran for President in 1976 ... and yes, I voted for him!



Can't miss w/the son of Pat Brown, Sr.!!!!

Real Californians know. YES THEY DO!!!

Jack Rabbit

(45,984 posts)
32. This is why I voted for Jerry Brown in the last election
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 04:40 PM
Jan 2013

I didn't expect to like all of the decisions he would make, and I haven't, but I knew he could make them.

And now for something we have few occasions to a any politician in our day and age:

Congratulations, Governor, on a job well done.

oldandhappy

(6,719 posts)
33. Jerry Brown: Deficit is Gone
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 04:43 PM
Jan 2013

That was quick! He is my gov and I am glad, and I am surprised at how quickly this happened. Did he mint one of those magic coins, smile??

 

Politicalboi

(15,189 posts)
40. It's a coin with a
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 05:05 PM
Jan 2013

Marijuana leaf on the front and a bong on the back. Can anyone imagine how much more money Ca would have if pot were legal. But I am sure glad Jerry got a handle on this. Before Bush and Arnold, Ca was the 5th largest economy in the WORLD.

Tempest

(14,591 posts)
169. $1.3 billion in tax revenues to the state from legalization
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 06:59 PM
Jan 2013
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1884956,00.html


Nationwide:

Economic Benefits of Cannabis Legalization
Excise Taxes $2.2 - $6.4 Billion
Sales Taxes $0.2 - $1.3 Billion
Enforcement Savings $6 - $9 Billion
Hemp Industry $6 - $10 Billion

http://norml.org/library/item/revenues-from-legalization

The national numbers are from 1994, so they would have to be adjusted for inflation.

PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)
45. As this LA Times article makes clear, this is a _predicted_ surplus (by end of next year)
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 05:17 PM
Jan 2013

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/california-politics/2013/01/california-budget-jerry-brown-surplus.html

After years of red ink, Gov. Jerry Brown said on Thursday that California’s $96.7-billion general fund is now poised to end next year with a surplus, thanks to years of deep budget cuts and billions in new taxes approved by voters last year.

"We achieved the position we're in because of tough cuts ... and then the people voted for taxes," he said. "We broke the logjam by going to the people."

...

Brown’s budget predicts only the second budget surplus in the last decade, with an $851-million surplus projected at the end of the 2013-14 fiscal year -- if all his proposals are approved by lawmakers.

Mr.Bill

(24,104 posts)
48. Great, now we can focus on paying back the
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 05:22 PM
Jan 2013

40+billion that "conservative repuplican" Ahnold borrowed in between smoking cigars and riding his motorcycle without a license.

Nine

(1,741 posts)
50. Gee, but I thought Dems were "tax-and-spenders" and Repubs were the fiscally responsible ones! (nt)
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 05:23 PM
Jan 2013

Tempest

(14,591 posts)
58. One of many lies Republicans tell. The fact is, more than 90% of the debt belongs to them. n/t
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 05:27 PM
Jan 2013

Jamaal510

(10,893 posts)
51. Jerry! Jerry! Jerry! Jerry! Jerry!
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 05:23 PM
Jan 2013

So glad he got elected in 2010 to clean up Arnold's mess. That election between him and Meg Whitman was waaaaay too close for comfort, though. I can't imagine how much worse it would be if she were our governor instead...

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
125. She spent millions more than he did and still lost
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 07:37 AM
Jan 2013

As a Californian I can tell you it was never 'that close'. No more than Obama and Mitt's was. It was all media hype.

 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
67. Take the Republican out of office and put a Democrat in
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 05:50 PM
Jan 2013

And the deficit disappears. It's not rocket science.

It's called math.

 

kestrel91316

(51,666 posts)
77. We bit the bullet and we DID it, and we didn't have to kill off the sick and elderly and poor to do
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 06:06 PM
Jan 2013

it.

We DID have to gut mass transit and let the roads all go to hell, however.

Catch2.2

(629 posts)
80. Hopefully now the rest of the country will....
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 06:10 PM
Jan 2013

see the benefit of raising taxes on the rich. Everyone else is sacrificing, the country won't implode if the richest see a slight increase in their taxes. Time for them to sacrifice a little too!

montanto

(2,966 posts)
82. I'd like to thank my fellow Californians for
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 06:17 PM
Jan 2013

stepping up and helping us pay off Ahnold's fuckup. We can finally get back to work.

Downtown Hound

(12,618 posts)
84. Can't be! Everybody knows Democrats are the party of reckless spending!
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 06:22 PM
Jan 2013

Years of horrid Republican rule and GOP obstructionism gave us our financial problems. Amazing what can be accomplished when one frees themselves from such hindrances, is it not?

marlakay

(11,370 posts)
104. Now help the colleges for my grandkids
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 09:56 PM
Jan 2013

My step daughter had a horrible time finishing college in ca. They kept changing requirements, adding more and more fees within weeks before classes started, many kids she said had to drop out.

What took my daughter 4 yrs for BA took her 6 years and she had all high classes in high school so some should have been done already.



olddad56

(5,732 posts)
107. After Pete Wilson and Arnold, we deserve to have an genuine human being for a governor.
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 10:14 PM
Jan 2013

Last edited Fri Jan 11, 2013, 02:55 AM - Edit history (1)

Kablooie

(18,572 posts)
110. That's what happens when you put Democrats in charge.
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 10:41 PM
Jan 2013

The huge deficit was created by Republicans who blocked any actions to address it.
Now they have no say so in California government so the state is beginning to work again.

Why the hell are the Republicans considered the fiscally responsible party?
They destroy the economics of everything they touch.

vanlassie

(5,637 posts)
114. I think Jerry Brown has been so effective because he doesn't give a
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 12:15 AM
Jan 2013

damn if everyone likes him. Like Barney Frank- they just want to get in there and get the problems handled and to hell with their detractors. Jerry is a tough cookie.

 

supercats

(429 posts)
117. Nice Work Gov.
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 01:49 AM
Jan 2013

Thank god he's my Governor. I've proudly voted for him since the seventies. I also contributed to his Presidential campaign in the nineties.

xxqqqzme

(14,887 posts)
118. Now if we increased revenues
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 01:53 AM
Jan 2013

just imagine what could be accomplished...schools repaired & upgraded, state parks repaired and maintained would be a start.

Silver Gaia

(4,514 posts)
124. I am proud to be a (transplanted) Californian!
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 07:14 AM
Jan 2013
I knew Jerry could do this, and he did. We've weathered the storm out here, and come through to the other side. It should give hope to folks struggling elsewhere that we can do this as a country, too. It took Democrats in control to do it, though, and this is a great example to use as we gear up for 2014. We need a Democratic House to set things moving in the right direction. Yay Jerry and California Democrats!

Response to Newsjock (Original post)

Tempest

(14,591 posts)
135. Not for many, many years
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 01:10 PM
Jan 2013

We just voted our legislature with a filibuster proof Democratic majority.

Republicans are neutered in CA.

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
175. I'm so glad that CA has balanced it's budget, but....
Sat Jan 12, 2013, 04:30 AM
Jan 2013

.... we must always remember those thrown under the bus in the process. It truly does fall on the backs of the most vulnerable in our society, all for the sake of "balancing the budget." What price do we "balance our budgets?" The theory that "the ends justify the means" sucks and I've never agreed with it. I wish that theory could be buried at the bottom of the ocean or shot off into outer space.

Le Taz Hot

(22,271 posts)
177. Yes, thank you!
Sat Jan 12, 2013, 04:56 AM
Jan 2013

Too many of the wealthy are STILL not paying their fair share and too many at the bottom have paid too dearly. THOUSANDS of social programs were completely cut and it affected millions. BILLIONS were taken from pensions, schools and infrastructure, not to mention the give-backs via furloughs, wage freezes and hiring freezes which only exacerbated the problem. Those austerity measures were inflicted on the most vulnerable.

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
178. IT'S A MIRACLE!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sat Jan 12, 2013, 09:53 AM
Jan 2013

What happens when the Republican don't control the budget. Things actually get done.

Maybe Brown could make a little video for Boner and show him how to get it done.

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