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Tue Dec 18, 2012, 12:04 PM

Oklahoma Will Consider Law Allowing Teachers To Bring Guns To School

Source: Think Progress

Teachers and principals may soon be packing heat in the classroom, if Oklahoma State Rep. Mark McCullough (R) has his way. According to a report by The Oklahoman, the lawmaker “pledged to introduce legislation in the upcoming session to allow principals and teachers who go through training to be able to carry firearms on school property.” McCullough made the now-familiar argument that people intent on mass shootings are unlikely to follow the law:

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Several other state legislatures are considering similar legislation, cheered on by a number of Republicans and pro-gun activists

Read more: http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/12/18/1350591/oklahoma-will-consider-law-allowing-teachers-to-bring-guns-to-school/



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Reply Oklahoma Will Consider Law Allowing Teachers To Bring Guns To School (Original post)
yesphan Dec 2012 OP
redstatebluegirl Dec 2012 #1
yesphan Dec 2012 #8
redstatebluegirl Dec 2012 #32
Speck Tater Dec 2012 #2
Walk away Dec 2012 #26
ManiacJoe Dec 2012 #30
Turbineguy Dec 2012 #3
Drahthaardogs Dec 2012 #31
Turbineguy Dec 2012 #34
AlexSatan Dec 2012 #40
neverforget Dec 2012 #41
AlexSatan Dec 2012 #46
neverforget Dec 2012 #47
AlexSatan Dec 2012 #48
neverforget Dec 2012 #49
AlexSatan Dec 2012 #50
neverforget Dec 2012 #51
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jpak Dec 2012 #5
Atypical Liberal Dec 2012 #9
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Response to yesphan (Original post)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 12:07 PM

1. We should not be surprised, this is Oklahoma

where you can carry a gun almost anywhere. I expected it as soon as this happened, it opened the door for the people who want us all armed and dangerous.

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Response to redstatebluegirl (Reply #1)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 12:25 PM

8. Saw my first "open carry"

in a restaurant the other day. Felt uncomfortable seeing it.

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Response to yesphan (Reply #8)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 04:24 PM

32. I saw one in a restaurant and left

on my way out I told the manager why I was leaving. There were kids all over the place!

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Response to yesphan (Original post)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 12:08 PM

2. This is so that the shooters will know who to kill first. nt

 

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Response to Speck Tater (Reply #2)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 02:37 PM

26. I never thought of that. nt

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Response to Speck Tater (Reply #2)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 02:49 PM

30. That is one of the downsides to open carry.

But in school settings, the staff would be targeted first since they are the biggest threat to the attacker whether the staff is armed or not.

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Response to yesphan (Original post)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 12:08 PM

3. Hmmm.....

I have to go to the end of the driveway to check the mailbox. Should I wear a side arm?

This is actually a great (republican) idea. It will keep teachers at home, increase home schooling and help kids keep from learing bad stuff (like science). You know, in a free country, you just can't have too many ignorant, scared, armed and dangerous people.

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Response to Turbineguy (Reply #3)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 03:26 PM

31. Colorado has always been open carry.

You hardly ever see anyone do it. It also did not stop Columbine now did it?

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Response to Drahthaardogs (Reply #31)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 05:12 PM

34. It's not whether or not you are allowed to by law

it is whether or not you should. Would we all be better off living in a combat zone?

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Response to Drahthaardogs (Reply #31)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 07:15 PM

40. Of course it didn't.

 

"The Gun-Free School Zones Act (GFSZA, codified at 18 U.S.C. § 922(q)) is a federal United States law that prohibits any individual from knowingly possessing a firearm at a place that the individual knows, or has reasonable cause to believe, is a school zone."

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Response to AlexSatan (Reply #40)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 07:22 PM

41. Do you support or oppose that law?

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Response to neverforget (Reply #41)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 07:31 PM

46. I think properly trained

 

teachers should be allowed to carry on school grounds if they choose to.

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Response to AlexSatan (Reply #46)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 07:36 PM

47. Should they carry in the open so the kids should see it? Or should they keep it locked

up? And what is "properly trained"?

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Response to neverforget (Reply #47)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 07:44 PM

48. I don't believe there is any advantage to open carry

 

in school. As long as would-be shooters know there is a chance of armed resistance, that is a deterrent.

Concealed would be better so would-be shooters don't know exactly who carries.

Personally, I would keep it in a locked drawer.

Would having a gun save the initial victims. Probably not. The first targets would not have time to react. But is likely would reduce the number.

Most shootings, including Sandy Hook, ended when the shooter faced or imminently faced armed resistance. Some mass shooting lasted over an hour. Columbine lasted 50 minutes.

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Response to AlexSatan (Reply #48)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 07:48 PM

49. What kind of training would you give them?

As for Columbine, I believe the police waited for SWAT to show up before entering the school but I'm not sure. I know that the shooting here at the mall (Clackamas Town Center last Tuesday) the police went right in and were there within minutes of the initial call.

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Response to neverforget (Reply #49)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 08:04 PM

50. I'm not really familiar with the training courses

 

I would think for those carrying in a school, an initial ~4hr class that includes shooting fundamentals and gun familiarization (assembly/disassembly/cleaning) with a shooting session.

Followed by another 2 hours of scenario-driven shooting exercise mixing simulated fire and real fire on the range. And repeat that every 6 months.

I'm a big 2A advocate but I think things need to be tightened up. I just got my CCP in CO and I didn't require any training since I had left the military within 3 years. That actually concerned me. If I hadn't gone through 9mm/M4 (GUA-5) training a year or so prior for deployment training, it would have been over 20 years since I had any training. In that time, I had fired my shotgun twice. That was it.

And I don't need training for 5 years. I am very cautious and respectful of guns so I will make sure I am completely comfortable and competent with a handgun before I will carry in public.

I was also surprised when I went in last Friday morning to buy a handgun (I'd been planning it for a while and it had nothing to do with the shooting) and was surprised to find out that I could have walked out a half hour later if they didn't need to special order what I wanted. I thought there was more of a waiting period.

Frankly, I would be more comfortable with training being required, even for military, unless they have had actual training within the past two years. And I support a week waiting period to buy a gun.

I could even live with a license being required to open carry as long as it is not cost-prohibitive.

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Response to AlexSatan (Reply #50)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 08:18 PM

51. Thank you for responding.

I don't think teachers should be armed because putting a gun inside a school with kids/teenagers is a dangerous mix. The reason being kids/teenagers are mentally immature and with teenagers, well, they can be pretty emotional. My daughters 3rd grade teacher is a small lady and when thinking about someone like that in high school (I had them) could easily be overpowered by a teenage boy. Besides that, I don't think putting a gun inside a school is a good idea. There are just too many variables.

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Response to neverforget (Reply #51)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 08:27 PM

52. However, the problem we are combating

 

is a gun already being in the school. Even having several teachers with them locked in a drawer could have saved several lives. No all, of course, but every single one matters and saving one would be worth it.

Obviously, in the case of a small lady who was worried about being overpowered, carrying it on her person would not be smart. But her screams (if attacked) could bring another teacher.

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Response to yesphan (Original post)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 12:09 PM

4. repigs' "thought" processes

 

"We have a rampant disease here. I've got an idea! How about if we treat the disease by bringing in more germs and infecting everybody! USA! USA! USA!"

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Response to yesphan (Original post)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 12:11 PM

5. How soon and how many kids will be shot with a teacher's gun?

Dropped.

Left unintended.

Stolen.

The GOP/NRA = gun insanity.

yup

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Response to jpak (Reply #5)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 12:42 PM

9. Yup, this is just another setup for the fall.

 

We'll have armed teachers, and then some teacher will leave it unattended, or will drop it, or some student will overpower the teacher and take it away from them, and someone is going to get shot and killed.

We don't pay these people enough for the responsibility of teaching. You want them to be security guards, too?

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Response to jpak (Reply #5)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 02:48 PM

29. My daughter had a very bad experience

with a teacher and a gun. Wonderful teacher, who unfortunately was very depressed after his divorce and losing custody of his kids. All the kids loved him and my daughter always talked about how great Mr. P her Science teacher was. Well, maybe not exactly.

Mr. P one night went back to his Science Lab and shot himself in the head. Fortunately, he was discovered the next morning by the custodian and not the KIDS. Horrible. WHY did he choose to commit suicide in the school where a child could find him? Maybe because it was the placed he loved so much?

The kids were received counseling for just the trauma of this. My own daughter did. She cried for days and refused to go in that Lab.

This not a made up "story". I guess I have had too many experiences in my 64 years. No, I don't want teachers, or me, with guns in schools.


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Response to yesphan (Original post)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 12:17 PM

6. Have they considered the possibility of a kid stealing a gun from a teacher and using it?

The likelihood of this happening is probably greater than the probability of a killer walking into a school. Then there is the question of whether teachers can be trained well enough and stay trained well enough to be effective in a high adrenaline school shooter situation.

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