Tue Sep 12, 2023, 07:17 PM
OKIsItJustMe (19,355 posts)
Eight catastrophic floods in 11 days: What's behind intense rainfall around the world?
Source: NBC News
Scientists say climate change is likely having an impact on rainfall and flooding, but understanding precisely what that relationship is can be tricky. Sept. 12, 2023, 5:03 PM EDT By Denise Chow The catastrophic flooding in Libya that has left as many as 10,000 people feared dead is just the latest in a string of intense rainfall events to hammer various parts of the globe over the past two weeks. In the first 11 days of September, eight devastating flooding events have unfolded on four continents. Before Mediterranean storm Daniel sent floodwaters surging through eastern Libya, severe rains inundated parts of central Greece, northwestern Turkey, southern Brazil, central and coastal Spain, southern China, Hong Kong and the southwestern United States. Seeing this many unrelated extreme weather events around the world in such a short period of time is unusual, said Andrew Hoell, a research meteorologist at the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration’s Physical Sciences Laboratory. … Read more: https://www.nbcnews.com/science/science-news/eight-catastrophic-floods-11-days-s-intense-rainfall-world-rcna104620
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OKIsItJustMe | Sep 12 | OP |
kimbutgar | Sep 12 | #1 | |
lapfog_1 | Sep 12 | #2 | |
OKIsItJustMe | Sep 12 | #11 | |
Attilatheblond | Sep 13 | #52 | |
OKIsItJustMe | Sep 13 | #54 | |
Attilatheblond | Sep 13 | #55 | |
Ford_Prefect | Sep 12 | #17 | |
lapfog_1 | Sep 12 | #19 | |
OKIsItJustMe | Sep 12 | #22 | |
lapfog_1 | Sep 12 | #24 | |
OKIsItJustMe | Sep 12 | #27 | |
lapfog_1 | Sep 12 | #30 | |
OKIsItJustMe | Sep 12 | #23 | |
WhiteTara | Sep 12 | #28 | |
OKIsItJustMe | Sep 12 | #31 | |
Ford_Prefect | Sep 12 | #32 | |
BlueIn_W_Pa | Sep 13 | #44 | |
lapfog_1 | Sep 13 | #46 | |
Think. Again. | Sep 12 | #3 | |
Elessar Zappa | Sep 13 | #51 | |
Think. Again. | Sep 13 | #56 | |
republianmushroom | Sep 12 | #4 | |
COL Mustard | Sep 12 | #5 | |
Rural_Progressive | Sep 12 | #6 | |
bucolic_frolic | Sep 12 | #7 | |
PoindexterOglethorpe | Sep 12 | #8 | |
Delphinus | Sep 12 | #15 | |
PoindexterOglethorpe | Sep 12 | #37 | |
Delphinus | Sep 12 | #39 | |
royable | Sep 12 | #9 | |
OKIsItJustMe | Sep 12 | #13 | |
PoindexterOglethorpe | Sep 12 | #38 | |
Evolve Dammit | Sep 12 | #10 | |
OKIsItJustMe | Sep 12 | #14 | |
Evolve Dammit | Sep 12 | #18 | |
OKIsItJustMe | Sep 12 | #20 | |
Evolve Dammit | Sep 13 | #47 | |
OKIsItJustMe | Sep 13 | #53 | |
Evolve Dammit | Sep 13 | #61 | |
Blues Heron | Sep 12 | #12 | |
OKIsItJustMe | Sep 12 | #16 | |
hatrack | Sep 12 | #21 | |
OKIsItJustMe | Sep 12 | #26 | |
lapfog_1 | Sep 12 | #29 | |
OKIsItJustMe | Sep 12 | #41 | |
hatrack | Sep 13 | #42 | |
Evolve Dammit | Sep 13 | #48 | |
Marthe48 | Sep 12 | #25 | |
Evolve Dammit | Sep 13 | #49 | |
Marthe48 | Sep 13 | #50 | |
Evolve Dammit | Sep 13 | #63 | |
Voltaire2 | Sep 13 | #58 | |
Evolve Dammit | Sep 13 | #62 | |
Ford_Prefect | Sep 12 | #33 | |
progressoid | Sep 12 | #34 | |
SCantiGOP | Sep 12 | #35 | |
IcyPeas | Sep 13 | #60 | |
WestMichRad | Sep 12 | #36 | |
OKIsItJustMe | Sep 12 | #40 | |
Magoo48 | Sep 13 | #43 | |
BlueIn_W_Pa | Sep 13 | #45 | |
Voltaire2 | Sep 13 | #57 | |
Kennah | Sep 13 | #59 |
Response to OKIsItJustMe (Original post)
Tue Sep 12, 2023, 07:25 PM
kimbutgar (19,618 posts)
1. It's scarily becoming like those disaster movies where the world is coming to the end.
Response to OKIsItJustMe (Original post)
Tue Sep 12, 2023, 07:26 PM
lapfog_1 (28,216 posts)
2. all predicted by climate models for, what, 25 years
maybe longer.
Welcome to the Anthropocene... a lot of people are going to die. We have never had 8 billion people on this planet with the type of conditions that are going to be the new normal. Feeding them all is going to be a challenge. |
Response to lapfog_1 (Reply #2)
Tue Sep 12, 2023, 08:33 PM
OKIsItJustMe (19,355 posts)
11. More than 40
Hansen et al. (1981): Climate impact of increasing atmospheric carbon dioxide
Climate models indicate that large regional climate variations will accompany global warming. Such shifting of climatic patterns has great practical significance, because the precipitation patterns determine the locations of deserts, fertile areas, and marginal lands. A major regional change in the doubled CO₂ experiment with our three-dimensional model (6,8) was the creation of hot, dry conditions in much of the western two-thirds of the United States and Canada and in large parts of central Asia. The hot, dry summer of 1980 may be typical of the United States in the next century if the model results are correct. However, the model shows that many other places, especially coastal areas, are wetter with doubled CO₂. |
Response to OKIsItJustMe (Reply #11)
Wed Sep 13, 2023, 01:26 PM
Attilatheblond (533 posts)
52. Warmer air holds more moisture, so more big rain events in places with humidity.
Throw in the human tendency to ignore maintaining infrastructure like dams and .... surf's up in some inland areas.
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Response to Attilatheblond (Reply #52)
Wed Sep 13, 2023, 01:30 PM
OKIsItJustMe (19,355 posts)
54. And warmer air holds more moisture, so it can carry more over hot dry areas without dropping it
The wet get wetter, and the dry get drier.
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Response to OKIsItJustMe (Reply #54)
Wed Sep 13, 2023, 01:36 PM
Attilatheblond (533 posts)
55. Yep. Am in AZ and this year's monsoon was a non-soon
Hoping El Nino brings rain to the southwest this winter, but the old weather patters and models are not working so much these days.
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Response to lapfog_1 (Reply #2)
Tue Sep 12, 2023, 08:48 PM
Ford_Prefect (7,429 posts)
17. Since the early 70's at least.
Response to Ford_Prefect (Reply #17)
Tue Sep 12, 2023, 08:55 PM
lapfog_1 (28,216 posts)
19. I worked with all of the climate scientists in the 1990s
all of them. I stored ALL of the collected climate data for a decade.
I knew the models predicted this before I got to NASA. I just didn't know how long before... so I made the safe conservative "prediction". |
Response to lapfog_1 (Reply #19)
Tue Sep 12, 2023, 09:02 PM
OKIsItJustMe (19,355 posts)
22. It goes back even further than that
The thing to understand about Hansen is that he started out looking at Venus, and then, one day, a lightbulb lit, and he said, “This could happen on Earth!” and his career took a rather radical turn.
Did you work with James Lovelock? |
Response to OKIsItJustMe (Reply #22)
Tue Sep 12, 2023, 09:16 PM
lapfog_1 (28,216 posts)
24. Don't remember Lovelock
Hansen... Jose Zero ( can't forget that name ), lots of others. I'm really bad with names.
I was the "rescue" architect of a NASA program called EOSDIS (Earth Observation System - Distributed Information System - NASA loves acronyms... well all the federal government loves acronyms). When I say rescue architect... the original Contractor (who I won't name) was waaay behind and over budget... to the point where the Director's office became involved... at the urging of the Vice President... some guy named Al Gore. I sat on the technical review committee... and proposed that we use a system that I had already designed and which my local team implemented... and the Goddard guys and the White Sands guys just redirected the data stream to my facility... and we stored PBs of Earth Science data ( back when a PB was actually a big deal ). |
Response to lapfog_1 (Reply #24)
Tue Sep 12, 2023, 09:20 PM
OKIsItJustMe (19,355 posts)
27. Ah! Yes! I remember EOSDIS!
NASA itself is an acronym, so…
James Lovelock may be best known for formulating the “Gaia Hypothesis” in a response to a request for him to develop a simple test for life that could be carried to Mars on the Viking probes. He came up with his test, but realized it could be performed by remote sensing (i.e. no interplanetary probe required.) |
Response to OKIsItJustMe (Reply #27)
Tue Sep 12, 2023, 09:27 PM
lapfog_1 (28,216 posts)
30. well, I generated the first instance of it. I hope the user community found it useful.
The great thing about government acronyms... is that within the acronym there is often the first letter of another acronym.
ok, I remember that paper... didn't remember his name, no idea if I met him or not... probably not. |
Response to lapfog_1 (Reply #19)
Tue Sep 12, 2023, 09:16 PM
OKIsItJustMe (19,355 posts)
23. Wang et al. (1976): Greenhouse effects due to man-made perturbation of trace gases.
Wang et al. 1976
Wang, W.-C., Y.L. Yung, A.A. Lacis, T. Mo, and J.E. Hansen, 1976: Greenhouse effects due to man-made perturbation of trace gases. Science, 194, 685-690, doi:10.1126/science.194.4266.685. Summary
Nitrous oxide, methane, ammonia, and a number of other trace constituents in the earth's atmosphere have infrared absorption bands in the spectral region 7 to 14 p,m and contribute to the atmospheric greenhouse effect. The concentrations of these trace gases may undergo substantial changes because of man’s activities. Extensive use of chemical fertilizers and combustion of fossil fuels may perturb the nitrogen cycle, leading to increases in atmospheric N₂O, and the same perturbing processes may increase the amounts of atmospheric CH₄ and NH₃. We use a one-dimensional radiative-convective model for the atmospheric thermal structure to compute the change in the surface temperature of the earth for large assumed increases in the trace gas concentrations; doubling the N₂O. CH₄, and NH₃ concentrations is found to cause additive increases in the surface temperature of 0.7°, 0.3°, and 0.1°K. respectively. These systematic effects on the earth’s radiation budget would have substantial climatic significance. It is therefore important that the abundances of these trace gases be accurately monitored to determine the actual trends of their concentrations. |
Response to lapfog_1 (Reply #2)
Tue Sep 12, 2023, 09:23 PM
WhiteTara (28,790 posts)
28. Rachel Carson wrote Silent Spring in the 70's and
it's what spurred Earth Day.
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Response to WhiteTara (Reply #28)
Tue Sep 12, 2023, 09:34 PM
OKIsItJustMe (19,355 posts)
31. Well, that was part of the impetus for Earth Day (there were several.)
Silent Spring (1962) warns about the overuse of pesticides (like DDT.)
https://www.earthday.org/history/ |
Response to WhiteTara (Reply #28)
Tue Sep 12, 2023, 09:51 PM
Ford_Prefect (7,429 posts)
32. Silent Spring is an environmental science book by Rachel Carson. Published on September 27, 1962.
Response to lapfog_1 (Reply #2)
Wed Sep 13, 2023, 10:06 AM
BlueIn_W_Pa (842 posts)
44. The only reason we have 8 billion people
is because of cheap, high energy density from oil. No oil and the "extra 6 billion" are going to have a hard time - and we have to cut oil consumption.
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Response to BlueIn_W_Pa (Reply #44)
Wed Sep 13, 2023, 10:18 AM
lapfog_1 (28,216 posts)
46. yup...
we basically eat oil.
We use it to plant, weed, and harvest the crops. We use it as fertilizer for those crops. It then transports the crop to food processors, and then to market, etc. Possibly the largest single input to what we eat is oil. And it gets even worse for most meat products that we eat. I remember reading all about the Hubbert Peak Oil papers back almost 20 years ago now. He wasn't wrong... but failed to take into account technology... in this case Fracking. Fracking has allowed us to get much more of the oil locked in small pockets of rock deep underground, making old "depleted" oil wells producers again. But Hubbert wasn't wrong, we will... eventually... run out of oil to extract. Not to mention that we must stop burning oil or these now seemingly constant weather disaster will only get worse. |
Response to OKIsItJustMe (Original post)
Tue Sep 12, 2023, 07:26 PM
Think. Again. (2,753 posts)
3. Ha!....
"Scientists say climate change is likely having an impact on rainfall and flooding, but understanding precisely what that relationship is can be tricky." Talk about downplaying climate change! |
Response to Think. Again. (Reply #3)
Wed Sep 13, 2023, 01:21 PM
Elessar Zappa (12,002 posts)
51. How?
The statement is true. The relationship is very complex.
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Response to Elessar Zappa (Reply #51)
Wed Sep 13, 2023, 01:49 PM
Think. Again. (2,753 posts)
56. The statement minimizes so much in so few words...
"...Scientists say climate change is likely having an impact on rainfall and flooding ..."
LIKELY?? The vast majority of scientists say climate change is most definitely having an impact on rainfall and flooding. "...but understanding precisely what that relationship is can be tricky." TRICKY?? Earth's ecological systems are almost infinitely complex, tricky is certainly not a correctly descriptive word to use for the difficulties involved in tracing the multitude of interdependent relationships, reactions and influences taking place. |
Response to OKIsItJustMe (Original post)
Tue Sep 12, 2023, 07:44 PM
republianmushroom (10,130 posts)
4. Mother nature is PO'ed.
Response to OKIsItJustMe (Original post)
Tue Sep 12, 2023, 07:47 PM
COL Mustard (5,257 posts)
5. All I'll say is that if...
I see some guy building a boat, I'm getting out of town!
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Response to OKIsItJustMe (Original post)
Tue Sep 12, 2023, 07:48 PM
Rural_Progressive (1,099 posts)
6. Welcome to the new normal
"Seeing this many unrelated extreme weather events around the world in such a short period of time is unusual"
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Response to OKIsItJustMe (Original post)
Tue Sep 12, 2023, 07:58 PM
bucolic_frolic (39,291 posts)
7. Warmer air holds more moisture
More rain. Silly headline.
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Response to OKIsItJustMe (Original post)
Tue Sep 12, 2023, 07:59 PM
PoindexterOglethorpe (24,964 posts)
8. Read The Heat Will Kill You First (Life and death on a scorched planet)
by Jeff Goodell.
It's even worse than you know. He also wrote The Water Will Come, which is about rising sea levels. What he's learned since that book, which came out in 2017, is scary, to say the least. |
Response to PoindexterOglethorpe (Reply #8)
Tue Sep 12, 2023, 08:43 PM
Delphinus (11,232 posts)
15. Both
are important reads.
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Response to Delphinus (Reply #15)
Tue Sep 12, 2023, 10:25 PM
PoindexterOglethorpe (24,964 posts)
37. Yes, absolutely.
Also, The Fourth Turning is Here by Neil Howe. It basically says that we are in a crisis mode, a fourth turning as he describes it. It's difficult to describe the thesis in less than several hundred words, but basically our culture/society has been through a number of turnings starting at the end of the 15th century England. We are now in the most recent Fourth Turning, during which EVERYTHING changes.
Think about what's going on now. Climate change. Diseases, like Covid. Social changes like helping poor people. Or not helping them. Lots and lots of such things. What Howe essentially says is, "Brace yourself. Things are going to become VERY different very soon." I now have a context for a lot of what is happening these days. |
Response to PoindexterOglethorpe (Reply #37)
Tue Sep 12, 2023, 10:37 PM
Delphinus (11,232 posts)
39. Oh my ...
I will add that book to my list of things to read. I tell you, there are days I am glad I am old (and I've not even read the book yet!).
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Response to OKIsItJustMe (Original post)
Tue Sep 12, 2023, 08:01 PM
royable (1,234 posts)
9. It could also have something to do with greater human population on the planet,
crowded into places that are more easily habitable, such as river valleys and flood plains.
Could also have to do with increasing fraction of the population living in terrible poverty. If there's torrential rainfall in a place no one lives, or lives downstream from, we don't care so much. |
Response to royable (Reply #9)
Tue Sep 12, 2023, 08:36 PM
OKIsItJustMe (19,355 posts)
13. We've always settled by bodies of water
Rivers, streams, lakes, ponds, oceans…
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Response to royable (Reply #9)
Tue Sep 12, 2023, 10:28 PM
PoindexterOglethorpe (24,964 posts)
38. Clearly there are a whole lot more humans on this planet
than the planet can actually sustain.
I'm guessing that this planet can maintain no more than one billion people, and we crossed that threshold a long time ago. Without a serious reduction in population, there's no hope. |
Response to OKIsItJustMe (Original post)
Tue Sep 12, 2023, 08:21 PM
Evolve Dammit (15,544 posts)
10. The Pentagon (US Pentagon) declared "global warming"/ re-branded"climate change" to be the biggest
threat to the USA over 10 years ago. It's not improving with age. They were right (and incredibly) largely ignored.
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Response to Evolve Dammit (Reply #10)
Tue Sep 12, 2023, 08:42 PM
OKIsItJustMe (19,355 posts)
14. Would you believe twenty?
The Observer: Now the Pentagon tells Bush: climate change will destroy us
Sat 21 Feb 2004 20.33 EST Climate change over the next 20 years could result in a global catastrophe costing millions of lives in wars and natural disasters.. A secret report, suppressed by US defence chiefs and obtained by The Observer, warns that major European cities will be sunk beneath rising seas as Britain is plunged into a ‘Siberian’ climate by 2020. Nuclear conflict, mega-droughts, famine and widespread rioting will erupt across the world. … |
Response to OKIsItJustMe (Reply #14)
Tue Sep 12, 2023, 08:48 PM
Evolve Dammit (15,544 posts)
18. Damn the time flies. Thank you for that. We are in a global crisis. Will we get our collective
S--- together?? I am not optimistic "we" will (meaning the "industrialized nations".)
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Response to Evolve Dammit (Reply #18)
Tue Sep 12, 2023, 08:58 PM
OKIsItJustMe (19,355 posts)
20. I'm aftraid the answer is "No."
The US can’t even get it together as a country!
If, by some miracle, we do get it together, and I hope that we do… I’m afraid we may be a little bit late for the wake (if you know what I mean…) |
Response to OKIsItJustMe (Reply #20)
Wed Sep 13, 2023, 01:04 PM
Evolve Dammit (15,544 posts)
47. It seems a tipping point has been crossed already. "Unprecedented" events almost daily
Response to Evolve Dammit (Reply #47)
Wed Sep 13, 2023, 01:26 PM
OKIsItJustMe (19,355 posts)
53. My point exactly
I’m afraid multiple tipping points may have been crossed, naturally, like dominoes, one may have quickly led to another etc.
They are not independent. ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Response to OKIsItJustMe (Reply #53)
Wed Sep 13, 2023, 07:50 PM
Evolve Dammit (15,544 posts)
61. great info. Thanks
Response to OKIsItJustMe (Original post)
Tue Sep 12, 2023, 08:35 PM
Blues Heron (5,660 posts)
12. higher temps - more evaporation, also more capacity to hold onto the water
and transport it. All that extra heat is doing a lot of heavy lifting.
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Response to Blues Heron (Reply #12)
Tue Sep 12, 2023, 08:44 PM
OKIsItJustMe (19,355 posts)
16. And when it decides to let go of it, there's a lot more to drop
In addition, that water vapor has mass. The air is heavier, has more momentum, more energy to dissipate…
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Response to OKIsItJustMe (Original post)
Tue Sep 12, 2023, 09:01 PM
hatrack (58,492 posts)
21. Physics
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Response to hatrack (Reply #21)
Tue Sep 12, 2023, 09:18 PM
OKIsItJustMe (19,355 posts)
26. There you go, blaming physics again!
What did physics ever do to you‽
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Response to OKIsItJustMe (Reply #26)
Tue Sep 12, 2023, 09:23 PM
lapfog_1 (28,216 posts)
29. Damn those pesky laws of physics...
hey, I know, we will just pass NEW laws... yeah, that's the ticket!
![]() I remember I story I heard of in college where some town in Missouri (maybe) decided the the value of Pi should be exactly 3.141 so they passed a law that made it so. Possibly in the Journal of Irreproducible Results? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Journal_of_Irreproducible_Results#:~:text=The%20Journal%20of%20Irreproducible%20Results,magazine%20about%20science%2C%20for%20scientists. |
Response to lapfog_1 (Reply #29)
Tue Sep 12, 2023, 11:46 PM
OKIsItJustMe (19,355 posts)
41. For most practical purposes, 3.14 is sufficient
22/7 or √10 will get you more than close enough for the back of an envelope.
Maybe they got tired of engineers doing a calculation like 5 × 3.14159265 (“You realize that you’ve only got one “significant digit” in that calculation. Right?”) I say if they want to use 3.141, let ’em. |
Response to OKIsItJustMe (Reply #26)
Wed Sep 13, 2023, 07:55 AM
hatrack (58,492 posts)
42. It's been holding me down my WHOLE LIFE!!!!
I HATE that!!
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Response to OKIsItJustMe (Original post)
Tue Sep 12, 2023, 09:17 PM
Marthe48 (14,660 posts)
25. Going out with a gurgle or a bang
Just a toss-up if putin will launch before the water rises to drown us.
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Response to Marthe48 (Reply #25)
Wed Sep 13, 2023, 01:06 PM
Evolve Dammit (15,544 posts)
49. or a nuke from a RNK sub???
Response to Evolve Dammit (Reply #49)
Wed Sep 13, 2023, 01:09 PM
Marthe48 (14,660 posts)
50. That too
I'd prefer Mother Nature be the cause. Nuke or Nature won't be pretty, but at least natural causes won't pollute Earth for eons and eons.
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Response to Marthe48 (Reply #50)
Wed Sep 13, 2023, 08:04 PM
Evolve Dammit (15,544 posts)
63. Agreed. It's just incredibly sad that we don't have the international will to stop it. Either way.
Response to Evolve Dammit (Reply #49)
Wed Sep 13, 2023, 03:12 PM
Voltaire2 (11,042 posts)
58. It's DPRK and they don't have enough nukes to do it.
That property belongs only to Russia and the USA. Both nations retain catastrophic level nuclear arsenals.
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Response to Voltaire2 (Reply #58)
Wed Sep 13, 2023, 08:02 PM
Evolve Dammit (15,544 posts)
62. It doesn't take many to create massive casualties and complete havoc, with WW implications.
Response to OKIsItJustMe (Original post)
Tue Sep 12, 2023, 09:59 PM
Ford_Prefect (7,429 posts)
33. Mid-nineteenth century scientific experiments predicted the effects of increased Co2...
https://daily.jstor.org/how-19th-century-scientists-predicted-global-warming/
But the road to understanding climate change stretches back to the tweed-clad middle years of the 19th century—when Victorian-era scientists conducted the first experiments proving that runaway CO2 could, one day, cook the planet. Eunice Newton Foote identified and predicted how the atmosphere would change as CO2 increased. John Tyndall intrigued by the question of what caused the ice ages did a series of experiments to identify the likely atmospheric culprits. |
Response to OKIsItJustMe (Original post)
Tue Sep 12, 2023, 10:06 PM
progressoid (48,696 posts)
34. Nope. I heard Mark Levin say it's a hoax.
Who are you going to believe, scientists or a second rate AM radio host?
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Response to progressoid (Reply #34)
Tue Sep 12, 2023, 10:17 PM
SCantiGOP (13,567 posts)
35. Well, there's your answer
The abnormal weather is all being caused by the Climate Hoax.
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Response to progressoid (Reply #34)
Wed Sep 13, 2023, 04:17 PM
IcyPeas (20,814 posts)
60. According to the internet he has 2 homes....
One in Jupiter, Florida, so if that one becomes submerged... no problem... he can move to his other house. See, this is why we should all own multiple houses.
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Response to OKIsItJustMe (Original post)
Tue Sep 12, 2023, 10:19 PM
WestMichRad (982 posts)
36. Flooding in Japan
I was thinking it had just happened, but it was in July. They also had bad floods in ‘21 and ‘22. Yikes!
Not to make light of all the catastrophic flooding, but Portugal had a different sort of flooding: storage tank rupture caused streets in a Portugal town to be flooded with red wine: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/sep/13/levira-portugal-wine-flood-how-damage-litres-destilaria |
Response to WestMichRad (Reply #36)
Tue Sep 12, 2023, 11:36 PM
OKIsItJustMe (19,355 posts)
40. Close to 20 years ago we had a flood
A “climate skeptic” co-worker asked me after that if I was really serious about that “Climate Change” business, and if I thought we would see another flood like that one. He was looking to buy a nice cabin by the river, and the owners told him that it had flooded, but it was a “500 year flood” and it had never flooded before.
I said, “Well, yeah, that was a ‘500 year flood,’ but I read in the paper that the year before that, we had a ‘250 year flood’ and the year before that we had a ‘100 year flood.’ Do you know what the odds against a string like that happening at random are?” He said, “it’s been a while…” I said, “Invert and multiply.” He thought a moment, whistled appreciatively, and said, “That’s a pretty big number!” I said, “Yeah… something’s changing…” He retired, and bought the cabin anyway. A few years later, I heard from another co-worker that it had flooded in the most recent flood… “Isn’t that terrible‽” he asked, and I agreed, “Sure is!” |
Response to OKIsItJustMe (Original post)
Wed Sep 13, 2023, 09:59 AM
Magoo48 (4,275 posts)
43. Climate Catastrophe, politicians can't and won't respond adequately. 4 billion Gretas might work.
Generally, the first world will not be inconvenienced.
Now is the time to begin teaching adaptive engineering and speculative survival concepts in all schools and universities K-thru…..Make these courses of study free at every institution of higher learning from now on. |
Response to Magoo48 (Reply #43)
Wed Sep 13, 2023, 10:11 AM
BlueIn_W_Pa (842 posts)
45. Totally agree with you
Response to OKIsItJustMe (Original post)
Wed Sep 13, 2023, 03:10 PM
Voltaire2 (11,042 posts)
57. Abnormal is now normal.
We have entered the find out stage of the climate catastrophe. It just gets worse until we either get serious about a sustainable global economy, or die off in such vast numbers that we stop making it worse that way.
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