Hostess Maneuver Deprived Pension (took workers' pension money to fund itself)
Source: Yahoo
The maneuver probably doesn't violate federal law because the money Hostess failed to put into the pension didn't come directly from employees, experts said.
"It's what lawyers call betrayal without remedy," said James P. Baker, a partner at Baker & McKenzie LLP who specializes in employee benefits and isn't involved in the Hostess case. "It's sad, but that stuff does happen, unfortunately."
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For example, John Jordan, a union official and former Hostess employee, said workers at a Hostess factory in Biddeford, Maine, agreed to plow 28 cents of their 30-cents-an-hour wage increase in November 2010 into the pension plan.
Hostess was supposed to take the additional 28 cents an hour and contribute it to the workers' pension plan.
Read more: http://finance.yahoo.com/news/hostess-maneuver-deprived-pension-051400720.html
Laurian
(2,593 posts)FreeBC
(403 posts)Those executives should go to jail.
aquart
(69,014 posts)But they get their cursed bonuses? (May whatever they buy with those bonuses kill them.)
Iggy
(1,418 posts)if Hostess, in grand "free market" style decides to default on paying their worker pensions??
Tah dah!! yes, we the taxpayers will pay those pensions, via the Pension Benefit Guarantee Program.
Sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeet, eh?
antigop
(12,778 posts)explained here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=1957181
The corporations who offer defined benefits pension plans pay premiums to the PBGC. The PBGC is NOT funded by general revenue. Think of it as insurance that the corporations pay.
Wellstone ruled
(34,661 posts)they even screwed us out of our T-shirts. This shit started with White Motor and what was called Minneapolis Moline in the 1960 s. This issue of Employees getting screwed at the behest of their managers has never really been tried in the Court of law. Delaware has a bunch of bogus bankruptcy laws,that is why companies incorporate in Delaware. ERISA was formed basically to protect Corporations from you and I. Companies steal 100% of the Pensions and the Employees get 10% of what they are due. What a scam. Yes,I'll admit,there are a few Democrats whom helped pass laws to f---up the working folks.
patrice
(47,992 posts)Common Sense Party
(14,139 posts)This story, as written, is misleading: "money taken out of workers' paychecks"...no, it wasn't.
I do not believe, based on other reports, that Hostess took employee 401(k) deductions out of their paychecks and then diverted that to company expenses. That would be a big time ERISA violation and they'd be in deep guano.
What they did was take corporate profits that had been set aside as future pension contributions and they diverted them to try to keep the company afloat. It's a lousy thing to do, especially since they probably had all the executive bonus money stashed away in a separate, golden lock-box ledger. But it's not criminal. Unethical, slimy, despicable? Yes. Criminal? It's be tough to find a judge that would say it was.
RedstDem
(1,239 posts)it's time we "took out the trash"....
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)these employees may or may not have chosen to move to another job had they realizes that the agreement for Hostess to put money into a pension was not valid or enforcable or even non existent. Had the company been truthful with the employees about their struggling finances, perhaps the employee would have taken an early withdrawal and paid the penalties rather than get nothing.
Corporations are the biggest asshole types of persons, Mitt.
socialindependocrat
(1,372 posts)I think that all money that has gone into a pension fund should stay - no matter what.
If it is invested and considered "over funded" it should all stay.
And if a company decides to close - all money should be reconciled with th pension fund before
any goes to other creditors.
All these pension default problems just come back on the tax payers and then the republicants
use it against all the "entitlement" programs with their propaganda.
yardwork
(61,539 posts)This needs to be made illegal.
Downwinder
(12,869 posts)Last edited Tue Dec 11, 2012, 07:40 AM - Edit history (1)
Tx4obama
(36,974 posts)JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)would be placed in the pension fund, is the 28 cents actually the worker's pay, simply deferred pay owed by the employer?
Festivito
(13,452 posts)Joe Bacon
(5,163 posts)Thanks to the Three Stooges--Pruneface Reagan, Old Fart Bush and Dumbya, the courts are packed with Federalist Society rubber stamps who whore 24/7 for their corporate pimps.
bemildred
(90,061 posts)Trillo
(9,154 posts)Sounds like a long-term problem needing a solution. Perhaps all employer pension contributions need to be sent to a third party. Campaign contributions from big corporations undoubtedly get in the way of solving this.
It's curious that our system demands "the presumption of innocence", when the accumulated funds of many people are continually abused by the few (corporations).
Anyone in the military who took their honor code seriously could never work for a private employer until that employer first proved their integrity. In this system that we have, the employer doesn't apply to workers, rather, the worker applies to the employer, meaning the potential worker must prove themselves to the employer. This is reversed from how it needs to be. The presumption of innocence, when it comes to very wealthy entities, seems to be the biggest con game going.
Perhaps the accumulation of great wealth, or its concentration in corporate structures, needs to be viewed as "probable cause", clearly suspicious activity, indicative of as-yet-undiscovered fraud.