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onehandle

(51,122 posts)
Tue Dec 25, 2012, 11:15 PM Dec 2012

Teacher Brings Loaded Gun To Minnesota School For Fear Of Newtown Shooting

Source: Huffington Post

Fear over the Newtown school shooting prompted a Minnesota teacher to bring a loaded gun to school last week, forcing a school lockdown. The unnamed teacher, a female in her 50s, has been placed on administrative leave from Seward Montessori School in Minneapolis.

"This is the first case like this I've ever heard of," Minneapolis police Sgt. Bill Palmer told KMSP. "In this day in age in this week, handguns in schools are of great concern to everyone."

Acting on a tip from a staff member, the school principal alerted the school resource officer, who confiscated the gun from the teacher, in her 21st year of employment at the school. The loaded .357 Magnum handgun was in the educator's locker in the teacher's lounge, according to the Star Tribune. School officials confirm that no students or staff were harmed or injured.

While the teacher was not arrested, she could face misdemeanor charges for violating conditions of her Minnesota conceal carry permit, which prohibits firearms in schools without written permission from a principal or school official.

Read more: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/25/teacher-brings-loaded-gun_n_2362989.html

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Teacher Brings Loaded Gun To Minnesota School For Fear Of Newtown Shooting (Original Post) onehandle Dec 2012 OP
!!!! bongbong Dec 2012 #1
One teacher that failed to think it through. LiberalFighter Dec 2012 #34
This is the NRA's proudest moment for sure. nt aaaaaa5a Dec 2012 #2
What good would a gun in a locker be in the event of an assault? Laurian Dec 2012 #3
It is. Generally when one scratches under the veneer of the US there is a lot of crazy to be found. RKP5637 Dec 2012 #10
"Totally and completely fucked in the head" is the operative phrase, I think. Maybe coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #19
*FACEPALM* Odin2005 Dec 2012 #4
This woman should get jail time........and a lot of it. bowens43 Dec 2012 #5
Uhh, what about self-defense? alp227 Dec 2012 #11
Say, you bring up a great question! SoapBox Dec 2012 #15
Hmm... alp227 Dec 2012 #16
One need not kill someone to succesfully defend oneself. n/t PavePusher Dec 2012 #30
So, naaman fletcher Dec 2012 #24
Or at least be persuaded to stop Turbineguy Dec 2012 #26
Well, while I don't condone it, can you blame them? Jesus, they're scared witless. MichiganVote Dec 2012 #6
Yes I can blame them for this. HERVEPA Dec 2012 #8
It didn't help that the Police Chief bragged on TV that "they already have guns in our schools". glinda Dec 2012 #7
I wonder what the reaction will be when an armed teacher accidently shoots a student. nt Speck Tater Dec 2012 #9
"Well, if that student had had his own gun, that wouldn't have happened". Aristus Dec 2012 #12
Bwahahaha! sofa king Dec 2012 #14
wow that is a surprise and sad too n/t azurnoir Dec 2012 #13
The Tree of Knowledge is FULL of NUTs! triplepoint Dec 2012 #17
Bookmarking for this ^ Turborama Dec 2012 #38
Can't really blame her. geomon666 Dec 2012 #18
I have John2 Dec 2012 #23
i have oddoneout Dec 2012 #31
HAH! You had me for a moment there. n/t FourScore Dec 2012 #32
Call me cynical davidpdx Dec 2012 #20
This is why teachers shouldn't have concealed carry. knitter4democracy Dec 2012 #21
Craziness. Did she expect something like this: Blandocyte Dec 2012 #22
Another case of not thinking.... 47of74 Dec 2012 #25
"misdemeanor" - endangering the entire school and will receive only a slap on the wrist . . if that DrDan Dec 2012 #27
Maria Montessori called her schools the "Children's House". no_hypocrisy Dec 2012 #28
My thought exactly! Of all schools, a Montessori school... OneGrassRoot Dec 2012 #29
Seriously! n/t FourScore Dec 2012 #33
This message was self-deleted by its author devilgrrl Dec 2012 #35
That teacher has no business in a classroom. PufPuf23 Dec 2012 #36
She Can Be Wayne LaPierre's Date At This Year's NRA Banquet. Paladin Dec 2012 #37
 

bongbong

(5,436 posts)
1. !!!!
Tue Dec 25, 2012, 11:21 PM
Dec 2012

> The loaded .357 Magnum handgun was in the educator's locker in the teacher's lounge

Very secure. Those teacher lockers in the lounge can stand up to a 1/4" screwdriver, so it's good that the 3/8" and above sizes are rare and only owned by a few dozen people in the entire world.

What insane nuts the Delicate Flowers are.

LiberalFighter

(50,856 posts)
34. One teacher that failed to think it through.
Wed Dec 26, 2012, 04:47 PM
Dec 2012

The woman doesn't provide a good example for a teacher in her profession. Hope she does better with the classes that she does teach.

Laurian

(2,593 posts)
3. What good would a gun in a locker be in the event of an assault?
Tue Dec 25, 2012, 11:27 PM
Dec 2012

Seems more likely it would fall into the wrong hands than be available for "defensive purposes". Damn, the whole country has gone crazy.....

RKP5637

(67,102 posts)
10. It is. Generally when one scratches under the veneer of the US there is a lot of crazy to be found.
Wed Dec 26, 2012, 01:17 AM
Dec 2012
 

coalition_unwilling

(14,180 posts)
19. "Totally and completely fucked in the head" is the operative phrase, I think. Maybe
Wed Dec 26, 2012, 05:15 AM
Dec 2012

she was one of LaPierre's demonstration projects.

 

bowens43

(16,064 posts)
5. This woman should get jail time........and a lot of it.
Wed Dec 26, 2012, 12:13 AM
Dec 2012

anyone who carries a handgun anywhere for any reason should face jail time.

SoapBox

(18,791 posts)
15. Say, you bring up a great question!
Wed Dec 26, 2012, 02:39 AM
Dec 2012

In, say 2011, how many "defense" killings were there vs. murders, with guns?

alp227

(32,015 posts)
16. Hmm...
Wed Dec 26, 2012, 03:03 AM
Dec 2012
http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/pub/ascii/hvfsdaft.txt

"38% of the victims defending themselves with a firearm attacked
the offender, and the others threatened the offender with the
weapon."

"In most cases victims who used firearms to defend themselves or
their property were confronted by offenders who were either unarmed
or armed with weapons other than firearms. "

http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/research/hicrc/firearms-research/gun-threats-and-self-defense-gun-use/index.html

" Most purported self-defense gun uses are gun uses in escalating arguments and are both socially undesirable and illegal

We analyzed data from two national random-digit-dial surveys conducted under the auspices of the Harvard Injury Control Research Center. Criminal court judges who read the self-reported accounts of the purported self-defense gun use rated a majority as being illegal, even assuming that the respondent had a permit to own and to carry a gun, and that the respondent had described the event honestly from his own perspective."

"Firearms are used far more often to intimidate than in self-defense.

Using data from a national random-digit-dial telephone survey conducted under the direction of the Harvard Injury Control Center, we examined the extent and nature of offensive gun use. We found that firearms are used far more often to frighten and intimidate than they are used in self-defense. All reported cases of criminal gun use, as well as many of the so-called self-defense gun uses, appear to be socially undesirable."

I agree, what's the cost-benefit analysis of guns in self-defense vs escalating confrontations/other violence?
 

naaman fletcher

(7,362 posts)
24. So,
Wed Dec 26, 2012, 01:08 PM
Dec 2012

If I legally take a handgun to the range tomorrow you think I should go to jail even though I haven't violated any laws?

 

MichiganVote

(21,086 posts)
6. Well, while I don't condone it, can you blame them? Jesus, they're scared witless.
Wed Dec 26, 2012, 12:14 AM
Dec 2012

But oh well, they're all a bunch of union thugs anyway so fuck em' right?

glinda

(14,807 posts)
7. It didn't help that the Police Chief bragged on TV that "they already have guns in our schools".
Wed Dec 26, 2012, 12:20 AM
Dec 2012

They aired that sucker over and over again. Meanwhile the conservative Chief (who has had several past offenses, charges and lawsuits btw) bragged how he had a seat at the table with Obama telling him this. The NRA is working very hard right now in MN. to scare the crap out of the public. They started with the wolf hunt in my opinion. Shock and awe.

Aristus

(66,310 posts)
12. "Well, if that student had had his own gun, that wouldn't have happened".
Wed Dec 26, 2012, 02:15 AM
Dec 2012

That's the reaction; to the letter...

 

triplepoint

(431 posts)
17. The Tree of Knowledge is FULL of NUTs!
Wed Dec 26, 2012, 03:08 AM
Dec 2012

Last edited Fri Dec 28, 2012, 02:25 PM - Edit history (1)

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"...We have to save each other because all victims are equal and none is more equal than others. It's everyone's duty to start the avalanche."

--Bartholomew "Barley" Scott Blair, "The Russia House"

A Moment of Introspecting a "Kid"
So, what could a "kid" be thinking nowadays....Let's say for a moment that I'm a kid, and I want to go to the movies....but it's not safe there anymore. Well, there's always the Mall...but it's not safe there anymore...Well, I can play with my friends in the schoolyard...but it's not safe there anymore. I could be shot in any of those three places. I've read and seen it on the TV and the Internet.

See what kind of world we've made for them? Do you see it now? How can children "be the future" if they're slain beforehand?
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John2

(2,730 posts)
23. I have
Wed Dec 26, 2012, 11:29 AM
Dec 2012

played violent video games all my life and haven't murdered anyone. That guy speaking for the NRA is an idiot. You cannot kill some one with a violent video game but you can with a gun. I've seen violent movies also as well as millions of other people. This stuff is just rightwing propaganda so the Right can support their point of view. They will never concede they are wrong, just like the tax issues. They are just like a cult. so this calamity Jane will still support her guns.

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
20. Call me cynical
Wed Dec 26, 2012, 07:44 AM
Dec 2012

But I have to wonder if she and other teachers are going to do this to prompt lawsuits when their employers take action against them. Could NRA members be trying to challenge any rulings that would prevent a teacher from bringing a gun to school?

knitter4democracy

(14,350 posts)
21. This is why teachers shouldn't have concealed carry.
Wed Dec 26, 2012, 09:26 AM
Dec 2012

Like I keep telling my students, I'd just be giving someone a weapon, as it would be pretty easy to take it away from me or get it out of any hiding place, and there are too many teachers who shouldn't be armed.

 

47of74

(18,470 posts)
25. Another case of not thinking....
Wed Dec 26, 2012, 01:34 PM
Dec 2012

And some crazed gunman is going to allow her to run down to the teacher's lounge, grab her gun out of her locker, and then come back?

Ok...

DrDan

(20,411 posts)
27. "misdemeanor" - endangering the entire school and will receive only a slap on the wrist . . if that
Wed Dec 26, 2012, 01:44 PM
Dec 2012

no_hypocrisy

(46,070 posts)
28. Maria Montessori called her schools the "Children's House".
Wed Dec 26, 2012, 01:48 PM
Dec 2012

Bringing a gun to school is unconscionable under any circumstances, but to a Montessori school! Jesus!

OneGrassRoot

(22,920 posts)
29. My thought exactly! Of all schools, a Montessori school...
Wed Dec 26, 2012, 01:51 PM
Dec 2012

Sounds like she doesn't belong in the Montessori program.

Geesh...

Response to onehandle (Original post)

Paladin

(28,246 posts)
37. She Can Be Wayne LaPierre's Date At This Year's NRA Banquet.
Thu Dec 27, 2012, 09:13 AM
Dec 2012

She'll be a nice change from Ted Nugent....
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