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Fri Nov 30, 2012, 09:48 AM

Hungary far-right MP slams Israeli presence in parliament

Source: Ynet News

A storm over apparent anti-Semitic remarks in Hungary's parliament continued unabated Thursday, as a far-right Jobbik deputy called publicly for the resignation of a fellow MP who claimed to have Israeli citizenship.

At a press conference, Jobbik deputy Elod Novak said it was unacceptable that Katalin Ertsey, a deputy of the small opposition party LMP, had kept her dual Hungarian-Israeli citizenship secret and called for her resignation.

He later told news portal Index, "Israel has more deputies in the Hungarian parliament than they have in the Israeli Knesset."

This was why the Hungarian parliament made so many decisions that were favorable to the Israel, he added, without however giving any examples.

Read more: http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4313837,00.html

Note to LBN hosts: this is a separate incident from the one here.

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Reply Hungary far-right MP slams Israeli presence in parliament (Original post)
steve2470 Nov 2012 OP
heaven05 Nov 2012 #1
Posteritatis Dec 2012 #7
JDPriestly Nov 2012 #2
Comrade Grumpy Nov 2012 #3
JDPriestly Dec 2012 #4
Ken Burch Dec 2012 #5
JDPriestly Dec 2012 #6

Response to steve2470 (Original post)

Fri Nov 30, 2012, 11:01 AM

1. get

an amerikkkan citizenship, join the republican/tea party and you'll fit right in.

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Response to heaven05 (Reply #1)

Sat Dec 1, 2012, 03:35 PM

7. Jobbik members are rather viler than a typical Republican. (nt)

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Response to steve2470 (Original post)

Fri Nov 30, 2012, 11:32 AM

2. OK. Critics of Israel.

Do you finally understand what Israel is about?

A tiny number of people picked out of the crowd and slaughtered for centuries finally get a tiny place of their own in the world. And you criticize them.

The world is a big place. You can live in lots of it if you are Christian or Muslim or Buddhist or Hindu or atheist or whatever.

But, even though Jews do not proselytize or impose their religion on others, they are singled out for persecution over and over.

Makes no sense, but that is the way it is.

As a non-Jew, I strongly support Israel and wish the world would just leave it alone. Jews are a tiny minority of the world's population. Surely we can afford them one small refuge somewhere and deal with Palestinians in a fair, but accommodating manner without so much hate and violence.

For many, perhaps not for you, Palestine is just another excuse to bully the small Jewish minority in the world.

Just leave Israel alone. For crying out loud.

I really dislike bullies and their threats and taunts. Stop the bullying and threats and taunts and the Palestinians and Israelis will be fine. There can be peace in the Middle East. It's just a matter of time.

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Response to JDPriestly (Reply #2)

Fri Nov 30, 2012, 11:42 AM

3. You really dislike bullies? How do you square that with supporting Israel?


The biggest bully in the neighborhood.

I once felt as you did. My feelings have changed over the last few decades.

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Response to Comrade Grumpy (Reply #3)

Sat Dec 1, 2012, 01:07 AM

4. Funny. Because I once felt as you do. And my feelings

changed over the decades since 1948 when I was a child and the situation was first brought to my attention.

The Palestinians need to negotiate in good faith and enforce the negotiated borders. The Israelis need to do the same. Western countries will insure that Israel keeps its word on negotiated borders and peace. It's the Palestinians who have to enforce the peace on themselves.

The right of return would be impossible today because Israel could not survive if it permitted angry, vengeful Palestinians to return to live in its borders. The idea is just a tragically dishonest excuse for not negotiating a realistic peace.

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Response to JDPriestly (Reply #2)

Sat Dec 1, 2012, 02:30 AM

5. You need to acceopt that it's possible to understand Israel's existence, AND oppose antisemitism

As we oppose all forms of hatred, yet reject the idea that those things justify what the State of Israel does to Palestinians collectively in the name of "security".

Jobbik is a party of Europeans. Hitler was European. The Tsar was European. Torquemada was European. It's Europeans
who bear most of the responsibility for antisemitism...NOT Palestinians, other Arabs, and Muslims.

Fight antisemitism because it's an injustice, yes...but don't do that by inflicting an injustice against people of another culture, on another continent, who had nothing to do with the crimes of Europe.

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Response to Ken Burch (Reply #5)

Sat Dec 1, 2012, 03:33 PM

6. I favor a negotiated peace with secure borders

guaranteed for both sides. I recall that there was a time prior to the Second Intifada when Palestinians could go into Israel to work, etc. When bombs started going off under buses and in the streets of Israel, the Israelis closed their borders, built a wall and have done all kinds of things to push the Palestinians to negotiate and enforce a peace.

I have watched the Palestinians make a mess of their situation. So much aid has been given to the Palestinians, but they have done so little to improve their own living situation. That is my impression. Instead of focusing on doing a lot with what they have and gaining sympathy and assistance for their positive efforts, they have focused on revenge. That is why I am not sympathetic to their cause. They have made a bad situation much worse for themselves.

Their leadership has not guided them well. That is my sense.

Remember that before the right-wing governments now in Israel, there was a period in which Israel had more left-wing governments that were amenable to negotiations. Those governments were met with violence on the other sides. The Israelis have shown that they can clear out settlements if they agree to do so. Palestine needs to become realistic about its own needs as well as those of Israel and negotiate a peace that both sides can live with and feel safe with.

I have no doubt that the US and Israel's other allies will insure that Israel complies with a fair agreement. Who will insure that Palestine does its part after an agreement is signed? Who can insure that Palestine will abandon absurd demands that Israel could never accept and come to the negotiating table in good faith? Who can insure that Palestine will enforce the borders it negotiates against its own people? I think that the IDF would enforce a negotiated agreement against extremists on its side. If not, the US would make sure the agreement is enforced. Who will do that on the Palestinian side? That is the problem.

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