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(134,188 posts)
Tue Dec 5, 2023, 12:04 PM Dec 2023

"Chilling moment": Liz Cheney says she secretly listened to phone call revealing Trump's Jan. 6 plot

Source: Salon

Published December 5, 2023 10:18AM (EST)

Former Rep. Liz Cheney, R-Wyo., in her upcoming book "Oath and Honor," disclosed the moment she learned of former President Donald Trump's plot to paint his loss of the 2020 presidential election as fraudulent, calling it "a very dangerous and chilling moment." MSNBC's Rachel Maddow read an excerpt from the book, detailing a phone call made two days before the deadly Capitol attacks in which the former president's legal team allegedly discussed the fake elector scheme.

Cheney, who noted that Trump's attorneys were unaware that she was listening in on the call, also observed that former Vice President Mike Pence was acting in cooperation with the plans at that time.

“Listening to them describe how these fake electors were going to be used and the fact that they anticipated that Vice President Pence was gonna use them to refuse to count the legitimate electors was certainly a moment of intense concern,” Cheney wrote, also noting that she fled to the House parliamentarian after the call concluded to try and halt the plan. “It was very clear that there were not a lot of good answers to that,” Cheney added.

The former legislator observed that Pence "ultimately of course did his duty bravely," writing that she soon learned he was also speaking to the Senate parliamentarian. Pence would also eventually testify before a grand jury investigating Trump's attempts to overturn the 2020 election.

Read more: https://www.salon.com/2023/12/05/chilling-moment-liz-cheney-says-she-secretly-listened-to-phone-call-revealing-jan-6-plot/?in_brief=true

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(134,188 posts)
4. It might be why she persisted with being on the J6 Committee
Tue Dec 5, 2023, 12:33 PM
Dec 2023

Compared to her other GOP colleague book-writers who were cowards (like Bolton), she at least did what she did excoriating her own through those hearings.



(276 posts)
9. We must grant her that much!
Tue Dec 5, 2023, 04:36 PM
Dec 2023

She was one of the stars of the hearings, stern, assiduous, laser-like focus, brooking no BS. She exhibited high levels of true leadership, something beyond the cartoonish bluster and soundbites that prevail in so much of the modern-day post-Citizens-United Congress.

But yeah, I hate the tell-all's that might have been much more helpful all those months ago. Such untimely gossip collections have served to dampen out the actuality of the sedition and to prevent a more cohesive overview of the overthrow, short-circuiting the possible rousing of the Public to the point of demanding that the Slobfather be cuffed, shackled, and sent far away never to return.


(8,638 posts)
6. Had she named names before the 2022 election
Tue Dec 5, 2023, 12:58 PM
Dec 2023

I might be willing to cut her additional slack. But, nope. There's money to be made.

This isn't to say I don't appreciate the stands she did take, but girl had the receipts and failed to used them until she could make some money. Still fucking cowardly.


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7. Someone had to have clued her in on the call. I would like to know who and why did Pence get away
Tue Dec 5, 2023, 01:31 PM
Dec 2023

with being in on it. What changed his mind? Those two traitorous fucking republicans kept their silence. Had her Daddy had the stones to try something like that or for that matter any republican she liked she for sure would have gone along with it.


(22,956 posts)
8. I didn't get to see all of the interview last night
Tue Dec 5, 2023, 01:43 PM
Dec 2023

I fell asleep. Sigh. I think Jen Psaki is going to have her on again.

I think she's been pretty brave through all this, a leading voice on the Jan 6 hearings. She lost her job because of it. Could she have spoken out sooner? Sure. You can probably say that for half the rethuglican caucus.


(212,412 posts)
12. 'Dangerous and chilling': Cheney describes the moment she learned Trump's 2020 scheme - Rachel Maddow - MSNBC
Wed Dec 6, 2023, 04:39 AM
Dec 2023

In her new book, "Oath and Honor," former Rep. Liz Cheney describes when she first learned about Donald Trump's fake elector scheme, just two days before January 6. Cheney talks with Rachel Maddow about her reaction when she realized what was about to happen. - Aired on 12/04/2023.
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